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post #51 of 87
TAMUG is composed primarily of marine biology majors, so I wouldn't be excited if the entire campus makes a mass field trip to Houston opening weekend. Those fuckin marbies love their geekiness, I'll give them that.
post #52 of 87
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Originally Posted by alfalfa
new footage on yahoo movies:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/featu...evezissou.html

good stuff. i especially like the dafoe bits.

"FOR REVENGE" -- lol

So many quotable lines in just that, i can only imagine what the whole movie's going to be right.

I gotta say, I would have never imagined another film w/ Murray and Owen Wilson in, but judging from the trailers, they look like they still make a pretty good team .
post #53 of 87
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Originally Posted by lisa_simpson
I gotta say, I woudl have NEVER imagined Bill Murray and Owen Wilson in the same film before, but judging from the trailers, they look like they make a pretty good team .

I must say it's not too hard, seeing as how they were both in The Royal Tenenbaums.
post #54 of 87
You are very right....sorry about that. I must have been having an off day. *hits self over head repeatedly*

In either case, are we getting anymore of those webisode thingies?? I'd like to see SOMETHING to hold me over until this movie is released.
post #55 of 87
I have just answered my own question -- they are available here
post #56 of 87
I love this shot in the webisodes:
post #57 of 87
Nick's declared The Aviator the heir-apparent Best Film. First, I must say any film in December has some big jock straps to fill... right now my number 1 position is still tied between the killer duo Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Kill Bill: This Time, With Bill. Of the movies I have left to see this year, I preceive only three films which may be capable of pulling off the late coup:

The Aviator
Napoleon Dynamite (yeah, haven't seen it yet. We had hurricanes and stuff during the theatrical run)

and, the most promising,

The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou

Everything I've seen of the film, and everything I read on this thread (besides the lone dissenting voice- sorry Colt) gives me that funny Oscar feeling. Maybe not Best Picture... but I'm crossing my fingers and toes for a Best Actor statue.
post #58 of 87
Variety stepped on Aquatic's throat today.
post #59 of 87
I'm praying this movie is good. I'm getting kinda nervous.
post #60 of 87
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Originally Posted by woodsy
I'm praying this movie is good. I'm getting kinda nervous.
What? Over a bad Variety review? I have too much good faith in Anderson to let any bad press get me down.
post #61 of 87
There have been other mixed advanced reviews. But I'm like Werbal - got a lot of faith in the Anderson brain.
post #62 of 87
Saw this tonight. First of all, big ups to Devin and CHUD for providing such an awesome opportunity.

As for the film itself...well, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. One one hand, it's a more mature work than Rushmore or the Royal Tenebaums while continuing to explore Anderson's themes of fatherhood and family, but on the other it feels more flawed. The technical aspects and set design are phenomenal, particularly in the scenes where we follow the crew of the Belafonte through the ship. EDIT: Yet, it's almost as if Anderson fills the film with the familar stylistic hallmarks his fans know and love even though Anderson the filmmaker outgrows them. Upon reflection, this feels like the film of a child who knows he's grown, but isn't ready to stop playing just yet.

The replacement of Wilson is felt in some of the dialogue and pacing. There are plot threads dropped and not followed up on. Elements of Zissou's character leave the audience wondering "okay, but why?" Anderson feels the need to spend twenty or so minutes after the dramatic climax of the film making sure everyone gets a sort of "happy" ending (Although, upon reflection, it's not quite as happy as I initially thought). This climax, while appropriate, is probally my biggest problem with the film--not only is it unexpected, it's shocking for the sake of being shocking, especially when a similar moment fifteen minutes prior is both AND feels earned.

And, to be honest, despite an amazing lead performance, the character of Steve Zissou didn't feel strong enough to sustain an entire film. (We should start getting ready for an Academy "snub" now). Then again, when Willam Dafoe and Jeff Goldblum take every opportunity to steal the scene out from under Zissou, they do. Dafoe's Klaus is the highlight of the film, and a testament to the wide range of the gifted actor.

That's not to say that the film is bad, it's actually quite great and leaves me wanting more from Anderson and Murray. The performances are all wonderful, from Noah Taylor to Michael Gambon to the tremendously underrated Bud Cort. Cate Blanchett is sweet and sexy, and Owen Wilson shows Jude Law how to give a convincing dramatic performance with a Southern accent. The only performance that doesn't feel right is Angelica Huston. Maybe that's because her character feels too close to her Tenbaums one, but even she gets a wonderful scene or two. There are sequences of pure brilliance (Three words: "Search and Destroy"). It has those classic Anderson-style lines which film geeks are sure to quote for years to come. It finds moments that make your breath catch, like Paltrow getting off the bus in Tenenbaums or Murray meeting Schwartzman's father in Rushmore. Mark Mothersbaugh delivers a fresh score and Anderson continues to wow me with his music choices, going from Sigur Ros' "Staralfur" to David Bowie songs sung in Portugese. (In regards to the latter, if there's not an album of that performer's music yet, there damn well should be.)

I'm still not quite sure what to think of it yet, though, and it's definitly a film that grows on you. In any other year (which, let's face it, we've been saying an awful lot), this would be the highlight. As it is, it's in my top five. If I were giving it a rating, I'd say 7.5.

Definitly worth your money.
post #63 of 87
For anyone who's seen it... a long post coming...

Okay, let me get a few things straight right here, right now: the following will be a lengthy analysis of THE LIFE AQUATIC WITH STEVE ZISSOU. If you want to know how the movie is, I'll just say this: it's good. Real good. Lots of fun, very colorful and funny, and unquestionably one of the year's best. It's also the weakest of Wes Anderson's efforts, but without being an Anderson apologist, Anderson is still at his creative career peak, and only time will turn THE LIFE AQUATIC from a "good movie" into a "good Anderson movie."

I will now go into the story and spoil a large number of plot points.

I'm of the train of thought that the fourth film in a director's filmography is his most important, particularly in this modern age of film where filmmaking is diversified between studio offerings, indie pictures, big, middle and small budget pictures. I believe that most directors today think creatively within a three-act arc, and that after their first couple of films, they are outside their sphere of familiarity and are forced to seek inspiration not as a struggling filmmaker but as a successful journeyman/artist.

Sometimes a filmmaker can follow up early career excursions with a fourth film that allows them to finally find their distinctive voice (Jeunet, AMELIE, Lynch, BLUE VELVET). Other times, they simply grow up (Jackson, HEAVENLY CREATURES, Amenebar, MAR ADENTRO). Sometimes, after their three films they indulge themselves into something they wanted to do all along (Tarantino, KILL BILL). At times a filmmaker will eschew their success in favor of something viewed as a mid-career experiment (O'Russell, I HEART HUCKABEE'S). Occasionally, however, it's the film in which an artist exhibits their limitations as an artist (Lucas, THE PHANTOM MENACE) or just completely sells out (Singer, X-MEN).

So, yes, the fourth film is ALWAYS worth watching.

Wes Anderson has entered rarified air. Disney, that elephant of distribution, has granted him somewhere in excesses of $50 million in budget and advertising for this latest picture. Wes Anderson is a quirky auteur with limited appeal, a one of a kind working today, and surely he must be all alone in a studio system populated by Tim Story's and Wolfgang Petersen's. What other auteur working today with Anderson's fan base is getting this type of major studio support? It puts a lot at stake for Anderson, who nevertheless watched the esoteric family fantasy THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS gross $52 million domestically. Disney, however, essentially gave the quirky indie darling Wes Anderson $50 million to make an autobiography.

This thesis is highly faulty, so it's got holes. Maybe you can fill them.

Anderson is Steve Zissou. Zissou is an ambitious oceanographer who questions his fanbase at every turn, and he has watched his own career shrink in relevance, a fear of the young Anderson as he moves later through life. In scenes that bookend the film, at the theater, it is massive and ornate, although it doesn't appear that anyone is there. Perhaps this is the holy temple that worships Anderson and the lack of an audience represents his actual appeal, conquered by the critical hype.

The spitballing begins here, folks.



Zissou is struggling through an indifferent relationship with his wife Eleanor (Anjelica Huston). Eleanor is also the primary investor in many of Zissou's adventures, suggesting a relationship that plays like nightmare meetings between Anderson and execs. When Zissou returns home, she goes out of her way to coldly tell him his cat has been bitten in the neck by a snake. Naturally, the downtrodden Zissou is taken aback and requests such information be brought to him in a more compassionate manner, and in Hollywood, what's colder truth than failure?

Eleanor is constantly wooed by Alistair Hennessey (Jeff Goldblum) an oily, dishonest oceanographer who roomed with Anderson in college. Hennessey is the more glamourous counterpart with the shinier toys and the bigger, gorgeous, Aryan crew. Is it not a stretch to assume Hennessey is an amalgamation of Anderson's peers? Could we not figure that Hennessey is a hired gun from a studio, geared towards churning out forgettable crap?

Oseary Drakoulias (Michael Gambon) ends up being in charge of distributing Zissou's latest picture, although we later learn that he isn't for real, and Zissou pays a price for it, suggesting the unreliability of distribution wings. Zissou's late film groveling back towards Eleanor is not unlike Anderson's requests for extra financing. It's only when Ned (Owen Wilson) shows up with much enthusiasm and an offering of cash that Zissou's creative spirit is awakened.

And that brings us to Ned. Ned comes to Zissou with the possibility that he is his son. Without much evidence to go on (Ned's mother has passed on), Zissou adopts the 30 year old and assimilates him onto the ship, much to the chagrin of first mate Klaus (Willem Dafoe).

In my kooky thesis, Ned is meant to personify an overeager fan that latches onto Zissou during this latest voyage. Being that Zissou is going on something that he describes as his "most ambitious journey" (like Anderson), he knows that he's going to need all the fans that he can get, even though Ned has only minor knowledge of shiplife (not unlike a mainstream fan going into an Anderson film for the first time, which is bound to happen many times this winter).

Being that Ned is the eager fan desperate to know more about Zissou, for whom he has an irrational respect towards, suggests the blanket support Anderson has probably received over the years from those who aren't aware of their own priorities, as Ned submits an astounding amount of money and time to this voyage, blindly following Zissou wherever he goes, abandoning his previous life.

When Ned blindly follows Zissou even when his plans become more unorthodox and unhinged, he pays for it, and Zissou's risky actions lose him a fan not unlike the way something drastically different in Anderson's filmography would lose him fans, and Ned's death represents the overreaching worship that claims the life of the fan. Not sure where Jane fits in this, btw, wanna give me a hand?

Ned could also be an example of meta casting. This is the first film that Wes Anderson has written without Wilson, his former writing partner. Instead, the credit has gone to Noah Baumbauch, who could be represented as being new to the Anderson world, i.e. Ned. The casting of Wilson as Ned suggests there are no hard feelings, but Klaus could easily be a stand-in for a miffed Wilson when told that Anderson would be working with Baumbach instead, particularly because Baumbach has more of a fanciful, childlike mentality.

In the early scenes, Zissou is bombarded with accusations that his films seem fake, artificial, and people laughed when he states that at a pivotal on-film moment, he "dropped the camera." He does not understand the laughter this elicts, just how he probably doesn't see how the dysfunction in his films can possibly be seen as actual comedy. One autograph seeker pursues Zissou doggedly, only to get Zissou to sign what seems like countless pages, signifying Anderson's desire to resist placating the masses with the same stuff every time.
post #64 of 87
con't


His own ship is itself a massive metaphor. The viewer gets to see every room of this memorably quirky ship, a literal and figurative house of ideas. It's an easy metaphor to suggests that Anderson sails out on the mainstream sea with his quirky boat fueled by imagination each film that he makes, and he can never hope to explore areas he'd always dreamed of. Pele (Seu Jorge) is the ultimate expression of this, constantly playing Portugeuse covers of David Bowie songs, suggesting that Anderson knows that the masses could appreciate his material, but they more often than not approach it like it was in another language.

And that brings me to... the pirates. And because I have no idea of another meaning, this is a GIANT stab in the dark.

The pirates are literally PIRATES. Movie pirates. While Zissou steals from his more famous competitor Hennessey, like Anderson would borrow from a big budget film, the pirates are recklessly and violently swiping goods from Anderson. When Anderson heads out to rescue the goods, he also finds Hennessey, who has seen himself kidnapped by these vicious movie pirates. Anderson shows that movie pirating is sloppy and can hurt him, but injure his competitors worse, and so he rescues him, in a remarkable show of faith from one filmmaker to another. When many pirates are shot and blown up, Zissou is able to recover his safe, but the damage has been done, as there is a hole in the safe's back. It signifies the nasty reprecussions movie pirating has for both the filmmakers and the pirates. Not sure what the dog represents, maybe you wanna fill that one in?

So that brings me to the critical analysis... why did Anderson make this movie? It can be intertwined with the question of, why did Zissou go on this trek? Zissou is on the hunt for the tiger shark, which he intends to kill. However, the avenging of Esteban is never fleshed out, as we never get an idea of who Esteban really is and what their relationship is. Zissou's bloodlust often becomes a secondary, forgotten element in the story, which suggests that Anderson himself doesn't know what type of movie he is making. Why would you make a film like THE LIFE AQUATIC? What Esteban stands for is unclear. However once Zissou spots the tiger shark at the bottom of the ocean, and Sigur Ros sings in their alien, unknown voices, Anderson/Zissou has gone beneath the depths of the ocean, to a place where filmmakers do not venture often. What Anderson finds there is the elusive tiger shark, but what does it stand for? And his decision to back away from killing it, what does that mean? Methinks the whole situation is frustrated lack of direction for Anderson, making small pictures for big money with a massive studio, not sure what his audience should be.

This is a subpar anaylsis, very college-y and incoherent, and FILLED with holes. But I hope you enjoyed it and knew what the hell I was talking about.
post #65 of 87
I guess you didn't see the part in the title where it says "no spoilers."
post #66 of 87
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Originally Posted by Rath/Brendan
I guess you didn't see the part in the title where it says "no spoilers."


Hey, I said there would be spoilers there. if you don't want 'em, you know what not to read.
post #67 of 87
I've seen the movie. I'm just saying that this is a spoiler-free thread, as the film doesn't open wide for another two weeks.
post #68 of 87
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
Hey, I said there would be spoilers there. if you don't want 'em, you know what not to read.
Do you also walk into the ladies room and say, "I'm whipping it out, ladies! If you don't want to see any penis, don't look!"
post #69 of 87
Is it me, or does it seem irresponsible to post spoilers in a thread titled:

THE LIFE AQUATIC discussion (No Spoilers)?

Most people would create a new thread, I dunno, something like:

THE LIFE AQUATIC discussion (SPOILERS)

Otherwise anarchy ensues. And I don't think anybody wants that anymore than they want to see BobClark's penis.
post #70 of 87
I'm glad you guys enjoy whining over this.

Does anyone who's seen it wanna answer what I had to say?
post #71 of 87
Your thesis is flawed and completly full of holes, not to mention that it makes not much sense. You take an unnecessary dig at George Lucas and Bryan Singer in a "review" for a fucking Wes Anderson movie. This comes off like a film student treatise, true, but a treatise of someone who wants to prove he knows oh-so-much about what he's talking about.

That's why we're whining about spoiling the movie in a FUCKING NON-SPOILER thread. Because you have nothing interesting to say.
post #72 of 87
On a lighter note, check out this cool hat I got:

post #73 of 87
Heh. Jealous much?
post #74 of 87
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Originally Posted by Whitey Powers, Jive Homicide Det.
I'm going to fight you Daryl.
*PUNCH*
post #75 of 87
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Daryl Zero
On a lighter note, check out this cool hat I got:

I'll be giving a few of those away at the Holiday dinner.

Saw the movie this morning. Planning to get a review up tomorrow.
post #76 of 87
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I'll be giving a few of those away at the Holiday dinner.

Saw the movie this morning. Planning to get a review up tomorrow.
Looking forward to it (the review). Grab them hats, guys, they're great!
post #77 of 87
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Originally Posted by Rath/Brendan
That's not to say that the film is bad, it's actually quite great and leaves me wanting more from Anderson and Murray. The performances are all wonderful, from Noah Taylor to Michael Gambon to the tremendously underrated Bud Cort. Cate Blanchett is sweet and sexy, and Owen Wilson shows Jude Law how to give a convincing dramatic performance with a Southern accent. The only performance that doesn't feel right is Angelica Huston. Maybe that's because her character feels too close to her Tenbaums one, but even she gets a wonderful scene or two. There are sequences of pure brilliance (Three words: "Search and Destroy"). It has those classic Anderson-style lines which film geeks are sure to quote for years to come. It finds moments that make your breath catch, like Paltrow getting off the bus in Tenenbaums or Murray meeting Schwartzman's father in Rushmore. Mark Mothersbaugh delivers a fresh score and Anderson continues to wow me with his music choices, going from Sigur Ros' "Staralfur" to David Bowie songs sung in Portugese. (In regards to the latter, if there's not an album of that performer's music yet, there damn well should be.)
This gave me a boner. Thanks, Rath.
post #78 of 87
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Originally Posted by Rath/Brendan
Your thesis is flawed and completly full of holes, not to mention that it makes not much sense. You take an unnecessary dig at George Lucas and Bryan Singer in a "review" for a fucking Wes Anderson movie. This comes off like a film student treatise, true, but a treatise of someone who wants to prove he knows oh-so-much about what he's talking about.

That's why we're whining about spoiling the movie in a FUCKING NON-SPOILER thread. Because you have nothing interesting to say.

I explicitly stated that it WASN'T a review, but thanks for reading.

Also, I say that I may not know what I'm talking about, but I only hope that someone can see where I'm coming from, and if not, provide an interesting rebuttal. What you did was rudely thumb your nose at what I wrote and didn't attempt to agree or disagree.

I think you've mistakenly identified the pompous one in this thread.
post #79 of 87
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Originally Posted by Rath/Brendan
I've seen the movie. I'm just saying that this is a spoiler-free thread, as the film doesn't open wide for another two weeks.
and it is not out here in the UK till february!
post #80 of 87
fabfunk, you were wrong to post spoilers in a non-spoiler thread. It's as simple as that. Own up to it like a man and let's all get on with the rest of our lives.
post #81 of 87
post #82 of 87
Great review, Devin. I think I may have liked it a little more than you did, but it's definitely my least favorite of his films so far. I hate to say that because it sounds more negative than I want to be. I love this one for what it is.

It's cool that your review starts off with a mention of the action scenes because that's what really stuck with me...I couldn't believe I'd just watched a Wes Anderson action scene.
post #83 of 87
I'm about where Dev is. It's like a great recipe filled with fresh and tasty ingredients that just never quite comes together as a whole. There's dramatic and comedic stuff to like all over the place, but as a film, it's a bit ramshackle, despite the uniformly great performances. I think the script just goes awry about 60 percent of the way through and never quite recovers. Still, if you like anything Anderson has done, you can't miss this.
post #84 of 87
Oh I say miss it and miss it often. I loved Anderson's first two flicks, but Royal Tennenbaum's didn't do much for me, and this did even less. I don't think it's fair to call the performances good all around because you have to at least exclude Wilson and his ridiculous attempt at an accent. Never mind that he never goes anywhere with the character--that we never get involved with his story like we do the main characters from Anderson's other movies--there's just not really much character work to be found. These are all charicatures, some of them work, some of them are tired and flat. There are a lot of odd moments and some funny jokes and the animations are neat, but overall it just didn't mean anything at all.
post #85 of 87
I disagree about the lack of real characters. Both Steve and Eleanor Zissou felt like real people to me. Zissou was just a plain jerk, way beyond Murray's usual snarkiness. Eleanor was a wonderful restrained presence that added a lot of heart to the film. And Wilson's Ned was one of the more refreshing turns I've seen from him. The accent was spotty, but the acting wasn't. Very nuanced. Cate Blanchett was radiant if somewhat secondary to the story. Even Jeff Goldblum had his moment at the end with Zissou when he talked about what kind of husbands they both were.

Now, Willem Dafoe's German and a few of the lesser crewmembers...I'll grant you. Those people were redeemed by the awesome actors filling those skeletal characters out.
post #86 of 87
I loved it. Probably better than Rushmore, in my opinion, though not quite on par with Tenenbaums.
post #87 of 87
I thought it was phenomenal, but after a single viewing I'd be inclined to rank it behind Rushmore and Tenenbaums, respectively. I definitely need to see it again.

It's possibly my favorite Bill Murray performance ever, though. The only thing I can think of that I enjoyed as much or more is his Herman Blume. Zissou is a prick, but he's amiable and relatable. Despite the gruff exterior, I felt for the guy and was right there with him emotionally. Through and through a Wes Anderson picture, the movie is brimming with the quirky comedy, superb music cues, and flares of breathtaking dramatic intensity that fans of these movies have come to expect and love. The Jaguar Shark scene was beautiful and affecting, from the goofy-yet-startling majesty of the creature to the brilliant use of Sigur Ros and Murray's cathartic, yet subtle release of his bottled-up grief. The helicopter crash, the tour of the Belafonte, Murray taking his ship back from the pirates, anything involving Henry Selick's animated creatures, Knockout Ned's Portuguese Bowie...so many great, memorable scenes. It's a flawed, uneven and weird film, but the myriad high points are what makes it a winner.
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