REVENGE OF THE SITH discussion

For now, this belongs in Franchises. Thanks.

She definitely needs implants.

This is the one he really has to get right, im hoping (prehaps a fools hope) that the other two films will make more sense after this one but i wont hold my breath. Sadly ive just never bought the Anikin PAdmine Romace i think it was the whole "ive just killed an entire tribe including women and children" bit which was followed but Padmine's almsot nochlant there, there never mind attitude.

I want this to be great, i want it to be as good as the orginal three but somehow i feel its going to be a letdown - not a raped my childhood mind you, just a letdown.

"...which was followed but Padmine's almsot nochlant there, there never mind attitude."

What?

I'll take a stab at translating.

Anakin's announcement of the slaughter was followed by a nonchalant, "There, there" attitude from Padme.

As in, "There, there, it's ok. It doesn't matter if you ventilated an entire community of Tuskan villagers."

I'd like to sum up the Anakin/Padme love story by presenting the following dialogue (obviously I'm paraphrasing).

Anakin: I love you!

Padme: You're a Jedi, you aren't supposed to love.

Anakin: I love you!

Padme: It would never work, I have obligations to my people.

Anakin: I love you!

Padme: You've got obligations too, you can't ignore that.

Anakin: I love you!

Padme: Fine, fine. Let's get hitched.

How long have you been writing for George now?

LMAO (good stuff that!)

Don't forget the whole "I created C-3PO when I was a kid but that was so long ago that I forgot all about him by the time I saw him again on Bespin 30 years later" discrepancy.

I understand that the droids probably got their memories erased but did Anakin/Vader somehow suffer amnesia?

Yeah, but c'mon...across five movies we've already seen something like *five* 3PO units, including one on Cloud City itself. (TC-14 from TPM, that "silver Threepio" aboard the Tantive IV, the "E Chu Ta!" droid, at least one in Echo Base on Hoth, plus our favorite prissy gaydroid herself.)

They're the walking Apple Macintoshes of the GFFA.

Yeah but none as annoyingly grating as C-3PO. Surely Vader heard his former droid's annoying babbling during Han Solo's carbon-freezing sequence. As annoying as C-3PO is how could you ever forget that you created/assembled him? Either he had amnesia or Vader isn't too observant. Lucas should've have never created this silly contrievance when he thought up TPM.

Agreed, not only because it's stupid, but also because it voids my beloved "Droids" comics.

My feeling is this:

There's probably going to be some bad dialogue. And some of the acting won't be up to snuff. And there will probably be some silly stuff as well. It will probably suffer from most of the flaws that have already been apparent in the prequels so far (though to be fair, most of the flaws in those were already apparent in the original trilogy, it just isn't as fashionalbe to point them out).

But the plot itself (the birth of Vader, the seeds of the Rebellion, the start of the full-fledged Empire, complete with Stormtroopers, or Clonetroopers turning into Stormtroopers during the course of the film, and Star Destroyers, the confrontation between Obi-Wan and Anakin, Palpatine revealing his true self to Anakin, the other Jedi and the Galaxy) is infinitely more captivating then what we've seen so far in the prequels (Trade Wars, Seperatists, such and such guilds, battle droids, Neimodians et al - though I do believe those elements were necessary to get the plot to where it will be in Episode III and I'm sure we will see at least some of those aspects in ROTS as well) and more connected to the story we all know and love then what we've seen so far and more in line with what we've always envisioned these last two decades when we thought of the prequels.

So despite the fact that we will see some pretty lame stuff in Episode III (come on, we know there's going to be some bad dialogue and acting in Episode III), we are certain to see some real cool stuff as well. I know this could sound like famous last words, but I don't think even Lucas could fuck it up even if he tried, or at least fuck it up that badly.

Also, with regards to Vader and Threepio, while I don't believe Lucas had Threepios connection to Anakin in mind while writing Empire, I still can't imagine that even if he had, there would be a scene where Vader says "hey, that's my old droid that I put together when I was ten." Also, even though I don't believe Lucas had this in mind, but it could be interpreted that the reason why Vader doesn't want Fett to fire at Chewie because he still feels a personal connection (he just won't come flat out and say it) to Threepio and is afraid that Fett will kill him.

Who said he didn't remember 3P0?







10 page comic-scanned


Don't forget Vader blocked Fett from shooting at Chewie. And who was Chewie carrying....

To be clear, I'm not saying Lucas or Kershner intended this back in '79. It's just that there's nothing stopping you from imagining these things.




R2 makes it out of EP3 with his memory intact. That little bugger knows the whole story.

You beat me to it Mecha.

Trivia note:

There was a concept of Vader ripping 3P0's "heart" out on Bespin.


Makes you think.....

I wish that not only as far as Threepio's concerned, his experiences and and memories could be wiped out, but also our memories of his character in the prequels (at least during the Conveyor belt and Arena sequences) could be wiped as well

I don't understand what Vader would have done differently if he had recognized 3PO. When I happen to bump into someone annoying I was friends with as a kid, I usually try to minimize my contact with them. And I don't even need to maintain a badass-evil-space-overlord image. I just don't like awkward moments.

I always thought the Crispy Fried Aniken thread was the RotS discussion thread...

Well for starters, I don't think he would have let Leia and Chewie keep the droid if it could potentially reveal Vader's true identity. I also just happen to think that the SW universe is already too small for its own good. Everyone is tied together by being either related somehow or somebody's former master, etc. Making Anakin C-3PO's "maker" just seems a tad too contrieved for my tastes. However, I understand that Lucas relishes the tiny details of SW. He loves to try to tie everything together but not necessarily always for the best of reasons relating to the story.

BTW thanks for posting that graphic short Mecha. It gave me an insightful new take on something that has plagued me since the prequels first came out.

Remember, that Threepio, being Anakin's creation and R2, being owned by Padme (and "marrying" when R2 when Anakin and Padme marry, or at least that's what seems to be implied when 3PO puts his hand on R2 during the ceremony), it's entirely plausible that they would end up close to Anakin and Padme's daughter (who is in a way, their sister), stationed on her, or at least her stepfather's ship, the Tantive IV.

Therefore it's not entirely implausible that Leia would entrust them with delivering the plans to Kenobi, who only lives where he's living because he's in hiding, and needs to be watching over Luke, waiting for that special day. And it's not entirely implausible that while on route to finding Obi-Wan, they get sidetracked and end up with Luke instead which cause R2 to run away to find Kenobi, causing Luke to search for R2, thereby ending up meeting Kenobi (or being saved by him).

And since Owen mentions memory wipes himself, that sometime in the last 20 years, somebody at least wiped 3PO's memory. And since, when he encounters Owen in Episode IV, he never introduces himself as 3PO, and he has entirely different covering then when they last saw each other, it makes sense that Owen doesn't recognize him (saying "I have no need for a protocol droid" seems to indicate he's familiar with them, it's possible his experience with 3PO in the past is what he was thinking off. Was 3PO not much of a help? Also, 3PO said his first job was working on load lifters similar to his in most respects. Maybe that's because his memory, albeit wiped, wasn't completely wiped. He may have retained certain basic knowledge such as his first job). Also, Owen's interaction with 3PO is limited to literally about one minute. Perhaps if he spent more time with 3PO, and found out his name, he would make the connection, but he never ended up seeing him again as he had less than one day to live.

Also, the way Obi-Wan and Chewbecca seem to be talking when they first see one another in Episode IV(we don't hear what they are saying) but it could be taken as they know each other. Maybe after there experiences together in Episode III, they both end up on Tatooine together at the end of the movie and where Chewie eventually gets involved with Han Solo and smuggling (remember, stories of Solo saving Chewie and getting a life debt are not exactly canon) but still keeps in touch with Obi Wan and told him once, "if you need me, you know were to find me, the Mos Eisley cantina" or bark bark, growl growl, that Obi-Wan miraculously seems to be able to make out to mean exactly that.

I don't think Lucas had any of this in mind when each of the original films came out. But he has obviously gone over the original films with a pen and paper, and looked for ways he could make connections, or gives things new meanings, or new relations between disparte characters, or contrive it so beloved characters can appear in the prequels and not in anyway contradict their appearances (or reintroductions) in the original trilogy or even seem too coincidental (convenient maybe, but not actually coincidental) . 3P0's, R2's, Chewie's, even Boba Fett's (his father, Jango, being the best bounty hunter, might conceivably be chosen as host for creating a clone army, therefore, his unaltered clone, 20 years later, might be just like his "father", therefore it's plausible that Vader, when he needs someone [Han and Leia] to be tracked down, he goes to Boba, the exact clone of the best bounty hunter in the galaxy) involvment in the prequels are not as coincidental and contradictory as they might initially appear. Everything is worked out, made to fit and not seem implausible when you really think of it, even if it is just an excuse to have a famous, beloved character appear in the prequels.

That could actually make sense. Maybe Chewie saves Anakin, and Vader later remembers this, which is why Chewie's allowed to remain in his cell (complete with 3PO's wreckage where Chewie is able to at least partially fix him) with minimal torture (some loud noise that bugs his sensitive ears) while Han (and Leia? Though she seems to be in nowhere near in bad shape as Han does) are screaming there asses off.

I have no doubt Lucas was watching the original trilogy, looking for seemingly throwaway stuff like that, so he could come up with something in the Prequels that gives it an entirely different meaning.

I just know this movie is going to be crap. How many times do we need to beaten over the head with how lousy a storyteller Lucas has become? It's great to have faith but people seriously need to wake up and keep their expectations pretty damn low, maybe you'll be surprised and actually enjoy the flick that way. That's what I'm going to do. I know when the trailer hits it's going to trigger the biggest simultaneous fanboy orgasm in history (THE duel, Vader, Tarkin, final Emperor reveal, jedi purge, etc), but lets try just remember what happened with the last two movies regardless of brilliant trailers and ripe ingredients.

That's not to say Lucas wont pull a miracle in the bottom of the ninth, but seriously, Lucas is inherently handicapped with movie storytelling and him making a brilliant prequel is about as likely as a deaf-mute making it to the finals of American Idol.

Daryl Zero:

"...but also because it voids my beloved Droids comics."

Don't feel too bad -- the entire EU has been made invalid, to some degree or another.

For the record I enjoyed Episode 2 for its parts but can admit it's no masterpiece. I suppose I'm on the scale of what would be considered a casual Star Wars fan these days; especially considering how far some people take it; So I won't be surprised or heartbroken if Revenge of the Sith doesn't blow me away.

My expectations are realistic- all I hope to get out of this are a good time at the movies, a decent Obi-Wan action figure, and maybe an experience worth adding to my DVD collection. Some people seem to have a lot more at stake, which is something I don't understand. Theres going to be a great many people who are disappointed, and probably a lot more that are too ashamed to admit their disappointment, and that's sad.

That said, I participate in these threads and I subscribe to Hyperspace because there's something fascinating about the production of a film that's this big. I wish more franchises had the history and stability to offer their fans such insider status. Irregardless of how the movie turns out, I'll still have had a good time following the process, and I'm glad Lucasfilm has embraced that segment of the fanbase.

Of course, if I like the movie in the end, that's just icing on the cake.

Yeah, but the great thing about the Droids adventures was that they made the Galaxy seem so much bigger. I mean we're given the impression in ANH that R2 and 3PO have been through a lot together and it was fun to see some of that. The "Anakin as maker" thing, while really just one of my many problems with Episode 1, was so contrived as to be limiting to the overall scope of the series.

I mean, I realize it's all fiction but when you try to enjoy any fiction wholeheartedly you're still irked by the little inconsistancies, i.e. I still don't know what happened to Watson's various wives in the Sherlock Holmes canon, and it bugs the hell out of me, insignificant as that detail may seem.

That's why I actually liked that little Vader/3PO comic posted above- it sort of implies Anakin repaired the remains of the droid rather than build him from scratch, so you get to imagine C-3PO existed for a long while beforehand, fucking things up all around the galaxy the way only his fruity metal self could.

A cool little thing regarding 3P0 and Anakin....

Throughout the prequel arc, while 3P0 becomes more and more humanoid in form, his pappy becomes more and more machine.

Also, the more butch Anakin becomes, the more prissy C-3PO acts.

Not at all. 3PO is a fucking blabber mouth so it only makes sense that he would get a whipe. Plus, Uncle Owen had already said this needs to be done so its not coming out of nowhere.

Agreed, R2 knows ALL!

Vader never really saw 3-PO. The only time they were near each other was on Bespin. That was after he had been shot and was hanging in parts on Chewie's back.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................


Same shit, different day.

What's your point? You don't agree so you write it off with a bunch of z's. Original. Go in with bloated expectations if you want. Or not.

Deaf mutes becomes pop stars every week.
I'll say this in defence of Colt (if he wants it): there is a faint whiff of star wars fans NEEDING this film to be great in order to validate the prequels, or redeem them or something. their enthusiasm can just step over the line into desperation. just some of them, some of the time.
However, it seems very reasonable to me to expect that ROTS will be the best of the prequel trilogy.
Not saying much if you hated the first 2, but if you liked the the first 2 then looking forwards to next may seems justified.

I will say that all the wookie stuff looks like arse to me.

Like the previous two, I didn't. Had fun.

I love that a thread about Episode III discussion is largely about See Threepio.

You never know which tried and true fanboy debate will pop up in which Star Wars thread, regardless of title.

Some SITH Gossip...

For what it's worth to you guys, here's a little of what my friend who does CGI/match moving on all the prequels told me when we talked last month. He's always called it pretty close. He hasn't seen the whole thing yet, only about 50%. George gives it to them in 30 minute chunks to work on.

DISCLAIMER - the follwing info was actually relayed. Only Kreeper's underwear has been changed.

So, for what it's worth:

- the film (as he's seen it so far) is dark enough to easily get a PG-13. The tone starts out somber and things rapidly go downhill from there. Most of the main characters are murdered one by one and the few that do make it, he says "Are just "f_cked up beyond belief". He says that there'll be "a lot of disturbed kids" after they see this film.

- his coworkers (ILM guys), who weren't that crazy about working on the other 2 prequels, are actually looking forward to this one. He says the opening space battle makes the final one in Jedi "look like that Thunderbirds crap."

- apparently George took more time with the actors. He said that on two different occasions you could hear the set crew applauding in the dailies when Ian McDarmid did his scenes.

- he said the dialogue he's heard so far hasn't contained anything as bad as EP. II. and he's keeping his fingers crossed. Hayden's slow descent into darkness is handled and played well.

- General Grievous will give WETA's Gollum a run for his money. As a character he's actually more sadistic than Palpatine.

- Padme's pretty much kept to the sidelines in this one. Jar Jar basically plays nanny to her.

- there are more lightsaber fights in EP. III than in ALL the other films combined. Nick Gillard, the stunt coordinator, has pulled out all the stops. According to my friend, the weakest lightsaber duel in this one easily tops the Darth Maul Ep. I stuff.

- this has the highest onscreen character bodycount than any other SW film. He said the purge of the Jedi is pretty intense.

- the final duel between Anakin and Obi Wan is just so off the scale it's indescribable. As it's cut now it runs just under 12 minutes. Remember that scene in ROTJ where Luke gets pissed off and goes ballistic as the music swells as he drives Vader back? "Imagine that on an emotional scale of the Nth power." He said that what actually triggers the fight between the two is "pretty heavy".

- he says the guy who plays Tarkin is very good.

- you'll finally get to see why Mace Windu is the most powerful Jedi on the Council. He offered to tell me what happens but I declined. He said that it's pretty shocking.

- Rick McCallum's nickname amongst the staff is "The Devil" (and I thought that was Rick Berman).

- he told me some interesting spoilers regarding the Clone Troopers and their relationship to Stormtroopers.

- I personally thought the fight between Dooku and Yoda was silly (When Muppets Attack!) and demeaned the character. Well, he said that all that will be forgotten when Yoda and Palpatine throw down.

- nobody's seen the Wookie or Chewbacca footage (shot this summer in London) yet. They start work on it at the end of September. Lucas is keeping this a secret until absolutely necessary ("probably because it's lame" he said). So nobody knows what Chewie does or who he interacts with. He grumbled that he expects Lucas to do more reshoots in the Spring because that's what he did on the other two films: (Ep. I - the arrival of Palpatine after the siege of Naboo. Ep. II - the opening elevator conversation between Ben and Anakin. Both were shot the March before each film's release.

- he mentioned Ben Burtt being taken off Editor's duty. I forgot the name of the new guy.

- he says that if George doesn't cut the hell out of this and screw it up (which he thinks will probably happen):

1) When the credits roll you'll feel sad for both Ben and Anakin.

2) The scene in Ep. IV when Obi Wan confronts Vader on the Deathstar will have a whole new layer of depth and context added.

I basically ask him how the film's coming and he tells me bits and pieces. I try to avoid knowing spoilers about major things because I want at least some surprises.

When asked how it compared to the other two he said that so far it seems better but he can't tell by how much because it's too early. Apparently George tinkers with stuff up until the last possible moment (which pisses the ILM guys off to no avail). As far as the OT is concerned, he says its tone is like Empire but much darker.

Well color me, shocked all over, after reading that, I also need to change my Kreeper's.

:-S

interesting to read, kreeper, thanks, but what should make us give this any more credence than, well, me giving a precis of the lastest spoiler speculation?
Also, any sort of report that consists mainly of quotes of 'insiders' saying "what happens to x character is gonna be amazing. it's gonna blow your minds!" always sounds like PR fluff to me.
But hey, you said it was gossip, and i'll take any anybody wants to throw my way. It's up to me whether i beleive it, right?

Keep pressing your friend about the yoda farts. the idea makes me giggle with nervous joy.

So, they hate him?

I always tought fanboys would pick up on hating rick seeing how he joined George on the SE's up to now th Star Wars hasn't really gotten its thunder back since he joined, not that I hate the prequels, i'm just saying it's something I think a fanboy would go after.

I really want Lucas to put together great film, the guy takes so much of a beating from fanboys I want him to pull it off, Grievous from the clone Wars cartoons is a mean cold son of a robotic bitch.

Is it really important that they show the switch to Stormtroopers? They have a different helmet that's pretty much it, maybe the armors a bit different but it's no big switch from say RotJ with the speeder guys with different masks.

I also hope Lucas uses slightly more real sets, the CG Backgrounds are nice and all, but real sets built on a stage are sometimes nicer [not to use Empire as a means to put down the prequels but that freezing chamber set is really atmospheric and great, I don't think a CG background could match that]

Look forward to Revenge of the Sith.

No Offense Taken, Trinity.

Excellent point. You shouldn't take any info like this without a grain (or in the case of EP III, a quarry) of salt. If you DO want some specific spoilers (and I do know a few) I'd be glad to tell you/post them. Of course, whether my credibility is valid or not won't be known until next May.

As for him gushing over certain scenes, he's mostly talking about FX. This guy's pretty jaded so it's unusual for him to actually get excited about anything. The exception is when scenes or sequences they've been working on for over a year finally start to come together. That's just a natural reaction to seeing the fruits of your labor. The fact that he had anything decent at all to say about the emotional/plot content of the film really took me aback.

I should have mentioned a thing or too about context. When he made the statement about the Anakin/Kenobi duel havng such an emotional impact and seeing EP IV on a different level, I should have prefaced his quotes with "You and the other STAR WARS fans will..." because that's the angle he was coming from in that regard.

Either way, Trinity, I think your post definitely rings true. Which is why I like this site a hell of a lot more than AICN. The last thing this site needs is posts like HOLY COW! : KREEPER'S SNIFFED GEORGE LUCAS' SNEAKERS! -- SPOILERS! cluttering up good boards like these with fanboy pablum. Which is why I added the discalimers and also pointed out the negative aspects my friend mentioned.

Your skepticism is not only understood, but appreciated as well.

One more thing: "Yoda farts" ?!?

If it's Wayne Pygram playing Tarkin...he's not only good, he's phenomenal. I don't know how good he is as an actor for a love scene, but for playing that type of heavy...well, the man has a certain gravitas and charisma that's hard to beat.

If you do have any spoilers you can share that won't get your friend into trouble (and there's no point risking your job over some internet nerds), then you should post them on the spoilers thread.
There's no point posting me stuff that i wouldn't be able to share with the other chewers either, because then i couldn't take part in the discussions properly anymore, and that's where the fun is for me. I'm immensely enjoying the potentiality of the film at the moment. It's like Schrodinger's Ewok, or something.

I'm all out for spoilers on this movie, But i'll happily learn them when everybody else does.

On a side note, I can totally believe that the visuals of this film will be quite extraordianry, and it's great to know your friend gets a kick out of seeing all his hard work come together. Enjoying your job is cool, and feeling excited about a creative project even after it's finished is doubly cool. deeply jealous.

Oh and yes, yoda farts, just after he shows Grando his black lightsaber.
Star Wars is a beautiful place.

"Oh and yes, Yoda farts, just after he shows Grando his black lightsaber."

That sounds kinky...

Well..

McCallum is good producer on paper but he's no Gary Kurtz. I read an interview where McCallum stated that he was shocked when Lucas picked him (from The Young Indianna Jones Chronicles) to produce the STAR WARS films because everything he'd done up to that point as a producer had failed. He said, "So basically you've got the a producer with the world's weakest track record teaming up with the world's most successful filmmaker," or something ironic along those lines. Unlike Kurtz, I think McCallum is basically a "yes" man. But that's his job. I'm not saying Kurtz was wrong to sometimes question Lucas' story points, filmmaking style, etc. (see Colt 45's previous post). But I can also see how, as a director, Lucas doesn't want somebody doubting his every move/decision either. It's hard enough making hundreds of decisions a day without someone looking over your shoulder. One of a producer's responsibilities is to support the director's vision and see that he gets what he needs. I suspect the best situation would be a balance of both. I agree about the sequels lacking the thunder of the OT. McCallum's definitely a factor.

Me too. The thing that the whiny fanboys need to remember is that this is George's baby - hook, line, and sinker. Not just creatively, but financially as well. I mean, the guy's paying for everything out of his own pocket. How many of us would take that risk financially regardless of the hundreds of millions we had in the bank? I had a lot of problems with the prequels but I just try to keep it in perpective. He's been living and breathing this world for 30 years, so if he stumbles a few times along the way, I can forgive him.

Great point. I think that this detracted from the quality of the perfomances. It's hard to get yourself into a scene when all you see day after day is a table and two chairs surrounded by four green walls. It's one thing to do it in one or two action/FX scenes, it's another to suffocate your film with them (unless it's something like SKY CAPTAIN). The carbon freezing chamber comparison is a great example!

Darth, you're exactly right about the minor differences between the armor/uniforms. But the transition explanation is the result of a MAJOR plot point that happens in SITH. My friend inadvertantly let it slip when I was asking him about something else. It's one of the few spoilers I know.

That's what my firend said. It's a shame for me to admit it, but I haven't seen any of the CW shorts. I just figured I'd pick them up on DVD when they come out and watch them all in one sitting. Are they any good?

Dude, they're better than the prequels. I know that doesn't sound hard, but they're awesome.

Damn!

Now I may have to actually go out and borrow someone's tapes...

Thanks, Charles.

BTW, it's good to hear from somebody across the Pond!

Thanks, Trinity. I'll remember what you said about posting spoilers in the right place.

Love the Schrodinger's Ewok analogy! I feel exactly the same way you do about finding out the twists and whatnot. I've actually had to tell my friend to keep his talk technical a few times for fear of my enjoyment being ruined. It's a real Catch - 22. You want to know but...

Thanks again.

They're great, they do't really contain a lot of dialogue but the action is every thing you'd expect from Jedi let loose in full combat.

Grievous was amazing watching him in action though, I can't remember if he has blasters but he has multiple arms and he holds lightsabers, so he's holding about three lightsabers at once and such.

Although the prequels lacks any steady villain besides Palaptine/Sidious it follows the originals in introducing a minor villain for the single chapter...

Episode I: Darth Maul
Episode II: Jango Fett
Episode III: Gen. Grievous
Episode IV: Tarkin [Yeah I know he's in Episode III but he's probably more of a villain here]
Episode V: Boba Fett [Again he was in Episode II but he's featured here]
Episode VI: Jabba the hutt

Also I love the fact that it's called Revenge of the sith, I know some people think it's too expected but really anything they called it it would get slandered for some unsatisfiable thing.

If Episode III was The Great Divide or Anakin vs. Obi-Wan: Rage in the Cage it wouldn't matter, they'd get flack.

Kreeper: If the Clonetroopers become Stormtroopers is it like an upgrade, do they recruit more troops along with the Clones and those guys are Stormtroopers? I'd like to know the story behind that. I certainly wonder if they will end the trade federation as in sidious dobule crossing them, which would explain the lack of Battle Droids in the original trilogy. I hope Lucas dosn't over edit the battles or any scenes to get to the action quicker, after all if they don't stop to focus on Obi Wan and anakin then what emotion can you get out of the end duel?

I really can't wait to see Gen. Grevious in live action cause the animated one was just a kiling machine.

Q: When is the Clone Wars coming out on DVD? It seems like it's taking forever. i know they have a second season being made or something so they may be waiting for the release of both seasons before commiting them to DVD. All put together I think they add up to about 2 hours so fans get their Clone Wars flick, sorta.

It's just to bad Lucas is working in threes, you certainly have to wonder if the first episode was more along the lines of Episode II, when i look at episode I, it seems more like a prologue, too bad he couldn't cheat and make four films and call the first one "Prologue: The Phantom Menace"

It'll be interesting to see if Lucas goes through with episodes VII-IX, after all if history has taught us anything it's that war wwill always be waged, every few decades a conflict occurs, i think if Lucas were to go through with the OT sequels he should lay back, write the outline for them, aybe help with the scropt and get three top notch directors working on them as directors, because Lucas is so financially set he could really dosn't have to worry like the editting in Empire, cause that was before he was really set for life. an episode VII-IX could include Hamill, Fisher, and Ford in that they would be more on the sideline. After all Luke could train Han and Leias kids to be jedi, they grow up, some evil rebellion springs up. If made they should go with the traditional sets like was mentioning earlier instead of the CG backgrounds.

Thanks for the kind words kreeper, good to know you're getting info from your pals, I aint getting squat out of someone working at WETA.

Um, no. I'm sure Grievous will look great and all but he is still just a glorified battledroid with eyes. ILM has already shown that they can make inorganic things look realistic but simply adding eyes to it isn't going to match what was done with Gollum.

This isn't a fanboy LOTR against Star Wars bash, it's just being realistic.

How can you be realistic when you don't know what the character is really like? We've only seen what is understood to be a greatly exaggerated representation of him in a cartoon. Gollum was great, but really with the importance Grievous has to the film, he's a little more than a glorified battledroid, especially considering he's bio-organic.

We've seen pictures of what he looks like. Actual pictures and renderings of the character, not just his Cartoon appearance. Therefore, I can be reasonably certain of how he will look on screen.

He's a robot with eyes, period.

Gollum was a living, breathing creature.

I'm not trying to bash Grievous I'm just saying that we've see battledroids in the previous episodes, we know they were rendered realistically on screen, you add some eyes to one, give him a commanding voice and you get Grievous. Not a big breakthrough in CG characters, really. That doesn't mean he'll be subpar character just that there's not much more to him than what we've already seen CG wise in previous episodes.

I can have very realistic expectations of how Grievous will look onscreen.