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post #51 of 100
One of the best trailers ever - wow.

Good to see Pixar has packed this with comedy, action and a little Disney heart. You know - for the chiljun.
post #52 of 100
Thread Starter 
Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome
post #53 of 100
That trailer: Holy Hell
post #54 of 100
That's a spectacular trailer. Gave me goosebumps. The more I see of this, the better it looks to be.
post #55 of 100

First clip up:

thanks to IGN Filmforce. Go to the bottom of the page and choose Quicktime size.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/557/557976p1.html
post #56 of 100
That trailer will sell the movie to anyone who isn't decided on the movie yet. Fantastic work. I wish more trailers were like that.

Like someone said earlier, CLICK THE DAMN BUTTON.

*runs off to watch it again*
post #57 of 100
Thread Starter 
Here's a cool pic of Syndrome:



edited because I got my characters mixed up - thanks 11th Indian.
post #58 of 100
Actually, that's Syndrome (Jason Lee).
post #59 of 100
Jason Lee... Is that Beaver from Dreamcatcher? If it is, good. I like that guy.





Domingo'
post #60 of 100
Here's a sneak peek at the Pixar short that will be shown before the film:
http://www.pixar.com/shorts/bdn/theater/short_480.html
post #61 of 100
New York Times positions "The Incredibles" as a political treatise -- ah well, 'tis election season.

Link


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Truth, Justice and the Middle-American Way


By JOHN M. BRODER


CHICAGO - Already, the omnipresent advertising art for "The Incredibles," the next animated film from the Walt Disney Company and Pixar Animation Studios, promises something different. Bulging in all the wrong places, its red-sheathed superhero struts his stuff over wry lines like "No gut, no glory" and "Twice the hero he used to be."

But artful self-parody, long a staple of television comedies like "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill," may not be the only twist Disney and Pixar are preparing to deliver for the big screen.

The buzz out of early screenings is that "The Incredibles," set to be released Nov. 5, carries a considerably more middle-American sensibility than the usual fare from Hollywood, where liberal shibboleths often become the stuff of mainstream movies.

The new movie's hero, Bob Parr, a k a Mr. Incredible, after all, has been driven into middle-aged retirement and the Superhero Relocation Program by a flood of lawsuits brought by personal-injury lawyers representing people Mr. Incredible has saved but who later complain of things like neck problems.

Mr. Incredible's 10-year-old son, Dash, is blessed with super speed but is forced to conceal it from his unknowing peers at school - until, that is, he complains that he is being held back by the "everyone is special" ethic, which holds that kids should receive a trophy just for showing up on the playing field.

And Mr. Incredible's mission - to save the world from evildoers - was conceived by the writer-director Brad Bird a dozen years ago but largely realized in the wake of 9/11. It carries the earmarks of an era in which even cartoon villains can provoke debate about the true source of terror.

In an interview here last week, Mr. Bird, best known for his cold war-period animated feature "The Iron Giant," released by Warner Brothers in 1999, said his aim with "The Incredibles" was to provoke thought, not to communicate specific values, much less a political agenda.

"When you make a film, people interpret it a lot of different ways," he said. "My goal is to create something that works on more than one level. If they want to dig deeper, there's stuff there that can be had."

In some respects, that "stuff" is likely to resonate more in conservative-leaning "red" states than in liberal-leaning "blue" ones. An intact nuclear family, the Incredibles are mired in a boring suburban life, until they dare again to be great in the face of a society suspicious of the outsized and protective of underachievers.

Evil trial lawyers are the least of their problems, and Mr. Bird demurs when asked if the unflattering portrayal of them is a conscious tweaking of a lobby that provides large sums to the Democratic Party. "I just always wondered when a superhero broke through a wall, who was going to pay for that wall?" he said with a smile. "In the small-minded world we live in, that deed is not going to go unpunished."

In an increasingly partisan environment, viewers have been quick to suspect movies of having political messages, even when filmmakers disavow partisan intent. Last summer, for instance, the director Jonathan Demme's remake of "The Manchurian Candidate" for Paramount Pictures - a box-office disappointment - was widely seen as veiled critique of the current administration and particularly of Vice President Dick Cheney's ties to the oil-services giant Halliburton.

Oren Aviv, president of marketing for Buena Vista Pictures, part of the Walt Disney Company, says "The Incredibles" is an uplifting holiday-season movie about a family whose members just happen to have superpowers. No overt or subtle political statement is intended, he said.

"The themes that come through are all-encompassing positive themes about the family," Mr. Aviv said. The movie is not meant to lead viewers to any political conclusions, he said, but "people will do what people will do."

In creating "The Incredibles," Mr. Bird - who lives in Marin County, Calif., and professes frustration with both major political parties - said he was drawn to universal themes about the role of man and superman in society, and the dynamic of a functioning family.

"I had this goofy movie idea about superheroes trying to balance family with their responsibilities to society," said Mr. Bird, a onetime Disney animator who has frequently contributed to "The Simpsons." He began sketching out his superhero family shortly after the birth of the first of his three sons.

"At the time I was worried that if wanted to make that movie I would be selling my family short," he said. "Or if I wanted to be a good dad it would prevent me from being successful in the movies."

"The Incredibles" explores those themes, as Bob Parr and his wife, Helen, try to put aside their superhero pasts and concentrate on being good parents.

"It's about the danger of looking back to the exclusion of what's in front of you," Mr. Bird said. "On the surface, it's meant to be a blast, a pretty basic action movie, but below that it's about some basic issues - getting older, getting married, being a teenager, what it's like to be in a job you don't like - all wrapped in superhero clothing."

Mr. Bird said the story was pretty much set when he took the concept and some early drawings to Pixar in 2000. The election of President George W. Bush and the bitter political division of the nation, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the war in Iraq were all in the future.

"Anyone making a film now consciously or unconsciously will have elements of 9/11 because it's just an event that affects you," Mr. Bird said of the inevitable leakage of political trends and dilemmas into even family entertainment.

"The Incredibles" falls squarely in the literary and cinematic tradition of superheroes and super villains, said Martin Kaplan, who analyzes the interplay of entertainment and society at the Norman Lear Center at the University of Southern California. What makes this genre particularly resonant now is that the United States is engaged in a conflict with a shadowy and pervasive enemy, with an ending that remains to be written, he said.

"The challenge in the post-9/11 world is that the news provides plenty of examples of genuine monsters, so how do you compete with that?" Mr. Kaplan said. "One way is going to the kind of fantastic figures you find in Batman and Superman. The other way is to return to this long tradition of taking our deepest societal fears, in this case now embodied in the news, and put them back in a story line where you get to defeat them."

Mr. Bird said the larger point he was making is that a nation, a superhero or an ordinary mortal can be rendered impotent by fear and the conflicting demands of life. It happened to Hamlet. It happened to Jimmy Carter. It happened to Peter Parker in "Spider-Man 2."

"You don't want someone going in with guns blazing but not thinking," Mr. Bird said. "You don't want someone standing on the train tracks wringing their hands and getting run over by a train. You have to just be."

In one key scene, for instance, Helen Parr, a k a Elastigirl, voices what has become for many a post-9/11 mantra, telling her daughter that "things are different now," and dismissing doubt as a luxury of the past.

If such scenes provide some knowing moments for the red-state audience, there may be something hiding in "The Incredibles" for blue-state denizens as well. The villain of the piece, who goes by the name of Syndrome, creates a mechanical weapon of mass destruction to terrorize the world so that he can disarm it and make himself a superhero.

Will some be tempted to think of the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Mr. Bird insisted that it was not his vision of Syndrome, a vision that predated the election of Mr. Bush and the war in Iraq. But, he said, "if you connect that with George Bush, that's all right with me."
post #62 of 100
What a strange article. So the family dynamic only plays to the "red states?" Democrats don't like families now?

This is a different topic for a different thread, but yeah, I think this is one example of digging too deep.
post #63 of 100
Oh come on. Brad Bird made THE IRON GIANT, as you recall, which was pretty damn clear on its position of gun control. At least it felt like that to me.

I'm tired of looking for this bullshit political subtext. Just enjoy the fucking movie or not.
post #64 of 100
That's an embarrassingly ignorant piece of reportage that's hitting three weeks too early. To truly address the themes in THE INCREDIBLES, one needs to examine the entire arc of the story, which will resonate and (hopefully) make perfect sense regardless of one's political orientation. Yes, the film tackles some tough issues, and doesn't shrink from establishing a world of real, life threatening danger, but it's much smarter, and far less blunt, than that half-assed NYT article makes it out to be.
post #65 of 100
That Japanese trailer was fucking incredible.
post #66 of 100
The movie is fucking incredible.
post #67 of 100
You've seen it Beaks? Pardon my ignorance if this has already been established.

I'm looking forward to this movie almost as much as I did Return of the King. Everything I've seen just hits the right mark for me.
post #68 of 100
...can we be expecting a review anytime soon, Beaks? There hasn't been a propper "review" online yet, unless the TIME magazine article can be considered a review.
post #69 of 100
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Originally Posted by Clarence Beaks
The movie is fucking incredible.
I hope that quote gets put on the poster.
post #70 of 100
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Originally Posted by 11thIndian
...can we be expecting a review anytime soon, Beaks? There hasn't been a propper "review" online yet, unless the TIME magazine article can be considered a review.
A proper review is embargoed until the week of release, but I will say that I started writing it last night and was amazed at how I was wrestling with the film's thematic complexities like it was a John Ford movie. Of course, the same holds true for TOY STORY 2, which, come to think of it, was once likened to a Ford picture by Elvis "M.I.A." Mitchell.

BTW, old school Bond fans are gonna flip for this more than most.
post #71 of 100
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Originally Posted by Clarence Beaks
BTW, old school Bond fans are gonna flip for this more than most.
You tease!!!
post #72 of 100
My personal hype meter for this film is starting to redline. The TV spots look great, the trailers look great. The word of mouth concensus is that it is phenomenal and I even like the print ads. The reputation of Pixar apparently remains equal to that of Disney's golden era.
post #73 of 100
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Originally Posted by Clarence Beaks
...I started writing it last night and was amazed at how I was wrestling with the film's thematic complexities like it was a John Ford movie.
Based on IRON GIANT, why am I not surprised? It's interesting to see the different tacts in marketing. We get ads that are "FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY!", whereas the Japanese trailer hints at the films broader themes. It's good to know that my expections for the film being much more than a superhero comedy weren't misplaced.

Can't wait.

Without "reviewing" the movie, can you comment on first-time feature composer Michael Giacchino's score? His work in the computer gaming industry on games like MEDAL OF HONOR and CALL OF DUTY have me anxious to find out what he's done when let loose on a film like this...
post #74 of 100
I only know his work from ALIAS, which hardly prepared me for the scale of his work here. It's an affectionate homage to John Barry, but distinctive in its own right. Marvelous work.
post #75 of 100
Wonderful, thanks. I heartiy encourage anyone who's missed great big 'ol orchestoral scores from the 80's to seek out Giacchino's game music. Besides the aforementioned MEDAL OF HONOR and CALL OF DUTY, he also recently scored the Lucasarts SECRET WEAPONS OVER NORMANDY; which is available through LaLa Land Records. The other scores are harder to find, but well worth it.

Some clips are available though this website at:

www.michaelgiacchino.com
post #76 of 100
This is for all of you who went apeshit over that Japanese trailer. Here is the English version:
http://www.incinemas.com.au/trailers...dibles_480.mov

I saw it several weeks ago online and would've posted it, but I figured somebody already had.

Also, for all the previews and TV spots so far, here you go:
http://www.movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=incredibles
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post #78 of 100
Jesus - just seeing the trailer on a postage stamp sized screen makes me wish Lucas would just do Ep. 7-9 CG animated... the quality of animation today is just fucking mindblowing. And he could get it to look EXACTLY the way he wanted.
post #79 of 100
Another rave from VIEW LONDON:

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/review_2245.html
post #80 of 100
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for instance, there’s not a single instance of product placement (hang your heads in shame, Shrek and Shark Tale) and there isn’t even an accompanying pop single.
God bless this man. The critic I mean.

I swear, if I hear one more critical rave for the lazy, pop-culture-bloatedness of Shrek...
post #81 of 100
Trust me, Prankster. In ten years, no one will remember Shrek. Toy Story, however, will probably be played every Christmas.
post #82 of 100
The Pixar guys are just sheer genuis. Last night on E! News they had one of their reporters interviewing the cast (Mr. Incredible, Edna Mode, etc.) last night on their movie. I was laughing so hard I think I hurt myself when Edna Mode came on.

We are preselling tickets like crazy. I can't wait to see this.
post #83 of 100
For those interested in Bird's thoughts on the movie as a superhero "spoof".

"Bird said that he intentionally avoided a self-referential or ironic approach to the superhero genre. "I think we have fun with it, but I never intended to wink at the audience," Bird said. "I think there's a tendency with some filmmakers to act like they're above the material, and I think they're limiting what a film can be, because they're always saying, 'I don't really believe any of this, and you shouldn't either.' I wanted people to care about these characters and believe in this world."

Dead on. Can I put myself into a coma until next Friday?
post #84 of 100
One of the guys I regularly see at screenings in Atlanta told me to invest in Pixar. He said their stock has always done well.
post #85 of 100
More crazy love from Hollywood Reporter (some plot spoilers)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr..._id=1000694638
post #86 of 100
Two of the Nine Old Men voice characters in Incredibles. That's a stamp of approval from the Disney old guard. I doubt they would agree to voice characters in Treasure Planet or Home on the Range.
post #87 of 100
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Originally Posted by moovyphreak
One of the guys I regularly see at screenings in Atlanta told me to invest in Pixar. He said their stock has always done well.
I bought Pixar before Finding Nemo was released and I have not been dissapointed. In fact I'm looking to buy more. This company is full of imagination, heart and cash reserves; and it's exactly the kind of company that analysts overlook (though it's been hard to overlook lately).
post #88 of 100
Sweet, my friend works at a theatre and I can see it with him free.
post #89 of 100
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Originally Posted by The Sphinx always gets the sake
Two of the Nine Old Men voice characters in Incredibles. That's a stamp of approval from the Disney old guard. I doubt they would agree to voice characters in Treasure Planet or Home on the Range.
Are you so sure about that? It's possible that they were never asked. Disney's treated Frank and Ollie pretty well through the years.
post #90 of 100
Varitey likewise splooges (registration required)

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117...goryId=31&cs=1

I don't know what the policy on the boards is for registration required reviews, but I will copy and paste the first paragraph

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The Incredibles" lives up to its title. This grand adventure yarn about a retired family of superheroes getting its groove back is in several ways the most ambitious and genre-expanding entry in Pixar's extraordinary run of innovative and monstrously successful computer animated pictures. Writer-director Brad Bird's highly anticipated follow-up to his much-lauded 1999 "Iron Giant" delivers the sort of excitement, imagination, wit and panache that will make it enormously appealing to a wide spectrum of audiences around the world. A muscular marketing push will launch this penultimate Disney release of a Pixar feature into high and sustained B.O. orbit, with merchandising and ancillary sure to keep the profits rolling in for a long time to come.
Meanwhile, on the other side of sense, Bambi from Newsweek has this to say,

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But by the time Elastigirl is educating her kids about the New Bad Guys—Bird is clearly making a pitch for post-9/11 strength and solidarity—the director's earnestness has been undermined by all the bullets, bombs and blades he's sent the Incredibles' way just for fun. In other words: if a movie's going to endanger its own kids, it can stay away from mine.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6364338/site/newsweek/

Keep 'em in that bubble, Bambi...
post #91 of 100
That NEWSWEEK reviewer completely misses the point. The film advocates strength, unity and humbleness while acknowledging that the world is a far more dangerous place than it used to be. It's awful that kids are growing up nowadays knowing that they're fair game (even though the same was basically true of the Cold War era), so what's wrong with empowering them to confront this dangerous world with a little less fear?

Also, again in response to the NEWSWEEK review, the humans carrying the guns are the bad guys. My god, that was a lazy review.
post #92 of 100
Agreed. Empowering kids is never a bad idea. Neither is giving them a dose of relaity.

When's the embargo up, Beaks. Based on your earlier comments, I'm looking forward to seeing what you've come up with...
post #93 of 100
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Originally Posted by 11thIndian
When's the embargo up, Beaks. Based on your earlier comments, I'm looking forward to seeing what you've come up with...
Wednesday.
post #94 of 100
Argghhhhh, I can't wait till Friday!


"Ruben Studdard! We must flee!"
post #95 of 100
Thread Starter 
Or Thursday . . . from Latino Review:

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_20...dnight-sa.html

Very cool image.

:: edited because i can't post the pic ::
post #96 of 100
Not that I should be surprised, but another negative review from THE VILLAGE VOICE.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0444/winter2.php

It seems some people won't accept the idea of animation stepping outside spoofish, referential boundaries...
post #97 of 100
Well, I saw this at a late matinee today and it was ONE OF THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIES EVER!!

A thrill from start to finish with the typical Pixar character charm and humor. Plus, I geeked out at all of the cool gadgets and inventive sets, etc.

I have to agree with Devin that this is certainly my favorite Pixar film so far.

Go see this movie ASAP! It is scrumtrilescent!

9.5 out of 10
post #98 of 100
Pixar have once again produced an almost perfect film, an instant classic that puts Shrek, Sharks Tale and Ice Age to shame.
post #99 of 100
2 Disc DVD set in April around Easter [just in time for my birthday ]
check out dvdanswers.com for coverart, I do believe it's been posted somewhere on CHUD before as I remember reading comments, it's the Increds logo with the family in it with frozone and Edna Mode on the bottom, i'd go and get the .jpg but DVDanswers are stingy and linking pics don't work.
post #100 of 100
Wow. This is my new number one movie for 2004.
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