This is the last thing this Argento fan wants to see. Another pastiche to Hitchcock? How friggin' boring is that? The vultures are circling.
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Argento's Homage To Hitchcock A Deathnail?
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8/24/04 at 7:26pm
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No, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA was the "deathnail". A friend of mine recently defended THE CARD DEALER as being "fun in a Bruno Mattei kind of way" and that about sums up where Argento is right now. He has arrived at complete and utter creative bankruptcy and for some reason he keeps on making one insultingly bad film after the other instead of quitting years ago when he still had a shred of dignity left. Instead he tarnishes his own past efforts by pumping out self-plagiarizing crap.
Yes, I am bitter.
And where the heck did this HITCHCOCK nonsense come from anyway? I thought he was gonna rape his Three Mother Trilogy next with this THE THIRD MOTHER that was announced a year ago? Well, whatever, we're probably better off without him pissing all over the glory of SUSPIRIA and INFERNO.
Yes, I am bitter.
And where the heck did this HITCHCOCK nonsense come from anyway? I thought he was gonna rape his Three Mother Trilogy next with this THE THIRD MOTHER that was announced a year ago? Well, whatever, we're probably better off without him pissing all over the glory of SUSPIRIA and INFERNO.
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Yeah THE CARD DEALER was bad, but now he's dragging Hitchcock's name into this? Talking about the well running dry. It's vanished.
People can clamor all they want about THE BIRD OF WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMMAGE being inspired by the SCREAMING MIMI, and I say baloney. The visuals are Hitchcock. The voyeristic killer, a lot of the tracking shots, shit the editing. Hitch's influence is all over the giallos. Undeniably. And now we're gonna be treated to his homage. What the fuck were those films?
He really came into his own on DEEP RED, not that there's not some Hitchcock present there, but some other factors played important roles in the films uniqueness. Notably the first heavy use of color gells (a staple even then in Italian horror), electric Goblin score, and Daria Nocolodi who would co-write SUSPERIA and play as muselike influence for his important films there after. Their relationship was virtually over when she would make her last appearance in OPERA. And if their ever was a case for his bitterness bleeding through it's here.
The birth of Asia would prove important for Argento though. And his most masterful film post TENEBRE is THE STENDHAL SYNDROME. In which a vivacious and beautifully alluring Asia would play a similiar role for Argento. Roles were offered to her in several projects thereafter in which she declined. Rumors have spread that their relation is rocky at best. And now he's scrapping the greatness of Hitchcock for inspiration?
Please let the candy colored blade glimmer in our memory while that's still left.
People can clamor all they want about THE BIRD OF WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMMAGE being inspired by the SCREAMING MIMI, and I say baloney. The visuals are Hitchcock. The voyeristic killer, a lot of the tracking shots, shit the editing. Hitch's influence is all over the giallos. Undeniably. And now we're gonna be treated to his homage. What the fuck were those films?
He really came into his own on DEEP RED, not that there's not some Hitchcock present there, but some other factors played important roles in the films uniqueness. Notably the first heavy use of color gells (a staple even then in Italian horror), electric Goblin score, and Daria Nocolodi who would co-write SUSPERIA and play as muselike influence for his important films there after. Their relationship was virtually over when she would make her last appearance in OPERA. And if their ever was a case for his bitterness bleeding through it's here.
The birth of Asia would prove important for Argento though. And his most masterful film post TENEBRE is THE STENDHAL SYNDROME. In which a vivacious and beautifully alluring Asia would play a similiar role for Argento. Roles were offered to her in several projects thereafter in which she declined. Rumors have spread that their relation is rocky at best. And now he's scrapping the greatness of Hitchcock for inspiration?
Please let the candy colored blade glimmer in our memory while that's still left.
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8/25/04 at 3:00am
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Gosh, you'd think the man who gave us "Suspiria," "Phenomena," "Deep Red," "Opera," and some great giallos wouldn't get so much hate.
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8/25/04 at 4:20am
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I thought he was gonna rape his Three Mother Trilogy next with this THE THIRD MOTHER that was announced a year ago? Well, whatever, we're probably better off without him pissing all over the glory of SUSPIRIA and INFERNO.
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I haven't seen "The Card Dealer" (though I had a chance but just didn't say to see it--"Sleepless" was bad enough for me.) But I kinda hope that if Argento did go back and do the third movie in the mothers trilogy that maybe that would jumpstart his creative juices a bit and we'd get another classic along the lines of Suspiria and Inferno (my 2 fave Argento films.) Maybe it's not a realistic hope judging by some of his output lately, but I hope none-the-less.
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8/25/04 at 5:28am
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Before Dario is slapped around anymore, let's just take a look at where he stands in comparison to his horror peers:
John Carpenter - Rationalize with the "fun, popcorn movie" theory all you want, but this guy has put out utter shit for the past 15-20 years ...
George Romero - Worse ( if possible ) than Carpenter ... BRUISER was actually embarrassing ...
Wes Craven - Never was in Argento's class anyway, and his name hasn't meant anything in 20 years ...
Tobe Hooper - ugggh
While I concur that PHANTON OF THE OPERA was awful, and SLEEPLESS was disappointing, I still get excited hearing about Dario's involvement in anything .... In no way should he be written off, everything I read about the 3 Mothers finale was inspiring ... and to me, the Hitchcock thing doesn't seem as bad as everyone is making out to be .....
I never really understood the repeated comparisons to Hitch anyway .... Sure, BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE was marketed as such, and in the early days you could see an influence, however, their approch and style were so completely different from one another ... What drove a Hitchcock film and what drove an Argento film were totally different engines ...
Brian DePalma was obviously influenced by Hitchcock, however, in BLOW OUT, there are scenes that are so obviously Argento it's as if Dario were there on the set himself ..... and at no point in any Argento film have I ever thought "That looks like Hitch was there ..... Anyways, DePalma seems to be the bridge between Hitch and Argento, but obviously having more of the approch and execution of Alfred Hitchcock .....
Nobody, regardless of genre, has made films like Dario, and for me, his place as a filmmaker is above and beyond that Carpenter, Romero, etc etc ......
His best film might be behind him, but I still look forward to whatever he does .... He hasn't abandoned the genre like Carpenter has, so at least give him credit for something ....
John Carpenter - Rationalize with the "fun, popcorn movie" theory all you want, but this guy has put out utter shit for the past 15-20 years ...
George Romero - Worse ( if possible ) than Carpenter ... BRUISER was actually embarrassing ...
Wes Craven - Never was in Argento's class anyway, and his name hasn't meant anything in 20 years ...
Tobe Hooper - ugggh
While I concur that PHANTON OF THE OPERA was awful, and SLEEPLESS was disappointing, I still get excited hearing about Dario's involvement in anything .... In no way should he be written off, everything I read about the 3 Mothers finale was inspiring ... and to me, the Hitchcock thing doesn't seem as bad as everyone is making out to be .....
I never really understood the repeated comparisons to Hitch anyway .... Sure, BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE was marketed as such, and in the early days you could see an influence, however, their approch and style were so completely different from one another ... What drove a Hitchcock film and what drove an Argento film were totally different engines ...
Brian DePalma was obviously influenced by Hitchcock, however, in BLOW OUT, there are scenes that are so obviously Argento it's as if Dario were there on the set himself ..... and at no point in any Argento film have I ever thought "That looks like Hitch was there ..... Anyways, DePalma seems to be the bridge between Hitch and Argento, but obviously having more of the approch and execution of Alfred Hitchcock .....
Nobody, regardless of genre, has made films like Dario, and for me, his place as a filmmaker is above and beyond that Carpenter, Romero, etc etc ......
His best film might be behind him, but I still look forward to whatever he does .... He hasn't abandoned the genre like Carpenter has, so at least give him credit for something ....
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And his most masterful film post TENEBRE is THE STENDHAL SYNDROME.
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Originally Posted by Boys #22: elmie
Anyways, DePalma seems to be the bridge between Hitch and Argento.
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8/25/04 at 9:23am
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I'm still reeling from Wetbone's "fun in a Bruno mattei kind of way" remark (good stuff, BTW):
EVERY movie should aspire to that.
EVERY movie should aspire to that.
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And I certianly would much rather see a Mattei film, who makes no pretention at greatness, than Argento wallowing like this. He certainly stands to be judged on another level.
I disagree with the statement that none of Argento's films "Looked Like Hitch was there." For DAIL M FOR MURDER and of coarse PYSYCHO, are visually very similiar in their approach to suspence, if not narratively, nor thematically. Certainly no pastiche, but that's what frightens me most about this upcoming project as it's already been declared.
I always hold out a glimmer, and reserve the right of seeing an Italian language print of THE CARD PLAYER. With the ludicrous dubbing that's a staple of Mattei's films, the comparsion is justified and comical. THE STENDHAL SYNDROME definiatly suffered from an awful english translation, although first impressions from the two aren't even that comparable.
I wish he would put his ego aside and search out fresh ideas to complement what once was a ultra bizarro visual style, that now has become neutered.
This is the only hope I hold out for.
I disagree with the statement that none of Argento's films "Looked Like Hitch was there." For DAIL M FOR MURDER and of coarse PYSYCHO, are visually very similiar in their approach to suspence, if not narratively, nor thematically. Certainly no pastiche, but that's what frightens me most about this upcoming project as it's already been declared.
I always hold out a glimmer, and reserve the right of seeing an Italian language print of THE CARD PLAYER. With the ludicrous dubbing that's a staple of Mattei's films, the comparsion is justified and comical. THE STENDHAL SYNDROME definiatly suffered from an awful english translation, although first impressions from the two aren't even that comparable.
I wish he would put his ego aside and search out fresh ideas to complement what once was a ultra bizarro visual style, that now has become neutered.
This is the only hope I hold out for.
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Argento never was either. His first three films were giallo (thrillers), and of coarse the brillant historical comedy FIVE DAYS OF MILAN.
I would take a divergence like that right now any day.
I would take a divergence like that right now any day.
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