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What's going on with John Carpenter?

post #1 of 64
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I suspect it's tough to be the "Prince of Darkness" when you're so happy and fulfilled in life. It must be damn near impossible to be inspired to write and film good gory horror in that state of mind. Carpenter was always influenced and inspired by things in his life. What will influence him now that he is surrouded by the better things in life. Kind of like Metallica. When they were practically starving and living on bread they were pissed. They wrote songs and made very aggressive music. Now that they drive Porsches and live in mansions the edge is gone. Basically John has gotten soft.

Despite all this I predict he will soon make a comeback and make one of his best movies yet. He'll dig deep and find it within himself to be at his goriest, scariest best.

John Carpenter will put fear in us yet again.
post #2 of 64
God I hope you're right. Horror is making a comeback of sorts, but a lot of it is crap. We need something that wil push it over the edge. Plus Carpenter is one of the greatset horror directors of all time.
post #3 of 64
Whatever.
post #4 of 64
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I would have agreed with you before Wetbones but after viewing each of those movies a second and third time they aren't that bad really compared to what we have coming out now. Still I think he's got a couple more classics in him. He's just got to get his shit together.
post #5 of 64
Compared to some movies paraded on this board as greatness, VAMPIRES and GHOSTS OF MARS are masterpieces.

I liked THE STENDHAL SYNDROME a lot. That was good stuff.
post #6 of 64
Vampires is actually a guilty pleasure of mine. Ghosts of Mars on the other hand I can't sit through. I agree, it would be nice to see him make a comeback. He was always known as one of the masters of horror, and it's a shame to see his talent go to waste.
post #7 of 64
I actually really liked Vampires and Ghost or Mars. Escape from LA was pure garbage though.
post #8 of 64
Vampires is a sweet movie. Never seen "Ghosts" though.

I think maybe Carpenter would do well to maybe direct someone else's scripts for a change. Sure, he's always loved being in complete creative control, but I really just want to see him directing again. Imagine how badass it would have been if he had directed the "Dawn of the Dead" remake or something.
post #9 of 64
I would love a shot at writing something for John Carpenter, man, that would be awesome.
post #10 of 64
Whatever.
post #11 of 64
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I wouldn't like to see him directing someone elses script. It wouldn't have any of his personal touches especailly the great characters. He needs to write, direct and score it for me to be happy.
post #12 of 64
I would too, although it's worth noting that what the majority consider to be his best movie, THE THING, was written by Bill Lancaster.

I think he should call up Debra Hill.
post #13 of 64
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Originally Posted by Charles B
I would too, although it's worth noting that what the majority consider to be his best movie, THE THING, was written by Bill Lancaster.
...AND was scored by Morricone.
post #14 of 64
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True but that was a remake and not a JC original.
post #15 of 64
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
True but that was a remake and not a JC original.
JC's "The Thing" is so far removed from the Hawks version that the term "remake" is misleading. "Inspired by" possibly, but I would never call it a remake in the most literal sense. "The Thing" is VERY much a JC original and the film by which all his other films are judged.
post #16 of 64
Carpenter is probably the best GENRE director ever. even his movies that are cannonized emphasize style & atmosphere over plot & dialog, something that makes them eminently re-watchable and likely to grow on the viewer. his foundation is B movies from the 50s, monster and western pictures, and while he has indeed surpassed his inspirations in effectiveness and enjoyability, he's not exactly trying to do anything more than those movies did in the first place, which is to distract and entertain (with maybe a bit of a slap at fascists whenever he can). of all his movies, only a few have immediately struck me as incredible, and even those have gotten better after I've watched again and again over the years. the rest have taken some time to sink in and become old friends, but, all of them eventually have. to me the great thing is that he has made a lot of movies over the years. he's never sat back on the laurels of a small few movies, like MOST of his contemporaries. he sticks his neck out doing what he loves and he's kept on doing it despite no dearth of ingrate critics. I hope he keeps making movies till he falls over dead. I just emailed him a couple weeks ago asking him to please keep making movies, it's already been too long...
post #17 of 64
Whatever.
post #18 of 64
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cfMC what's his e-mail address. I'd have a few words for my fav director.

Don't get me wrong The Thing is my second fav horror movie of all time. In every aspect that film is amazing. It is not a JC original the way most of his others are. Indeed The Thing is what all others are judged against and I'd take one like that any day. Too bad he has said he'd never do a sequel and all we'll get in that regard is a video game. Not to say the video game was bad.
post #19 of 64
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
...after viewing each of those movies a second and third time they aren't that bad really compared to what we have coming out now.
I can't tell if that says something good for Carpenter or bad for the industry as a whole.
post #20 of 64
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Yeah that isn't the most complimentary thing to say but it's true. I had a serious loathing for the latter half of John's work for awhile until I watched them all again and a few several times. I didn't get the whole John Carpenter vibe at first but once I did they all seemed to be like watching the work of a friend that I had gotten to know well.

As far as the industry right now I think it's in pretty bad shape as far as horror is concerned. Last year was a great one and there are many things still coming but they just haven't gotten it like I thought they had. I'm not basing anything off of this but I just read the article in Fangoria about Resident Evil. The director says he liked horror as a kid but hasn't watched any in twenty years. These are the kinds of people that Hollywood gets to capitalize on us genre fans. I look forward to movies like 'Saw' and 'The Machinist' but it's going to be a long wait for 'The Devils' Rejects' or the next Eli Roth film or even 'Land of the Dead'. It seems the trend now is to make a really good horror flick then put out 10 shitty ones once people get interested. I'm pretty disgusted with it at this point. I still have my catalogue of classics to keep watching though and the few new arrivals that come through keep some hope alive but it's going to be a grim time I think with some genre directors like Del Torro locked into movies I'm just not interested in. We'll see.
post #21 of 64
I'm with Charles B, JC should get back with Debra Hill (who was such a cutie back in the Halloween/Fog days. Man, Debra Hill, a cool horror lovin chick and Andrienne Barbeau....my admiration for JC goes beyond his being one of my favorite directors.) I think it was a good working partnership between the two.

I'm also with Floyd...I've still got faith in the man. While his later work may not compare to the "classic" status of his earlier works, I don't find it as bad as some. For a long while I would say his only really bad film was Escape From LA. But I recently tracked it down on dvd and rewatched it...it ain't great, still one of his lessor efforts, but it ain't that bad. (I also find some stuff to like about Memoirs of an Invisible Man...even though it doesn't have the John Carpenter's at the beginning, as he doesn't consider it one of 'his' films, it isn't bad.)

I don't know if I'd use the words "enjoyable trash" as wetbones did for Ghosts of Mars and Vampires, but I know what he means exactly and I guess it's a matter of semantics. And it's a good enough term. I enjoyed them, but don't know how far I could go to defend them as "great" movies. But I really liked In the Mouth of Madness and Village of the Damned, which, while adding nothing new to the great original, I thought was very solidly well done and a very good, solid horror flick. Of his later films I actually think it's one of my favorites of his. The steady tone of it...with no real action scenes or rises in the tension--sure there's a death scene here and there, but there are hardly any 'action' scenes--the movie is just a steady prgression of atmosphere and mood (though some may say it's flat.) But his music is great in it. And there's a lot of little touches in it that seem very much Carpenter. The slow parade of cars to the 'birthing barn' and then the slow dolly across all the mothers giving birth and when they do all their smiles, etc, but during the whole scene there's his music playing giving this 'happy' moment this sense of dread. And the same shot of the cars as the children are dropped off, etc. It may not be an original idea and may barely deviate from the original film, but some stuff in there as well as Vampires and even Ghosts of Mars let me know that John Carpenter the director I love is still in there.

I think he just needs something to light his fire again. Maybe get a project he really loves, or make that low budget "halloween-like" horror film he's mentioned vaguely time and again (not a specific script, but the idea of going back and doing a film like that.) Personally, I'd love for him to do a remake of Quatermass And the Pit, which is a huge fave of mine and I know his. He's mentioned it over the years, and he's a huge Quatermass fan. I think something like that would really get his juices going.

But yeah, I'd really really like to have some new JC movies.
post #22 of 64
Whatever.
post #23 of 64
Charles B vs. Wetbones

Whoever Wins... We Lose.

post #24 of 64
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Speaking of Village of the Damned there's a DVD out now with two earlier versions of the film on it. I think I'm gonna have to pick that up. I only recently watched JC's version and liked it quite a bit. One of the more tension filled "evil kid" movies, although they were aliens and not kids.
post #25 of 64
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Originally Posted by Wetbones
If you don't like the opinions on this board why do you even bother to post here? It's not like we appreciate the presence of elitist assholes like yourself.
I didn't say I didn't like the opinions. I just find it amusing sometimes that people decry some films based on their nature or who makes them (i.e. made in Hollywood, part of a certain genre etc) while eschewing the merits of some things that I, and many other people, find dire. Is that less elite then whatever I am? I suppose the answer will be yes. Oh well. Still, it's better than The Horror Channel.
post #26 of 64
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Originally Posted by Dariodevil
Charles B vs. Wetbones

Whoever Wins... We Lose.

Unless it's a fight to the death. Then everybody wins!

That's not right. Anyways, Anderson would ruin it with too much CGI.

EDIT: I just read Charles B's comments above. I take it back. It is right.
post #27 of 64
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Originally Posted by Dariodevil
Charles B vs. Wetbones

Whoever Wins... We Lose.

It's just a disagreement. Nothing more. AFAIK, this isn't huge flame war, although if it becomes one, I'll just as soon walk away. I don't come here for that kind of thing.
post #28 of 64
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I can actually see your point Charles B. I can sit here and say I think The Silver Bullet is a really cool movie and yet I hated 28 Days Later. To most I'm sure that's a little off.
post #29 of 64
It's not that, because I can see how me reacting to that would be elitist, it's more people saying stuff like LOTR etc sucking while going on about how good stuff like THE INVISIBLE ZOMBIES. I mean, people refusing to even grant any kind of leeway to a film because of its genre or who directs a film.

I understand various films apply to various people, but I can see movies that I don't particularly have much fondness for, but I can see they're good movies, such as PULP FICTION. I don't enjoy that movie much, but I understand completely that it's brilliantly made and very influential, and is a modern classic.
post #30 of 64
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You just had to being Paul W.S. Anderson into this didn't you?
post #31 of 64
Paul Anderson... such a great filmmaker.

But is RESIDENT EVIL better than MAGNOLIA?

I think it's probably time to put this to bed. If I'm going to be zipping back and forth with posts, I prefer it to be about horror. Or my infinite love for JAWS 3-D. So yeah, how about ESCAPE FROM LA?

In all seriousness, I'd love to see Carpenter go back to a ghost story, like THE FOG. I miss movies like that. Movies that don't have to be right into the main plot within the first two minutes. Creepy ghost stories that feel less like movies and more like something that is told around a fire. Now all we get is endless variations on THE SIXTH SENSE or RINGU.
post #32 of 64
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I know who has a script for a ghost story that would be perfect I bet. The main man behind the band Porcupine Tree has written one. In fact their next album which comes out in September is all music inspired by the script. I'd love to read it.

I was thinking it was time for JC to do a werewolf flick. I think he's covered everything else.
post #33 of 64
I think he'd be damn perfect to do CYCLE OF THE WEREWOLF (sorry - I know you dig SILVER BULLET). But that is a great idea.

Either that, or another Jack Burton movie.
post #34 of 64
Second a return to the old Porkchop Express, good buddy!

And I kinda like the idea of Carpenter doing another ghost story. The Fog always was alright, but it wasn't as balls-out scary as "The Thing". Of course, I was half asleep when I saw it, so my opinion is skewed.
post #35 of 64
Carpenter has been with Debra Hill for awhile, trying first to get the aborted "Escape From Earth" series off the ground at USA (with Russell on board to exec. produce and Jamie Blanks on board to direct a couple of eps after Carpenter directed the pilot) and now trying to get "The Fog" re-made (apparently, "Earth" became a "feature" in development after not getting picked up for series and went nowhere, too). Currently, Carpenter is shopping around a project called "At Midnight" that Tommy Lee Wallace wrote that Carpenter is re-writing. I read the Wallace draft and it's kind of craptacular, but we'll see, right? Carpenter is kind of the kiss of death at studios, though. Most set-up horror projects are looking for a director who will go in and deliver a movie whereas when John pitches on something, it's to completely re-write the thing into a "John Carpenter film." As that no longer guarantees box office or, well, a good movie, he's not exactly getting offered EVERYTHING on a studio level anymore like he used to. As the things that he DOES originate/write are usually a "John Carpenter film," the studios aren't all that interested in that either. Though a studio will likely soon pull the trigger on "The Fog," one of the things that kept it down for so long was just how much control Carpenter and Hill wanted to have over the thing.

The weird one was that he was also attached to direct (but not write) a remake for television of "The Eyes of Laura Mars" at one point that also dropped dead. Wonder whatever happened to the Snake Plissken Chronicles anime movie? And what's the REAL story on John's involvement with the now-dead "Meltdown?"
post #36 of 64
Well yeah, that was what I liked about it. THE THING was more overtly scary, with the paranoid tension backing up Rob Bottin's creations, whereas THE FOG was all about atmospheric buildup.
post #37 of 64
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Alright I must confess that although I'm a big King fan and HAVE read most of his work I have NOT read Cycle of the Werewolf.
post #38 of 64
It only takes about ten minutes to read, but it's beautifully lyrical and pretty minimalistic for King. It also has great illustrations by the legendary Bernie Wrightson.
post #39 of 64
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Originally Posted by Smilin' Jack Ruby
Wonder whatever happened to the Snake Plissken Chronicles anime movie? And what's the REAL story on John's involvement with the now-dead "Meltdown?"
Whattya asking me for? Now sit down and eat yer puddin', old man!

As much as you think JC's the kiss of Death, it's still not as bad as "Wes Craven Presents". Not that that's a slam against Wes, just that he has, lately, had a tendency to sit on his heels and let the studios do whatever they want to his movies (Cursed, anyone?)
post #40 of 64
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Originally Posted by Charles B
It only takes about ten minutes to read, but it's beautifully lyrical and pretty minimalistic for King. It also has great illustrations by the legendary Bernie Wrightson.
Best picture of a werewolf ripping a man's face off...EVER!!!
post #41 of 64
I have a scar on my cheek sorta like that dude.

Obviously not from a werewolf, but still...
post #42 of 64

sigh

Well, the glorious days of the original Halloween, Carpenter's The Thing and The Fog are LOONNNNNGGGGGGGG gone...

Devastating isn't it?
post #43 of 64
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The Fog remade by JC himself would be great.

No not devastating. His glory days aint' over yet. Mark my words!!!!!!
post #44 of 64
I wanna talk about Jaws 3-D... that film's awesome!! Seriously! Better than Jaws 2, anyway.

With regards to JC, take a look at the pattern of his career. Most of his greatest films (The Thing, Big Trouble in Little China, perhaps They Live) flopped hard on their initial release and met with critical derision.

Look at Vampires in 10-15 years, it'll be a lot more respected than it is now. And the soundtrack, and James Woods, kicks ass.
post #45 of 64

well...

I think JC could make another masterpiece, he just needs to go home, go back to basics and relinquish that primal feel.

Ghosts of Mars wasn't all that great was it now? Most people hate it. I thought it was decent, but nothing special. It was a touch extravagant in scale, for many different reasons. Sure, The Thing was also, but Carpenter was onto a different plain of movie making at that point.

Carpenter will always be held in high regard because of the movies he made early in his career; there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to make another masterpiece. Except maybe having a budget that is too big and taints the experience...not sure what the problem is, I think he may work better with his back against the wall, so to speak...
post #46 of 64
I'm a huge Carpenter fan, but he's been churning out utter shit for a long time. Vampires was ass, with minor flashes of greatness, Ghosts of Mars had no flashes of anything, all filler, and I for one have no hope for any future Carpenter endeavor. He hasn't pushed himself in a very long time, and I'm sure a lifetime of smoking pot didn't help his cranium survive into old age too well. I love, repeat, love a great body of his work, but I don't have any hope.

Off course, I must eat some of my previous words about Tobe Hooper. He's got a much smaller body of good work than Carpenter, and a much larger load of shit, but the guy pulled it out for Toolbox Murders. That movie was a lot of popcorn eating fun.

If Hooper can do it, maybe Carpenter has one more in him. Hell, Look at how Ridley Scott's comeback & Roman Polanski, everyone had put a fork in those guys claiming they were done. Might happen here, might not.
post #47 of 64
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Originally Posted by pitter
I think JC could make another masterpiece, he just needs to go home, go back to basics and relinquish that primal feel.
Agreed. But the same can be said for a lot of directors, actors, artists, et al.

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Originally Posted by HDF De Mouth
I'm sure a lifetime of smoking pot didn't help his cranium survive into old age too well.
Maybe he needs a day of shrooming to reset his head.

I'm half-joking, half-serious.
post #48 of 64
I have a script for him. Cowboys. Zombies. Ghosts.

Perfect.

Don't think he comes to London much though. Fuck.

I always hope he'll hit another out of the park soon though. Always. He couldn't fall lower than Argento's The Card Player for certain, which is blessed, sweet relief.
post #49 of 64
[QUOTE=HDF De Mouth]I'm a huge Carpenter fan, but he's been churning out utter shit for a long time. Vampires was ass, with minor flashes of greatness, Ghosts of Mars had no flashes of anything, all filler, and I for one have no hope for any future Carpenter endeavor. He hasn't pushed himself in a very long time, and I'm sure a lifetime of smoking pot didn't help his cranium survive into old age too well. I love, repeat, love a great body of his work, but I don't have any hope.

Agree with you here HDF - I must say I find some of the posts here rather puzzling. Vampires is AWFUL, as is Ghost of Mars. Truly truly awful films. Don't get me wrong - I love early Carpenter...

<cue list of all-time favourite Carpenter films)
The Thing
Escape From NY
Assault on Precinct 13 (No-one has mentioned this - has THE best Carpenter soundtrack)
In The Mouth of Madness (His last decent film)
They Live (Greatest B-Movie of all time?)
Dark Star (Dan O'Bannon PLEASE make/write more films!)

(Notice I haven't included Halloween here. Does anyone else think this movie is overated? I know it was one of the first films to use objective camera shots, and I'm not denying it's importance in terms of establishing the stalk'n'slash genre, but it's really suffered from its own success. What was original and shocking then is now so hackneyed and plodding - beyond the flashes of originality and innovation is actually a rather dull movie. Great horror films stand the test of time (Dawn of the Dead, Evil Dead, TCM...) regardless. Michael Myers is surely the lamest of all the franchise horror characters, with never any satisfactory attempts at understanding his dementia)

...but he really hasn't done shit for ages. His films now are obvious and clumsy, and not in the least shocking. It's so weird how directors like Carpenter (Craven, Hooper, Romero, Argento...) are just so impotent these days. Craven's Scream was terrible despite everyone's raving - it wasn't as good as his previous stab at post modern horror, New Nightmare (not actually a bad little film). This horror buff for one is DESPERATELY HOPING Land of the Dead will be a winner. The only people making decent horror at the moment, with any kind of progressive storylines and techniques, are the Japanese. Miike alone makes Western horror look dated and, frankly, silly.
post #50 of 64
Whatever happened to that contest that was going on this spring? A screenwriting magazine was doing a contest where you could submit your own genre script and the cream of the crop would be read by John Carpenter. If he found any he liked enough he supposedly would try to put it into production.

At least, that's what the contest info said. The contest ended back in June, does anyone know how it ended up?
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