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Exorcist...um, do you have to be Catholic to get it?

post #1 of 25
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First off, not meant as an insult to anyone, but I have seen teh great movie Exorcist and well....was not impressed.

I mean, the ploting is pretty good, it manages to maintain a creepy atmosphere and all....and the young priest was an interesting character certainly. It is a good movie for the genre...

But scary...um not really.

I mean, Satan or Beezlebub takes over a little girl and she swears a lot.......


oh, I am terrified.

So, when I was talking to a friend about my disapointment she said, "I guess you have to be Catholic to get it"

So now I have to wonder...is there something to that?

Is the genre in general more effective on people who have grown up with the Catholic Doctrine? Or am I just shooting my mouth off?
post #2 of 25
From the mother's point of view the child's transformation is meant to evoke fears of physical corruption and the psychlogical fear of the child growing out of the control of the mother, especially sexually.

For the child, there is the fear of being trapped, the fear of not being in control of yourself and/or the fear of the 'darker' urges in yourself taking over.

there is also the fear of eveything in your life being torn down, taken away from, turned into a nightmare or destroyed utterly.

these are all fairly universal fears.

The idea of a malign influence that will destroy your life is a common one in countless horror films, both before and after the exorcist.

I would also suggest that Catholics think the demonolgy bits are bigger hooey than the non-catholics do.

If you don't think it's scary anymore it's probably because the film has been copied and parodied so many times. You also, if you are still quite young, are maybe used to the more knowing, tongue-in-cheek style of horror, which leads many people to laugh at the relatively simple scares of the pea soup and spinning heads.
Another reason is that the fears i listed above are 'emotional' horrors. they don't rely on quick cuts or dark shadows or jump scares. Although the film is historically regarded as seminal, it is the cheap and exploitational slasher films of the 70's that truly influenced subsequent horror films.
Better to see the film as a family drama in which terrible things happen, rather than as anything remotely like a modern hollywood horror film.
post #3 of 25
For the full effect I guess one should be religious in one form or another, not necessarily Catholic. Growing up in a very religious family and being raised that way The Exorcist freaked me out because it wasn't just something put on celluloid it was something that could be a reality. Satan was very much a part of my upbringing and the fear that if one didn't live right you could be corrupted and possibly possessed. There are verying degrees of possession as well.
post #4 of 25
I'm completely religion-free in every way and I find it to be one of the most brilliantly conceived and frightening movies I've ever seen.
post #5 of 25
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For the full effect I guess one should be religious in one form or another, not necessarily Catholic. Growing up in a very religious family and being raised that way The Exorcist freaked me out because it wasn't just something put on celluloid it was something that could be a reality. Satan was very much a part of my upbringing and the fear that if one didn't live right you could be corrupted and possibly possessed. There are verying degrees of possession as well.
Ypu don't still believe in possession do you?

I'm not a believer either, but unlike Charles B and half the world, I don't have a lot of affection for this film.
I didn't see it till I was 16, and before then I already had been inundated w/ the film's ripple effect on pop culture; suffice it to say, the final experience was kind of flat.

It was more or less like watching that early SNL sketch w/ Richard Pryor, I got quite a few chuckles out of the gargoylesque little girl, spewing pea soup and obscenities.
Despite my opinion, it is a solid picture, and a great example of American horror if you can remove yourself from the gigantic spectre of overexposure that haunts it.
post #6 of 25
the movie is scary because it is plausible.
post #7 of 25
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Ypu don't still believe in possession do you?
I'm not a religious believer anymore so I suppose the answer to that would be no but still there are times when I would say I'm just not sure.
post #8 of 25
My friends mom went to Catholic School or whatever and just can't watch it without freaking out. I watched and I don't see anything so "AHHH FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOO!" about it, didn't really frighten me. I guess during the time of release because it was based on "true events" and the '70's culture, it would scare people and hippies shitless.
post #9 of 25
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My friends mom went to Catholic School or whatever and just can't watch it without freaking out. I watched and I don't see anything so "AHHH FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOO!" about it, didn't really frighten me. I guess during the time of release because it was based on "true events" and the '70's culture, it would scare people and hippies shitless.
Hippies aren't people?
post #10 of 25
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the movie is scary because it is plausible.
In what alternate universe?
post #11 of 25
I dont think that in order to be scared watching the Exorcist in the 21st century has anything to do with being Catholic...I think to be totally effected by it..you either need to have seen it in a theater in 1973, or be totally sequestered from any explicit horror film made in the past 20 years...like Alien...no one had ever seen or experienced a film like this before when it came out and it was truly shocking...remember in 1931...people shit thier pants at the first sight of Karloff as the Frankenstein Monster...today its not shocking...its a pop culture icon...same thing today...Exorcist is not really shocking by 21st century standards, and I have heard people say they thought Alien was boring in its rerelease... but just like Frankenstein the ARE classics.
post #12 of 25
I don't mind admitting that Exorcist still scares the bejesus outta me.

And Im not even slightly religious.
post #13 of 25
It's mostly a film that has been too hyped up in the last thirty years.... after hearing how terrifying it was for years, I was very let down by it.
post #14 of 25
Don't crucify me fellas...but I wasn't really scarred when I first saw this movie (which wasn't until the re-release), instead I found the movie to be really funny, albeit in a very horrific way. It was like shock humor, it was just too outrageous for me to really be frightened.

Now I don't think you necessarily have to be a religious person in order to understand this movie, but I think my attitude towards religion definitely had an affect on how I perceived the film.

That said I do enjoy the film, there are some very good and very believable performances in the film, but for me it just wasn't all that scary (it did have it moments though).
post #15 of 25
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el topo said:

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It's mostly a film that has been too hyped up in the last thirty years.... after hearing how terrifying it was for years, I was very let down by it.
It's rather like Psycho isn't it? It's so hyped up now it's bound to be a let down...

Otoh, Rosemary's Baby which everyone has hyped as a scary movie....gave me the veritable willies.

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I think to be totally effected by it..you either need to have seen it in a theater in 1973
Interestingly enough I did see it in the theater as part of a film festival....

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like Alien...
Which I also saw for the rerelease for, and that was waaaay creepier on the big screen.

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If you don't think it's scary anymore it's probably because the film has been copied and parodied so many times.
Good call, I suppose it's become cliched...like Lord of the Rings or something.

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You also, if you are still quite young, are maybe used to the more knowing, tongue-in-cheek style of horror, which leads many people to laugh at the relatively simple scares of the pea soup and spinning heads.
I think I am more into creepifying without seeing the big monster....you know what you can't see is more terrifying...movies like the Haunting and Rosemary's baby and such.
post #16 of 25
I turned it on one day without even realizing what it was and it scared the hell out of me. There is just something intrinsically disturbing about the whole movie and alot of the imagery stayed with me for quite a while. This is coming from someone who is not religious in the sense that he attends church often, but has beliefs.
post #17 of 25
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I dont think that in order to be scared watching the Exorcist in the 21st century has anything to do with being Catholic...I think to be totally effected by it..you either need to have seen it in a theater in 1973, or be totally sequestered from any explicit horror film made in the past 20 years...like Alien...no one had ever seen or experienced a film like this before when it came out and it was truly shocking...remember in 1931...people shit thier pants at the first sight of Karloff as the Frankenstein Monster...today its not shocking...its a pop culture icon...same thing today...Exorcist is not really shocking by 21st century standards, and I have heard people say they thought Alien was boring in its rerelease... but just like Frankenstein the ARE classics.
Thank you! That's exactly why people who are just seeing The Exorcist for the first time say how "funny" or "stupid" they find it. By today's standards, it wouldn't be considered scary because almost all of the terror is psychological and that means you have to think to watch it and be scared. I'm not saying that nobody uses their brains, just that they prefer to have it there in front of them. That's the reason I find is so amazing that the parking lots at bookstores are always packed, guess the crowd has alot to do with the obligatory coffee shop in most of the stand alone book stores now.
post #18 of 25
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Hippies aren't people?
You know it.
post #19 of 25
I don't believe so. I don't think it's a particularly scary film, considering I'm Agnostic, but the story is strong enough in my mind to carry it.
post #20 of 25
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Thank you! That's exactly why people who are just seeing The Exorcist for the first time say how "funny" or "stupid" they find it. By today's standards, it wouldn't be considered scary because almost all of the terror is psychological and that means you have to think to watch it and be scared. I'm not saying that nobody uses their brains, just that they prefer to have it there in front of them. That's the reason I find is so amazing that the parking lots at bookstores are always packed, guess the crowd has alot to do with the obligatory coffee shop in most of the stand alone book stores now.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Exorcist is psychological horror, there are some gross body horror aspects to it of course, but that wouldn't scare people raised in todays de-sensitized society. The Exorcist scared the living shit out of me because of my fear of the Catholic ideas of good and evil, because of my fear of being controlled, and because the helplessness of the people in that situation seemed so real. I think it has to speak to issues that are already in your mind to scare you. Or maybe society today just doesn't want to think.
post #21 of 25
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By today's standards, it wouldn't be considered scary because almost all of the terror is psychological and that means you have to think to watch it and be scared.

Um, excuse me but I prefer psychological horror and not seeing what the threat is, and I still didn't think this was scary. In fact, I think this was too in your face horror for my tastes. The threat was there, it was obvious, it wasn't like in other movies where you have to wonder "is this all in the hero's head?"

I don't feel The Exorcist was all that subtle. Of course ymmv.

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I'm not saying that nobody uses their brains, just that they prefer to have it there in front of them. That's the reason I find is so amazing that the parking lots at bookstores are always packed, guess the crowd has alot to do with the obligatory coffee shop in most of the stand alone book stores now.
Oh, you just stepped on a major pet peeve of mine....

I hope that you are not implying that the reason I didn't find the exorcist scary was because I didn't think about it, or was incapable of pickign up on any subtleties...

Because if you are I will be forced to send zombies after you.


I may be desensitized to gore, but that's not the same thing as cerebral horror, which is much better. I prefer to think of the Exorcist as a nice blending of the two.

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because of my fear of being controlled, and because the helplessness of the people in that situation seemed so real.
That was one thing the movie does well certainly, and was more effective than the mere "Satan on earth" threat, which I was rather meh about.

The idea of that scared me before I saw the movie.
post #22 of 25
I think it depends on your mindset when you see it. I find psychological terror not to work when you are going in with a strong idea of what is going to happen or at least a strong idea of the concept that goes along with how the movie develops. When I first saw the Exorcist I just turned it on by accident and didn't realize it was the Exorcist for a while. It worked so well on me because I started to watch it thinking it was just some made for sci-fi special, then it cut into some creepy stuff, then I realized it was the exorcist by the time stuff was in full swing and I was really engrossed.

The subtle imagery also creeped me out the most during the movie. Stuff like Reagans face turning into that demons for just one second when the lamp is strobing on and off and the weird sillouhette of some sort of winged demon when she's on her knees as the window lights up really got to me on a very base level.
post #23 of 25
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Um, excuse me but I prefer psychological horror and not seeing what the threat is, and I still didn't think this was scary. In fact, I think this was too in your face horror for my tastes. The threat was there, it was obvious, it wasn't like in other movies where you have to wonder "is this all in the hero's head?"

I don't feel The Exorcist was all that subtle. Of course ymmv.
I have to agree with you here.
post #24 of 25
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I hope that you are not implying that the reason I didn't find the exorcist scary was because I didn't think about it, or was incapable of pickign up on any subtleties...
No, I wasn't implying that. I'm sure everyone has their own reasons for not liking it, it's the reason I think alot of people don't like it.

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because if you are I will be forcerd to send zombies after you.
*thinks about something I heard at Dragoncon* Can that zombie be Tom Savini?!
post #25 of 25
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No, I wasn't implying that. I'm sure everyone has their own reasons for not liking it, it's the reason I think alot of people don't like it.
Glad to hear it. Sorry to be all on the defensive like that, but like I said...Major Pet Peeve.


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*thinks about something I heard at Dragoncon* Can that zombie be Tom Savini?!
Nah, I've already used him and he was no good, got a shotgun right to the head.

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I find psychological terror not to work when you are going in with a strong idea of what is going to happen or at least a strong idea of the concept that goes along with how the movie develops
I suppose I was let down because I was expecting to be scared and well, wasn't.

OTOH, I had the same expectations when I saw Rosemary's Baby and that delivered.

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The subtle imagery also creeped me out the most during the movie.
I like the one where the mom is in the kitchen, the power goes out, and there's a face almost floating behind her....loved that
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