RESIDENT EVIL: APOCALYPSE where's the love - Page 2

No, I'm implying I am a discerning horror fan who is attracted to quality, and am unafraid to speak my mind about it. My opinions are my own and my tastes run along the lines of interesting, intelligent, atypical writing and film making. If that offends you.....well, I can sense I will have great deal of difficulty sleeping tonight because of it.


EOD

So i can't speak?

Oh , Ok , sorry to bother you.

Where's your proof?

ZDR FLAME THREAD! YESS!!

It's on.

Can we cut the shit and try and bring this forum back up from the gutter? This was and still is a great place to post let's not ruin it with all this flaming. Everyone has differing opinions we don't need to go after eachother about them. Keep it intelligent.

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EOD

If you are at all familiar w/ how zombiesdontrun operates, you'll want to quit while you're ahead.


Trust me.

No, I can't say I'm on here enough to know much of the haps, but I must say the topic is becoming old very quickly. When exactly did the chewer board consume CC?

EOD

A friend of mine saw it, and said it was a good action movie, but a less than stellar horror movie.

I for one have not seen it yet, but could it be said that it is an entertaining action/horror movie?

This week-end my love and I are going to the theatres, we finally have a sitter for a few hours and we are wondering which of these movies should we see?

-Sky captain and the world of tomorrow
-RE 2: apocalypse
-Shaun of the Dead

Any insightful advice from fellow chewers?

Definitely Shaun but then RE:2. I didn't really like sky captain and RE wasn't as bad as the people on this board are saying.It was a good action movie and it had some good moments but it wasn't horror.

I don't get it, I'm just here to make friends.

Well Steve-O, what I'm doing is debating. I actually believe in the statements I make and if someone says something I disagree with, my answer is that they are wrong, which is what I believe. It is implied that what I'm doing is stating "I think" this or that statement is true, not stating an empirical fact. Some people get off on conflict and stirring up arguments and so forth just for the fun of it. I'm not one of those. When I post an opinion here, I really believe what I'm saying. The goal is that someone who disagrees will express their point of view and we discuss the issue. This would be impossible if no one believed or was willing to say that someone else is wrong. My only question is how does stating my opinion discredit someone else? I was giving opinions about movies and about SOME PEOPLE in relation to movies, not on the character of the people themselves.

I'm assuming the movie you're referring to is Cabin Fever. I said I really hate it, which is true. I'll tell you why in the spirit of debate:

1.) Each character had one single trait they epitomized: There was the sensitive guy, the sexually liberated woman, the virgin, the party guy.......etc, etc. That's bad writing, and really affects a horror movie in a big way because part of the hook is that you care about a person or group of persons, then something horrible happens to one or all of them, usually with some sense of foreboding or suspence. If the writing doesn't generate empathy or like for the characters, then you see this horrible stuff happening to people you Don't care about and the device becomes shock only. Instead of caring about the welfare of characters, you simply see a mass of violent images with no basis in the heart or mind. It just becomes violent eye candy. If the violent eye candy is really over the top or unprecedented (like say with MANIAC (which I would classify as serious in tone and shockingly violent) or DEAD ALIVE (which I consider to be funny in tone and cartoonish) you can watch it on that level and it's entertaining in that way. Which brings me to my next point.......

2.) Cabin Fever wasn't entertaining in that way. The obvious tone of the gore was meant to be serious, but that leads back to argument number 1 and the fact that I didn't care about the semi-characters enough to impact my emotions. The gore wasn't over the top or anything I hadn't seen before, in fact, I considered it kind of bland. There's nothing you see in Cabin Fever that wasn't attempted in ILSA, SHE WOLF OF THE SS, in tone or appearance, and how many decades ago was that film made?

3.) The director didn't seem to have any idea what he wanted this film to be. It sort of meanders around from 1970's horror cliche to 1970's horror cliche with no rhyme or reason attached to it. It would suggest the work of a director that liked a whole bunch of different ideas and didn't have the ability to see beyond the "oh my gosh, I'm making a horror movie" angle enough to focus. Good for him, bad for me.

4.) I really like horror films, and there is rarely a time when I can't pull at least a handful of scenes that were memorable or in some way interesting out of one of these films. There is only one in this movie for me: the 'sensitive' guy falling into the water onto the festering corpse. Sad thing is, it was interesting to me because Poppy Z. Brite wrote that scene in 1993 in a short story in the collection Swamp Foetus (also released as WORMWOOD by Dell/Abyss in the early to mid 90's). When the only interesting scene in a movie of that length is interesting because you've seen a writer do the same scene and do it better 10 years before, that really says something about the quality of the both the writing and direction of the film. It was just a jumbled mess.

So, that's why I think Cabin Fever is a crappy horror film. If you wish to tell me what it is that you think is good about the movie, by all means do. I'm in here to discuss horror films (and when I'm lucky, horror writing as well). What was it you liked about Cabin Fever?



EOD

i wasnt inferring to cabin fever, i never saw it, i didnt want to, looked dumb

i just kinda meant overall

Saw it last Saturday and I really enjoyed it.

And really that's what truly matters, so if you haven't seen it go and take a gander you might be surprised, then again you might just jump on the bandwagon of hate for this flick.

It's much better than JC II. A movie which this site idolises beyond reason.

Well, it's interesting that we who saw it and didn't like it have opinions that are less valid because afterall we don't really mean we didn't like it, or make an honest assessment of the film and decided against it. Hell no, we're "jumping on the bandwagon of hate". WHEEEEEEE!!!

It wasn't even a horror film, it was an action movie with some zombies and monsters. Glad you enjoyed it, have at it.


EOD

Horror fans are supposed to be tough, you people are arguing like a bunch of pansy ass Romantic Comedy fans.

As for the subject at hand: I have not seen this movie. I hated the first one as a film but I admit that it had some entertainment value as empty meaningless brain candy. I will probably never see this unless I am really bored one day and want to see a mindless action flick.

It seems to me that all the people who are screaming "RE:A is the worst movie EVAR!!!" are too hung up on their Romero worship to accept the fact that a movie can just be a popcorn flick. I say get over it, as much as you may hate to admit it, mindless entertainment is a profitable market and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. No matter how much you may kick and scream and whine and complain about it the fact is that a lot of people like going to movies just for meaningless fun, and you do to sometimes, as much as you hate to admit it. I'd like to point out that this crap Hollywood is churning out all the time is the real source of income for the whole industry, without the hundreds of bad movies we get each year we might never have a really great one to worship. So, I say deal with it. If a movie is obviously a popcorn flick don't go to see it, unless of course, you feel like watching some fun drek.

Edited to add: It's totally understandable if you hated this movie. It looks bad. I just don't understand where this argument is coming from because everyone for the movie seems to be saying "I know it's bad but it's still fun..." while everyone against it is saying "How dare you enjoy a bad movie! How dare you to expect ME, a movie connosieur, to like a bad movie! This cannot happen! I am above the law!" There really isn't anything to argue about since it is a matter of personal opinion. If you like it you like it, if you don't you don't. We all go about our business and pray to see "Freddy VS Jason VS Ash"

Hey don't take it like that.

I did not say or mean to say that anyone opinion was less valid because I liked it. And furthermore I never said it was an instant Horror classic beyond the realm of being called a masterpiece. I just said I liked it.

And yes it is an action movie with Zombies and Monsters and the very lovely Milla who really needs to eat much more.

And that is why I really don’t understand where all this hate towards this movie is coming from. It was a better than average action movie… and even better… it’s with Zombies and Monsters. Ah well, to each his own, I guess!

And BTW I love the game and I still think this game is an action survival game with conspiracy and horror elements

Atleast it wasn't a remake of a romero movie or another classic. It has that going for it.

I believe I'm going to have to take these one by one: I apparently missed the memo that a person has to conform to some rediculous, subjective platitude by some woman (presumably) on a message board to be considered a horror fan. Funny, I always thought liking horror was the defining criterion.

Quotations henceforth are WGOTHU's words of wisdom.

"As for the subject at hand: I have not seen this movie. I hated the first one as a film but I admit that it had some entertainment value as empty meaningless brain candy. I will probably never see this unless I am really bored one day and want to see a mindless action flick".

WTF!?!??! So you came in to discuss a movie you haven't seen and basically put down the people that had and differed in opinion from discussing their varied takes on the movie?

"It seems to me that all the people who are screaming "RE:A is the worst movie EVAR!!!" are too hung up on their Romero worship to accept the fact that a movie can just be a popcorn flick. I say get over it, as much as you may hate to admit it, mindless entertainment is a profitable market and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. No matter how much you may kick and scream and whine and complain about it the fact is that a lot of people like going to movies just for meaningless fun, and you do to sometimes, as much as you hate to admit it. I'd like to point out that this crap Hollywood is churning out all the time is the real source of income for the whole industry, without the hundreds of bad movies we get each year we might never have a really great one to worship. So, I say deal with it. If a movie is obviously a popcorn flick don't go to see it, unless of course, you feel like watching some fun drek."

Thank you Mr. Cronkite for that breakthrough bit of news there, and thanks furthermore for your dominatrix stance, your endless judgmentalism, and most of all, for the wondrous move of coming into a discussion of a movie you haven't even seen in some kind of attempt to 'lay down the law'.

"Edited to add: It's totally understandable if you hated this movie. It looks bad. I just don't understand where this argument is coming from because everyone for the movie seems to be saying "I know it's bad but it's still fun..." while everyone against it is saying "How dare you enjoy a bad movie! How dare you to expect ME, a movie connosieur, to like a bad movie! This cannot happen! I am above the law!" There really isn't anything to argue about since it is a matter of personal opinion. If you like it you like it, if you don't you don't. We all go about our business and pray to see "Freddy VS Jason VS Ash""


So after putting everybody down for stating their opinions about a movie they'd seen, here is your opinion about a movie you haven't seen (and its' predecessor, which you had) using much the same style and "whining, pansy-ass, etc, etc." that you complained about in your first statement. Then you spell out the sides as you see them, saying how silly it is to argue about it.....then you ARGUE ABOUT IT! Some people come on this site to discuss movies, others apparently come on to tell people how stupid they are for discussing them.

As for "against it" side, of which I am a member, I didn't hear anybody talking the pompous crap you're saying whatsoever. People said the movie stank, etc. etc. I didn't hear anyone say they don't see movies for fun, nor put down people who do, nor express a disbelief that people do, nor state "I am above the law", whatever the hell that means. I can say this, for every RESIDENT EVIL sequel that gets made, it's not a step in the direction of another classic being made, as you suggest. Instead, it's a step away. Afterall, if people will sit down and rave about how good a turd on a plate is, how likely is that that the studios will deliver filet mignon?


EOD

It's cool. I can't speak for anyone else on the hate angle, but I can tell my personal opinion: Completely unchallenging, relatively predictable, and just more of the same McMoviemaking. Milla is hot, I agree, but there's another bad but fun movie that is a better vehicle for her: THE FIFTH ELEMENT. It looked better too.

I liked the games too, in fact, quite a bit. Haven't gotten Outbreak yet though.

EOD

I thought it was a big, dumb, guilty pleasure.

It was fun seeing scenes from RE3 come to life. It was cool having Milla re-enact the opening sequence from Code Veronica. They got the lickers right this time, and Nemesis was a classic guy in rubber suit. Cool visuals, crap zombies and editing, nonsense plot. In other words, pretty damn true to the game.

I couldn't stand up for this as a good piece of movie-making, it was just a buzz that left a big smile on my face.

Tomorrow I'm going to see Saw, and expect to get an entirely different sort of satisfaction.

Right. I HAVE seen Resident Evil 2 and I thought it was a steaming pile of cackhole.

I'm not Romero's biggest fan either, so don't start that "Romero obsessive" shit with me.

And all you imbeciles with your "it was just mindless fun" bullshit can step out the way as well. Its only labelled as that because it FAILED.

It's people who like Resident Evil that are the reason why there is no point going to the cinema, or Blockbuster. If you keep excusing phlegm-piles like R.E then things will stay the same.

The R.E games are pretty good and therein lies the problem. The blueprint was there for them and they STILL fucked it up.

I won't forgive the hacks behind R.E because they are innept film-makers and I don't have the time or patience. There are actually some damn fine movies out there, so why settle for less?

So, fuck it, I blame R.E fans for the current state of cinema. Bet you all thought Van Helsing was ok as well. "It was just a bit of harmless eyecandy! Hee, hee".

Anyway. I hope you are all well...

Cackhole being a bad thing right...


That's alright; I like the present state of cinema. Except for all the PC crap & no, I for one did not enjoy VH, but I did enjoy AVP, & I didn't like JC or JC II, but I love The Thing, & I hate the leprechaun series, but I love Jaws, & I hate Dawn of the Mummies, but I love Halloween I, II & III, & I hate Children of the living dead, but I love Return of the Living Dead and I could go on and on and on….


I still consider myself a horror fan with my own taste and preferences and that's all, so why can we just get along like somewhat civilised people?

And yes I am fine thanks for asking, about yourself

First of all that aint sayin much. The only reason JCII got the coverage it did on the corner was becasue Ryan Rotten worked for that homo Silva on the film. I don't remember too many other board members liking it. I hated it. It seemed to be made so Silva can use it to get off on.

What's JC?

I thought Van Helsing was one of the worst movies ever made, and AVP stunk like old socks. I just have a soft spot for the RE movies. I understand why people don't like them and wouldn't argue the point. The fact is, I think thnk they're fun. Sue me.

I hate all superhero movies. I thought Hellboy stunk the place up & spiderman 2 was cliche beyond belief. Those films are loved around here in fanboy city, but I think that THEY are the scourge of the movie industry. It's all subjective.

Sorry, Jeepers Creepers I and II.

I didn't like Spiderman II as well.