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post #1 of 154
Thread Starter 
It's inevitable.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...ca/medium.html

Cracked me up before RE:A played, puppets infused with drama is great.
post #2 of 154
This is going to be landmark in its awesomeness. Definitely one of the most memorable films of the 00's, if nothing else.
post #3 of 154
Will this become the most "controversial" movie of the year? It will be in the running, along with Farenheit 9/11.
post #4 of 154
Looks like a lot of fun to me. I wonder if we're going to get any puppet noodz.
post #5 of 154
Agreed - Stone and Parker are some hilarious cats. I love how they truly don't give a f$%^ what anyone thinks, and I hope to be pleasantly offended by Team America.

Puppet Kim Jong Il playing piano = Hysterical


P.S. Has anyone heard about some clip that leaked on one of those file sharing programs? Somebody on IMDB said there is a clip floating around
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post #7 of 154
hollywoodreporter's Kirk Honeycutt, who hates Fahrenheit 9/11, posted a bad review for Team America.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr..._id=1000663352
post #8 of 154
Variety's review
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...&categoryid=31

Posted: Sat., Oct. 9, 2004, 6:30pm PT

Team America: World Police

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By BRIAN LOWRY
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Anyone who saw "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut" knows that Trey Parker and Matt Stone revel in milking every ounce out of an "R" rating, as well as bludgeoning jokes into the ground. It's no surprise, then, that "Team America: World Police" goes the extra mile to piss off everybody -- which includes gleefully destroying renowned Hollywood liberals, literally and figuratively. All told, the clever visual bits and hilarious songs don't entirely compensate for the many flat or beyond-over-the-top spells. Still, in an election season ripe for parody, pic could offer a tonic to youthful cynics unlikely to gag on its pungency.
The MPAA has certainly done its part to help market the film: The a tussle to avoid an "NC-17" rating for sex involving genitalia-free puppets generated plenty of publicity. The truth is it's hard to imagine the debated scene being much more acrobatic than it is, but that won't prevent the unrated DVD from being a hot commodity.

Always fond of toppling sacred cows, Parker and Stone score big points for the sheer audacity of tackling the war on terror using two-foot-tall puppets that resemble the marionettes on "Thunderbirds" -- and they manage to spoof the conventions of Bruckheimer-produced action yarns in the process.

Still, the challenge of mixing political satire with being as lewd and crude as possible represents a balancing act that the duo has never fully mastered. In "South Park," they create enough genuinely funny moments to obscure (especially for a core audience that appreciates immaturity) creative deficiencies and a commitment to excess that's more apparent here.

"Team America" certainly opens well, as the elite terrorism-fighting unit housed in Mt. Rushmore goes after a gang of bad guys in Paris, destroying global landmarks with an appalling lack of concern. The face-off includes a riotous martial arts fight where the puppets (whose strings are always visible) bounce around a lot but never really strike each other.

With one of their number lost in that operation, the group recruits an actor named Gary (currently starring in "Lease: The Musical") to infiltrate the terrorist organization. At the same time, however, this move unsettles relationships on the team.

Meanwhile, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il (like Gary voiced by Parker, in a manner that won't win many friends among Asian-American groups) plots his own diabolical scheme. His quest for global domination hinges on manipulating the Film Actors Guild (an acronym that's funny, maybe, the first three times, but not the next three dozen) to lobby for peace, with Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins and Martin Sheen among those not-so-gently lampooned.

Clearly, Parker and Stone (who wrote the script with Pam Brady, another "South Park" producer) have soaked in the action genre, yet much of their parody hews so closely to the real thing that the pic goes relatively long stretches without laughs.

Periodically, the songs come to the rescue. As in the "South Park" feature, the songs deliver the movie's biggest highlights. Atop the song list sits the stirring, embarrassingly catchy anthem "America, F**k Yeah," which repeats in much the way the theme of the old "He-Man" animated series was trotted out each time the protagonist underwent his superheroic metamorphosis.

Inasmuch as they occasionally speak through "South Park's" Cartman character, whose memorable phrases include "Democrats piss me off," it shouldn't come as a shock that the left fares a bit worse than the right here, though a climactic speech skewers both. And while seeing Michael Moore obliterated doubtless will amuse more than just the filmmaker's harshest detractors, it's reasonable to ask how many stars (or marionette imitations of them) have to be torn asunder before the audience gets the point.

At a more fundamental level, "Team America" is a true technical achievement, recreating a dizzying array of sets and costumes at one-third scale and clearly having plenty of fun doing so -- down to using housecats as stand-ins for terrifying panthers.

In a sense, Parker and Stone's latest foray unwittingly provides the perfect metaphor for their work: While there are moments to like, they invariably come with strings attached.
post #9 of 154
Thread Starter 
love that all the scenes where he think things over is filmed very cheap what wth the grain.

that and the tombs are bigger than him.
post #10 of 154

Fidelio Reviews Team America: It’s so Vulgar It’s Censored

Fidelio’s review of Team America: World Police, the new film from the creators of South Park, is so vulgar and full of filthy unpatriotic, unholy language, that we were forced by the M.F.F.P. to censor it:

America, Puppet Sex, and the F.A.G.: %&*# Yeah!

“In the time of Fahrenheit 9/11 and a very divided nation, Team America is a very pro-USA, pro-conservative film. However Parker and Stone do criticize the conservatives by admitting that they are %&*# their opponents %&*#, and the terrorists %&*#—how the %&*# are always trying to %&*# the %&*#; and how sometimes the %&*# want to %&*# the %&*# as well. But their point is, no matter what, all the %&*# can do is %&*# all over the %&*# and %&*#.”

Read the full review, uncensored at:
Fidelio’s Film Central: http://www.geocities.com/fidelio1st/film.htm


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post #11 of 154
What a couple of dumbasses. Isn't their 15 minutes up yet?
post #12 of 154
I love when reviewers are going to pretend to be shocked when they see a movie by Matt & Trey call Team America: World Police. I mean, really, these guys having been doing the same shtick for what, ten years now? Fuck, if you haven't realized what the deal is with these two by now then you should be bludgeoned with you mother’s placenta.
post #13 of 154
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I love when reviewers are going to pretend to be shocked when they see a movie by Matt & Trey call Team America: World Police. I mean, really, these guys having been doing the same shtick for what, ten years now? Fuck, if you haven't realized what the deal is with these two by now then you should be bludgeoned with you mother’s placenta.
I'm not sure if you were talking about my review or not, but you have to read what I said very carefully:

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Fidelio’s review...is so vulgar and full of filthy unpatriotic, unholy language, that we were forced by the M.F.F.P. to censor it:
I.E. it's the review itself that is vulgar.

Anyhow, as much as I like the idea of being bludgeoned with you mother’s placenta, I think I'll pass.
post #14 of 154
I would, if it were not for the dead link and an undecipherable amount of symbols used in the summary. Besides yourself, this was an open ended call at those more prestigious names in the review biz. I can see tonnes of people slamming this flick simply because they watched it at face value, not tuning into the blatant pool of satire it really is.
post #15 of 154
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are Republicans.........
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C40820%2C00.html

So it is not very surprise that the left does fare a little worse than the right in this movie.


(I will still watch this movie no matter what.)
post #16 of 154
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Originally Posted by chans
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are Republicans.........
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C40820%2C00.html

It probably depends on the audience and situation. In the last Rolling Stone interview, they sort of implied that they're collectively non-partisan. They probably won't vote, assuming that if they did, one of their votes would cancel out the other's, anyway.
post #17 of 154
They're a couple of uninformed, uneducated assholes. For the last 3 seasons of South Park they have done nothing but Bash Democrats and liberals (their episode about stem cell research was so far off the mark as to not be funny) and they are out of their league when doing political commentary. I am an independent conservative, and the left needs to be trashed every now and then. But Trey has done it ad nauseum, making SP and no TA:WP his soapbox. That would be okay if it weren't being passed off as non partisan entertainment.

THeir social commentary is hilarious! Trey has a true gift for musical comedy and social satire, but they are going to alienate ALOT of their fans on the left with this. And they have offended at least one right leaning (fiscal conservative) libertarian here.

I love the first 4 or so seasons of SP, adore SP: B,L,U and put my Cannibal DVD in the player whenever an uninitiated visits my house. I am a fan. But they need to stick to what they know.
post #18 of 154
Assholes maybe, but I'd wager they're as informed and educated as most of the folks they're lampooning. Ultimately, I just think they like get a rise out of people and often the best way to do it is to pick a hot topic and denigrate those that are most vocal about it. Quite often those people tend to be celebrities and quite often they tend to be Democrats. I won't deny that they certainly lean to the conservative side, but amidst a sea of conservative satire, it differentiates itself. I'm sure that doesn't go unnoticed by Parker and Stone. It's interesting that it got a big movie studio to put it out though as harsh as it is on celebs and their "opinions". I wonder if it will negatively effect an projects Paramount has going?

In related news, apparently Sean Penn is pissed about the movie too.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=120355350&p=yzx356x56
post #19 of 154
"You had me at dicks and assholes."

I nearly shed a tear. This film was beautiful.

The Michael Bay song is perfect.
post #20 of 154
Oh. My. :censor: . God!

No, strike that, God has nothing to do with it. Those SouthPark boys have struck again. I can just see them having a laugh riot over the fact that the MPAA Board had to watch this movie with marionettes having sex 9 times. I laugh with them.

It's an awful story. It's stupid. It's too long. The humor is gross and doesn't hit the mark all the time. That said: I laughed until my sides actually hurt. Does this mean I'm going to go to hell? Probably.

Some points to ponder and there will be SPOILERS:


Spoiler Space:





*Film Actors Guild. Yes it's is abbreviated F.A.G. and is prominently used. There is just something so funny seeing the worlds Alec Baldwin, F.A.G. that strikes me as funny as hell.

*Marionette sex. I'm not a prude. I love Sex In the City. I blushed. I lost count at the numerous positions around 9 or 10 or was it 11. I actually got uncomfortable and I have no idea why. It's wooden puppets for goodness sake and they don't have the male/female parts!

*I didn't think it was possible for a marionette movie to be gory. They managed. I laughed again. Cat usage was great.

*Seeing Susan Sarandon explode was somehow extremely funny in a totally sick way.

*Watching them blow up an AMC Theatre was actually really funny.

*They certainly don't appreciate Michael Bay nor the movie Pearl Harbor and well Ben Affleck in that movie. That song is one of my favorites.

*What did Liv Tyler ever do to them? I figured the reasons for Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon but I didn't get Tyler.

*The stirring speech about Dicks, Pussy's and Assholes is simply funny.

*The Montage Song. Really any and all of their songs must be listened too very carefully for the lyrics.

*WMD's.

*The North Korean dictator singing the song Lonely.

I can't deny this is a sick movie. I also can't deny that I laughed out loud a lot. I also can't recommend it to anyone else. You go on your own terms.
post #21 of 154
You've got a very sophisticated sense of humor.
post #22 of 154
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Originally Posted by Ugly Goblin Boy
I would, if it were not for the dead link and an undecipherable amount of symbols used in the summary. Besides yourself, this was an open ended call at those more prestigious names in the review biz. I can see tonnes of people slamming this flick simply because they watched it at face value, not tuning into the blatant pool of satire it really is.
Ladies and gentlemen, a man slamming reviews that have not yet been written for a film he has not yet seen.
post #23 of 154
Why am I not surprised to find out that Parker and Stone are Republicans....
post #24 of 154
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Originally Posted by Key Chung
Why am I not surprised to find out that Parker and Stone are Republicans....
I don't think they ever came out and deliberately said they were Republicans.
post #25 of 154
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Originally Posted by billylove
I don't think they ever came out and deliberately said they were Republicans.
No, I'm sure someone else "outed" them...
post #26 of 154
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Originally Posted by Key Chung
Why am I not surprised to find out that Parker and Stone are Republicans....
Blah, blah, blah. Supposedly it should have nothing to do with it...or so I'm told...
post #27 of 154
Same rules for liberal actors and directors: Who cares?

I don't care if the film leans right as long as it's funny or creative.
post #28 of 154
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
Same rules for liberal actors and directors: Who cares?

I don't care if the film leans right as long as it's funny or creative.
Bingo...
post #29 of 154
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Originally Posted by CTDeLude
Blah, blah, blah. Supposedly it should have nothing to do with it...or so I'm told...
Actually, the point of my post was that I had an feeling they leaned conservative based on their chosen targets of ridicule. That, and the fact they're from Colorado. Don't get me wrong, i think they're funny as shit. I'm actually a pretty big fan of their stuff. They just seem to especially relish in picking on liberals.
post #30 of 154
Only for the last three years. Trey can suck my cock. He's a genius, but he can suck my cock. He is doing the same thing he hates the Hollywood liberals for. using his profile and status to air his political beliefs.
post #31 of 154
Funny stuff. Or at least, I thought it was. The puppets having sex was hysterical and too too short a scene. And the puking scene was great. I had tears in my eyes for 5 minutes all during the scene. And the songs were spectacular as well. "America...FUCK YEAH!" Just silly, stupid fun. Just seeing the desert chase scene was awesome. Any home movie you made with your model cars and Meco super hero figures, this is the movie for you. And above and beyond any content, the sets and puppets looked awesome. They did a great job with all of it. And I'm somewhat saddened to say, some of the "blowup" scenes look better than some I've seen in recent Hollywood action flicks. Great flick, with lots of memorable lines. Can't wait to see it again. "You had me at dicks fuck assholes..."
post #32 of 154
Definitely a funny film, but it's no Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. The first half is so good that the second has no chance of maintaining the momentum, then it just mostly repeats jokes from the first that just aren't as funny (with the exception of what Gary has to do to prove his loyalty).

Oddly enough, some of the bits that proved most provocative in this thread came off as really lame and toothless on the screen. "I'm so Ronery"? Yeah, he does the stereotypical mispronounciation of the Ls as Rs, but that's it. It's one of the least funny songs in the film, and Kim Jong is just a way less funny Cartman. The liberal bashing? Should've been way more savage. Definitely a case of Parker and Stone falling into the speechifying trap they hate liberals doing in their movies so much. If anything, the gags against Toby Keith ("Freedom Isn't Free" is the best thing since Life itself) and America's mindset these days were way funnier - and all in the first part of the film.

But these aren't dealbreakers. It's a good, funny film but it's every bit as obvious as BL&U was subversive.
post #33 of 154
Yeah - the first half is so funny. But it totally runs out of steam. Parker and Stone end up relying on the destruction of the celebrity puppets to float the flick, and it just gets boring.
post #34 of 154
The best part out of the second half was Kim Jong Il's pet panthers. And if you watch the trailers there are many great looking bits that seem to have been taken out entirely, especially from the finale.

I did love the Kim Jong song at the end of the credits though. Wish I could remember enough to quote it.
post #35 of 154
Misfire. Some funny stuff to be sure, but the attack on Hollywood lefties was imbecilic. I'd say about 2/3rds was good but the bad was just so bad, unfunny and pandering to bigots.
post #36 of 154
For the people who've seen it...

Have Parker and Stone really shown where thier politics lie with this one?

Do any of you see this film turning off some of their leftie fans?
post #37 of 154
I think that'd be silly. I would love the leftie skewering if it were creative or funny. But come on. Michael Moore's fat and he eats a lot...oh, the hilarity! That's all they could come up with? And saying that liberal actors just repeat things they read and want peace whenever at all possible? Wow...what a biting critique.

Contrast that with the subtle and actually funny skewering of America's arrogance right now in the way that Team America triumphantly destroys much of the world's historical landmarks and glibly dismisses it with "I missed" while the people living in those countries stand flabbergasted at the destruction. Doesn't stop the movie cold. Isn't uber-obvious. And that's funny.
post #38 of 154
The movie earned so much good-will with me through the songs, the destruction of other countries, and the perfect-parody of Bruckheimer flicks, that the softer jokes like F.A.G. and poking fun at celebrities didn't really bother me that much.

I'm surprised that people aren't crazy about it. I loved the hell out of it, but I am curious as to how it's gonna hold up on repeat viewings.
post #39 of 154
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
I think that'd be silly. I would love the leftie skewering if it were creative or funny. But come on. Michael Moore's fat and he eats a lot...oh, the hilarity! That's all they could come up with? And saying that liberal actors just repeat things they read and want peace whenever at all possible? Wow...what a biting critique.

Contrast that with the subtle and actually funny skewering of America's arrogance right now in the way that Team America triumphantly destroys much of the world's historical landmarks and glibly dismisses it with "I missed" while the people living in those countries stand flabbergasted at the destruction. Doesn't stop the movie cold. Isn't uber-obvious. And that's funny.
I wonder if rightwing conservatives had the exact opposite reaction (celeb jokes were hilarious and 'US as bully' jokes are tired and cliche).
post #40 of 154
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Originally Posted by durvasa
I wonder if rightwing conservatives had the exact opposite reaction (celeb jokes were hilarious and 'US as bully' jokes are tired and cliche).
The only part I can see more right-leaning folks getting upset about *SPOILER* is the montage where Gary visits a bunch of monuments in D.C., including the Vietnam wall, and a military cemetary. But's it just so funny seeing a puppet in these dramatic poses by a tombstone, or touching the wall, it might not bother them that much.*END SPOILER*

"May I introduce...AREC BARWIN!"
post #41 of 154
I can't complain. The movie is funny as hell. It's true that the third act relies heavily on Feebles-style puppet carnage and that the celebrity bashing gets a little old (there's only so many ways you can say they're self-important morons), but there's still quality gags in it up to the end ("Let me tell you what kind of man Gary is..."). There's enough gold in Team America to redeem a comparatively weaker tail.

So screw the politicizing and which side got bashed more. Liberal and conservative ninnies with their score cards can stay home and keep their tired shit to political forums. It mostly works as a satire and it's dead-on as a parody of Bruckheimer action flicks. It follows the Bruckheimer template down to the last detail, and I thought it worked great. Team America isn't going to shake the planet, but it's a quality comedy and perfectly solid entry along with Parker's other films.
post #42 of 154
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Originally Posted by durvasa
I wonder if rightwing conservatives had the exact opposite reaction (celeb jokes were hilarious and 'US as bully' jokes are tired and cliche).
I guess this is subtly implying that bexcause I lean left I don't find humor that makes fun of left-leaners funny? Or maybe not so subtly.

Either way, nope. I just gave you a detailed example of the differences between the two. In fact, I specifically said I wanted the left-leaning jokes to be harsher and way more biting.

Let me elaborate on my example. They have a song "Freedom isn't Free" that's a hilarious paroday of Toby Keith-style oppourtnistic, country jingo bullshit. They don't have to call him by name or have a puppet of him. And it's in the background while a bunch of other funny shit is going on, so it's done pretty subtly. It's creative. It's not obvious. It's done so low-key and earnestly, that I'm sure some country fans would embrace the hell out of it if they heard it on contemporary country radio. And it totally keeps the flow of the movie going and enhances the scene.

By contrast, the Hollywood actor stuff stops the movie near-cold. The voices of the puppets don't match the real actors at all. None of them have any distinctive characteristics, so it's just 15 versions of the same joke. And while I can understand the skewering of Danny Glover, Tim Robbins, and Alec Baldwin, why on earth are Matt Damon, Liv Tyler, and Samuel L. Jackson in there? They serve no purpose. They aren't funny. And the repeating Matt Damon gag, while amusingly cruel, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It'd be the equivalent of the South Park guys doing something on Bush's whole cabinet, but they all have the same lame, non-applicable voices and act just alike. A real satirist would find specific things to hit them on or simply realize they're all the same character and just go with one or two of them. It's just dumb.

And I'm sure Michael Moore will probably laugh at the feeble treatment more than anything. I've seen web parodies of him that were funnier. A third grade kid could call him fat and says he eats a lot. AND? Do a parody of his sometimes cloying narration in his films. Do a parody of his Oscar speech. Do SOMETHING specific to the man.
post #43 of 154
See I thought the Hollywood bashing nearly destroyed the film. The point of satire is to comically mock people for who they are, and to suggest that all these people would essentially become terrorists was offensive. The destruction at the begining was funny because it suggests an amusing commentary on both the state of the world and the Bruckheimer mentality, but having Michael Moore do what he did in the film just isn't particularly creative or accurate or funny.
post #44 of 154
This will be getting a very warm review from me.
post #45 of 154
So this is a republican website. Good to know.
post #46 of 154
This site is neither Demo or Repub. Which is why it's great.
post #47 of 154
Posting a very warm review of a movie that mercilessly and ineptly bashes liberals would indicate otherwise. Or maybe your sense of humor is just that of a fourteen year old, and I'm seeing a political bias where there isnt one.
post #48 of 154
No one loves Alec Baldwin more than me. Anyone who knows me is aware of this. Alec is the biggest target in the film. I don't give a fuck. It's entertainment. If you go to the movies for your political opinions or if you choose what you see based on your agenda, I have no time for you.
post #49 of 154
One of the best lines in the film: "I can't beat Alec Baldwin! He's the greatest actor of all-time!"

Nick's right. This film isn't liberal or conservative (and neither is South Park as anyone who watches that show knows).
post #50 of 154
Trey and Matt said ALec called up after he heard he was going to be in the movie, wanting to do his own voice. They said they got someone better.
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