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post #1 of 216
9/11/04 at 8:29pm
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Eh....

I read the Rock (first choice would be Bruce Campbell) was gonna star in DOOM and thought "Nice."
then read who was sittin in the director's chair and ....... eehhh...

this movie is gonna blow. I say give it to Paul "Event Horizon" Anderson.... and full-heartedly mean it. Imagine something like this in the hands of Fincher or Cronenberg or Takeshi Miike.

The Rock deserves better. And frankly... so do we.
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post #2 of 216
9/11/04 at 8:56pm
so just who did you read was sitting in the director's chair?
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post #3 of 216
9/11/04 at 11:54pm
Couldn't agree more with Dave's take on it. Fuck Bartowiak.. Any director that wastes Jet Li and makes piss poor films can go suck a giraffe. The Rock's career won't be going anywhere it looks like.
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post #4 of 216
9/12/04 at 12:22am
It's a shame because I think the Rock has a lot of potential, and I'm not even a fan of wrestling. Welcome to the Jungle/The Rundown was a suprisingly good film.
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post #5 of 216
9/12/04 at 12:24am
Paul Verhoven is the only director who could do this justice.
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post #6 of 216
9/12/04 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by Colt45
Paul Verhoven is the only director who could do this justice.
I HATE Starship Troopers, but if Verhoeven was on point, I could see that.

It's still a videogame movie though, they're all destined to be terrible.
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post #7 of 216
9/12/04 at 2:57am
For The Rock's sake, I hope this turns out alright.
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post #8 of 216
9/12/04 at 4:30am
Where the hell is Verhoven these days anyway, I don't recall any of his films since Hollow Man.
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post #9 of 216
9/12/04 at 6:05am
Isn't Verhoeven doing a WWII film in Netherlands? I think I read about it somewhere a while back.
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post #10 of 216
9/12/04 at 8:42am
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000682/
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post #11 of 216
9/12/04 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell
Good to see that he's back home doing stuff that will hopefully matter.
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post #12 of 216
9/12/04 at 4:55pm
And the movie-video game genre continues to suck.
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post #13 of 216
9/12/04 at 6:23pm
Seems like this should be the video game movie starring The Rock that John Woo should be attached to.
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post #14 of 216
9/12/04 at 7:01pm
but really what was the last GOOD movie that had John Woo's name on it?

I agree about Andrzej Bartkowiak though anybody who could have a fight between Jet Li and Mark Dacascos suck should not be given action films.
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post #15 of 216
9/12/04 at 9:55pm
I can't wait for Anthony Anderson to play a comic relief imp in this!
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post #16 of 216
9/13/04 at 8:35am
Doom is a game about one man on his own vs hordes of evil critters, so i assume they are going to add more charaters to the mix? something tells me this wont translate well to film
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post #17 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:16am
I'm sure Bartkowiak will deliver a film that LOOKS good -- The guy's been a DP forever. But the closest thing on his filmography to the look of what this film should be is Species. That's a little troubling.

So far Proyas is the best suggestion I've heard. This movie really needed a horror and/or FX guy. Or someone who can at least capture the mood, which is what this film will need. I sorta wish Christophe Gans was doing this instead of Silent Hill. Even someone like Marcus Nispel or Zach Snyder would be better. Mathieu Kassovitz. Hell, even Eli Roth. But apparently they just want to deliver a straightforward action movie. With shitty wire-work.
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post #18 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Dave Davis
I'm sure Bartkowiak will deliver a film that LOOKS good -- The guy's been a DP forever.
Not a very good one though, and he's an even worse director.
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post #19 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:52am
I have as much hate as anyone for Bartokiwak after he screwed up the fight scenes in TWO Jet Li movies and one Sensei film, but Doom isn't a martial arts movie. And after seeing all of his Silver movies, I have to admit that Bartokiwak knows how to competently direct shootouts and chases, and he knows how to film low light situations really stylishly. Both skills would likely come in handy for a Doom movie.

If they were going to go B-list, they should've just gone with the guy who directed The Relic & The Musketeer, though. Would've saved them a bundle on sets. Just need a few "tech" walls.. the rest would be in pitch black darkness anyway.
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post #20 of 216
9/13/04 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by reverse_viagra
If they were going to go B-list, they should've just gone with the guy who directed The Relic & The Musketeer, though.
Peter Hyams (who also serves as DP on his own movies).
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post #21 of 216
9/13/04 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by reverse_viagra
Just need a few "tech" walls.. the rest would be in pitch black darkness anyway.
Speaking of Pitch Black, Twohy would've been a decent choice as well.
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post #22 of 216
9/13/04 at 10:59am

Verhoeven.

Second the thought of Verhoeven.

His return to the land of the Dutch is fantastic. Check out The Fourth Man, a tight little precursor to Basic Instinct with numerous Hitchcock and Bergman references. Plus Jeroen Krabbe`s cock. Which may not be a good thing. Anyway, all is good.

`Barworziack`.....whatever.
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post #23 of 216
9/13/04 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Lil'Otik
Alex Proyas should direct this.
Bingo. DOOM the game has never been deep, has no real chracters or anything...but it's a concept that screams for someone with a real eye and knack at storytelling to go at it. Make it something special. Enough of just settling for just run-of-the-mill, lowest-common-denomenator directors who can make pretty pictures but little else. Until we finally get a video game adaptation with some genuine filmmakers attached, we'll continue to have to acknowledge Mortal Kombat as the only halfway-competent video game movie.
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post #24 of 216
9/13/04 at 11:22am
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Proyas would bend to the Hollywood rules of film making a bit too much...
Verhoeven isn't a bad choice... though ultimately, I don't trust him.

I say Fincher. Fincher damnit! Alas, it won't happen but still...
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post #25 of 216
9/13/04 at 2:23pm
fincher? proyas? look at the subject matter for god's sake..

the only director mentioned thus far who could really deliver the requisite violence and action with some interesting tongue in cheek satire is Verhoeven. He could raise a property as simple minded as this to something interesting. Fincher and Proyas? they'd scoff at the offer.
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post #26 of 216
9/13/04 at 2:23pm
Fincher would be an inspired choice. Too bad Norrington screwed up with LXG he'd be good for this based on his work on the first Blade film.
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post #27 of 216
9/13/04 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by ferriferous foodi
fincher? proyas? look at the subject matter for god's sake..

the only director mentioned thus far who could really deliver the requisite violence and action with some interesting tongue in cheek satire is Verhoeven. He could raise a property as simple minded as this to something interesting. Fincher and Proyas? they'd scoff at the offer.
in the same way Verhoeven took Hollowman from a simple minded project and turned it into something interesting. He could perhaps elevate DOOM with some tasty satire the way he did with Showgirls.

please

David "alien3, se7en, fight club" Fincher.

Satire, check. Violence and action, check. Gritty -dark humor, CHECK.

Love it.
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post #28 of 216
9/13/04 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by ferriferous foodi
fincher? proyas? look at the subject matter for god's sake..

the only director mentioned thus far who could really deliver the requisite violence and action with some interesting tongue in cheek satire is Verhoeven. He could raise a property as simple minded as this to something interesting. Fincher and Proyas? they'd scoff at the offer.
At a standard brainless Alien clone, which is what this will most probably become, yes. But imagine, if you will, someone who took the concept of DOOM and ran with it. The potential for a great, compelling and truely thrilling sci-fi/horror mix is there--yeah, it's a shoot-em up with monsters, but the idea behind it could be elevated to something special. I doubt anyone running this show cares enough to look for it, though, and it's because there's that "it's just a video game" mentality that we've yet to have a true hit-one-out-of-the-park video game adaptation.

With a good developed screenwriter on board and some sensible producers, I can see Proyas or Fincher being interested. What that would take, however, is faith on everyone's part on the scale of Superman.
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post #29 of 216
9/13/04 at 3:40pm
A horror film chocked to the brim with demons and zombies and NO ONE recommends George Romero to direct it?
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post #30 of 216
9/13/04 at 3:47pm
Romero hasn't made a watchable movie in 15 years. We might as well recommend John Carpenter.
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post #31 of 216
9/13/04 at 3:49pm
Hell yes you damn well better recommend John Carpenter!
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post #32 of 216
9/13/04 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by cyberwaste
in the same way Verhoeven took Hollowman from a simple minded project and turned it into something interesting. He could perhaps elevate DOOM with some tasty satire the way he did with Showgirls.

please

David "alien3, se7en, fight club" Fincher.

Satire, check. Violence and action, check. Gritty -dark humor, CHECK.

Love it.
Yeah, but Verhoeven is the one who successfully integrated all of those things into a SINGLE movie while still creating work that the mall crowd could enjoy as fast-paced "general entertainment." Heck, most of his films are like that. Any Fincher films like that? Not yet.
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post #33 of 216
9/13/04 at 4:41pm
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Mighty Fincher needs not cater to the negative-I.Q. mall crowds with "general entertainment"...
Mighty Fincher has not made shitter....
and...
Mighty Fincher has more Magic Points than Ver-HO-ven. Nyah!
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post #34 of 216
9/13/04 at 5:34pm
Think about the video game. It's nothing but a mindless frag fest with creepy music and monsters. Fun as shit though... Fincher? Nope. He's far too HEAVY for this movie. He'd turn it into some psuedo-Hitchcokian space opera. Proyas? Hahahahahaha. No.

Verhoven is perfect. Just the right ammount of fetishized violent sensibility, black humor and visual panache (without going overboard, ala pre-vis-til-I-drop Fincher). Fincher is too much of a go to guy for everything dark.

This need be nothing but a classy B-action movie, ala Total Recall. And Verhoven likes using wide lenses, the default lens of a video game.
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post #35 of 216
9/13/04 at 7:47pm
That's assuming Verhoeven still has another Total Recall in him. Regarding his output in the last decade, I'd venture that's a "no".

As far as the game being mindless--this is true, but why the fuck do we have to constantly settle for dumb as shit movies simply because it's not drawing on a rich source material? Look what's been done with Blade--a 15th teir comic book character that enjoyed a small cult following got transformed into something way more than its source material. All it took was someone who saw the potential in the idea, and a roundly competent director.
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post #36 of 216
9/13/04 at 8:31pm
Doom is a concept that, in the right hands, could easily be on par with Aliens or The Thing. If the studio spent the money to develop a good script that truly fleshed out the Rock's character and made the audience root for him for more reasons than just to see him frag more monsters, but actually want him to escape alive, then this movie has hope. If it is minimalist with sets and technical distractions, keeping it dark and claustrophobic and tense, then this movie has hope. If, though the majority of the film is the Rock by himself without stock supporting characters, he runs into coworkers who have fearfully barricaded themselves in or are also trying to escape, the script gives them more than forced exposition lines and they are played by talented actors and not piss-poor no-namers, then this movie has a hope. If the action scenes consist of more than the Rock blasting away at globs of CG, then this movie has a hope.

Will any of these things happen? Most likely not. This movie doesn't have a fucking hope.
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post #37 of 216
9/13/04 at 8:45pm
Speaking of Blade, why not Del Toro as director?
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post #38 of 216
9/13/04 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by cyberwaste
in the same way Verhoeven took Hollowman from a simple minded project and turned it into something interesting. He could perhaps elevate DOOM with some tasty satire the way he did with Showgirls.
Not sure I get you there, Hollow Man was "interesting" for a good 45min...and then the fall.

Verhoeven attempted to pass Showgirls off as a satire after it blew up in his face.

I love Robocop, and Total Recall, but to be honest, I don't believe I'd go to see a film called Robocop today (although I'll be seeing a film called Batman, so what the hell do I know). I really don't see anyone doing an outright, insanely violent satire in the U.S. for quite some time; it's not passe, it's just dangerous in our current conservative atmosphere.

Tarantino pretty much got away with it because he's "TARANTINO", Verhoeven hasn't been "VERHOEVEN" in a good long while.

I'm kind of shocked right now, this is about a videogame movie and I usually leave this stuff be, guess the Verhoeven Factor got me going.
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post #39 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:25pm
See this is interesting but frankly I think Verhoeven has never been close to Robocop since. That was his peak and apex. Total Recall had its moments but it failed as did many other of his works. The man makes an interesting film but he seems bored and he'd be even more bored with Doom. He's not right for the material. I'd rather see Raimi go back to his horror roots and give it a try but lets face it this would be more action than script so we'll never get that kind of talented older filmmaker. Thus why we have the studio junk monkey Bartowiak directing.
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post #40 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:35pm
I'd like to see what John McTiernan could do with this movie.
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post #41 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by Stormin
I'd like to see what John McTiernan could do with this movie.
The same thing he's been doing since The Hunt For Red October...nothing.
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post #42 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:43pm
If the script was half way inspired and the studio left McTiernan alone (13th Warrior anyone?) then i'd like to see it. Frankly though he hasn't been at top form since the big 3 (Predator, Die Hard, THFRO).
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post #43 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
The same thing he's been doing since The Hunt For Red October...nothing.
Eh Die Hard 3 and 13th Warrior weren't too shabby. Still you're pretty much right.
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post #44 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:49pm
The 13th Warrior is my all-time favorite guilty pleasure, and even its biggest detractors can admit it has nuggets of brilliance. Just watch some of the darker scenes, especially in the caves, and it isn't to hard to see McTiernan doing a kickass Doom.
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post #45 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:52pm
Actually thats a good point Stormin. I own 13th and enjoy it as well. I'd really like to see McTiernan's cut of it though.
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post #46 of 216
9/13/04 at 9:56pm
Damn fuckin' straight. But the day we get a special edition of what has become Touchstone's most maligned and abused red-headed stepchild of a flick is the day Hell freezes over.
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post #47 of 216
9/13/04 at 10:06pm
You never know. Studios like cashing in with different cuts so who knows.
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post #48 of 216
9/13/04 at 10:30pm
God, I hope so.



So anyways, Doom Doom yeah Doom...
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post #49 of 216
9/13/04 at 11:02pm
Actually Show Girls was more Joe Eszterhas' fault than Verhoven.... Paul shot Joe's script for the most part which was AWFUL. Paul didn't really bring much to the table.

At the end of the day, Doom isn't Alien. The imps are stupid looking monsters, not really scary like Geiger's magnificent creation... the fright of the video game came more from the atmosphere, music, low ammo, etc, so that will need to be translated to the movie.
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post #50 of 216
9/14/04 at 1:48am

Stop Making Crappy VG Movies

Seriously, i'm getting sick of video game movie's sucking, i wish the studios would just leave well enough alone. I don't know if i'll ever see the day when they actually make something that isn't a complete pile of shit.
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