DOOM film discussion - Page 2

ok, wait a minute.
do you know something about Doom that i don't?

youre not the first to mention the supposed "uber-potential" of this property in the "right hands".

and frankly.. i'm not.. quite seeing it.

make no mistake.. i am a fan. id like to see it tackled with a modicum of intelligence and originality, but as far as concepts go, it really doesn't get more basic than Doom. And here you guys are comparing it to Alien.

i mean, there's The Doomguy, and then there's Sigourney Weaver. I can see him spouting blunt one-liners ala Vin Diesel, but i can't seem to see him carrying a feature length film (God knows Vin couldn't do it).

im not trying to curb your enthusiasm.. but, id like to be .. convinced, if possible..

I think Del Toro could do something nice with this... Doom isnt really that much to start with, really...






Domingo'

The thing that makes Doom compelling to me, story-wise, is the possible mythology surrounding the ancient Martian civilization aspects and of course the macabre, occult Hell aspects. A talented creative crew could do some very effective, unsettling things with this.

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding? We're talking about a FPS featuring rocket launcher-wielding skeletons and the BIG FUCKING GUN. This is going to be total shit, regrettably.

Here's some good news:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/040915b.php

In my opinion, I like him better then the Rock. Was hoping he would get pushed up the Hollywood ladder, but unfortunately it was with a pretty bad director running the project.

Wow thats a nice choice. If Bartowiak handles this somewhat properly (fat chance) this could be entertaining.

Got this script the other day (sshhhh!!). Not terrible, but certainly not great. Pretty typical military vs. monsters story. It's Aliens with hell beasts. It'll be interesting to see who The Rock is playing, since to the best of my knowledge he's still attached, but is not playing the lead character of John Grimm (roll your eyes as necessary at the name). I expect whatever role he takes (I'm guessing either the Sarge or the love interest for Grimm's sister, which is more likely) will be appropriately beefed up in concurrent drafts.

Well i sorta feel a little bit better now that Karl Urban might be in it.......but not too much...here's hoping they can turn around video game movies.......if any one video game deservers to have a good movie, it's Doom.

Considering Urban's inherently evil eyebrows, I think it's only proper that his character becomes possessed by demons, thus forcing The Rock to double tap him with a shotgun. Dave doesn't seem to indicate that's the case, though.

When dealing with alien demons, he is forced to cross paths with the organization responsible for his parents' deaths.

I do wish the roll eyes icon was still available.

Fangoria magazine has been checking this out extensively. Check out the latest news:

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=2773

The article links to several others for viewing enjoyment.

Well just saw The Rock on The Daily Show and he said " I'm the man " in Doom and was pretty psyched about it. Also saying that they just finished it in Prague and...

The film would be a " Hard R " and released in August.

Thats really good news however the bad news remains we as an audience will see this before the film starts..

An Andrzej Bartkowiak film.

Bad news is that the screenplay has about nothing to do with the games. No hell, no hell demons, no mars, not even a railgun. Instead, we get a squad based rescue mission lead to a space station with mutated scientists from a experiment gone wrong.

Great. Why call it Doom anyway? It's Bartkowiaks version of Event Horizon.

I'll pass judgement when I start seeing trailers and pictures.

Dave Davis' description of the script pretty much nails down what the games were, and the film really doesn't need to be more than that. Plus, it's coming in August, which pretty much guarantees we're not going to be watching Casablanca here.

Still, the choice of director kinda worries me.....

Er...and now I read Chris Myer's description, and I worry more.

That sucks. No demons? No mars? What the fuck?
I remember reading that the developers of the game were very careful in selling the rights to this baby. Basically wanting to make sure their trend setting design wasn't buthcered by some fuck head like Uwe Bol. How the hell did they ever agree to a story then without demons, a portal to hell and all the other stuff?

I would say this film will suck, based upon the track record for most films based on video games.
Uwe Boll is the worst offender, but far from the only ones.
And it does not seem to resemble the game I knew and loved much from what I have been reading...

Yeah, it's a shame they strayed so far from the holy grail of narrative perfection, DOOM.

No movie could ever evoke the terror I felt when I first encountered the Cyberdemon in 1993.

Rhhhuooooor!!!

<fx: STOMP ... STOMP .... STOMP>

Rhhhuooooor!!!

<fx: Missle Launch>

GAME OVER!

Far be it for me to defend Chris Myers, but he has a semi-point. The whole thing that made DOOM cool was that it was full of demons and creatures from HELL, not your average Giger-rip-offs. That it was about scientific fucking around that opened a literal gateway to the netherworld. That's what makes it a decent movie property.

Or what made it, should I say.

I thought what made it a decent movie property was that it was a hugely successful videogame. I think they would make Solitaire into a movie if they could figure it out.

"Yeah, it's a shame they strayed so far from the holy grail of narrative perfection, DOOM."
No arguement from me that Doom had no real plot. One reason so many video game movies suck is that the ones they choose to adapt, because of their popularity, are the ones that have little or no narrative.
But if are going to do Doom, at least include the monsters that the Doom players know and love, the Imps, the Hell Barons, The CacoDemons, and of course the Cyberdemon. Leave those out and you are shooting yourself in the book.
Jesus, I can't beleive I am getting into a debate over a movie based on a video game that promisies to be yet another turd.

I just found out tonight that that fucker Callaham strayed from Doom. No Hell, UAC, the fucking T-Virus.

I'm sick of everything I loved getting raped by Hollywood. Star Wars PT, Resident Evil, and now this.

I've spent the last hour looking for Callaham's contact info. My brain is going ballistic with fury right now. At least that new Star Wars trailer from Peru looks good.

jesus , its DOOM, man
you do realize that a truly faithful adaptation of DOOM will inherently suck by definition.

its just ammo, blood and eye candy. and i love it, make no mistake. but that does not a movie make.

let em come up with something a little fresh. ID software would never have given the greenlight to the project if they were going to AVP the thing. Rock already said itll be a "hard R"..

sounds promising to me.

Foodi you obviously never played Doom 1 or 2. Its great atmosphere centered around Hell and demons. Please don't comment on this movie if you never played the original games.

well at least Michelle Rodriguez wasn't cast as the cliche' tough chick swat team member, like in Resident Evil and SWAT. I think she's pretty an all, but a horrible actress, who just goes through the motions.

So, I was under the impresssion that Karl Urban was the main guy in this film, and that the Rock was just part of the supporting cast...ala Sigorney being the lead and MIchael Biehn being the leader of the marines.

But on the Daily show the rock said "I am THE guy". Does anyone have any clarification on that?

I don't like the fact that they strayed from the hell theme, but as long as they have some recognizable doom baddies its ok. No matter what you guys say, Doom was NOT about the story. All it takes is a shitty plot device to create random monsters for the Rock to blow away.

Defending the story of Doom (the videogame) is pushing things a bit...

You know, I think that films based on video and computer games have such a bad reputation thanks to the likes of Uwe Boll and Paul Anderson that directors of any repute don't want to be connected with one.
That might change after a unknown director actually makes a good game derived from a video game that is a big hit, but until then expect any good director, even those who specialize in the action genre, to avoid them like the plague.

I think the concept of video game movies is inherently flawed.

In films based on comics and books you appeal to audiences by adding the element of "reality." It's a thrill to see these events and character come to life in front of you.

But with video games the draw is that YOU participate in the events of the game. By taking that away you're actually removing the element or participation- the element of "reality" that video games possess. If you're lucky enough to have a plot left over, it probably isn't a very good one. So yeah, these games already have their audience and they're not going to be overly impressed with the same concept once they're removed from active participation.

Then again, the last game I played on a regular basis was Super Mario World, so maybe I'm not the target audience.

man, what the hell? "obviously" my ass.. i suggest you stop making dumb baseless assumptions. yes ive played the first two games, and i wouldnt be here commenting if i hadnt.
my whole point is it takes a lot more than "great atmosphere" to make a movie.. and as a matter of fact, i think the "great atmosphere" in the doom 1,2 games has been quite surpassed by more recent games with superior plot/storylines/characters..

for its time the DOOM games were irresistable.. because they were novel and revolutionary.. and completely immersive.

and as far as Doom 2 is concerned, that "atmosphere" was just a product of an overbearing sense of fear and helplessness.. that game was absolutely mind numbingly oppressive.. and that wasnt because of some intricate series of plot developments or characters.. it was just an all-out ASSAULT on the senses.


"..great atmosphere centered around Hell and Demons".. oh brother.

the point i was making is the one that people like Fazer here are expressing.

".. great atmosphere centered around Hell and Demons" jesus.
if anything its the atmosphere of Doom 3 the movie will try and emulate.. since that installment was much heavier on suspense .. and plot.

where the fuck do these newbs come from?

C'mon, both of us know that Doom alone is not enough to tell a good story. There have to be additional characters, there has to be a little more plot and more than the usual "go from entry to exit, kill all in between" stuff. A non-pause 90 minutes fragfest with one man killing demon after demon, collecting health packs and ammo would be fun for some ultrageeks, but for a wide theatrical release, thats nonsense. Sure. No investor would back that.

My only concerns are- if they gonna add some additional material, that's fine, but why do they have to change the simple basic elements of the origin? That's like making the Resident Evil zombies to aliens, or making Lara Croft a man.

Doom is a widespread trademark, although most people never played it, they heard enough about it - and they know, it's about marines Vs hell demons. Now why taking away the hell imagery? It's a futuristic horror / action thriller, so is it too unrealistic to have hell demons? Have the scientists work on a kind of portal that accidentally opens a rift to hell - that'd be far more scarier than an experiment gone wrong.

Seriously, I'm afraid Doom won't be like Doom 3 the game, it'll be more like Alone in the Dark the movie, or Resident Evil Apocalypse. Loud, one-liner filled, with cgi imps that look like the RE lickers or Boll's Xenoms.


I hope, one day there'll be a low-budget direct-to-video Quake movie by someone like Verhoeven. Bloody serious, gritty and with enough quiet scenes. No MTV music video style directing, no rappersturnedactors and no fucking fasttrack cgi.

Btw, noticed that there hasn't been ONE promotional item (picture, logo, trailer) for the movie yet? I bet they're changing it to a clear The Rock movie, like they're pushing Foxx' appearance in Stealth.

Well it is slated for august, and i believe Andrezg Bartosakcejoa (sp?) who last did Cradle 2 the grave (which,...shudder...i actually thought was a half decent jet li + hip hop movie).

He isn't Uwe boll thats for sure. He doesnt make any false claims of being an auteur. He just wants to make fun to watch movies.

Also, there is a link on AICN, to the diary of one of the stunt guys who played 3 different IMPS. He does mention zombies also though. So, I think its safe to assume there will be a variety of monsters for the heroes to shoot at. I just wonder how the CGI is going to hold up if they decide to go with any of the more fantastical Doom baddies like the giant horned cyber demons or half demon half goat dudes.

I am pretty sure they will kick up the advertising come april-may when summer really starts.

I mean come on, i can imagine a teaser right now....black screen...quick shots of gunfire, space marines, a shot of an imp throwing a fireball...explosions...and then a shot of The Rock picking up a gun that has the three letters we all love on the side of it and have the camera zoom in on it...BFG...then a quick shot of him firing it and the huge CGI laden effect it has...Cut to the logo...DOOM...cue males in the audience going wild.

From Moviesonline.ca
Stan Winston is doing tbe creature effects?
Neat!
he´s the guy who designed the Predator, the Alien queen and Pumpkinhead.

And did stuff for Tank Girl, Mousehunt and The Island of Marlon Brando as Michael Jackson fat & weird version.

Winston's work and designs on those films was tops. Too bad the same can't be said for the films themselves.

Winton's work is always very well made and interesting to look at, I'm sure the Doom creatures will at least be good looking. The way Bartkowiak shot them and added cgi... we can only guess.

How can you fault Gore Verbinski's best movie?

Lots of cool Doom news:
http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=20755

I sat next to Mr Beaks at the Doom panel and we laughed and laughed and laughed when they showed the "First Person Shooter" scene. It is HORRIBLE. Retarded to the extreme.

Also, The Rock talked about how he fucked Karl Urban. That should be the lead of anyone's story.

And they only showed half of this awesome first person scene?

Unclear if it was half of the scene or if the scene was half done. It was certainly half-witted.

I'm kinda not shocked that they went with that. I hope the final sequence includes a life bar and remaining ammo display.

It's got to have the photo on the bottom of the screen showing the hero looking worse and worse...until he finds a medipack & he's back to normal.

This film seems right on track alright.

Oh man forget this! Karl Urban should have stuck to playing gay ambulance drivers and Riders of Rohan.

I will say one thing, seeing the coolness of the tripods in War of the Worlds made me wish there was a Half Life 2 movie. Made by Spielberg, of course.

I haven't seen it, but frankly I was kinda intrigued by what I heard. No one is expecting "Aliens", but just a good R rated old school actioner. The first person view sounds like it could be fun. Not that I am comparing the two, but John Woo had that long tracking shot in hard Boiled during the hospital finale that totally felt like the basis for every Lethal Enforcers game ever made. That scene had a strong "FPS" vibe to it before the term FPS was even commonplace.

I kinda wish the Rock had taken the main role. This business about him not being the main guy is kinda weak. But I think this movie has a shot.

Devin and Beaks didn't like it, but Quint seemed to love it. Once again, I am going to wait to form my own opinion.

We find out that it will be R rated, include mars and seemingly follow the game pretty well now, and I'm sure the bitching will continue. Doom 1 and 2 were great twitchy action games. The idea and plot were thin at best. I'm psyched to see this movie, dying to see some good old R rated sci-fi action, and that report makes it seem like we can hope for this one to be pretty entertaining. Besides, if anything, The Rock will be entertaining in it.

IGN FilmForce has a teaser trailer... has anyone else posted it already?

Trailer here

http://media.filmforce.ign.com/media...04/vids_1.html

FILMFORCE has the Comic Con trailer. The larger sizes are for fucking insiders only (does anyone actually pay for that shit?).

As for my thoughts, it looks like a pretty nondescript scifi actioner. I have to say it does look a little bit too much like Resident Evil. While I liked that movie, I hope this movie is much better. The flashes of the Imps that I saw looked good, the Rock firing a BFG looked good too. I think this could do great business in the fall season. It is obviously going for an Alien feel at times, and if its half as good as that movie, Universal my have a franchise on their hands.