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HEy everyone, if you have visited creature corner, then you know who I am, if not, I am actress Robyn Griggs, whom has been added to the new creature corner staff. anyway, I was wonderring if anyone saw my article under screamqueen rants of the week? I would like to hear some opinions on the subject.

Glad to be on this board. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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post #2 of 243
Yeah I just got done reading it, it was pretty good and I do agree with you. I mean a good bit of horror is exploitative anyway even to men. But how often do you have a problem with whats going on in the script? Have you ever turned down something solely because you thought it was exploitative? I just wonder because I imagine its difficult going "yeah i want the part but I want you to completely change this charecter and some plot around". However I also agree that there are more and more empowering women roles in horror, not to mention smarter horror films in general. Anyway just wanted to say glad to have ya here. Kinda nice to actually get an actresses opinion around here. Keep up with the insightful articles.
post #3 of 243
Hello Robyn, I look forward to the new Creature Corner, and all of what it brings ... I read your article, and I tend to agree with you, but I wanted to read more .... The fact that you are an actress and have had experiences working in film, I was looking forward to a longer article ...

I think that the filmmaker that bails out and relies on the typically tedious stereotype is bad for the genre ... in a way, the filmmaker who feeds into the usual/helpless stereotype in regards to females is showing a disregard for the great genre of horror ...

Having said that, horror is at its best when it is mean-spirited, exploitive and violent ... In other words, when a sense of political correctness comes into play, the spirit of the film is most likely going to die ...... More than any other type of film, horror is dependent on the satiation of all of the viewer's senses, and so to hold back anything in exchange for being non-offensive is a crime ...

Some of the greatest horror films of all-time could come into question in regards to their treatment of women ... As an example, 1960's PEEPING TOM is very disturbing, but it is so brilliantly made, to question director Michael Powell and his stance on females would be destructive to the art .... and how about Roman Polanski or Alfred Hitchcock ??? ... Two of the greatest directors of all time, yet both have shown themselves to be anything but PC ....

As with anything, when something is forced and predictable, the quality will suffer ....... There is no reason why women cannot be cast as having the strongest role in film, but to do so in order to temper the overall "disturb-factor" is cowardly ....
post #4 of 243
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thank you for the responses, sounds like we got a great group here. yes my articles are pretty short because I am new to the whole writing thing. I am having a blast though!!!!!!!!!

As for my own personal experience with scripts. YES I have been known to ask for a change in a role due to nudity, I am one of the odd chicks, I dont show everything, I will wear sexy outfits, show cleavage, but never show the goods. Maybe thats why they cast me as the killer...LOLOLOLOLOL

I mean a horror film in my opinion should be scary, not about the boobs, but due to many filmmakers and also great boobs, we have a stereotype in horror.....whens the nude chick gonna die....LOL

hey I dont mind nudity, just not me nude.

I think scripts are being written better and I feel that we are growing with the genre, but the problem now is all these remakes... why remake a classic? WHY?????????????????????????

tcm in my opinion is a very poor remake... I know many people dont agree with me, but is that because it was honestly a good movie, or is it because we were longing for a slasher flick back in the theatres????
post #5 of 243
Hello Robyn,nice to see an in-the-trenches-female perspective on horror filmmaking.

Your rant does not really surprise me,I mean of course there is always THAT person who will say one thing and then jump at the chance to be on camera no matter how degrading.There was a scene like that in Hollywood Shuffle I remember.

As for the director,it all depends on what they want to accomplish.How do I say this,as for horror,there is a difference between putting women in your film and men.With women you have the sex factor,so right there you've drawn some people in.You also have the notion that women are more vulnerable than men.We expect a certain amount of vulnerability from women,no matter how tough and clever,whereas with men we always expect they will not back down and will fight to the finish.We are the HUNTERS after all!

It's a simple way to spice up your product by putting a hot female in the film.I personally would have no problem putting naked females in one of my films simply to increase it's chances of more viewings by those audiences.I would,however make sure the female character,or the scene was made out to be either strong or completely natural and comfortable with the reason for the nudity.By that I mean I wouldn't have some bimbo just take her top off at a party,I would show the audience that this chick is really fun loving and has an I don't give a shit attitude.It's hard for me to explain,especially when I haven't even MADE a film,but I think you can titillate while NOT being exploitive.A woman with her tits out is not necessarily-easy,a victim,a whore,stupid,degraded.

What I have a problem with is the by the numbers appproach,you know the cut to a girl taking a shower for no reason.If you're going to go for the T&A then do something different!But that type of stuff appeals to our primal urges,so it IS in fact enough,just to have blatant nudity,a part of the audience expects it,and part of the audience I'm sure knows they are being pandered to and don't mind.

I do sort of agree with Boys opinion that horror should pull no punches.Films that I can recall actually disturbing me to some degree would be The Ugly and Deep Red.Seeing alot of Argento's stuff I have to admit I DO question if the guy has issues with women.The Ugly made me wonder if the director/writer have a fascination/admiration for serial killers and throat cutting.Is that good that people make disturbing films that DON'T have endings where the "hero"prevails?I don't know if it's good,but it's certainly valid because obviously life can be shit at times and the bad guys do get away with destroying people and their friends and families.But if is just relentless torture and degradation of victims,then what good is it?Are we simply enjoying the plight of the victim or admiring the villain in a convoluted anti-hero fashion?

When I see some films like The Ugly and Argento's,if I see more and more like that I'm thinking,what is the point?It's just suffering that your promoting.You're just dwelling on the sadistic,there is no subtext.It's a snuff film without questioning "why is there an audience for the snuff film?"

Wow,I reply to Robyn's rants with Fat Dragon's rants.AHHHHHH!

Anyway Robyn,I hope you stick with CC for awhile,I'm sure many of us would like an insider's perspective.Perhaps someday you could write about your experiences in low budget films that might help some of us aspiring to work in the field?I mean maybe you could write about the ten biggest mistakes low budget filmmakers/directors make,ya know because looking at your resume' you've run the gamut from low budget to mainstream soaps.That would be fantastic.

Also,your IMDB bio is pretty amusing.
post #6 of 243
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yes my imdb bio someone did and I was not aware of it at all... it is false actually, they have my eye color wrong, they mention my breasts, have my life out of order... would love to change it, just dont know how... couldnt believe the breast comment, it was rediculous...


anyway, Yes I agree with you and brought up great points.
yah shower scenes and all that garbage in the middle of nowhere , just plain annoying, especially when noone gets killed...LOL


I certainly will be around for a while. I am also doing interveiws etc.. for the site. the staff all has been in the industry which I think will add a bunch of interesting topics to the forumn..
post #7 of 243
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YES I have been known to ask for a change in a role due to nudity, I am one of the odd chicks, I dont show everything, I will wear sexy outfits, show cleavage, but never show the goods.
As Gypsy Rose Lee said, "Bare flesh bores men."


Iiiiinyways, big ol word you your article. It's insulting to imply that women need protection and can't be trusted with their own decisions, which is really what this comes down to.

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I do sort of agree with Boys opinion that horror should pull no punches
While I do love a good creeptastic movie...I also love a mindless slasher movie. Sometimes one needs buckets of blood and a good laugh.

ETA: Omg! We have the same birthday!
post #8 of 243
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I agree with that Bucket of blood. sometimes when you are really pissed off and want to hit a wall, it is best to watch a good gorey film ....

I actually used to have what I would call "bad movie night" and have friends come over and watch as many unknown horror flicks as possible... mannnn, I was so surprised with how good films actually were but the titles all sounded like they would be horrible.
post #9 of 243
I read your article ZB and it was good and brings up a side of the argument that you don't get to hear much but I'm with Boys I wanted to hear more. Maybe more of your personal experiences and the decisions you have made in the past regarding the subject. Like I said it's great to hear it from your perspective, a working actress in the genre. What have you done? I agree with you to a point. Most female roles in horror films are not exploitive it's just what fans of the genre want to see. I know I like some T&A, pardon the expression, now and then but don't need it in every horror movie. There are those that use it as a selling point though and that is where it becomes exploitive but then again as you say if a woman understands the role and takes it knowing what she has to do then how exploitive can it be. Hope to hear much more from you and hope you hang out on the boards as well.
post #10 of 243
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thank you

Maybe I should consider doing an article on my experiences in the past etc.... hmmm...

we definitely will have to have a chat one evening about this when they have a chatroom up. that would be fun
post #11 of 243
Yes, there's not much I can say without repeating what other people have said. You're article was cool and that picture is amazing.

I'm going to go before I make a fool out of myself.

What do you mean too late?
post #12 of 243
Hello Robyn, It's good to have you on board. I comletely agree with your article, and I think it is dumb to complain about explotion when the new trend is empowered women who are the only survivers of the movie.
post #13 of 243
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well, I am glad so many are liking the article, I was hoping you would
post #14 of 243
Bare breasts in films do add spice, but most of the time you get a boob shot which isn't really necessary. Just like swearing in films, if it's not done right it is worthless and adds nothing to the movie, but actually detracts and makes the movie worse.

Take for example, the first time I saw Peter Jackson's Brain Dead. I was for certain that girl was going to show her goods. But Peter Jackson was smart enough to realize a nude scene wouldn't work with the film and would actually detract from the plot.

The same can be said for films where there is too much obligatory swearing. Was it really necessary for Joe Blow to yell shits and fucks fifty million times? Most of the time it's not.


Basically, what I'm saying is there's a time and place for everything. Nudity, rape, swearing, gatutious mutilation, etc all has it's place. But if it detracts from the controlling plot in the film then it shouldn't be in there or it should be lessened. Maybe that nude scene should be cut to 2 seconds, or cut to where she's just wearing something provactive?

Well, I'm rambling too much and could talk forever on this subject.
post #15 of 243
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yes I agree, if it is good for the scene and film then yes, if not, cut it and use the money to shoot a sequal
post #16 of 243
A guy that really surprised me with the lack of said T&A is Rob Zombie. I was sure he would have a ton of it in House but sadly though he had the opportunity there was none. His music just seems to scream sex.
post #17 of 243
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
A guy that really surprised me with the lack of said T&A is Rob Zombie. I was sure he would have a ton of it in House but sadly though he had the opportunity there was none. His music just seems to scream sex.
Especially since it was an ode to the 70's slasher movies that were full of T and A.
post #18 of 243
Yeah, I was definately expecting Baby to show some boobs. But we did get a nice crack shot!
post #19 of 243
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yes, I think the crack shot was the first thing we saw of her>>>LOL
post #20 of 243
Considering it was a homage to THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, which had zero breastage, I wasn't surprised at all. That said, I'm sure I saw some nudity in the little flashy edited bits of Baby.
post #21 of 243
Zombie's music screams sex?Hell,I scream"SEX!!!!!!!"but alas,no one takes me up on my offer.

I should add something that is used often which really annoys me is the threat of raping a woman in any kind of film.To me THAT is exploitive.You have stupid action movies where the hero has vowed never to fight,until the bad guy rapes the hero's woman,then it's ON!

Or how they imply something might happen"Yes sir,a fine looking young wife you got there,be a shame if something were to happen to her."

I've never cared for the idea of potential rape as an impetus for action scenes and whatnot.

But maybe I'm just a pussy,I don't know.
post #22 of 243
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ok I am going to let you pick my next topic for an article, should it be...."I wish I was Sam Fisher" ; "chicks like games too" ; or "the more blood the better" or all of the above
post #23 of 243
I say you should go with "chicks like games too" just because it sounds naughty lol. But seriously it sounds interesting go for it.
post #24 of 243
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ok you win..... heheh, it actually may surprise you.......hehehehehe
post #25 of 243
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Originally Posted by zombiebabe
but the problem now is all these remakes... why remake a classic? WHY?????????????????????????

tcm in my opinion is a very poor remake... I know many people dont agree with me, but is that because it was honestly a good movie, or is it because we were longing for a slasher flick back in the theatres????

Because it's folks like you, me and most of the folks on this board who really care about horror. Alot of those people you are referring to could give a rat's ass about horror, they're looking for a quick buck, and unnecessary remakes and a plethora of boobs is their technique (not that I have anything against boobs per se, but hey, they don't typically scare me). There have nearly always been people doing interesting stuff in horror but the unfortunate trend is, that for several years thereafter, there are goofs with no talent looking to capitalize on the initial good ideas.

Welcome zombiebabe, I look forward to reading what you have to say.


EOD
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and yes, I too HATED TCM the remake. Lynyrd Skynyrd concert.....skin disease........JENNIFER BEAL.......SHUDDER!!!!!



EOD
post #27 of 243
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Originally Posted by zombiebabe
ok I am going to let you pick my next topic for an article, should it be...."I wish I was Sam Fisher" ; "chicks like games too" ; or "the more blood the better" or all of the above
I just want to know if you sleep in the nude but more blood the better sounds good too.
post #28 of 243
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i ususally sleep in a tank top and boxers, nothing too exciting, but yes, there are some occasions I sleep in the nude..hahahaha


thanks for the welcome EOD


so what did everyone do over the weekend?
post #29 of 243
Nude...nice. But yeah my weekend was pretty uneventful same old same old. And hows the weekend of a genre actress?
post #30 of 243
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actually I had a very busy weekend, I and rune shepherd were hosting a horror convention in ohio called twisted nightmare weekend. It actually went really well, we had a great time!
post #31 of 243
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Originally Posted by zombiebabe

so what did everyone do over the weekend?
S.S.D.D.
post #32 of 243
I'm too freaking busy nowadays.

I went out and played poker in the casino friday night. Gathered all my cameras up (spent most of last night wiring them after getting home from the bar).

Tried to organize all my equipment, designed a jib, uhhh what else. I think i drank one night, can't remember. Ate ruth's chris sunday. (160$ ow)

Set up my new can lights, decided on my new screenplay.

Tonight I am gonna try and make a large scale diffuser for a couplea spots i picked up. And I gotta buy a shotgun mic. Anyone got a sennheiser I can have?
post #33 of 243
Can't say I enjoyed the article, simplistic message (People should read the script before signing the dotted line? Well duh) delivered in the style of an excitable 15 year old let loose on AOL for the first time (one exclamation mark is enough, using LOL should be punishable by death). Write more about your on-set experiences with horror films.
post #34 of 243
Well...

Where are they.... Robyns' Pants?

Ohhhh! Robyns' Rants... Sorry my bad, proceed.

Oh and Welcome to the bloodthirsty cult Robyn.
post #35 of 243
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sorry you didnt like it Pedro..... you must really hate reading peoples posts if you hate LOL.


and I am actually flatterred by the 15 year old comment, makes me feel like I am in high school again... YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

like the exclamation points?


Pedro, I am an actress, not a writer, I at least took a chance on that and I expressed my own opinion, what more can I do. If you ever met me, you would know that the way I write my articles are the way I talk.

Hope you maybe enjoy some of the other articles I write in the future. did you see the interview I did with Penn?
post #36 of 243
Speaking of which when are you doing your next article?
post #37 of 243
While PedroNegro obviously decided to relieve anal itching with a cactus before posting,he does have some points.

I believe "rant"implies off the cuff,not a deep article,like "Here's another of the 755 million things that piss me off!"by Harlan Ellison.

Which is to say,if you could elaborate on some of your personal experiences more,that would be great.As I mentioned,your personal experiences on a film set would be interesting:how things are done in the majors and the sacrifices one has to make in the minor leagues of filmmaking,pitfalls of the industry,things as an actress you'd like low budget filmmakers to do(or the biggest mistakes they often make),etc.

You never claimed to be a writer,you're an actress who is delving into doing interviews and such.I think you'll find most people here will give you constructive criticism without being a PedroNegro.I mean,Ass!
post #38 of 243
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Yes, I basically just thought I would try and not focus too much on myself in that article. it was my first ever. but I think I might have to do a follow up on it... I do have some juicy stories hehehe
post #39 of 243
Your style is fine. There's nothing wrong with writing how you talk it's more personal that way.
post #40 of 243
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thank you


so the other day I went to a screening of SHAUN OF THE DEAD..... OMG...... I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #41 of 243
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
I just want to know if you sleep in the nude...
I bet she showers in the nude too...

You should really ask her about that next; make her feel comfortable.
post #42 of 243
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Originally Posted by zombiebabe
thank you


so the other day I went to a screening of SHAUN OF THE DEAD..... OMG...... I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!11

GG

KTHXBYE
post #43 of 243
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has anyone else seen it yet? it is really great! very good movie, and much needed nowadays.
post #45 of 243
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Originally Posted by zombiebabe
has anyone else seen it yet? it is really great! very good movie, and much needed nowadays.
Going to see it tonight.
post #46 of 243
Just got done reading the new article and ya know it was a vast improvement over the last. For one it was longer with more detail and a little more personal. I enjoyed it, but I do think the next one should be a little more genre involved (more blood the better) still it is very nice to hear hot girls are game freaks too, I wasn't dissapointed.
post #47 of 243
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thanks PMF, I appreciate it my next one will definitely be more horror related ...heheehehe
post #48 of 243
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Originally Posted by Burke
I bet she showers in the nude too...

You should really ask her about that next; make her feel comfortable.
I'm pretty sure she got that I was joking around. Lighten up.
post #49 of 243
Nice artice Robyn. It is good to know that hot chicks are gamers but where exactely do you find them. You are a rare breed.
post #50 of 243
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well, thats what I hear, I am rather shocked there arent more females that love games... its a great release to have guns and run around killing criminals in games, sometimes a good chainsaw kiiling during the evil dead xbox game clears up a world of mess...haha
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