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post #1 of 16
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The movie was quite enjoyable. It was really nothing at all like finding nemo, the story is really about a father learning to accept his gay shark son. They dont really ever say he is gay, but its pretty obvious. "you got him dressin' like a dolphin!" deniro says at one point. Martin Scorsese truly has a knack for voice work, he is really a high point in this movie. Sometimes Will Smith's 'wickedy whack' routine is over the top, but mostly due to the three director's handling of it, and its more forgivable since this is a movie for kids. It's a good film with some nice, very hi-rez animation, and some good moral lessons.

Has it come out anywhere else yet?
post #2 of 16
Bill the Butcher just sent in his review.


Shark Tale (2004) -PG-

Directed by: Bibo Bergeron, Vicky Jenson, Rob Letterman
Written by: Rob Letterman, Damian Shannon, Mark Swift, Michael J. Wilson
Starring the Voices of: Will Smith, Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, Renée Zellweger, Jack Black, Angelina Jolie, Katie Couric, Doug E. Doug, Peter Falk, Michael Imperioli, James Madio, Ziggy Marley, Vincent Pastore


As Thin as a Shark’s Fin: Dreamwork’s Animation has Become the Pop Culture Pixar

By Bill the Butcher

Dreamworks’ animation seems to continue to rip off of Pixar (currently owned by Disney), left and right. In 1994, Jeffery Katzenberg left Disney to form Dreamworks with Steven Spielberg and David Geffen. It is rumored that he took the idea of Pixar’s A Bug’s Life with him, and made Antz. In my opinion, Antz is a much deeper film where the ant colony represents a communistic society that the hero must overcome. A Bug’s Life had a bit more flimsy plot, with the hero ant trying to save his colony from grasshoppers.

Since Antz, Dreamworks’ animation has gone downhill, from Shrek and it’s sequel, to their new film, Shark Tale, coming out after the success of Pixar’s Finding Nemo . Full of pop culture references that don’t fit in, bright glitzy eye candy for the kids, and an easy to follow, albeit flimsy plot, Shark Tale may entertain the children for 90 minutes, but it shows how much of a shoddy trend Dreamworks is setting, trying to keep up with the creativity of Pixar.

Set in an underwater New York City, Times Square and all, Shark Tale follows Oscar, a lowly fish who works at a Whale wash. He always seems to be down on his luck and broke. The city of fish is terrorized by sharks, who are made out to be like the mafia.

Luckily, Oscar winds up in the right place at the right time, as an anchor falls on a shark who’s chasing him, son of Don Lino the infamous head of the sharks, and kills him. Some other fish happen to see Oscar there, and he takes credit for killing the shark, and now becomes the infamous “sharkslayer.”


I will give Shark Tale its props for being one of the most politically correct animation films in recent memory. It attempts to display many different ethnicities through it’s fish, from the Will Smith voiced Oscar representing black culture, along with his father having an afro, to the sharks representing the mafia culture—not the Italian culture, as not all Italians are in the mafia; I too wish to be politically correct, to the gay culture. Yes folks that’s right, there is a gay shark in Shark Tale. Lenny the shark, voiced by Jack Black, is gay, and I beg anyone to argue.



Lenny (left): the gay shark


Sure, the writers don’t actually come out and say it, but Lenny is a vegetarian, i.e. different from all the other sharks. When he sits in certain scenes, he crosses his fins, like a girl. And he eventually paints himself blue, to resemble a dolphin, and dresses up like one of the Village People. His main desire is to have his father, Don Lino, accept him for who he is. Again, put all that together, and you have a gay shark.

What really urks me about this film is the out of place pop culture references. At one point when Oscar is on TV after he defeats Lenny, a set up, he blurts out, “You can’t handle the truth.” And right afterwards, “You had me at hello.” Two famous movie quotes that had absolutely nothing to do within the context of the scene. They were just there to get laughs, I guess, but it surely didn’t work.

Besides the plot wearing thin after awhile, a lot of the writing is just so lazy. For instance, the script tries to have all these creative references, but they don’t work. One is to The Godfather, with the octopus being named Luca, ala Luca Brasi. Yet the octopus is only an assistant to Don Lino, while Brasi was a cold blooded killer. They also could have made the octopus bigger, to fit the look more of Brasi. They could have done more with that reference, it’s just like the lines of dialogue above that don’t really fit in. Why make a reference like Luca and not go anywhere with it.

The kids are sure to love the bright colors and unoriginal music, like the cover of “Car Wash.” And the product placement in Shark Tale is disgusting, from Coke to Krispy Kreme donuts—another attempt to get kids hooked on these brands early. They were even giving out free Krispy Kreme donuts after the screening; great idea for America’s overweight children today.


Sykes and his eyebrows, voiced by Martin Scorsese


I will admit the eyebrows on Sykes, voiced by Martin Scorsese, is pretty funny, and his character is probably one of the better aspects of Shark Tale. Overall, this feels like a dumbed-down Shrek 2, which I thought was pushing the limit between creativity and spouting off pop culture. After seeing Shark Tale, all I can say is, I can’t wait for The Incredibles, the new Pixar film. I guess nothing will measure up though to the most creative animation film in the last 10 years, The Triplets of Belleville.


Alternative Recommendations: Antz, Toy Story, The Triplets of Belleville, The Lion King

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post #3 of 16
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bill sucks a big chode.
post #4 of 16
That seems to be a pretty fair representation of Dreamworks' output. It's not too harsh. It's hard to be overly harsh to such an innocuous movie. There's been nothing in Dreamworks' movies, since Antz, that's really leapt out and screamed to be noticed. They're big, colorful, pop-culture laden kids movies. Most of the times, those pop-culture references fall flat, and feel oddly out of place. They're there so the adults "have something to enjoy". This right here is why Pixar has always been a far better company, especially from a storytelling perspective. Since their movies never condescend to children, adults can enjoy them as well. They're not kid movies. They're everybody movies. Dreamworks makes kid movies. Enjoyable, but instantly forgettable.
post #5 of 16
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“You can’t handle the truth.” And right afterwards, “You had me at hello.” Two famous movie quotes that had absolutely nothing to do within the context of the scene. They were just there to get laughs, I guess, but it surely didn’t work. "

thats the point in the review where i realised the reviewer is just plain ig'nant. for starters the scene came during the big staged fight, in which will says to the crowd "are you not entertained???!?!" then says those other two lines, and yes it is funny, because of the fakeness of the fight and the fact that he is being a showpony and saying classic lines that have nothing to do with the moment. also the fact that he goes to great lengths to say how this is a rip off of finding nemo, yet besides being underwater this has nothing to do with it. that one takes place in a realistic ocean environment, this one takes place in a completely fictionalized world where fish watch tv and have funky bachelor pads. its also full of important themes that kids should know about, and its rather clever to teach it to them through animated form.
post #6 of 16
GAD! Supposedly it's worse than the Final Fantasy movie? (according to Rotten Tomatoes) That's a pretty strong statement ... which I highly doubt is true. Maybe it's just some sort of Finding Nemo backlash?
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by SPEEDRAZOR
... also the fact that he goes to great lengths to say how this is a rip off of finding nemo, yet besides being underwater this has nothing to do with it. that one takes place in a realistic ocean environment, this one takes place in a completely fictionalized world where fish watch tv and have funky bachelor pads. .
The fact that this is a CGI cartoon populated entirely by fish is enough to qualify it as a rip off.
post #8 of 16
I still don't see how Dreamworks can release this and sleep at night. Guess cocaine really does the trick.
post #9 of 16
This will make Baby Jesus cry and want mankind to do die
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Mr. Freeze
GAD! Supposedly it's worse than the Final Fantasy movie? (according to Rotten Tomatoes) That's a pretty strong statement ... which I highly doubt is true. Maybe it's just some sort of Finding Nemo backlash?
its definately finding nemo backlash. i think people just need to pull their heads outta their asses. its like hating daffy duck for being a rip off of donald duck. who cares if something is a rip off?? its a different story so just see it and put aside the needless hate.
post #11 of 16
Good rip offs like Daffy get a pass. Terrible ones get the appropriate derision.
post #12 of 16
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im not saying this is an awesome movie, but its decent enough, i guarantee kids would love it, and i think it will most likely top the box office this weekend for you guys. for me, marty and bobby alone were enough to make it enjoyable. especially marty.
post #13 of 16
General thoughts about it include:

*Some funny moments, but overall not enough to float the entire movie.
*Not Finding Nemo, it's not that engaging nor is the CGI done up to Pixar standards.
*Too long. I started to get bored about mid way thru. The characters simply don't engage in an interesting enough story.
*They are trying to hard to be fast and quirky and cutting edge like Shrek and Shrek 2 with the pop culture. It falls pretty flat here.
*The fact that the sharks hangout is on the Titantic is a cute gag, especially with the drawn picture from the movie. One of the few things that made me laugh out loud.
*The use of Jaws movie music as their theme song was kinda funny.
*Martin S. as the blow fish was inspired and pretty much the best thing in the movie.
*So Lenny is a vegetarian and needs to be accepted by his father, ok, sort of a cute premise but it's a bit much to hang most of the film on about his acceptance and Oscar getting over his want to be a movie star stuff.

Very underwhelmed when I left. Funny in spots, but really just not that funny and enjoyable overall. It's lacking warmth and depth of any kind of emotion.


ETA: The best thing was watching the new trailer for the Incredibles and then watching the trailers for Robots and Madagascar... all of which look much better than Shark Tale. The penguins are psychotic! had me on the floor laughing.
post #14 of 16
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$49 million opening weekend. maybe i should be a box office analyst.
post #15 of 16
Predicting that a large budget family film will dominate during an off-weekend in September when nothing else major is opening and it has no competition? My god, someone tell Miss Cleo she can move over.
post #16 of 16
The fact that the main character wears bling bling should be enough to proclaim this a pile of kelp. Not good kelp mind you, bad kelp.

Did Oscar remind anyone else of The Simpson's character Poochie?

What I'd really like is for someone to explain to me why fish use elevators.
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