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Spawn vs. Hellboy

post #1 of 65
9/27/04 at 5:04pm
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I'm not talkin' a movie either or who would win in a fight. Spawn would kick his ass though. What do people think when comparing the two films? They are pretty similar in basic plot. Man from hell fights evil. To me Spawn is a horror film while Hellboy is a superhero flick. Hands down the superior movie is Spawn in just about every category. Spawn also has a kickass soundtrack. Hellboy? Who cares.
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post #2 of 65
9/27/04 at 5:07pm
I'd ask if you were high, but there aren't enough drugs in the world to make Spawn a better film than Hellboy.
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post #3 of 65
9/27/04 at 5:11pm
Nuh-uh, Spawn might get in a few lucky hits and get Hellboy good and bloody ... but, Hellboy would just get pissed off and pount ol' Spawnie into bloody green paste.

& uh, the Spawn movie was better than Hellboy? ummmmm. Can your post even be taken seriously now?
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post #4 of 65
9/27/04 at 7:15pm
Hellboy was a fantastic movie, it suprised me and was one of my favorite movies of the year. Spawn was bloated and boring. I don't think you can even compare those too. I thought it was universally excepted that Spawn blew ass.
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post #5 of 65
9/27/04 at 7:17pm
I didn't think HELLBOY was great, but in my opinion comparing it to SPAWN is like comparing DAWN OF THE DEAD and ZOMBIE LAKE.
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post #6 of 65
9/27/04 at 7:36pm
I'd say Hellboy was better because of so many reasons. Acting, Pace, Effects, Plot, Del Toro knows his shit.
Spawn was a pretty good movie, I'd say underapreciated but no where near Hellboy in terms of quality.
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post #7 of 65
9/27/04 at 8:07pm
I'm more concerned about thinking of Spawn as a horror movie. What the hell? Come on, the bad guy is Kirk Douglas, not Damien.

For the record, I thought Spawn was bearable in a crappy-but-certainly entertaining way until they reached hell. That Satan was fucking awful.

Hellboy's stone fist would mash Spawn, Ron Perlman is hardcore.
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post #8 of 65
9/27/04 at 8:35pm
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I'm not surprised by the outcome of this so far. Hellboy, imo, was one of the most overhyped movies in recent memory. Terribly boring with little to distinguish itself from any other superhero movie. Now I love Del Torro but the material is just lame.


Spawn wins.
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post #9 of 65
9/27/04 at 9:29pm
Hellboy not living up to it's hype (which it didn't, despite being very good) doesn't really make Spawn a better movie though. Or the CGI Satan any less embarrassing.
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post #10 of 65
9/28/04 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by Lil'Otik
Spawn the Animated Series could kick Hellboy's ass.
You said it. I'm hoping to one day own it on DVD if possible, way better than the movie.

I think Spawn beats Hellboy because he is a better character, he is more interesting and violent, and his internal conflict is portrayed way better, you feel for him as he tears himself apart. Hellboy is too cartoony for me, there is too much humour and too many bad one liners.
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post #11 of 65
9/28/04 at 3:56am
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Originally Posted by Mr. Freeze
Nuh-uh, Spawn might get in a few lucky hits and get Hellboy good and bloody ... but, Hellboy would just get pissed off and pount ol' Spawnie into bloody green paste.

& uh, the Spawn movie was better than Hellboy? ummmmm. Can your post even be taken seriously now?
sorry dude, spawn would destroy hellboy, and i like hellboy more. hell, savage dragon bitchslapped the fuck out of hellboy.
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post #12 of 65
9/28/04 at 10:47am
I love them both...

And it would be an interesting conflict... but in the end Spawn would win.

But then again I am very bias since I love everything Spawn related...
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post #13 of 65
9/28/04 at 11:12am
This thread makes my soul sad.
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post #14 of 65
9/28/04 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Masoumi
Spawn was a pretty good movie, I'd say underapreciated but no where near Hellboy in terms of quality.
What's to appreciate?
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post #15 of 65
9/28/04 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
I'm not surprised by the outcome of this so far. Hellboy, imo, was one of the most overhyped movies in recent memory.
Only on CHUD.
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post #16 of 65
9/28/04 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
This thread makes my soul sad.
Mine too. I thought Spawn would have more support than he is getting.

People that think Hellboy is better are stupid.
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post #17 of 65
9/28/04 at 3:02pm
Why can't we just get along?

Hey Floyd I thought you loved the Lovecraft references in HellBoy?

Are you just baiting us poor Spawn fans?
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post #18 of 65
9/28/04 at 3:18pm
I'm dissapointed in this thread. Are we comparing movies or the characters themselves?
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post #19 of 65
9/28/04 at 3:36pm
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Heh, no I seriously think Spawn was a far more enjoyable movie than Hellboy with or without Lovecraftian references.

Billy it's supposed to be the movies but at this point it doesn't matter cause Spawn even has better action figures.

Spawn Wins!
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post #20 of 65
9/28/04 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Heh, no I seriously think Spawn was a far more enjoyable movie than Hellboy with or without Lovecraftian references.

Billy it's supposed to be the movies but at this point it doesn't matter cause Spawn even has better action figures.

Spawn Wins!
Damn straight!
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post #21 of 65
9/28/04 at 7:53pm
What the hell, how can anyone justify the CGI Satan at the end of Spawn!? It's single handedly one of the worst things I've ever seen.

There were two good things about Spawn, Jai White was perfectly cast, and so was the Midget clown dude. That's about all that made it watchable (until afformentioned CGI Satan, that is).
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post #22 of 65
9/28/04 at 8:39pm
Yes, the CGI Satan was really bad. But special effects are icing on the cake, they aren't what make an entire movie. I like Spawn for the characters and concepts, and the interesting storylines, not for the explosions and CGI.
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post #23 of 65
9/28/04 at 9:25pm
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To be fair I haven't read any of the Hellboy comics so I don't really know how it translated to the bigscreen but the movie didn't make me want to read them either. Spawn the movie was a faithful recreation of the characters from the comics. Spawn himself is one of the most interesting characters in comics I think. He is torn between what he is and what he was. He is pained by his losses and begrudgingly accepts who and what he has become. The movie put that on screen very faithfully.

Yes, John Luigizamo as the clown was perfect and should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor that year.

OK, the CGI wasn't the best but I've seen ALOT worse.
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post #24 of 65
9/29/04 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Spawn himself is one of the most interesting characters in comics I think. He is torn between what he is and what he was. He is pained by his losses and begrudgingly accepts who and what he has become.

So he's kinda like Batman.. except he looks like hamburger meat. Got it.
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post #25 of 65
9/29/04 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Hands down the superior movie is Spawn in just about every category.
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Spawn also has a kickass soundtrack.
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Spawn himself is one of the most interesting characters in comics I think.
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
Yes, John Luigizamo as the clown was perfect and should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor that year.
*speechless*
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post #26 of 65
9/29/04 at 9:18am
Yeah...that's right, kind of like Batman... except with powers, since batman is only a normal human with a grudge and a better looking costume.

And spawn battles both the Angels and the Daemons who fight for the possession of earth with little regards for mortals.

And just like batman the thing he longs for the most, is to be with his wife and child, whom he realise are the only things that really mattered to him, but that they are now inaccessible.

So on his journey spawn is confronted with what he has become over the years (a cold blooded killer/assassin) and what he is now a Spawn of Hell an agent of the devil in the war between Heaven and Hell.

His moral dilemma also come from: “understanding that he was a good man once, his love for his wife and daughter, his understanding of the world now that he has been awaken to, and the fact that he is more often than not the one who can tip the scales either way”.

Just like Batman.
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post #27 of 65
9/29/04 at 9:46am
And yet Hellboy is apparently the dumb superhero knock-off...

Seriously, anyone who thinks that Spawn is anything more than a sophomoric attempt by McFarlane to recast old superhero cliches in marketable goth-grunge clothing...well, let's just say I'd find their judgment to be highly suspect.

Even so, ignoring any comparisons to anything else, the Spawn movie is quite simply badly made. It's Batman & Robin level horseshit.

The concept of Spawn is a good one. However, the execution is cynical, facile and shallow. Comics, movies or characters - comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing Linkin Park to Black Sabbath.
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post #28 of 65
9/29/04 at 9:49am
Agreed. McFarlane has tried so hard and come so far, but in the end, it doesn't really matter.
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post #29 of 65
9/29/04 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
The concept of Spawn is a good one. However, the execution is cynical, facile and shallow. Comics, movies or characters - comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing Linkin Park to Black Sabbath.
On the nose, Dan.
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post #30 of 65
9/29/04 at 10:00am
Okay, so he's a LAME Batman. Fine.
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post #31 of 65
9/29/04 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by YeLLoWsAmUeL
For the record, I thought Spawn was bearable in a crappy-but-certainly entertaining way until they reached hell. That Satan was fucking awful.
You mean the Satan with the voice of Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget?
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post #32 of 65
9/29/04 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
And yet Hellboy is apparently the dumb superhero knock-off...
Bingo!
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post #33 of 65
9/29/04 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
Comics, movies or characters - comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing Linkin Park to Black Sabbath.

Well you're almost close Dan, comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing AC DC to Britney Spears.
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post #34 of 65
9/29/04 at 11:48am
Neither is Shakespeare, but Hellboy is the far superior series. From an artistic standpoint, from a plotting standpoint, and from a characterization standpoint, it's head-and-shoulders above anything McFarlane could ever produce. Maybe Spawn could've been great in the hands of a more capable writer and artist, but as it stands, it's a shallow series, with paper-thin angst replacing character development, and a rather dull Heaven and Hell McGuffin tying the whole sordid enterprise together.

As for Spawn : The Movie.. well.. it was just ass.
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post #35 of 65
9/29/04 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Charles B
Agreed. McFarlane has tried so hard and come so far, but in the end, it doesn't really matter.
Great on liner Fett.

But like Ministry says -So what.

Hellboy was a tired cliché in 82, when I DM’ed a game of Deamons children who fought against their origin and parents.
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post #36 of 65
9/29/04 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by AgentShaolin
You mean the Satan with the voice of Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget?
No I think he's talking about the Satan that looks like the Balrog.
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post #37 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Okay, so he's a LAME Batman. Fine.
Yeah...ok and the Batman movies were just fantastic weren't they?

Killing off the Joker in the first movie... Fantastic, nay Brilliant.

What a moronic series of movies to a great character.
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post #38 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Neither is Shakespeare, but Hellboy is the far superior series. From an artistic standpoint, from a plotting standpoint, and from a characterization standpoint, it's head-and-shoulders above anything McFarlane could ever produce.
My response to this could be: "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...you're joking right?"

But I'll just say let's agree to disagree, and I say from an artistic standpoint they should hirer someone who can actually draw comic book characters, that would be a great start right there.
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post #39 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:09pm
People like you are the reason comics almost died as any sort of art form in the mid-nineties.
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post #40 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
People like you are the reason comics almost died as any sort of art form in the mid-nineties.
That's not very nice.

I'll have a go at it.

People like you are the reason contraceptives were invented.

There it is fixed, thanks AH.
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post #41 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:24pm
People that prefer McFarlane to Mignola should be banned from reading comics forever. Ever. Fuckin' ever.

I will track down the violators (ZING!) and beat them stupid with a pile of Charles Schultz reprints.

And then Gary Groth will come pee on you.
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post #42 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by HellSpawn
That's not very nice.

I'll have a go at it.

People like you are the reason contraceptive were invented.

Contraceptive? Singular? Well, I'm glad I had a part in the creation of one condom on the date of November 17th, 1980.

Seriously, though, if you can't look at an artist like Mignola and see the craft and artistry in his work, then you don't have the proper eye for this sort of thing. It may not be your favorite, but to say he 'can't draw' is ignorant. I don't think McFarlane can't draw. I think he can draw, and fairly passably. What I think he lacks is the ability to rein in his linework and set up a page in an an attractive, readable manner. He's too much a product of the Image boom. More lines, crazier poses, less narrative coherence.

As for the Batman films, they may not have been great, but Jesus Christ, SPAWN WAS STILL A TERRIBLE MOVIE.
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post #43 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by HellSpawn
Hellboy was a tired cliché in 82, when I DM’ed a game of Deamons children who fought against their origin and parents.
And Spawn isn't? Please.

Mignola draws on influences ranging from Jack Kirby, film noir, Brothers Grimm and Lovecraft (not to mention the reams of real-life folklore he laces through his work) and comes up with something containing nuance, wit and passion.

McFarlane realises if he swaps Spidey's webs for chains, mixes in a little Batman grit and some overblown gothic angst he'll have the perfect comic for frustrated adolescents. Ker-ching. Let the action figures commence.

But really, this is one of those things that I consider a litmus test of taste. Saying Mignola can't draw comic books? Preferring Todd "I can draw one face" McFarlane?

Agree to disagree if you like, but you're wrong. Horribly, badly wrong.
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post #44 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Seriously, though, if you can't look at an artist like Mignola and see the craft and artistry in his work, then you don't have the proper eye for this sort of thing. It may not be your favorite, but to say he 'can't draw' is ignorant. I don't think McFarlane can't draw. I think he can draw, and fairly passably. What I think he lacks is the ability to rein in his linework and set up a page in an an attractive, readable manner. He's too much a product of the Image boom. More lines, crazier poses, less narrative coherence.

As for the Batman films, they may not have been great, but Jesus Christ, SPAWN WAS STILL A TERRIBLE MOVIE.
Ok, He can draw, and you're right, he has a certain artistry in his drawings. Unfortunately I'm not a fan of that art style and I don't think I ever could be.

Hey, you got to agree that killing off Batman main nemesis, his "raison d'être", the Joker in any movie is pretty absurd when you know the lore surrounding the Bat.
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post #45 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:48pm
But we're not talking about the first Batman movie here, which is, despite not being a particularly great BATMAN movie, is still a good movie, in and of itself. Spawn, on the other hand.. well, I guess it is a pretty great Spawn movie. It's all flash, is underwritten, and has no substance to speak of. Hellboy, while not a brilliant film, at least had heart, where Spawn just had a soulless husk, much like its protagonist.
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post #46 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:53pm
The sad thing is, I really liked the idea of Spawn at first. The notion of making a Faustian pact with the Devil and then finding out that each time you used your power, you inched closer to being reclaimed by hell. Nice dramatic setup.

For a limited series.

That soon went out of the window once McFarlane smelt the dollars.

And I don't think this can be stated often enough - the Spawn movie is SHIT. As an adaptation of an already average comic, as a standalone movie in its own right, as a "horror" movie.

SHIT.
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post #47 of 65
9/29/04 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead

McFarlane realises if he swaps Spidey's webs for chains, mixes in a little Batman grit and some overblown gothic angst he'll have the perfect comic for frustrated adolescents. Ker-ching. Let the action figures commence.

Agree to disagree if you like, but you're wrong. Horribly, badly wrong.

Seems he created Spawn way before he was drawing Spiderman.

And god forbid he be successful and make money off of his product, the bastard!

Oh well, if Dan says I'm wrong, well then I better change my taste to fit his own, it is the only thing I can do. You're funny Dan.


..."Only with the creation of Image Comics did Todd feel that he could begin publishing the comic he had created nearly 10 years before, Spawn. "Spawn is in this seedy, David Lynch kind of world that isn't quite right. I made it dark to make the guy who he is. If the shadows are removed, then the essence of the character is removed," Todd said.

When the first issue of Spawn was shipped in May 1992, it sold 1.7 million copies, making it the best-selling independent comic book to date. Since its debut, Spawn has continued to be a top-selling title in the United States and around the world. Spawn is published in 16 languages and sold in more than 120 countries. Several spin-off titles have evolved from Spawn, including Sam and Twitch and Hellspawn."...
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post #48 of 65
9/29/04 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
And yet Hellboy is apparently the dumb superhero knock-off...

Seriously, anyone who thinks that Spawn is anything more than a sophomoric attempt by McFarlane to recast old superhero cliches in marketable goth-grunge clothing...well, let's just say I'd find their judgment to be highly suspect.

Even so, ignoring any comparisons to anything else, the Spawn movie is quite simply badly made. It's Batman & Robin level horseshit.

The concept of Spawn is a good one. However, the execution is cynical, facile and shallow. Comics, movies or characters - comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing Linkin Park to Black Sabbath.
Have you seen the animated series?
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post #49 of 65
9/29/04 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by HellSpawn
Well you're almost close Dan, comparing Spawn to Hellboy is like comparing AC DC to Britney Spears.
Amen.
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post #50 of 65
9/29/04 at 6:45pm


Argument settled.
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