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Post Release Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Came out today, won't reach most stores until tomorrow. It's probably the biggest GameCube release of the year after Metroid Prime 2. It looks fantastic in a plumbers-high-on-shrooms kinda way... classic Mario, in other words.

I'm picking it up after work tomorrow. Anyone else buying it, or am I the only cool kid?
post #2 of 30
Just read a nice review of it over at GameSpot.

I never had the chance to play Paper Mario on the N64 (and I'm not really big on RPGs) but I thought Super Mario RPG for the SNES was simply fantastic. Definitely gonna pick this one up.
post #3 of 30
Agreed on Super Mario RPG. That game needs to get ported to the GBA now.
post #4 of 30
You beat me to the punch, Chest. The Gamespot review is great. Paper Mario 2 got a 9.3, and they're pretty fair when it comes to reviewing games.

Paper Mario 2 looks great. I guess I'm sort of biased though - I love 2D games and wish that more developers would experiment more with them. Well, this is a mix of 2D and 3D, which is even better.
post #5 of 30
Game Informer - 6.75

Their reasoning?

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Lisa and I both knew that our Paper Mario scores were going to cause controversy. Yes, we know that many people out there will love it. We also know that it is a well-made game. However, it also WILL NOT appeal to many people - I would safely say that more people will dislike it than like it. Why? Like we said in the review, it's a very kiddie game - it's target audience is clearly young gamers - I would say 10 and under. For that reason, we had to score it low. Remember, we aren't scoring games strictly on our personal opinions, we're also scoring them based on how much we think THE GAMING PUBLIC will like them. We've all played games that we personally disliked and scored them well because we've known that most people will like them, and we've also scored games low that we love, because most people won't enjoy them.

For example, I really like the bizarre frog golf game Ribbit King, and I gave it a 7, because it's just not for everyone. Paper Mario 2 also scored low because it's just not for everyone. If you think it's a 10 in your book, it's a ten in your book, and that doesn't change if we disagree. We're here to guide you on what games to pick up, but ultimately your personal opinion is what will make you buy a game or not.

I hope this helps.
That is really one of the most retarded things I've ever read.
post #6 of 30
Well, that was hilariously stupid. I'd rather they just say the game "sucks" than give such asinine reasoning.
post #7 of 30
Paper Mario just moved off my "buy" list. Looks like the Cube is still just waiting for Prime 2.
post #8 of 30
Sigh...as a disgruntled Cube owner who now owns an Xbox, I am still pissed at nintendo's lack of third party support and its perennial delaying of its AAA titles.

I think the only way I would go back to my cube is if my old Smash Brothers crew reunites or if they actually released a fucking sequel to Smash Brothers which I believe has been one of the systems best sellers forever now.
post #9 of 30
So were is this going to rank in the "kiddie" pantheon? I need to know if this is anything like Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga on GBA. I loved the fuck out of that game. If that game was a "kiddie" game... I'm a video game pedophile.

I can't believe I just typed that.
post #10 of 30
IGN made a slight comparison to Superstar Saga, and didn't say anything about it being kiddie. Maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to dismiss, still though, with everything coming out in the next three weeks I think I'll wait for a price drop.
post #11 of 30
This looks awesome. I will get it eventually. I've put some serious hours into Super Mario RPG in my time...
post #12 of 30
It sure looks "kiddie" to me, but I imagine that surprises no one here.
post #13 of 30
Gameplay and kiddie can work great. There's nothing bad about MarioKart's kiddiness, is there? I'm just not going to get it because I'm going to be tits deep in Halo 2 in about three weeks.
post #14 of 30
I own both the Gamecube and Xbox. While the Xbox provides me with "adult" games, I play the shit out of my Gamecube with titles like Mario Party and Donkey Konga. Seriously, if those are meant for kids, well, then I'm just a big kid. The 'Cube makes the best party games, and I sure hope Nintendo can stay in the console business for a long, long time as I sure need my "kiddie" game fix!
post #15 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomstick
Gameplay and kiddie can work great. There's nothing bad about MarioKart's kiddiness, is there? I'm just not going to get it because I'm going to be tits deep in Halo 2 in about three weeks.
I don't mind "kid-friendly" games, like Sly Cooper for example. Games that are meant to be engaging and charming for both adults and children without pandering completely to children's sensibilities. But to me, far too much of Nintendo's output falls into the "pandering" category. Garish primary colors, repetitive overly-bright synthesized music, silly characters that have come together in a "universe" completely accidentally and seemingly without rhyme or reason.

But, like I've said so many times before, I was a solid adult pc gamer by the time Nintendo began capturing the youth market, so I don't have the nostalgic affection for their product line so many twenty-somethings seem to have. I'm happy that they enjoy those games, but they aren't for me.

Mind you, I'm not trying to be anti-Nintendo here, just explaining why I personally don't find many of their games appealing.
post #16 of 30
I traded in a bunch of old GC games today that I do not play anymore and picked up Paper Mario. I'm about 3 hours in and I really like it. It's different. I haven't played any of the other Mario RPGs so I can't compare, but I think this game is pretty indepth for it being a Mario game and whatnot. Sorry, I suck at giving reviews, but if you have any questions I will answer them for you heh.
post #17 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemini
Lisa and I both knew that our Paper Mario scores were going to cause controversy. Yes, we know that many people out there will love it. We also know that it is a well-made game. However, it also WILL NOT appeal to many people - I would safely say that more people will dislike it than like it. Why? Like we said in the review, it's a very kiddie game - it's target audience is clearly young gamers - I would say 10 and under. For that reason, we had to score it low. Remember, we aren't scoring games strictly on our personal opinions, we're also scoring them based on how much we think THE GAMING PUBLIC will like them. We've all played games that we personally disliked and scored them well because we've known that most people will like them, and we've also scored games low that we love, because most people won't enjoy them.

For example, I really like the bizarre frog golf game Ribbit King, and I gave it a 7, because it's just not for everyone. Paper Mario 2 also scored low because it's just not for everyone. If you think it's a 10 in your book, it's a ten in your book, and that doesn't change if we disagree. We're here to guide you on what games to pick up, but ultimately your personal opinion is what will make you buy a game or not.
What the fuck did i just read?!

Ribbit King better than Paper Mario 2? Too kiddie?!

Have these people played the FIRST Paper Mario? Did I just read that they score games based on the public perception of them? Not appeal to them? What the hell? Am I on Earth 2?

Oh my god I can't even fully comprehend the stupidity of that review.
post #18 of 30
Thread Starter 
First, a word on the GameInformer review. They gave it a 6.75. They then explain they gave the game a 6.75 because it's a very good game, but not the type of game most people like to play. It's not mainstream, in other words.

Okay.

To put it another way- GameInformer doesn't review games based on whether they are good or bad... they said that Paper Mario 2 is very good, and they gave it a score that's typically seen on games handed out in McDonald's Happy Meals. So the review doesn't say anything about quality. Rather, the review... follow me here... is the what the author thinks the typical gamer thinks about the game.

Do I consider myself to be the typical gamer? No. I play adventure games, and the typical gamer (apparently, based on sales numbers) hates adventure games. I play old 2-D scrollers, and the typical gamer thinks that anything with less then 4 million colors and a gazillion polygons sucks. The typical gamer only owns a PS2, and plays mostly sports games on it. I rarely touch my PS2, and I hate sports games as a general rule.

I could care less what the "typical gamer" likes, because I'm not the typical gamer. This game review is like a film review by Leonard Maltin. Don't tell me what you think the average idiot wants to hear. Mr. Reviewer, tell me what YOU think, with a straight face.

OK... about the game. I'm a couple hours into it, and I can tell you it's inherited everything that's great about the Mario RPG series. The combat system keeps you engaged, the surreal environment is both familiar and foreign to Mario fans, the NPCs, enemies, and locations are colorful (literally and figuratively), the production values are astronomical. Please note: production value isn't the same thing as graphics whiz-bang. While the game is exercising some serious graphics muscle, the intended effect is low-tech. Like Viewtiful Joe or Zelda Wind Waker, the game has a whimsical style that's much harder to accomplish than it looks. When I say the game has high production value, I mean it looks very very polished. You can imagine a dozen well paid middle-aged men toiling for weeks over the design of a single room.

Boomstick- Yes, it's like SuperStar Saga in several ways. For one thing the combat system is pretty similar- each move has special timed button presses or other tricks you can use to make the move more effective. You can block every attack in the game, but you have to have great timing. You can see enemies on the world map before they attack, so you can avoid combat if you wish. But the best part is the dialogue- the wacky humor from SuperStar Saga is intact, and may even be sharper than before. Someone at Nintendo USA did wonders with this localization.

Finally, the best part of the game.. the BABES. Check this out:


Now that's what I call a HOTT piece of mushroom ass!
post #19 of 30
That actually made me Laugh out Loud, too bad the rep system's gone.
post #20 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
It sure looks "kiddie" to me, but I imagine that surprises no one here.
The quality of the gameplay transcends any of this.
post #21 of 30
Why does this game's cover have a gigantic "Best Seller!" star on the front? Isn't that a little optimistic...?
post #22 of 30
Friend purchased this earlier in the week. Will be playing a little of it tonight before we play a round of poker.
post #23 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slater
Why does this game's cover have a gigantic "Best Seller!" star on the front? Isn't that a little optimistic...?
It probably can't take much to qualify as a GameCube best seller.
post #24 of 30
This game fucking rules my world. It''s better than Superstar Saga which was great.
post #25 of 30
Yeah, this is a lot of fun so far. Some of the wittiest writing I've seen in an RPG in a long time.
post #26 of 30
Well, hearing it's like Superstar Saga, I'm sold. I'm just going to have to wait a couple months or so... at least until I get bored with Battlefront and had an adequate Halo fix.
post #27 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Agreed on Super Mario RPG. That game needs to get ported to the GBA now.
True. Is Earthbound on GBA yet?
post #28 of 30
I love this game...I'm on my way to get the 7th crystal star, wondering and hoping that I'm not as close to finished as I think I am...but this game is a total blast, and Mario is a paper badasssss!
post #29 of 30
Love it. Picked it up on Monday before my trip to St. Louis. Got it on that Toys R Us deal. I'm not too far in (just got my first Crystal Star thing), but it's a blast.
post #30 of 30
Beat this the other day. The final battle was quite satisfying and the ending was good. Cute, but good. All in all a worthwhile purchase and a fun 30 hours. It felt somewhat brisk compared to the time I spent on Tales of Symphonia.
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