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post #1 of 238
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The game has leaked to many a torrent site.
Here's an article on the reaction from Microsoft.

"Microsoft slams Halo 2 leak
by Tom Bramwell
Halo 2, Microsoft's most prized Xbox asset and its biggest hope for success this Christmas, has been leaked onto the Internet just days after developer Bungie officially completed work on the game and announced that it had shipped it off to manufacturing, and nearly a month prior to its official US release date, November 9th.

The highly anticipated first-person shooter has appeared on various newsgroups and websites already, and its proliferation amongst the underworld of Xbox gamers downloading illegal software is likely to be swift and damaging.

Earlier today a number of websites using the popular BitTorrent file distribution format indicated that hundreds of users were downloading the game, which reportedly clocks in at just under three gigabytes in size. Early reports suggest that it's a PAL version of the game with French language dialogue and English subtitles.

Reacting to the news this morning, Microsoft slammed those responsible and described downloaders and people hosting the file as thieves, encouraging real fans with any information to come forward and help it track down the source of the leak. The company's statement follows in full:

"Microsoft has learned that a version of Halo 2 has been posted to various newsgroups and web sites. We consider downloading this code or making it available for others to download as theft. We are currently investigating the source of this leak with the appropriate authorities. Pending the result of our investigation, we do not have further comment. Microsoft takes the integrity of its intellectual property extremely seriously, and we are aggressively pursuing the source of this illegal act.

"The launch of Halo 2 worldwide remains unaffected."

The good news for Microsoft is that only Xbox owners with modified consoles - a relatively small percentage of the total number of Xbox owners - will be able to play the game at all, and that the key Xbox Live component and the functionality it offers will be unavailable to pirates.
There is also a sense, given the popularity of the Halo franchise and the reverence most Xbox owners offer it, that a lot of the people downloading it this week and in the future will be rather more likely to buy it afterward than they would be with other games.

And even if that weren't true, the publisher would still be able to extract some small consolation from the fact that piracy is unlikely to deny Halo 2 a successful launch. As Doom III proved earlier this year, pre-release piracy isn't enough to stop a highly anticipated game hitting the peak of the charts.
It is nonetheless a source of some embarrassment for Microsoft, particularly with nearly a whole month to go before the game makes it onto high street store shelves, and it'll be interesting to see how the company deals with those responsible when it inevitably unmasks them."

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56931
post #2 of 238
The Bryan Adams song over the opening credits is very inappropriate.
post #3 of 238
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post #4 of 238
Those menu screens are AWESOME.
post #5 of 238
This sucks...not because I care about Microsoft's profit margin in the slightest, but because idiot fanboys won't be able to resist spoiling every plot twist, character and sequence over the next month.

And for chrissakes, can we just declare a spoiler moratorium in this forum for the next month? Seriously, if you want to discuss the Halo 2 story, don't risk ruining it for everybody else. Do it in email or just wait a month.
post #6 of 238
I'd heard that it was the French language version that had leaked (most likely from a localisation firm). Which would call into question the very English screenshots above.

EDIT: Just re-read the full news story. It's supposedly the dialogue that's French, with English subs.

Also, I don't see this impacting sales too much - the language issue may put off a lot of gamers, but the inability to play it on Xbox Live will certainly mean most will wait and buy it.
post #7 of 238
I will say that I'm disappointed no maps from Halo 1 were carried over to the sequel. Blood Gulch, Prisoner and Death Island seemed like sure things.
post #8 of 238
I'd vote for two separate release threads when the game hits, one with spoilers and one without. I'm sure I'm not the only person who won't be able to tear through it really fast like a lot of you guys.
post #9 of 238
wow. last night i thought this was a hoax story. But I know very few people who have a modded xbox, but i would imagine those that do would have the DVD burner to make a disc playable in their xboxs also.

But I doubt these idiots will be able to get online with xbox live. I am sure MS will lockout the product code linked to the leaked copy of halo 2.

Interesting though, I would like to get to know from non-press gamers how the game plays though.
post #10 of 238
I will never for the life of me understand how some people can go apeshit for spoilers in the 11th hour.

This goes for anything: movies, games, books, etc.

The closer you get to something, the less you should want it to be spoiled. Damn dorkasses... show at least a modicum of restraint and patience.
post #11 of 238
I hope these assholes get caught and punished to the full extent of the Covenant.
post #12 of 238
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Originally Posted by Fazer
But I doubt these idiots will be able to get online with xbox live. I am sure MS will lockout the product code linked to the leaked copy of halo 2.
XBConnect does essentially the exact same thing - sans downloading new content - as Xbox Live and is usable by modified Xboxes.
post #13 of 238
Maybe I'm a pussy, but considering how the entire might of Microsoft is probably scouring the internet for any and all downloaders right now, I can't imagine risking the $100,000 fine just to play the game twenty-odd days early. And I'm a Halo freak.

At least this hopefully won't affect the release date a la Half Life 2. THAT would be too much to handle.
post #14 of 238
It took me a while to finally get through the first Halo and by the time I did, it was without spoilers, and I think that I enjoyed myself more for that fact. That was back in August of 2002. Of ourse some time after that I signed on here and have gotten into the habit of spoiling things for myself, at least when it comes to movies. I actually enjoy it though. It's part of the hype machine for me and I like to jump in and get squished in the gears. I'm still very good at making up my own mind in the end though...

That being said, I'm gonna do my best not to let Halo 2 get spoiled for me, but the temptation will be there, as if that big hype machine was a giant magnet and I'm Mr. Metal. I've got it pre-ordered already and can't wait to get my hands on it. Of course it takes me forever to finish stuff and find time to do so probably by the time I get around to it all of the folks on here will be leaving me in their wake and enjoying the hell out of sharing their experiences... I'll be jealous, so I'll be here...

Did I actually have a point...?

I have no idea.
post #15 of 238
If I had the capabilty to get a bootleg, I might do it, but Microsoft'd still get my money regardless. The idea of a french dub of Halo 2 is so potentially hi-larious, I'd have to experience it.
post #16 of 238
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Originally Posted by Legless Dog
If I had the capabilty to get a bootleg, I might do it, but Microsoft'd still get my money regardless. The idea of a french dub of Halo 2 is so potentially hi-larious, I'd have to experience it.

Condamner ! Cortana, l'Covenant a envahi la terre. Nous sommes vissés. C'est en haut à moi, le Chef Professionnel, épargner le jour !



I hope that worked...
post #17 of 238
Thread Starter 
This is going to have more of a positive than negative effect on game sales. The number of people that have modded Xbox's is so insignificant that sales won't be affected at all by those players, most of which will probably buy the game anyway so they can play online and join clans, etc.

All the hype, media attention, and talk talk talk about Halo 2 everywhere... is nothing but good publicity for the game before it's release.

Anyway, I'm still eagerly anticipating waiting in line on that cold November midnight, ripping it out of the casheir's hand, and getting home to play this mother fuck legally on my unmodded Xbox!
post #18 of 238
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Originally Posted by Slater
At least this hopefully won't affect the release date a la Half Life 2. THAT would be too much to handle.
It won't. HL2 was way-early beta code. This is a game that's already being mastered for sale.
post #19 of 238
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Originally Posted by Legless Dog
If I had the capabilty to get a bootleg, I might do it, but Microsoft'd still get my money regardless. The idea of a french dub of Halo 2 is so potentially hi-larious, I'd have to experience it.
You have no idea how much French dubbing for video games sucks. Metal Gear Solid was ruined because of it, and I had to turn off the DJ in Burnout 3 after 30 seconds.
post #20 of 238
To be fair, EVERYBODY turned off that DJ after 30 seconds. Some hatreds are universal.
post #21 of 238
Well yeah, I heard the US one too and found it atrocious as well. But the French one is about a hundred times worse, if you can picture that.
post #22 of 238
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Originally Posted by Blunt
Well yeah, I heard the US one too and found it atrocious as well. But the French one is about a hundred times worse, if you can picture that.
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post #23 of 238
Hearing the covenant scream out those phrases in French(if they speak French) would be kinda funny. Forgive me for sounding like a 'stupid American'.
post #24 of 238
I want to play the game as much as these guys if not more, but for Pete's sake...fucking WAIT. The release date was firm. It's definitely coming. Do something else with your life until then.

I do mourn the loss of the great maps from part 1, but I magined this would happen when they talked about making the entire board interactive in that you could blow up walls, columns, and whatever else. Probably would've taken forever and a day to redo those maps with the new physics, vehicles, and features glitch-free. No more delays. Maybe that'll be a nice Xbox Live surprise. A free bonus pack of the best older maps after the release just like Unreal Tournament has.
post #25 of 238
This is very lame. Don't know why people would want to even spoil the gaming experience. Oh well, I'm still staying clear from spoilers, especially the story. You better believe that Microsoft will catch these bastards and make them pay.

Edited to say that some of the Halo 1 maps are rumored to be upcoming downloads - possibly for free.
post #26 of 238
I've got a buddy who has a modded XBox and has been known to download games to, and I quote, "You know, try them so that I know I'll want to buy them" (as opposed to doing what the rest of us do, namely RENT a copy or borrow it from a friend who already owns it). Even he thought the Halo 2 stuff was too much. I'm sure the temptation is there in his evil little heart to download it, but so far he seems set against doing it. Whether this is because he thinks it would be wrong to do it or whether he thinks he'd get caught, I dunno. I was just pleasantly surprised that he didn't already HAVE the damn thing.

I won't lie. The temptation to get a mod chip and get "free" games is definitely there. Part of me would love to get my grubby little hands on more games without paying for them. However, the rest of me realizes that this is, in the end, very destructive for the game business. I don't want producers to have to worry more about piracy protection than game development. I don't want potential game developers to get discouraged because piracy becomes too big a problem and their prospect of a job becomes more murky. Sure, you can argue that the piracy issue would have to be endemic to cause such problems, but it all has to start somewhere.
post #27 of 238
Nick's Steady Leak opinion on this was pretty weak. "Don't you people have better things to be doing with your time? Can't you just be patient?" brings nothing to the argument at hand.

If I worked at a game development company, sure I'd feel pissed if my game leaked before release. But I would also be able to recognize the reality of the situation. There is no stopping the spread of information or data on the Internet. Nor SHOULD it be stopped.

Technology and media distribution are changing rapidly, and there is a higher demand to get stuff instantly over the Internet. The game is complete, and yet there is the time lag of manufacturing and marketing before it can get in consumers hands. That's why Valve seems to have the right idea with Steam (even if their publisher has neutered it).

So, in this period of time between now and when publishers move to more secure online distribution, publishers are vulnerable to this type of thing. That's just the way it is. The sooner they realize this, the more money they will make.
post #28 of 238
I'm curious, what would be a bigger bone of contention around here, that someone with the opportunity to do so snagged a copy of Halo 2, or that this individual is distributing it for free?

There are people that don't bat an eye at ripping off a corporation, and I don't disagree with that out of hand. I do disaprove of the disrespect shown for the efforts of the individuals that create a piece of intellectual property. Those artists deserve to present it as they intended to their audience. It's not like there's any kind of subjective value in this instance that you could apply to bootlegging to justify the act (i.e. bootleg dvd's of the Vintage Trilogy).
post #29 of 238
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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese
Nick's Steady Leak opinion on this was pretty weak. "Don't you people have better things to be doing with your time? Can't you just be patient?" brings nothing to the argument at hand.

If I worked at a game development company, sure I'd feel pissed if my game leaked before release. But I would also be able to recognize the reality of the situation. There is no stopping the spread of information or data on the Internet. Nor SHOULD it be stopped.

Technology and media distribution are changing rapidly, and there is a higher demand to get stuff instantly over the Internet. The game is complete, and yet there is the time lag of manufacturing and marketing before it can get in consumers hands. That's why Valve seems to have the right idea with Steam (even if their publisher has neutered it).

So, in this period of time between now and when publishers move to more secure online distribution, publishers are vulnerable to this type of thing. That's just the way it is. The sooner they realize this, the more money they will make.
It wasn't a Steady Leak article, but rather a news item. You never know, maybe some people don't realize that it's harmful to download the stuff.
post #30 of 238
Sorry, I guess it was the title of the article "The Unsteady Leak" that fooled my brain.

OK, so you say it's harmful to download stuff. That would mean a loss of potential sales. This is fairly impossible to predict. There would have to be people who were going to buy it, but then decided not to because they downloaded it. All sorts of psychological factors at work here, making actual loss of potential sales impossible to measure.

There is also a benefit to a leak. Additional publicity, and people trying before they buy (thought that applies more to music than games). I think that evens things out a little.

I can completely respect the reasons for your viewpoint on this Nick. You hang with a lot of creative people in Hollywood, who hate to see their work get out in compromised form for free. I can understand this feeling. The thing is, the capabilites of the Internet are growing, and the MPAA and RIAA and game publishers are trying to remain ignorant of this fact. The spread of data on the internet can not, and WILL not be stopped. So the sooner everyone changes their attitudes and how they distribute media, the happier they will be.
post #31 of 238
So, let's say that more and more people started carjacking us in our driveways... we should just get more tolerant of it?

Bullshit.

There is nothing that can happen that's going to make me believe that because it's easier to do something that violates the law (and a law that makes perfect sense) that people have to accept it. What you'll end up getting because of this is a further invasion of your privacy. Believe me, lazy people are ruining it for everyone else.

It's just like the people who run ad blockers on free sites like mine but on a much larger scale. Their laziness and lack of understanding makes it harder for folks to do their job, in some cases impossible.
post #32 of 238
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
So, let's say that more and more people started carjacking us in our driveways... we should just get more tolerant of it?

Bullshit.

There is nothing that can happen that's going to make me believe that because it's easier to do something that violates the law (and a law that makes perfect sense) that people have to accept it. What you'll end up getting because of this is a further invasion of your privacy. Believe me, lazy people are ruining it for everyone else.

It's just like the people who run ad blockers on free sites like mine but on a much larger scale. Their laziness and lack of understanding makes it harder for folks to do their job, in some cases impossible.
I don't think things should remain the way they are, just because there are jobs on the line. Change is going to happen, and there is going to be a LOT less people employed and making money in the entertainment industry.

The carjacking analogy doesn't work, that's just comparing the 2 as "theft of property". Stealing a car is clearly, obviously a theft of physical property. Infinitely replicating electronic data can not be defined as property in that sense.

We've already got plenty of invasion of privacy with the DMCA, thanks to the political influence and massive legal force of the MPAA/RIAA. You fear that the Internet will be outlawed as well, just because those industries are too lazy and inept to embrace the online distribution that consumers crave? I think that is the fault of the INDUSTRY.
post #33 of 238
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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese
The carjacking analogy doesn't work, that's just comparing the 2 as "theft of property". Stealing a car is clearly, obviously a theft of physical property. Infinitely replicating electronic data can not be defined as property in that sense.
I think it works. Electronic property is just like anything else. Someone paid someone else to make the product for their use. Both fair game to use in the analogy.
post #34 of 238
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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese
The spread of data on the internet can not, and WILL not be stopped. So the sooner everyone changes their attitudes and how they distribute media, the happier they will be.
Hey, if you like stealing (and most of the time, I do), more power to you. But don't try to justify it like this, because you just wind up looking foolish.

If you're writing a novel, and I break into your house and steal the half-finished work one night and distribute it freely, it doesn't hold water to say, "Well, if you have completed the book faster and got it into bookstores, I wouldn't have been forced to pirate it. This is your fault." That's horseshit.
post #35 of 238
Man. . . what a strange argument, Kyle. Essentially you are saying, "If it's easy to steal, you should steal it." So if someone leaves a car running with the key in the ignition, I SHOULD steal that car. If someone drops some cash, I SHOULD pick it up and walk off with it. Morality or ethics don't enter into it, just opportunity.
post #36 of 238
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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese
You fear that the Internet will be outlawed as well, just because those industries are too lazy and inept to embrace the online distribution that consumers crave?
Y'see, Steam is online distribution. You pay for the product, it downloads, you play. THAT is online distribution.

This is bootlegs. This is not business, this is theft.

Shit, I download music whenever I can and I still find this to be beyond douchebaggery.
post #37 of 238
I'm not trying to advocate what MY behavior (I have no interest in downloading the game). I'm not trying to make excuses for people who download the game. I'm not trying to make this about any MORAL implications. I'm trying to explain how it is inevitable, and it reflects where the industry is heading.

Edit: Another clarification. My argument was not about the the person who PHYSICALLY stole the master disk. That person was obviously in the wrong. I'm talking about it's spread over the internet, why people want to download it, and how the publisher could learn things about consumer demand from this, instead of ignoring it.
post #38 of 238
It's just as inevitable that companies will pursue pirates with hefty fines like Microsoft is doing now, though. I think it's too early to pronounce the bootlegging industry as the way of the future just yet. I'm sure they are looking into ways to make piracey more difficult, of course. I just don't think they are going to accept this "free exchange" stuff in any way, shape, or form. It's too destructive to their business models.
post #39 of 238
The internet sucks... HAHA

Anyway I fully agree with most of you that "electronic theft" is still THEFT. Doesn't matter if it is downloaded or not.

I had an oppurtunity to mod my XBOX from a guy who I used to work with. But when I saw all his copied games I just felt realyl bad about doing it, I know it makes me sound like a pansy (which of course I am) but there is just something wrong about it.

Alright well I gotta go watch scrambled porn now...
post #40 of 238
the only thing that is tolerated on the internet is porn. I wonder if the porn industry gets into a big uproar when there newest tera patrick dvd is found being shared over limewire or something? Just curious.
post #41 of 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Reese
I'm not trying to advocate what MY behavior (I have no interest in downloading the game). I'm not trying to make excuses for people who download the game. I'm not trying to make this about any MORAL implications. I'm trying to explain how it is inevitable, and it reflects where the industry is heading.

Edit: Another clarification. My argument was not about the the person who PHYSICALLY stole the master disk. That person was obviously in the wrong. I'm talking about it's spread over the internet, why people want to download it, and how the publisher could learn things about consumer demand from this, instead of ignoring it.
Huh?

Why people want to download it is blindingly obvious. Microsoft KNOWS the demand for this game is high and they gain nothing by such a long wait int between Halo 1 and this. Bungie did the best they could to finish it ASAP, but they also didn't want to rush a half-assed product out. The game has the same play mechanics, but the code, graphics, jjand particulars are being created from scratch from the ground up.

How on Earth are you saying Microsoft or Bungie is ignoring consumer demand? The reason there's a lag between when the game is gold and when it hits stores is BECAUSE they want to make a bazillion copies to satisfy demand. There is NO other viable distribution method in existence wherein Microsoft could safely get the game into the hands of gamers IMMEDIATELY on Nov. 9.

Reese, I just think you're WAY off base here, man. I mean, wrong as fuck.
post #42 of 238
I agree with Slater. Halo 2 plots spoilers should be non-existant on these boards. I can handle knowing if they have system link co-op or not and I can handle knowing if they put any of those nu-metal shit bands on the in-game soundtrack, but I refuse to be spoiled on any of the plot and anyone who does so before November 9 should eat an instant ban (Up to Nick, though, although his article leads me to believe that he might just do that).
post #43 of 238
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
Huh?

Why people want to download it is blindingly obvious. Microsoft KNOWS the demand for this game is high and they gain nothing by such a long wait int between Halo 1 and this. Bungie did the best they could to finish it ASAP, but they also didn't want to rush a half-assed product out. The game has the same play mechanics, but the code, graphics, jjand particulars are being created from scratch from the ground up.

How on Earth are you saying Microsoft or Bungie is ignoring consumer demand? The reason there's a lag between when the game is gold and when it hits stores is BECAUSE they want to make a bazillion copies to satisfy demand. There is NO other viable distribution method in existence wherein Microsoft could safely get the game into the hands of gamers IMMEDIATELY on Nov. 9.

Reese, I just think you're WAY off base here, man. I mean, wrong as fuck.
If I've learned one thing from this thread, it's that I need to improve my command of the English language. My arguments have come out pretty muddled. I guess that's because I'm juggling all these different perspectives, and my major points don't really have anything to do with the Halo 2 leak.

The window from Gold to distribution for Halo 2 is pretty small, and consoles right now are by design required to rely on physical media. Of course there's nothing the industry can do about that right now.

They can't rely on it much longer, though. (Alright, this is the point where I went into tangent territory)

I mean exactly what I said about downloading in general, but I've now realized this was not the right thread for it.
post #44 of 238
Thread Starter 
I posted to have spoilers mentioned here because I figured it would be impossible to discuss the leaked game without bringing up something or other concerning the new game details.

However, having read Bungie's request, which can be read here...

http://www.bungie.net/News/Story.asp...D-77A67E324180

I've removed all possible spoilers, changed the topic title to avoid spoilers, I just need a mod to make it read as such on the videogame forum page. If any mod can change my topic title to read, "Halo 2 Has Leaked, DON'T Post Spoilers Here! " it would be appreciated, I did so in the edit box, but it's the title hasn't changed on the main forum. Thanks.


Anyway, considering pirated copies of this game will be locked out of clans and all the other stuff Bungie has planned for online play, I'm sure most the people that are downloading this will be buying it too.
post #45 of 238
XBConnect will likely not be able to play this game (until after release) because they won't be able to offer the required XBL patch. Existing XBL services can't handle certain features in Halo 2 (Clans, for one). Therefore, neither can existing XBConnect services.

Anyone who posts spoilers of Halo 2 on this board prior to release better get slapped around.
post #46 of 238
Thread Starter 
I'm going to be getting the "metallic" version of Halo 2 at the midnight sale, probably at E.B. The problem is there's going to be some dickhead that's played the whole game, in line. If they so much as mutter whatever big secret is in the game, I fear a riot will break out, and I'm not even kidding. They'll be lifted up by hundreds of angry Halo 2 fans and thrown thru the plate glass window of E.B!!
post #47 of 238
I was in class about 2 hours ago, and behind me this ass jockey was bragging about how he was downloading Halo 2 and would have it by tomorrow. Then he was saying how he was going to charge people $5 to play the game in his room. I wanted to turn around and slap him in the face with my cock, but of course that wouldn't have been too pretty.
post #48 of 238
SPOILER WARNING.....





I want this game
post #49 of 238
Making an illegal copy of a digitized data is not comparable to a carjacking, a mugging, or the theft of physical property.

That doesn't mean it's right and it shouldn't be punished, but on the other hand that doesn't mean we have to go crazy making comparisons that don't hold water.
post #50 of 238
I'd just like to say that if any of you post Halo 2 spoilers here, I'm going to take advantage of a Windows security hole to make a virus that kicks you in the balls over the Internet.
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