Halo 2 Has Leaked, Post Spoilers Here! - Page 2

Jesus. Thats quite the security hole.

I'd like to second that with paper cuts to that little flap of skin between your fingers.......

Kyle Reese, I must commend you on your outlook of the industry and the state of media at this current time. I know Nick's comment makes sense to him, but I cannot understand why.

Media has been in a place currently, that the industry does not understand at all, and have not done anything to compete.....to actually halt some of the leaks.......

Look guys....there are ways....that could be made, when a game,cd or movie goes gold......they could be sent into distribution immediately through broadband access. Even a junky ass computer in a gamestop or some junk could burn enough copies for distribution at that store. Industry standards must begin to evolve.....and evolve it hasn't. People now get more of their media online....and not through supposed 'legit' ways which aren't really legit to the people, as I mean, you try to download music, and you've got to worry about what you can use it on or how many times you can use it.

Anything coded in 0's an 1's is not really backed in the economy like physical property is, it's freely transferable, which shows that the industry does not have an ounce of understanding in the area......if something can be so freely transferable so Halo 2 is released a month before it's release date, there is some heavy industry problems, that will take years to catch up with, because they are so slow with what they can do with technology.

The music industry I believe in not having it's problems not because of online sharing, but because of it's shitty selection of current music fed to the mainstream consumers. I mean take a look at who has the top hits and you'll know what I'm talking about. Not only is media expensive as fuck, and the reason is, theres lots of shitty music, lots of shitty 100+ million dollar budget flops, short games with no story with too much attention to gameplay mechanics and not the whole picture. The inspiration is at a new low folks....in all areas.

Many people also don't understand the internet society and the 'share everything' attitude. The people that know the internet well understand that it's a community on it's own and that people are sick of the old ways of distribution. Music industry began because of it's selling of portable distributable products that people could listen to from the original artists of a song without seeing a live performance. The industry is dying; not only from their shitty selection of current modern music and their inablility to understand the internet and find new and cheaper ways to sell music. Actually the music industry will die because of the full connection of the world and the integration of cultures that understand the aspect of sharing with one another and not putting someone in jail because of 'a song', 'a film', or a 'video game', etc.

I will have my own film projects developing over the next year, and I cannot possibly fathom people getting fines or jail time for consuming art. It's ridiculous and frivolous, and needs to be ended immediately. The court system and the dollar squeezing entertainment industry holds back the upcomers. The current state of file-sharing is a boycott to the industry standards we currently have, and those standards are mediocre at best.

We should have a society, where you don't have to pay for entertainment, and I think that's what the internet community is about currently.

Entertainment is more expensive than food alright, unless you eat ramen all day, and that just shows that entertainment is only supposed to be meant for a certain pool of folks. Entertainment is not available to all, because it's not affordable. I mean you buy an album, and your like, I could make better shit in my basement on my pentium 166. You see a film and say, my 8 year old sister could write better garbage than that. You play a game, and especially in this time since there is only 1 good game per 25 games released, you feel let down all the damn time.

The internet trading and sharing, is about exposing people to entertainment on a massive level, just as it exposes people to information on a massive level. When more people are exposed to this entertainment, it starts to become collective, as people bonding to create better art styles of art forms. With exposure on this level, in current times, it's something that should be viewed as a phenomenon, if people are able to view and listen to art in a way they weren't able to before You'd gain a greater sense of inspiration listening to 100 albums over a period of a week, compared to the only one you could afford come paycheck time. 100 films over a period of a week, instead of being able to see only one. 100 games you can test and get to the few good ones.

Nick, of course poor people have more important things to worry about than entertainment such as food n shit, but they have a soul too, and are probably the ones more interested and hold a better taste in art than people in the middle or upper class, not saying that a certain class holds more taste than another, just it's usually the poor who come up, struggle, and make the inspirational piece of work about what they want to, usually it's the people who've been in the shitter heavily at some point in their life, that make it real, and project views into lyrics, paintings, games or movies stronger than others. The people who are poor have just a strong of an entertainment view as everyone else, if not stronger and on a higher wavelength.

The input and output of media has grown, something that is not understood by most. In this case with media, with Halo 2............ its out because the industry knows how to, but is to lazy to at this time, use a better way of distributing it's product when it goes gold, when a product goes gold, there are ways to get it out even quicker than what is being done currently, alot better ways.

The people who oppose digital piracy don't understand the internet? Heh.

Double heh.

The people who oppose digital piracy do not understand where the current state of media is going to go. It takes basic knowledge to understand the internet, but to understand it's culture and evolution is a whole nother story. The internet is no longer just the information superhighway, but an entertainment superhighway, all archived like a library. Anyone who has broadband access, can think of any rare movie or album an find it in a matter of seconds. But I have a strong feeling the RIAA and MPAA will face a crash n' burn scenario not only because they didn't look at 'digital piracy' in the right way, instead of competing with 'piracy', they let it go and just sued thousands of people for their choice of access to entertainment.

Internet piracy will soon be a thing of the past. As more and more people have access to broadband, more and more people have access to libraries of entertainment. I foresee a huge battle between consumers and the industry in the near future that will leave a new mark in the way most people view entertainment. More and more products will become open-source, there will be landmark new ways to transfer media from artists, the movie industry will evolve once digital projectors get into theatres everywhere. Projects aren't going to be about making a sexy return, but about once again exposing the idea.

With all due respect, you're a fucking retard.

In this perfect digital age of sharing that you envision, there's no money going towards the creators and producers of these games. Seriously, do you think Bungie is going to pour forty million dollars and three years into developing a game without any sort of compensation? The end result is that nothing worthwhile gets made, or that games are corrupted by outside advertising in an attempt to make up lost revenue (Nintendo and Pepsi present "Mario: The Quest for Quenching Your Thirst").

Just because something can be stolen and shared freely doesn't mean that you have some sort of inherent right to steal and share the material whenever you want to. And for the record, I *like* stealing. I've burned tons of downloaded songs and ROMs over the years. But I don't try to justify what I'm doing with some lame-assed talk about a new digital society of perfect harmony. Grow up.

I feel stupider having read BladeZero's post.

Entertainment should be free? I'll tell you a form of entertainment that's free. Masturbation. So go stroke it and leave the rest of the world the fuck alone.

People who steal HALO 2 suck and should be exposed as the dickless shits they are.

Once there's an input, it's out there for all to have. It's something you can't stop, no matter how much the product cost, it's a medium that can be duplicated, and can be duplicated freely, it's something that won't stop and will continue to grow excessively no matter what your view on the subject.

Now this whole perfect digital harmony bs....look it's not something that can be controlled, once something is coded in 0's and 1's it is no longer closed, it's open and can be easily distributed or duplicated in many fashions. Code can also easily be downloaded from another computer alot easier than you think I mean game code isn't always taken from a master disc.

And if MSsoft really cared about the protection of their product.....they'd figure out new ways of distribution for their products and security, since it's been embarassed time and time again because not only can it not secure windows and most importantly IE6 importantly, they don't secure themselves enough.

It's just what's been happening, and at an uncontrollable rate that is not looking like it won't be stopped, but create something new, especially with the amazing technology released in the last year.....I mean there is something the industry isn't able to keep up with, and that's technological innovation and growth.

You're still saying that stealing is right, and you're still ignoring the fact that time, effort and money goes into the creation of these forms of entertainment. All you're saying is that you feel like you're entitled to free videogames, which is pretty much bullshit. You want free videogames? Go to Yahoo or PopCap and play Rocket Mania to your heart's content. It's pretty fun.

As the one person on earth who doesn't care about Halo 2, even I think this is a pretty shitty situation. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Don't try and justify it or moralize it as part of your brave new world.

Oh, hey, this reminds me... Word on the street is that the DVD packaged with the LE version contains all the cinemas from the game and, as such, would be considered big ass spoilers. So, you know, don't watch the DVD until you finish the game if you don't want to be spoiled.

My view on this pretty simple though it won't be nothing that hasn't been said by various people already in this thread, Nick in particular, though I will be a bit more blunt with my wording of it.

It's a frigging luxury item, not a damn necessity. It's a want, not a need. You want it you can damn well pay for it. You won't die without it.

All this talk of a new distribution system is fine and good but it not in place for this product now is it? Maybe in the future they'd have something like that in place for it but for now they have another established dist system for it and they want us to use that one.

Don't want to for whatever reason, well tough, you don't have to get it at all.
It's not YOUR game to make that call you know...

Well, that's my 2 cents...

Again, just because you CAN do something doesn't make it a brilliant fucking idea. Right now, I COULD take a cheese grater and grate all the skin off my legs and then take a lemon juice and salt bath.

Thieves are thieves are thieves. Robin Hood is dead. Bit Torrent isn't online distribution. Kazaa isn't online distribution. To go "Oh, we're supporting freedom" while depriving a studio that coughed up millions of dollars and 3 years of manpower of their hard-earned compensation is fucking stupid.

You know, in the middle of all this hand wringing (read the editorial at IGN and it's hard not to picture the writer shaking with tears of silent rage...Jesus), I've gotta say that I really don't care if anybody feels like downloading this game on November 9th, or 10th, or anytime after that. You want to send a fuck you to the system and get a free game in the process, that's fine with me. What pisses me off is when overeager morons jump the gun months in advance and risk ruining the game for the rest of us. How long has Half-Life 2 been delayed because someone stole the source code? A year now? And that sucks.

I'm always happy when somebody bootlegs an unreleased album, because that means it usually arrives in stores faster. But bootlegging unreleased games seems to have the opposite effect. So, yeah, fuck these guys. Steal all you want, just don't inconvenience me.

Yeah honestly, I don't believe that the delay was because of the source code theft. More like Valve making promises they couldn't have possibly held.

Obviously businesses need money to run. Artists need money invested to first produce their art, and they need to make money off their art.

I honestly have no idea how this is going to work in the future, I just know it's going to be a lot different. I don't think people will be making as much money in entertainment.

Exactly. The game just wasn't anywhere near finished. As we speak, they are hammering out the last of the bugs.

I'll be first in line to buy it on Steam when it's out.

Blood gulch was hardcore...a pity...

But who knows, maybe they'll let us mod it...
I can always hope...

New site is up: www.halo2.com

Pretty cool. It appears to have some stuff that will be unlocked the closer we get to release...

That new Halo 2 site is wierd as fuck, but pretty nifty and interesting.

Regarding BladeZero, there is a big difference between copying a CD and putting it on the net, and stealing the data before it's released and then putting it on the net. Because stealing the data IS theft, they stole a copy from the printing factory and as a result have spoilt all the years of hype and secrecy regarding Halo 2's plot. The plot now SHALL be spoiled, whether we in paticular learn of the spoilers or not. If it had gone on the net after it's release, fair enough arseholes would still download it, but in doing so wouldn't ruin it for the honest consumers. The plot wouldn't be spoiled for us, and they wouldn't have had the priviledge of playing the game before us for free, when we who play fair come last.

I think everyone else has already shot you down with your New World Order of entertainment theory, so I'm not going to bother. Needless to say, there is change coming with the advent of online file sharing, but it is not going to be the right to download whatever the fuck you want for free. Instead I imagine more official online distribution from studios (eventually they will start selling their own movies to download I imagine), with more advanced security methods for doing so.

I think we are losing sight of whats important here. The game. Whether or not something is stealing in the digital world is something that an individual's conscience and the supreme court will decide.

YeLLoWsAmUeL putting a cd online and stealing a game ahead of time is not very different at all. In fact there's no difference at all man. It's like opening the vault and giving other peoples shit away for free. I think music has just become less taboo because people do it so much over the years. Same with using TiVo or a VCR to record movies and TV shows. Hell you have some pretty big companys profiting from a service that is basically stealing intellectual properties. Yet no one complains about that. And no there is no difference especially now that TiVo's can even record onto a DVD. You can go back and forth debating what you consider to be piracy or not, but hell if you're gonna have a bitch fit about one have a bitch fit about all of em. BTW Sam this wasnt directed at you or anything you just happened to be the last one to comment.

Not to condone stealing Halo 2 or anything, because i think Bungie deserves our gratitude(cash), but being angry because of spoilers is a load of shit too. Thats like being agry because someone finished the game before you did. Would anyone even be bitching about it if this happened next month? No cuz games get pirated all the fucking time, and no one says shit. Most are just angry that someone else has it before they do. Just wait till next month when this thread becomes the "ITS FINALLY OUT" thread, and even more copies of the US version are pirated, and no one even cares.

Hell if you dont want spoilers dont read anything that has to do with it. If you're patient enough to wait for the game im sure youre patient stay away from Halo2 discussions, especially those sneaky ones labeled Spoilers. And no i havent pirated it either, i dont even have an xbox anymore. But if i did, i honestly would get both the pirated version and buy a copy when it came out. Why? Cuz if it leaked that's their bad, i'm a fan, and whether i get it the day its released or tomorrow it makes no difference, especially if i'm buying both. But then thats just me, im sure there are people who will never buy it after downloading it.

Here's a spoiler that nobody will like.

Breaking Benjamin, Hoobastank and Incubus have contributed to the soundtrack. I'm listening to the Breaking Benjamin "contribution" right now (from here ), and it's making my balls shrink.

Bad move, Bungie.

There will never be a soundtrack that everyone likes, no matter how many genres EA crowbar into their annual releases. I personally like Incubus and Hoobastank, although I know some people loathe them. Plus you dont know what context these songs will be used under, they may well just be over the ending credits.

EA has nothing to do with this. The Halo soundtrack was just fine. Actually, no. It was flat-out great. Know why? It was original. It was atmospheric. And it fit the game perfectly. Bungie don't need commercial tie-ins with second-rate nu-metal bands because the 14-year-olds will buy the game regardless.

Besides, if I want to listen to power guitars while I blow shit up, I'll turn down the volume on the TV and put on my own selection, thank you very much. Nor do I want to be greeted with a half-baked metal tune after I've sweated through the game on 'Legendary'. Didn't these people learn anything from the Oakenfold/Dave Matthews shitfest from the Matrix Reloaded?

Concerning the Halo 2 soundtrack and the Halo2 in-game music: Check out this article at 1UP.com.

First, it appears that songs on the soundtrack aren't necessarily sounds in the game (a common practice for film OSTs). The "inspired by" crap will be the music from Hoobastank et al.

This is the stuff that's actually making it into the game. It's a little sucky... but at least it's all instrumental (and hopefully extremely rare).

Anyway, I don't think we have to worry about booting up Halo 2 on the 9th and hearing the music from Burnout 3.

Ya calm down everybody. WE arent going to be hearing hoobastank and breaking benjamins blaring through our surround sound speakers november 9th.

All these bands are fans of the game and have written some music inspired by it which will go on a second album. You won't hear it in the game.

This instrumental stuff im sure will be handled very classy by Bungie's Music Gurus because they arent idiots. All this stuff has come out near the game's finishing also...which means the final version already has the in game music finalized.

Well, that calmed me down. Fair enough, I'll reserve any bitching and moaning until I play the game.

Oh, the sweet irony

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.ph...51#post1286651

http://www.devincf.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=6569

So do I, Nick, so do I.

This is Halo 2, not fucking Law and Order. And I'm assuming Devin downloaded those after they were released, so he wasn't ruining 3 year's of secrecy regarding a plot for the sake of playing before anyone else.

Many may disagree, but I believe there is a difference between downloading any game thats already in circulation, compared to downloading a leaked game surrounded by hype and secrecy. One doesn't change a thing (if you downloaded it then you probably wouldn't consider buying it anyway, you got it out of curiosity) and one ruins the patience and experience for other gamers around the world.

So it's ok to download once the game/film/album is released? Cool. I'd like to hear what Nick has to say on the subject some more given that his underlings are merrily downloading copyrighted material, and in the case of Micah simultaneously berating others for doing so. Kerry could learn from his flip-flopping.

This was originally a spoiler thread with spoiler in the title. Are you so at the mercy of your impulses that you can't look away or simply not click a link? How does my downloading of the game affect your perception of it? You're displaying a classic symptom of autism with that histrionic display. Seek medical attention.

Also, you're on a movie preview and scoop site decrying spoilers? What thought processes led you to that bizarre conclusion?

Huh huh . . .he said underlings, Beavis.

Like the above post said, people have been waiting 3 years for Halo 2. To have it possibly ruined by a couple of people who just can't wait a few weeks is really sad.

I didn't condone piracy of released material, I just said it's different to this, and it is. And quite what your perception of 'Halo 2 has leaked' is that makes it a spoiler is beyond me.

Yes this is a spoiler thread, but as of now nobody has posted any real spoilers because almost everyone here is universally decrying the piracy of this game and I'll imagine it will stay that way, so for now this thread is safe for me to enter. As soon as some clever prick starts posting spoilers then I'll stop reading.

Your perception of a game matters sweet fuck all to me, but if you were to talk about events in the game that I and any other gamers were supposed to discover for themselves, and have be closely guarded for god knows how long because of this, then thats an issue.

Child, grow up. You've done a search for the term 'piracy' and plastered up everything you found posted by Micah, Devin, and Nick. Devin's copied games (and hasn't posted ANYthing in here about Halo 2). Micah said something about pirating a particular album rather than buying it blind (but I notice he said it about an album he loathed). Nick's said he opposes piracy (which is a shocking revelation... because... ummm...)

A question: What the FUCK does it matter?

This is some pitiful attempt to assuage your conscience. Someone says "I don't think you should pirate games" and your reply is "But Devin does it!! Waaahhh!" Micah says "If you can't wait an extra three weeks for a legal copy you have the self-control of a horny rabbit" and you say "But you suggested downloading a piece of shit album!! Sob!" Nick says "Copy Halo 2 and meet your maker" and you say "But Devin and Micah have talked about pirating stuff!! Boo-hoo!" Jesus Christ, what a whiny bitch.

Here's a clue. About a dozen people in this thread (so far) have expressed their strong desire to have no spoilers posted here, or anywhere else on the boards, about the plot of Halo 2. I don't care what the fuck the title of the thread is. I've been waiting for this game too long to have the plot spoiled by some internerd showing off.

Now, here's a question for you, my precocious moral relavist: Why the fuck should I pay $50 for this game, when you got it free? Hmmm? Tell me why I'm being a chump.

Sphinx, so you can play it online of course . You can't play a game on xboxlive with a backup copy of a game, you need the full copy. Can't play it online unless XBconnect(alternative online method that actually got the original Halo working online) accepts the game, makes some games that aren't enabled for xbox-live play online through system link. But if I read up more on X-Link Kai I might find some new stuff out.

Now I do believe it costs money to produce music, film, and games and such. Shit, where else would the ability come to produce a high quality piece of entertainment. Just it's not my choice, the way entertainment is starting to go, and what's happening online, which I think the whole digital sharing breakthrough that some people are trying to dubunk in this forum, is not fully understood, if they've seen the growing mass of users downloading using music, games,movies, programs and junk online a la mirc, bittorrent, The Spy Crapware (Kazaa), emule and other programs that enables free transfers from one user to another. Now I think we all have to respect privacy, rather than worrying about the people downloading junk. Privacy is a major concern on the internet in this point in time, and there is legislation being thrown out there and certain powers in government and the industry who want to change that, which has made the file-sharing community online grow with privacy rights activists. I mean they already have the ability to check anyone they want to with the Patriot Act II. Terrorists kill 3,000 people out of 300 million or some shit and we lose our rights? What the hell?

But I mean, the way the world is going to end up converting, is to a more open-source society, and the effects on how that will have on entertainment is unknown.

Heh, that's one reason, certainly.

And that's the other reason. Hey, I'm all for an open source society. Sounds great. But this sucker cost $40 million to make, and someone has to pay that tab. If it doesn't get paid, more games won't get made. Simple. If you work really hard at making widgets, and no one pays you for your widgets, you're an idiot if you keep making widgets.

There may be some people who don't understand this... who don't comprehend how and why stuff gets made. They're just ignorant. They really believe that professional games will keep being made even if no one pays for 'em. But most people aren't that stupid... they know that someone's going to pay. So I feel that most people downloading... stealing... this game do so knowing that the only reason this game exists, and that other future games will exist, is because chumps like me are paying for them.

So to people like monkeycupcakes I say "You're welcome. I'm willing to subsidize your entertainment, and you're welcome. You should thank the gaming gods that not everyone's like you."

If people impatient for the skinny on upcoming games/films make you sad then why the hell are you on this site? Also, that Agent Shaolin I read posting spoilers in the GTA : SA thread must be an impostor. Or a hypocrite. Micah and Nick welcome you to the club.


May I suggest reading posts before replying to issues the poster never brought up? At no point did I sugggest you condoned piracy. It's considered good form when replying to specific posts to address what was written within them, not some spurious notion of it vaguely familiar with reality. I didn't suggest you condoned piracy, and quite how you inferred that has me in bemused befuddlement. I am serious when I ask if you have Asperger's.

I've run this through babelfish in various permutations and drawn a blank.


We're off to a wonderful start with this glowing example of adult discourse.

No. Nick and Micah tell us that piracy is bad and downloaders should be punished, while elsewhere his staff not only admit to it but in Micah's case encourage it. A mixed message if ever there was. I'm seeking clarification.

I think we can both agree that Devin is capable of defending and/or justifying his actions without your misguided help. Having been on the end of many of his tirades in threads I've not been involved in it's refreshing to place the shoe on the other foot for a change. He'll be in here soon enough imploring me to post at Scorched Planet.

Your observational skills are astounding. By your logic, if Halo 2 turns out to be "bad" then I'm fully justified in downloading it? Sweet. I'm puzzled as to why this argument hasn't been utilized in one of the many RIAA court cases. I'm not, really. It's probably alot to do with it being FUCKING stupid.


I don't KNOW, but ranDOM capitalisation IS GREAT FOR EMPHASIZING MY STUNTED VOCABULARY. Alternatively, it could be something to do with my intense dislike for hypocrisy.


What purpose does mock-exaggerating my post and calling me a whiny bitch serve? You agreed to the rules of this board when you registered, and I recall that, to paraphrase, treating your fellow posters with respect and politeness is paramount. I could have happily done without the repellant glimpse of the misogyny lurking in your psyche.



12 people support your view against lonely me. But wait! Thousands of people are downloading the game as we speak, so by your logic I win! Thanks for playing.

BladeZero has the answer to that question.

This is how I, an adult, speak to children.

And I say you're pull quoting, placing the burden of Micah's convictions on Nick for some unfathomable reason, and dodging the issue. Even IF Micah has pirated music... why does that make it right? And why can't Nick hold his own opinion on the matter? It's a red herring, and it insults people's intelligence.

Obviously, Devin can defend himself. My question is, what does Devin's opinion on piracy have to do with anything? Devin hasn't even made a comment in this thread. You seem to think that if someone (Devin) who contributes to the site supports piracy, then everyone else on the whole damn board should too. That's idiotic.

Your observational skills are not so astounding. Micah made the argument, not me. It ain't my logic. I was merely trying to put Micah's post about piracy in some kind of context.

Heh! To hell what other people on the board want! Which leads me too...

So treating people with respect is paramount one moment (when you're the one being attacked), and treating them like shit is just fine (when you're the one dumping spoilers). Got it. Interesting, from someone claiming to hate hypocrisy. Let me just say that you can call me anything you want, and I won't go screaming to mommy. But if you post spoilers... I still won't go screaming to mommy. But you'll certainly appear on my ignore list.

Also, what does the number of people downloading the game somewhere on the planet have to do with the number of people requesting 'no spoilers' on this board? Do you see the problem? Board != planet. Downloading != spoiling. Your argument != sensible.

Most readers, I believe, will understand that I capitalized the word "fuck" for a reason. Do I really have to explain it?

BladeZero has an impractical vision of free entertainment. And you haven't answered my question.

Oh, gosh, ya got me. No...wait.

The two situations are absolutely nothing alike.

I'm not condoning piracy of Mos Def's record. Quite the opposite, if you bothered to post my full comments, I was warning people AWAY from the record altogether. Hence me saying please listen to it/download it/whatever before you buy it, so that you do not waste your money.

Which has nothing to do with Halo 2. We're all looking forward to it, and if someone was so insecure as to not know whether Halo 2 would be worth the money and wanted to try it before they buy it, they could simply rent it WHEN THE GAME IS RELEASED LEGALLY. There's no such option for Mos Def's record aside from downloading his record or borrowing it. That's before, during, and after the release. And I assure you, I've discarded the MP3s containing his garbage of a record.

I'm not trying to be the moral judiciary here. Like most people, I've downloaded MP3s of music I actually like from file sharing sites. I also buy the records when they're available. If there were a rental/try before you buy option like with video games, I'd do that too. All I'm saying is that waiting is a lot more prudent here because the theft of Halo 2 endagers the game and its prompt release for other people. Simply waiting for the nicely and inexpensively available rental option is not only the morally right thing to do, but the most sensible thing to do for all involved. But I guess trying - and failing - to play Gotcha! is easier than reading and thinking. I'll be happy to correct you down the line as well. Toodles.

No it isn't, it's how a child acts when it plays being an adult. Having children myself, I have quite a bit of practical knowledge in this area. What about your credentials?

Micah, Devin, Robyn *shudder* and the rest of the gang do represent CHUD and by extension Nick. Nick chose those people to work on the site, making him the "boss" of this operation. The buck stops with him. What you're asserting is that Nick can make blase statements without anyone questioning him. Fuck that. I find my intelligence insulted by someone telling me not to download when only days earlier they were encouraging the same act on the ridiculous grounds that the album was below par. It's a nigh on textbook definition of hypocrisy, and one that angers me.

Nick would reprimand the readers of CHUD for illegal downloading while turning a blind eye to his staff doing the same? That's idiotic. That's why I would involve Devin (and Micah) in this discussion.

It was your logic - you extrapolated the notion from Micah's post. Semantics are fun!

The inference being that because the album was crap it somehow made it acceptable to download it. I guess he'll be encouraging us to download Meg soon enough.

Either I am divulging spoilers or I'm not, unless I'm the internet forum equivalent of Schrodinger's cat, hurtling through cyberspace. You're talking utter nonsense in a shitty attempt to discredit me. Better luck next time.

Substituting SomethingAwful buzz-phrases for reasoned debate ! = intelligence.

I'll answer your questions once the CHUD overlords have answered mine. After all, ladies first!

No, they're not. Because on the one hand you encouraged illegal downloading and on the other you didn't. They're opposite!

How do you not condone piracy by downloading an album? And then by telling people to download it rather than buy it? Stop digging for a minute and recognise you've done wrong.

I don't know what music shop you go to, my regular haunt's employees will play an album for me with a smile on their face. Unless you're desperately scrabbling for excuses, and I know you'd never do that.

www.amazon.com
www.ebay.com
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Nonsense. It's already gone gold. This ain't Half Life 2. It's not as if people downloading Radiohead [the 'Hail to the thief' album, as I recall] pre-release didn't cause them any problems, is it?

Was downloading the Mos Def album morally right as well? And why are you talking about morals if you're not "not trying to be the moral judiciary"? I'll be more than happy to point out your hypocrisy. Waffle all you like, fact is you advised people to download. Then you said it was bad and shouldn't be done. That you refuse to acknowledge this outright, bald-faced hypocrisy is both hilarious and sad. Toodle pip!

And once again, after leaping through some hoops, you fail to answer the simple question. Why should I subsidize your entertainment? Why should anybody?

Is that addressed to me, who doesn't download and has no need to ( I love my rich hubby ), or is that for Micah the self-confessed downloader?

Yes, monkey, that's for you. I was responding to this, from you:

Was that rhetorical? Well, maybe it was. In any event, your downloading of the game doesn't affect my "perception of it". That's a silly idea- I get the same game whether you downloaded it or not. But your downloading of the game does affect the people who made this game, and the game industry as a whole. The more people who believe they are entitled to free entertainment, the lower quality entertainment we get in the long term. And that DOES affect me.

So... Why should I subsidize your entertainment? Why should anyone?

The quote you pulled from me was addressing YeLLoWsAmUeL's wacky meanderings. He was suggesting by my mere downloading of the game it would affect his perception of it. Internet hive mind, or something. Classic symptom of autism, if you ask me.

You shouldn't subsidize mine or anyone elses entertainment. Get this - I don't download. I did mention this in my previous post, try to keep up. So, if I may, I'll pass your question on to Micah and ask him "why should The Sphinx always gets the sake and others subsidize your entertainment?".

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Monkeycupcakes is some Scorched Planet idiot not worth arguing with further.

Because she doesn't agree with you? Don't you encourage free speech and debate? Or is it only when you think you'll unconditionally win?

And that's your defense? My man thedudeabides sums it up well.

The logical conclusion of your take on downloading is that you should somehow be immune from life's disappointments and upsets; essentially that you have some form of divine right to not spend money on something you subjectively consider to be an inferior product. That's an awesome superiority complex you've got going on there. Do you spend much time at the beach ordering the tide about?

Seeing as I'm now lumped in with the Scorched Planet jokers I expect it'll be all the lame excuse you need to snuff me out. Kudos to you for beating Devin to the line on that one. Before you disappear me, how does pulling you on your hypocrisy mark me out as Scorched Planet? Oh, wait...

So, if/when Micah does pull the plug on me I'd just like to say that I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Messageboards on fire off the shoulder of Ohio. I watched admins twitter in the dark near the internet gate proxy server. All these posts will be lost in minutes - like tears in rain. Time to die.