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post #1 of 24
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With the brand spanking-new DVD coming next Tuesday, I thought I would remind people how insane our favorite fatty can be sometimes be. I recall this idiotic review way back when I first discovered the sometimes insightful wordsmithing by the former lard-ass. For all the ones he nails, he makes my soul sick with blunders like this.

In my top five of favorite movies-----ever!

Motherfucker.


The Thing


BY ROGER EBERT / January 1, 1982


A spaceship crash-lands on Earth countless years ago and is buried under Antarctic ice. It has a creature on board. Modern scientists dig up the creature, thaw it out, and discover too late that it still lives--and has the power to imitate all life-forms. Its desire to live and expand is insatiable. It begins to assume the identities of the scientists at an isolated Antarctic research station. The crucial question becomes: Who is real, and who is the Thing? The original story was called "Who Goes There?" It was written by John W. Campbell, Jr., in the late 1930s, and it provided such a strong and scary story that it inspired at least four movie versions before this one: The original THE THING in 1951, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS in 1956 and 1978, ALIEN in 1979, and now John Carpenter's 1982 remake, again called THE THING.
I mention the previous incarnations of THE THING not to demonstrate my mastery of The Filmgoer's Companion, but to suggest the many possible approaches to this material. The two 1950s versions, especially BODY SNATCHERS, were seen at the time as fables based on McCarthyism; communists, like victims of the Thing, looked, sounded, and acted like your best friend, but they were infected with a deadly secret. ALIEN, set on a spaceship but using the same premise, paid less attention to the "Who Goes There?" idea and more to the special effects: Remember that wicked little creature that tore its way out of the astronaut's stomach? Now comes this elaborate version by John Carpenter, a master of suspense (HALLOWEEN). His THING depends on its special effects, which are among the most elaborate, nauseating, and horrifying sights yet achieved by Hollywood's new generation of visual magicians. There are times when we seem to be sticking our heads right down into the bloody, stinking maw of the unknown, as the Thing transforms itself into creatures with the body parts of dogs, men, lobsters, and spiders, all wrapped up in gooey intestines.
THE THING is a great barf-bag movie, all right, but is it any good? I found it disappointing, for two reasons: the superficial characterizations and the implausible behavior of the scientists on that icy outpost. Characters have never been Carpenter's strong point; he says he likes his movies to create emotions in his audiences, and I guess he'd rather see us jump six inches than get involved in the personalities of his characters. This time, though, despite some roughed-out typecasting and a few reliable stereotypes (the drunk, the psycho, the hero), he has populated his ice station with people whose primary purpose in life is to get jumped on from behind. The few scenes that develop characterizations are overwhelmed by the scenes in which the men are just setups for an attack by the Thing.
That leads us to the second problem, plausibility. We know that the Thing likes to wait until a character is alone, and then pounce, digest, and imitate him--by the time you see Doc again, is he still Doc, or is he the Thing? Well, the obvious defense against this problem is a watertight buddy system, but, time and time again, Carpenter allows his characters to wander off alone and come back with silly grins on their faces, until we've lost count of who may have been infected, and who hasn't. That takes the fun away.
THE THING is basically, then, just a geek show, a gross-out movie in which teenagers can dare one another to watch the screen. There's nothing wrong with that; I like being scared and I was scared by many scenes in THE THING. But it seems clear that Carpenter made his choice early on to concentrate on the special effects and the technology and to allow the story and people to become secondary. Because this material has been done before, and better, especially in the original THE THING and in ALIEN, there's no need to see this version unless you are interested in what the Thing might look like while starting from anonymous greasy organs extruding giant crab legs and transmuting itself into a dog. Amazingly, I'll bet that thousands, if not millions, of moviegoers are interested in seeing just that.
post #2 of 24
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We know that the Thing likes to wait until a character is alone, and then pounce, digest, and imitate him--by the time you see Doc again, is he still Doc, or is he the Thing? Well, the obvious defense against this problem is a watertight buddy system, but, time and time again, Carpenter allows his characters to wander off alone and come back with silly grins on their faces, until we've lost count of who may have been infected, and who hasn't.
Well, he pretty much just singled out what makes the movie such as classic. As a negative point.

For more Ebert misfires, check out his review of Die hard, or perhaps his recent review of Team America, where he seems to have completely missed the point.
post #3 of 24
I'm no expert but I think one of Carpenters strong points IS his characters. Ebert can't call a horror movie.
post #4 of 24
Although I don't agree with most of the points in that review I do agree with what he said about the characters. Carpenter may have built some strong characters in other movies but I think in The Thing they fell kind of flat.
post #5 of 24
Ebert never really did like horror movies. Though I believe he gave a positive review to Ghosts of Mars of all movies. He is still far better then most critics.
post #6 of 24
This is the thing with ebert, when I agree with him (which is usually most of the time) it's spot-on 100%, but when he's wrong he can just misfire completely and totally over react, and in these cases I find it hard to possibly disagree any more with him.
post #7 of 24
I honestly can't understand someone who could be negative about this movie. From the first time I saw it on TV all the way to DVD the movie has been nothing short of a classic. Ebert can be wrong alot but he can be right on occasion. His lukewarm reaction to Fellowship of the Ring always struck me odd though. He gave it thumbs up but you'd think he had thought about going either way after he reviewed it.
post #8 of 24
His buddy Roeper's negative reaction to the Fellowship struck me as hysterical. "It's just a ring, big deal" what a moron.

One of my favorite reviews by Ebert is his review of the TCM remake where he said he had the strong urge to walk outside in the sunshine and eat an apple or something like that. He just doesn't have the stomach for horror.
post #9 of 24
Nope Ebert is no horror fan.
post #10 of 24
I agree with Roger Ebert like 85% of the time, but this was one of those times that I didn't agree with him. I think The Thing is just a brillaint film. Ebert does change his mind on a film from time-to-time, so if he was aked today what he thought about the film, I wonder what he'd say. He did change his mind on the original Dumb and Dumber a few years after-the-fact. Maybe he did the same with The Thing? I guess that would be a good question for The Answer Man column he does.
post #11 of 24
I thought it was funny how Ebert dogged Blue Velvet because Ms.Rossilini got the shit kicked out of her in the movie, but she just turned around and told Ebert to jam it
post #12 of 24
I believe he's also reversed his opinion on Raising Arizona, which he didn't care for the first time around.
post #13 of 24
Ebert also hated Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, which goes to show how lame people's tastes get when they're old
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by El Topo
Ebert also hated Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, which goes to show how lame people's tastes get when they're old
I find that Ebert tends to dislike films based on books that he enjoyed, and may have trouble separating the movie from the book. That definitely comes through in his Fellowship of the Ring review, and I think it's related to his lack of enthusiasm for Fear and Loathing (which, in the interest of disclosure, I'll admit that I share--though he's too hard on the movie).
post #15 of 24
No, I think is review was more along the lines of "all those wide lenses and weird angles made me feel sick" - I'd be surprised if he loved the book beforehand since Gilliam translated its tone and style perfectly to the screen I thought. But it's true that generally everyone is disappointed by a film if they've read the book first, that's nearly always the case - it certainly was for me and Lord of the Rings.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by El Topo
No, I think is review was more along the lines of "all those wide lenses and weird angles made me feel sick" - I'd be surprised if he loved the book beforehand since Gilliam translated its tone and style perfectly to the screen I thought. But it's true that generally everyone is disappointed by a film if they've read the book first, that's nearly always the case - it certainly was for me and Lord of the Rings.
Well, considering he spends the first 3 paragraphs talking about HST and the book in general, speaking of it in very praising terms, it would appear that he loved the book beforehand.

I think that the characterization of the movie as "perfectly" capturing the tone and style is a subjective one, though. In my view, Ebert's right about the way the movie becomes overly episodic, largely (but not completely) sacrificing the satiric sociological overtones of the book and replacing them with the aforementioned "wide lenses and weird angles."
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by PodBayDoor
I think that the characterization of the movie as "perfectly" capturing the tone and style is a subjective one, though. In my view, Ebert's right about the way the movie becomes overly episodic, largely (but not completely) sacrificing the satiric sociological overtones of the book and replacing them with the aforementioned "wide lenses and weird angles."
That's all well and good if Ebert was doing a comparison and contrast of the book and the movie. But he's reviewing the movie and should at least attempt to review the movie without being influenced by outside forces. The same goes for his "The Thing" review. He was expecting the characters to act a certain way and when he didn't get that, he blasted the movie for it.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by billylove
That's all well and good if Ebert was doing a comparison and contrast of the book and the movie. But he's reviewing the movie and should at least attempt to review the movie without being influenced by outside forces. The same goes for his "The Thing" review. He was expecting the characters to act a certain way and when he didn't get that, he blasted the movie for it.
Well, you can say what you want about Ebert (and trust me, I take issue with plenty of his reviews, and the recent 'opening of his archives,' so to speak, has only made it worse), but he never pretends that he's giving you anything other than his own take on a movie. He consistently writes in the first person, and, in my opinion, he makes his biases pretty transparent without coming right out and saying, "I like movies with big chested women."
post #19 of 24
As far as Ebert and LotR's goes when I watched his review of it on TV he acted as though he remembered nothing from the books and I believe he also mentioned he hadn't read them all. In that case he just blew the call as to what a great achievement the movie actually was. Jackson got his props though so it's all good.

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how do you get to his reviews?
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
As far as Ebert and LotR's goes when I watched his review of it on TV he acted as though he remembered nothing from the books and I believe he also mentioned he hadn't read them all. In that case he just blew the call as to what a great achievement the movie actually was. Jackson got his props though so it's all good.

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how do you get to his reviews?
I think you can get them off the show's website or chicago sun-times.com.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Floydian Trip
As far as Ebert and LotR's goes when I watched his review of it on TV he acted as though he remembered nothing from the books and I believe he also mentioned he hadn't read them all. In that case he just blew the call as to what a great achievement the movie actually was. Jackson got his props though so it's all good.

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how do you get to his reviews?
His written review makes it clear that he has read the book:

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Wondering if the trilogy could possibly be as action-packed as this film, I searched my memory for sustained action scenes and finally turned to the books themselves, which I had not read since the 1970s. The chapter "The Bridge of Khazad-Dum" provides the basis for perhaps the most sensational action scene in the film, in which Gandalf the wizard stands on an unstable rock bridge over a chasm, and must engage in a deadly swordfight with the monstrous Balrog. This is an exciting scene, done with state-of-the-art special effects and sound that shakes the theater. In the book, I was not surprised to discover, the entire scene requires less than 500 words.

Settling down with my book, the one-volume, 1969 India paper edition, I read or skimmed for an hour or so. It was as I remembered it. The trilogy is mostly about leaving places, going places, being places, and going on to other places, all amid fearful portents and speculations. There are a great many mountains, valleys, streams, villages, caves, residences, grottos, bowers, fields, high roads, low roads, and along them the Hobbits and their larger companions travel while paying great attention to mealtimes. Landscapes are described with the faithful detail of a Victorian travel writer. The travelers meet strange and fascinating characters along the way, some of them friendly, some of them not, some of them of an order far above Hobbits or even men. Sometimes they must fight to defend themselves or to keep possession of the ring, but mostly the trilogy is an unfolding, a quest, a journey, told in an elevated, archaic, romantic prose style that tests our capacity for the declarative voice.

Reading it, I remembered why I liked it in the first place. It was reassuring. You could tell by holding the book in your hands that there were many pages to go, many sights to see, many adventures to share. I cherished the way it paused for songs and poems, which the movie has no time for. Like The Tale of Genji, which some say is the first novel, "The Lord of the Rings" is not about a narrative arc or the growth of the characters, but about a long series of episodes in which the essential nature of the characters is demonstrated again and again (and again). The ring, which provides the purpose for the journey, serves Tolkien as the ideal MacGuffin, motivating an epic quest while mostly staying right there on a chain around Frodo Baggins' neck.

...


That "Fellowship of the Ring" doesn't match my imaginary vision of Middle-earth is my problem, not yours. Perhaps it will look exactly as you think it should. But some may regret that the Hobbits have been pushed out of the foreground and reduced to supporting characters. And the movie depends on action scenes much more than Tolkien did. In a statement last week, Tolkien's son Christopher, who is the "literary protector" of his father's works, said, "My own position is that 'The Lord of the Rings' is peculiarly unsuitable to transformation into visual dramatic form." That is probably true, and Jackson, instead of transforming it, has transmuted it, into a sword-and-sorcery epic in the modern style, containing many of the same characters and incidents.
His TV show sucks. His written reviews are worth reading, though. And you can find them at www.rogerebert.com.
post #22 of 24
I agree. They are always very well written and he knows film better than just about anyone but he clearly doesn't like horror. Here's his TCM review, a good read yet he only gives this film classic 2 stars.....


Now here's a grisly little item. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is as violent and gruesome and blood-soaked as the title promises -- a real Grand Guignol of a movie. It's also without any apparent purpose, unless the creation of disgust and fright is a purpose. And yet in its own way, the movie is some kind of weird, off-the-wall achievement. I can't imagine why anyone would want to make a movie like this, and yet it's well-made, well-acted, and all too effective.

The movie's based on factual material, according to the narration that opens it. For all I know, that's true, although I can't recall having heard of these particular crimes, and the distributor provides no documentation. Not that it matters. A true crime movie like Richard Brooks's "In Cold Blood," which studies the personalities and compulsions of two killers, dealt directly with documented material and was all the more effective for that. But "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" could have been made up from whole cloth without any apparent difference. No motivation, no background, no speculation on causes is evident anywhere in the film. It's simply an exercise in terror.

It takes place in an isolated area of Texas, which five young people (one of them in a wheelchair) are driving through in their camper van. They pick up a weirdo hitchhiker who carries his charms and magic potions around his neck and who giggles insanely while he cuts himself on the hand and then slices at the paraplegic. They get rid of him, so they think.

But then they take a side trip to a haunted-looking old house, which some of them had been raised in. The two girls laugh as they clamber through the litter on the floor, but one of the guys notices some strange totems and charms which should give him warning. They don't. He and his girlfriend set off for the old swimming hole, find it dried up, and then see a farmhouse nearby. The guy goes to ask about borrowing some gasoline and disappears inside.

His girl gets tired of waiting for him, knocks on the door, and disappears inside, too. A lot of people are going to be disappearing into this house, and its insides are a masterpiece of set decoration and the creation of mood. We see the innocent victims being clubbed on the hand, hung from meat hooks, and gone after with the chain saw.

We see rooms full of strange altars made from human bones, and rooms filled with chicken feathers and charms and weird relics. And gradually we realize that the house is inhabited by a demented family of retarded murderers and grave robbers. When they get fresh victims, they carve them up with great delight. What they do with the bodies is a little obscure, but, uh, they run a barbecue stand down by the road.

One way or another, all the kids get killed by the maniac waving the chain saw -- except one girl, who undergoes a night of panic and torture, who escapes not once but twice, who leaps through no fewer than two windows, and who screams endlessly. All of this material, as you can imagine, is scary and unpalatable. But the movie is good technically and with its special effects, and we have to give it grudging admiration on that level, despite all the waving of the chain saw.

There is, for example, an effective montage of quick cuts of the last girl's screaming face and popping eyeballs. There are bizarrely effective performances by the demented family (one of them, of course, turns out to be the hitchhiker, and Grandfather looks like Dustin Hoffman in "Little Big Man"). What we're left with, though, is an effective production in the service of an unnecessary movie.

Horror and exploitation films almost always turn a profit if they're brought in at the right price. So they provide a good starting place for ambitious would-be filmmakers who can't get more conventional projects off the ground. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" belongs in a select company (with "Night of the Living Dead" and "Last House on the Left") of films that are really a lot better than the genre requires. Not, however, that you'd necessarily enjoy seeing it.



Then the remake which he gives no stars and makes it perfectly clear that deep down he needs Siskel or now Roeper to hold his hand. I find this one hysterical.............................



The new version of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is a contemptible film: Vile, ugly and brutal. There is not a shred of a reason to see it. Those who defend it will have to dance through mental hoops of their own devising, defining its meanness and despair as "style" or "vision" or "a commentary on our world." It is not a commentary on anything, except the marriage of slick technology with the materials of a geek show.

The movie is a remake of, or was inspired by, the 1974 horror film by Tobe Hooper. That film at least had the raw power of its originality. It proceeded from Hooper's fascination with the story and his need to tell it. This new version, made by a man who has previously directed music videos, proceeds from nothing more than a desire to feed on the corpse of a once-living film. There is no worthy or defensible purpose in sight here: The filmmakers want to cause disgust and hopelessness in the audience. Ugly emotions are easier to evoke and often more commercial than those that contribute to the ongoing lives of the beholders.

The movie begins with grainy "newsreel" footage of a 1974 massacre (the same one as in the original film; there are some changes but this is not a sequel). Then we plunge directly into the formula of a Dead Teenager Movie, which begins with living teenagers and kills them one by one. The formula can produce movies that are good, bad, funny, depressing, whatever. This movie, strewn with blood, bones, rats, fetishes and severed limbs, photographed in murky darkness, scored with screams, wants to be a test: Can you sit through it? There were times when I intensely wanted to walk out of the theater and into the fresh air and look at the sky and buy an apple and sigh for our civilization, but I stuck it out. The ending, which is cynical and truncated, confirmed my suspicion that the movie was made by and for those with no attention span.

The movie doesn't tell a story in any useful sense, but is simply a series of gruesome events which finally are over. It probably helps to have seen the original film in order to understand what's going on, since there's so little exposition. Only from the earlier film do we have a vague idea of who the people are in this godforsaken house, and what their relationship is to one another. The movie is eager to start the gore and unwilling to pause for exposition.

I like good horror movies. They can exorcise our demons. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" doesn't want to exorcise anything. It wants to tramp crap through our imaginations and wipe its feet on our dreams. I think of filmgoers on a date, seeing this movie and then -- what? I guess they'll have to laugh at it, irony being a fashionable response to the experience of being had.

Certainly they will not be frightened by it. It recycles the same old tired thriller tools that have been worn out in countless better movies. There is the scary noise that is only a cat. The device of loud sudden noises to underline the movements of half-seen shadows. The van that won't start. The truck that won't start. The car that won't start. The character who turns around and sees the slasher standing right behind her. One critic writes, "Best of all, there was not a single case of 'She's only doing that (falling, going into a scary space, not picking up the gun) because she's in a thriller.' " Huh? Nobody does anything in this movie for any other reason. There is no reality here. It's all a thriller.

There is a controversy involving Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Volume 1," which some people feel is "too violent." I gave it four stars, found it kind of brilliant, felt it was an exhilarating exercise in nonstop action direction. The material was redeemed, justified, illustrated and explained by the style. It was a meditation on the martial arts genre, done with intelligence and wit. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is a meditation on the geek-show movie. Tarantino's film is made with grace and joy. This movie is made with venom and cynicism. I doubt that anybody involved in it will be surprised or disappointed if audience members vomit or flee.

Do yourself a favor. There are a lot of good movies playing right now that can make you feel a little happier, smarter, sexier, funnier, more excited -- or more scared, if that's what you want. This is not one of them. Don't let it kill 98 minutes of your life
post #23 of 24
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He's a big wet pussy when it comes to any disturbing images. Siskel definitely wore the pants in that relationship.
post #24 of 24
You are the dumbest person currently posting here.
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