How come the righties love the Kurds?

Ah, they're FREEDOM fighters, not terrorists, you silly goose. Besides, they were gassed by Saddam. That makes them heroes.

I'm not a rightie. Independent thanks. Kurds have done terrorism in Turkey of that there is little doubt. I think giving the biggest nationless Arab population their own country was beneficial considering they were being kept alive by our no fly zones. If Iraq and Afganistan (oh and notice I don't say when IF because who knows) become free and independent that'll be 50 million Arabs out from under the Taliban and Saddam.

Curious if you felt the Union (North) should have invaded the south over slavery and states rights? After all we know those lovely red states you adore were just itching to give Jamal rights and freedom. Why do Arabs also not deserve freedom?

IIRC, the PKK is a Marxist organization - which would make them rather strange bedfellows for the conservatives.

Insults, Insults and more Insults. Brand and label all you want and by all means stay away from forced freedom brought by the gun.

Not to mention there would be nothing left of the missile to put on display.

Guess you missed the footage of a Sudanese man picking up a fragment eh Werbal?

America was built by terrorists devin, its all subjective. The kurds have been oppressed for a long time, that doesnt excuse their rebel organisation's more violent tactics in Turkey but I guess everyone resorts to violence in the end when nobody takes them seriously. You must remember, the Turkish government tried to basically exterminate all Kurds from Turkey, trying to wipe out their identity by supressing their own culture, even forbidding the language being spoken or written, or anything Kurdish related being practised at all, and all the while the Kurds make up a large part of the Turkish population, all of eastern Turkey is packed with Kurds. All they wanted (still want) is to be acknowledged as human beings, that they exist and they arent going anywhere, they want the same rights as Turks. And slowly its happening (Turkey wants to be in EU obviously), people are allowed to bloody well speak in Kurdish now, but there's still some ways to go before they're treated seriously.

The Kurd's saying is "The Kurds have no friends but the mountains" and aint that the Goddamn truth.

And thats a good topic to debate about, I agree. The most obvious and relevant case these days is the US's involvement with Bin Laden, Saddam, and Israel. Where do you draw the line? It seems that the US government only draws the line when they cant get anything out of the terrorist organisation involved. How about somebody tells the CIA to stop fucking around with terrorists and other peoples business? Might help. I think they got Saddam in the 60's and Bin Laden during the Russia/Afghan phase, and as we can see karma does its thing and we get 9/11 and Iraq war part 2. (assuming Laden was responsible for 9/11, cant tell anything these days)

America was built by terrorists... Wow.

As for the foundations of this nation being laid by terrorists, one need only point to the great pains that were taken by the colonists to first seek equal representation in the existing government. When the crown was unwilling, they resorted to a political seperatist movement and were eventually forced into a war that many did not want.

To most of the people of the world, (pre 9-11) terrorists who didn't blow up anything in your country weren't really terroists. The fact that there were actually these Bondian global terror organizations run by mad zelot millionares who were absolutly willing to hold the world for ransom, was a startleing realization.

The Kurds didn't have any friends and they went the other route. Now, we are trying to curry their favor to have those fifty million or so arabs look favorably on the democratic political process and hopefully embrace it, instead of terrorisim.

I'd say that any terrorisim that the Kurds may have engaged in, in a far off land, will likely be beneath the notice of most Americans and ignored by those currently in office for the sake of expediting the building of the new Iraqi government.

The Kurds are at this point interested in any situation that might provide them with a country of their own. Will that prove to be the Kurdish people as stable part of Iraq or will the U.N. decide to carve off a piece of Turkey and create yet another Israel? We'll just have to wait and see.

The bottom line seems to be no matter who you are, if you're willing to stand with us now, we're willing to let car bombs in another country slide. Provided that you don't do anything to embarras us in the meantime.