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Aid Worker Hassan Believed Slain in Video
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D94N00.html

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Margaret Hassan, the British aid worker kidnapped after decades of helping Iraqis, is believed to have been murdered by her captors, a British government official said Tuesday, based on a video that showed a hooded militant shooting a blindfolded woman in the head.

No other female hostage is known to have been killed in the wave of kidnappings that have beset Iraq.

More than 170 foreigners have been abducted this year, and at least 34 killed. One woman - a Polish-Iraqi citizen - remains captive.

Hassan's family in London said the longtime director of CARE in Iraq was likely the victim, and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said analysis of the video received by Al-Jazeera television showed Hassan has "probably been murdered, although we cannot conclude this with complete certainty."

CARE said it was in mourning for the 59-year-old Briton, a veteran humanitarian worker known around the Mideast for her concern for Iraqis - particularly during the years of U.N. sanctions, whose effects on children she vocally denounced.

"To kidnap and kill anyone is inexcusable," Straw said. "But it is repugnant to commit such a crime against a woman who has spent most of her life working for the good of the people of Iraq."

In an emotional appeal on Al-Jazeera, Hassan's Iraqi husband, Tahseen Ali Hassan, said he had heard of the video but did not know whether it was authentic.

"I appeal to those who took my wife (to tell me) what they did with her. ... I want my wife, dead or alive. If she is dead, please let me know of her whereabouts so I can bury her in peace," he said, his voice choked with tears.

The video shows a hooded militant firing a pistol into the head of a blindfolded woman wearing an orange jumpsuit, said Al-Jazeera spokesman Jihad Ballout. The station received the tape a few days ago but had not been sure of its authenticity until recently, he said.

"We invited British diplomatic officials to come and view it," he told The Associated Press. "It's now likely that the image depicts Mrs. Hassan."

Ballout said the station would not air the video and would not broadcast any acts of killing, outside war. Al-Jazeera has been under pressure not to show videos of kidnapped foreigners.

Hassan was abducted in Baghdad on Oct. 19 on her way to work, the most prominent of more than 170 foreigners kidnapped in Iraq this year. Her captors issued a series of videos showing her weeping and pleading for Britons to act to save her. In one video, she fainted and a bucket of water was thrown on her to revive her.

In one video, she begged British Prime Minister Tony Blair to withdraw troops from Iraq and calling for the release of female Iraqi prisoners.

On Sunday, U.S. Marines found the mutilated body of what they believe was a Western woman on a street in a Fallujah during the U.S. assault on the insurgent stronghold. The U.S. command said the body had not been identified as of Tuesday night.

Besides Hassan, the only Western woman known to be held was Teresa Borcz Khalifa, 54, a Polish-born longtime resident of Iraq seized last month.

A Blair spokesman said the prime minister "sends his sympathy to the family of Margaret Hassan and shares their abhorrence at the cruel treatment of someone who devoted so many years of their life to helping the people of Iraq."

CARE said it was "with profound sadness" that it learned of the video. "The whole of CARE is in mourning," said the group, which closed its Iraq operations after the kidnapping.

Hassan's four brothers and sisters also said they believe she is dead, although their statement did not mention the video.

"Our hearts are broken," they said in a statement released by the British Foreign Office. "We have kept hoping for as long as we could, but we now have to accept that Margaret has probably gone and at last her suffering has ended."

The family said, "Those who are guilty of this atrocious act, and those who support them, have no excuses."

Al-Jazeera reported on Nov. 2 that Hassan's captors threatened to turn her over to followers of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Three days later, al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq group called for Hassan's release and promised to free her if she fell into their hands, according to a message posted on a Web site known for publishing messages from Islamic militant groups.

Al-Zarqawi and his men have been blamed for numerous deadly car bombings and the slayings of foreign hostages, including three Americans and a Briton.

Born in Ireland, Hassan also held British and Iraqi citizenship. She met her husband at the university and moved with him to Baghdad. Friends said she converted to Islam. Before the war, Hassan mostly worked on projects to provide clean water and improve education, said Carel de Rooy, a UNICEF representative who once worked with her there. Hassan was an outspoken opponent of the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.
Not sure if this is her body, could be the other western female hostage ...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...359053,00.html

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In the south of Fallujah yesterday, US Marines found the armless, legless body of a blonde woman, her throat slashed and her entrails cut out. Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the US Navy Corps, said that she had been dead for a while, but at that location for only a day or two. The woman was wearing a blue dress; her face had been disfigured. It was unclear if the remains were the body of the Irish-born aid worker Margaret Hassan, 59, or of Teresa Borcz, 54, a Pole abducted two weeks ago. Both were married to Iraqis and held Iraqi citizenship; both were kidnapped in Baghdad last month.
post #2 of 75
This is just fucking sick. I can understand that they are angry at Westerners, and they have a good reason to be, but how can they not take her life into account. This woman deserved their thanks, not execution.
post #3 of 75
I think this unfortunate case highlights perfectly the devilish intricacies of what is a rather unique "insurgent problem" facing the Allies in Iraq. In one group you have the secular nationalists who want an end to the occupation and a return to “old Iraq”. In another group you have the bloodthirsty entrepreneurs who view hostage taking as a profitable means to a hefty ransom. The religious right is split into two groups: Fundamentalists who want to see the imposition of Islamic Law on what has been a “godless country” for far too long and Fundamentalist radicals who consider the fight against corrupt Western values to be a more important issue (it's likely this group wants to keep the Allies in Iraq). The only common denominator between them all is a willingness to brutalise, torture and murder hostages whose pitiful pleadings don’t achieve their aims.

I am no expert on the history of insurgency, but it doesn’t take a savant to understand that attempting to “take on”, or even negotiate with, such a diverse range of opinions, beliefs and (often incompatible) ideologies is like trying to weave baskets out sand.
post #4 of 75
This killing really baffles me. By all accounts this is the type of person that insurgents should NOT be killing.
post #5 of 75
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Originally Posted by Werbal_Kint
This killing really baffles me. By all accounts this is the type of person that insurgents should NOT be killing.
It's certainly confusing when you have the ilk of Al Zarqawi condemning her execution. Even stranger, the group involved has never been identified. Middle Eastern experts suggest this is the work of Iraqi nationalists, how much credence can be attached to this claim is anyone’s guess I suppose.

Suffice to say this incident serves as a grisly lesson to all those who consider the situation in Iraq to be a simple “us versus the terrorists” battle.
post #6 of 75
You think it was more ratz?
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
You think it was more ratz?
Hey, there you are! Nick was wondering whither you had gone.
post #8 of 75
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
You think it was more ratz?
The major suspect:

post #9 of 75
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
I think this unfortunate case highlights perfectly the devilish intricacies of what is a rather unique "insurgent problem" facing the Allies in Iraq. In one group you have the secular nationalists who want an end to the occupation and a return to “old Iraq”. In another group you have the bloodthirsty entrepreneurs who view hostage taking as a profitable means to a hefty ransom. The religious right is split into two groups: Fundamentalists who want to see the imposition of Islamic Law on what has been a “godless country” for far too long and Fundamentalist radicals who consider the fight against corrupt Western values to be a more important issue (it's likely this group wants to keep the Allies in Iraq). The only common denominator between them all is a willingness to brutalise, torture and murder hostages whose pitiful pleadings don’t achieve their aims.

I am no expert on the history of insurgency, but it doesn’t take a savant to understand that attempting to “take on”, or even negotiate with, such a diverse range of opinions, beliefs and (often incompatible) ideologies is like trying to weave baskets out sand.
Well put.
post #10 of 75
I'm still trying to figure out why the Fundamental Islam mindset is so hard to defeat.

Seems pretty easy to me. You make it very clear that for every beheading, sniper attack, etc... you will utterly and completely level a mosque, or other high holy sight.

You want to see the people fight among themselves? That should take care of the problem, post haste.

I'm talking a media blitz style info campaign. Very, very clear and loud language stating that it was the activities of X group that brought this on.

Someone beheads a non-combat hostage, some city losses a mosque. Perhaps that will then finally turn more of the stand by citizens against the very small number of "rebels" that have invaded their towns and are giving all Iraqis a bad name.

I'm not talking about a tank round or two to get their attention.

I'm talking about a smoking hole in the sand where the mosque used to be.
post #11 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
I'm not talking about a tank round or two to get their attention.

I'm talking about a smoking hole in the sand where the mosque used to be.
We're not doing that already?
post #12 of 75
The end result of that would be the destruction of every mosque in Iraq, along with the lost support of tens of millions of moderate Arab Muslims that would be utterly convinced that the United States has declared war on all of Islam.

Yeah, that's all we need now.
post #13 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
I'm still trying to figure out why the Fundamental Islam mindset is so hard to defeat.

Seems pretty easy to me. You make it very clear that for every beheading, sniper attack, etc... you will utterly and completely level a mosque, or other high holy sight.
The fact that you believe there is only one mindset and that it must be "defeated" goes a long way toward answering your own question.
post #14 of 75
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Originally Posted by BobClark
We're not doing that already?

No, Bob, we're not. We are going out of our way, to the point of further danger to our troops, to avoid destroying holy sites.

They are hiding in mosques taking pot shots at us at their leisure because they know we are trying to "play by the rules".

So, we are forced to send in troops, on foot, room by room, to search the holy sites, thus making them very slowly moving targets. Ungood. Very ungood.

Just once, for about a week, I would LOVE to see adopt and play by their rule book.
post #15 of 75
Yeah, I could really start getting behind this war if we started acting more like terrorists.

You fucking lunatic.
post #16 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
No, Bob, we're not. We are going out of our way, to the point of further danger to our troops, to avoid destroying holy sites.

They are hiding in mosques taking pot shots at us at their leisure because they know we are trying to "play by the rules".

So, we are forced to send in troops, on foot, room by room, to search the holy sites, thus making them very slowly moving targets. Ungood. Very ungood.

Just once, for about a week, I would LOVE to see adopt and play by their rule book.
Such a brilliant understanding of the Iraq war.
post #17 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
Seems pretty easy to me. You make it very clear that for every beheading, sniper attack, etc... you will utterly and completely level a mosque, or other high holy sight.
What rubbish.
And it's "site".
post #18 of 75
To be honest, I’ve come across a number of people at work who have put forward ideas similar to Dale’s. Not an uncommon stance at all.

The question one needs to ask oneself is this: if you are Osama Bin Laden, and your ultimate goal is to unite the Islamic world in hatred against America - what possible reason would there be to get upset about American bombers flattening mosques or other holy sites?

The truth is that OBL and friends are counting on unwitting American reactionaries to win their war. Dale and those whose share his opinions are the puppeteer’s good little soldiers.
post #19 of 75
It takes a special, simple kind of mind to look at a group of people who have enough (misguided) conviction to strap bombs to their chest and detonate them...and then to assume that these same people would be intimidated and cowed into submission by the threat of us knocking down a few buildings.
post #20 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
No, Bob, we're not. We are going out of our way, to the point of further danger to our troops, to avoid destroying holy sites.

They are hiding in mosques taking pot shots at us at their leisure because they know we are trying to "play by the rules".

So, we are forced to send in troops, on foot, room by room, to search the holy sites, thus making them very slowly moving targets. Ungood. Very ungood.

Just once, for about a week, I would LOVE to see adopt and play by their rule book.
Why even do that? Why not just pull our troops out, nuke the country from offshore subs, and start over? I bet they'd get the message then, huh? Well, their remnants would, at least...
post #21 of 75
But this is the whole dilemma that the US is faced with over there and forevermore. Fighting people in residential areas and/or sacred sites that are or try to blend in with civilians. How do you fight a group that ignores any kind of military code or conduct? If this was WW2 or Korea, complete destruction of the area wouldn't even be a question. I'm not saying that's right or making any kind of moral judgement but we're asking US troops to fight a war with one hand tied behind their back where every death is scrutinized and operations are continually "tried" in the court of public opinion. How do we fight that kind of war? I would certainly hate to serve under those conditions. And not to separate this into an us vs. them mentality but operating under those conditions will certainly mean a larger death toll to the US military. Outside of never entering into armed engagements, I fear that is a sign of things to come. So, whether you find the war just or unjust at this point is immaterial to the fact that they are over there. I'm far from a warmongerer but were it my friend or family member that was over there, I believe the popular opinion would be to tell that person to do "whatever" he/she needs to do to get back in one piece. It's an unfortunate circumstance of war.
post #22 of 75
Micah, Dale has read your post. He has asked me to tell you that after he has finished masturbating to its contents he will respond. Please give him a few minutes.

Seconds, I mean.
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by Slater
It takes a special, simple kind of mind to look at a group of people who have enough (misguided) conviction to strap bombs to their chest and detonate them...and then to assume that these same people would be intimidated and cowed into submission by the threat of us knocking down a few buildings.

It takes a simple kind of mind to not realize that the reason they strap bombs to themselves is because of religion. It is what is held more dear than anything in physical life, to include all entrapments of said religion.

This group of people do not hold themselves, their family, countrymen, children, ANYTHING above religion, and the entrapments there of.

They strike at what America holds dear: people. We utterly destroy what they hold dear: religion.
post #24 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
We utterly destroy what they hold dear: religion.
Yeah. Good luck with that.
post #25 of 75
Re: Ratz explanation.

There absolutely is no Jesus or God.
post #26 of 75
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
Why even do that? Why not just pull our troops out, nuke the country from offshore subs, and start over? I bet they'd get the message then, huh? Well, their remnants would, at least...

Damn that's a stupid idea.

Then we would not get the "repayment for their freedom" in the form of light sweet crude.
post #27 of 75
Sarcasm being completely missed on many occasions.
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
Micah, Dale has read your post. He has asked me to tell you that after he has finished masturbating to its contents he will respond. Please give him a few minutes.

Seconds, I mean.

Kevin, I'm perfectly capable of reading and responding of my own volition, thank you.
post #29 of 75
How was the nut busting?
post #30 of 75
You mean the Jesuz thing is lost on you.
post #31 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
We utterly destroy what they hold dear: religion.
Right.
So, destroying buildings = destroying religion.
As soon as the last Mosque is obliterated they will declare, "America has killed Allah! We surrender!"
post #32 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
It takes a simple kind of mind to not realize that the reason they strap bombs to themselves is because of religion. It is what is held more dear than anything in physical life, to include all entrapments of said religion.

This group of people do not hold themselves, their family, countrymen, children, ANYTHING above religion, and the entrapments there of.

They strike at what America holds dear: people. We utterly destroy what they hold dear: religion.
Yes, with Muslim-Americans on pace to to outnumber Judeo-Christians in America, and with Muslim populations rising in most of Europe, the "smart" road is to declare war on the world's most popular religion. You know, because it's dependent on mosques and material items to work.
post #33 of 75
I commend Agent Orange in this thread. Reasonable voice.
post #34 of 75
It's a real shame Dale was overlooked for Colin's old job.
post #35 of 75
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
Glad you posted that here........I know you asked it before, but I was ready to let that tired thread die.
The ratz I was referring to are the "ones" (not sure what word to use here) who are using Iraqi patriots or insurgents for their own evil gain. They are using them and it is just another sad part of this war. The ratz I was talkin about are the ones who sent the insurgents to the dangerous zones in Fallujah so they (Ratz)could escape. Apparantly right before the seige there was controversy (Hey, why are we getting shit detail).......and about 10 (insurgents, I think)were shot in the head (by the "ones") for argueing . The ones who did this (the executions )are the RATZ.
I don't know what else to call them.

There is definitely a difference between Iraqi patriots, insurgents, and Ratz.

Copper
That's hella parentheses! My brainz are swelling.
So basically, the RATZ are the "onez"?
post #36 of 75
Parroting what other people are saying, Dale, destroying moques does not destroy religion and in fact aids their cause even more. Terrorists need to paint themselves as martyrs to survive (taking lessons from the RNC perhaps?) and the US does that for them. Some Iraqi teen who watches his mosque leveled by US tanks is not going to fight the terrorists in order to stop the US, he's going to just fight the US.

What we really need to do is just kill them all. Start here in the US because once we start cooking muslims in big ovens in Iraq, they'll start to revolt here. Get those troublmakers out of the way immediately (hell, maybe even get them to do some work for us?) and then we can concentrate on the muslims all over the rest of the globe. God bless the USA.
post #37 of 75
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
How was the nut busting?

Not bad, thanks.

Now, wipe your mouth, it's not polite to have cum on your chin in public.
post #38 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
Not bad, thanks.

Now, wipe your mouth, it's not polite to have cum on your chin in public.
That comeback wouldn't silence a heckler at a Richard Jeni club gig.
post #39 of 75
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
That comeback wouldn't silence a heckler at a Richard Jeni club gig.

Didn't my great-grandfather own your great-grandfather?

Micah, is that a better comeback?
post #40 of 75
No. My great grandfather was white and not into S&M.
post #41 of 75
Did you just make a racist joke and then actually act arrogant about how great it was?

Wow.
post #42 of 75
I mostly just read in this forum, but that was the proverbial straw and the camel's back. Just amazing.
post #43 of 75
Why not? It seems the perfectly acceptable norm here of late to attack anyone for anything. I can play by the same rules.

See, it's EASY to type stuff on the net. Very easy. Even if it is vile, hateful things that you would never even begin to harbor as truth.

Since so many on the boards continue to totally ignore any truth that does not directly agree with them, sometimes you have to spoon feed them.

So, I can type anything I want to push "hot buttons". Micah's is racism. I know that. He knows that I know that and gives back as good as he gets, to use Micah's words.

Simply because I'm a conservative, I've already been called a racist nazi bat-fuck loony asshole more than I can count. Despite the total lack of truth to this, it seems that is the perception. So, you play a part.
post #44 of 75
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
C'mon, misfit...........like there aint been enough shit flung around here to choke a Rat.
Or many RATZ...
post #45 of 75
I didn't realize that your great-grandfathers had played against each other in Unreal Tournaments. It's a small world, after all.
post #46 of 75
Oh, shit. Now Dale is grandstanding.

My, bad. That's every post. But it's fun to see him try to spin the racist joke, I must admit.
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
No. My great grandfather was white and not into S&M.

By the way. That was actually funny as hell!

Very nice!
post #48 of 75
What a whiny pussy you've become, Grifter.
post #49 of 75
Think I'll go see what's happening in the Sex forum...
post #50 of 75
Ban his racist ass.
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