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Dean criticizces the media

post #1 of 11
11/17/04 at 7:24pm
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Article here

I think Dean makes some real good points here. I think it's sad how much celebrity culture is out there and even that even "hard news" has been so sensationalized. I agree that the media needs more regulation, there are just too many channels being controled by too few companies (see Viacom). Dean was never close to being my guy for president, but I can't disagree with him on most of his points here. Good speech.
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post #2 of 11
11/17/04 at 9:05pm
Now if only a channel or paper will actually report his message...
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post #3 of 11
11/17/04 at 9:09pm
I agree with a lot of what this is saying. It's becoming harder and harder to discerne truths through the journalistic style and bias (both liberal and conservative) that the news media has in this day and age. News pieces that are actually important and profound are glossed over and pushed out of the public eye in favor of trivial items like a $70,000 grilled cheese sandwich on Ebay. It's also becoming much easier for individual corporations (like Viacom and Sinclair) to broadcast their opinions; they have monopolies on too many television and radio networks.
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post #4 of 11
11/17/04 at 9:09pm
Link doesn't work for some reason.
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post #5 of 11
11/17/04 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by Maus
What the hell does that even mean?
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post #6 of 11
11/17/04 at 9:54pm
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The guy's a maniac!
It's still off-topic.

Anyway, I also agree with the points brought up in the article. There's too much liberal or conservative opinion in news today that we're drowning in. It needs objectivity in order for us to discern the truth and form an opinion ourself.

Sadly:

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"You do need to entertain a little bit," Thomas said. "You get people to read about serious issues by -- putting a [famous] person on the cover."
I find that true as well.
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post #7 of 11
11/17/04 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Maus
The guy's a maniac!

Which, by the way, is why I think he SHOULD have been the Democratic candidate for the presidency. He may have been a bit...impulsive, but he was interesting. The American electorate can forgive anything, but it simply cannot abide boredom.

And the debates would have been like...I don't know...Begbie vs. Jethro.
Thanks for voting for Jethro. Dickhead.
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post #8 of 11
11/18/04 at 4:51am
Dean needs to be in charge of the DNC. I've also heard good things about the guy in charge of the NDN, but I forget his name... Both are shades of centrism (oh well) but they have some fucking vision, it won't be so bad.

Dean's spot on with his critique of the media. CNN is a joke. (Does anyone remember when CNN was sorta like the cliff notes of the BBC?) MSNBC is saved by the fact that the people on there are a bit smarter than the usual punditocracy, but its still a joke. FNC is no more than the Republican party's Dept of Propoganda, poorly disguised as news.
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post #9 of 11
11/18/04 at 5:06am
I like how theroyle picks Viacom, arguably the most centrist, or least ideological of the giant media conglomerates, as his example.

Yes, CBS news and NPR skews liberal, but its bias is inherent to the freedom of information and journalistic drive that the profession encompasses. Conservative bias is far more insidious because its willful, strategically designed, and at times, intentionally misleading.
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post #10 of 11
11/18/04 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Key Chung
I like how theroyle picks Viacom, arguably the most centrist, or least ideological of the giant media conglomerates, as his example.

Yes, CBS news and NPR skews liberal, but its bias is inherent to the freedom of information and journalistic drive that the profession encompasses. Conservative bias is far more insidious because its willful, strategically designed, and at times, intentionally misleading.
Talk about totally missing my point. To illustrate - Viacom owns radio stations, TV stations, and movie studios. So if you are watching/listening to CBS , MTV, or K-Rock, you will probably be smothered by commercials for for Viacom owned films. If there is a soundtrack to said movie available on CD, the singles on the CD will probably be in heavy rotation on MTV and all applicable radio stations. It has nothing to do with politics, it's about consumer choice. Viacom controls way too much of the media and and consumers suffers.

On another note, where in the world did you get the idea I was talking about left/right bias. I thought Dean's arguement was strong, no matter his ideology. I thought this topic would be a good diversion from all of the other stuff going on here. Chill out.
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post #11 of 11
11/18/04 at 1:17pm
I thought the discussion was open-ended, using the article as a jumping off point.

The article talks of bias, and facts being damned, etc... these things shape political opinion, and I was commenting on that, amongst other things. I didn't miss your point, but was trying to steer the discussion to other parts of the article instead.

You might not want to discuss the political angle (or wasn't trying to,) but its definitely in the article, and I think its worthy of discussion. As is your point of lack of consumer choice in non-news entertainment.
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