Evil Dead Remake?

There is a thread on this over in Chud main. But with your opinion that it could be remade, you might get attacked! Good luck!

I think I've already seen this. Wasn't it called Evil Dead 2? By all means, continue the story of Ash vs. the deadites but the last thing that we need is another remake.

And an Evil Dead film not being helmed by Raimi? Bad idea.

And nobody but Bruce Campbell should even even be considered for the Ash role. He made those movies. (well, at least the second 2)

By the way, I think the films hold up perfectly. The special effects in AoD were going for a Jason and the Agronauts type feel and I think they achieved it perfectly.

Why don't we just remake Gone with the Wind.

Seriously though WTF? Just when we start to feel good that the potential crapfest that would have been FvJvA is over they announce that is about time for a remake/rehash of the original Evil Dead? What ever happend to ED4? Was Raimi just fucking with the fanboys who made him as popular as he is? We want another episode of Ash vs. the deadites! The real Ash-- Bruce Fucking Campbell the undisputed heavyweight king of B movies and not some wannabe A-lister!

They CAN'T use anyone else as Ash. Bruce Campbell was 90 percent of the charm of the Evil Dead series, who else could be on screen constantly, alone for thirty minutes at a time and still keep people entertained?

They also CAN't use anyone else but Raimi in the director's chair. It was his quirky eccentric visual style that also brought this series to life. I mean he came up with the "force" cam man! I sure the hell don't want to see any Paul Anderson style MTV edit directors doing this. Someone that is afraid to show gore-and lots of it- has no business doing this movie. This will probably be a remake in the style of DOTD '04 in that it will share the same name but feel nothing like the original. Things are so different in the movie industry these days. The studios don't let filmakers do anything by the seat of their pants anymore. A remake of this movie is a waste of time IMO. There is no way that it will be better than the originals.

Besides- do you really think that they'll be able to do that forest rape scene again? No fucking way the MPAA would let that fly today!

Ya know im really starting to fucing hate Rami. I mean first he kills the whole freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash idea. I thought it could be fun, alotta people didn't blah blah. But he says "I don't think it's what the fans would want" but then he won't make evil dead 4 which is what the fucking fans want. So then instead of doing evil dead 4 he puts his fucking times and energy into a film that he already made......twice! The only way this would work is if the did a remake/sequal. Like maybe the same story as the 1st but ash comes back to save he kids blah blah......who knows. All I know is spiderman 3 beter be fantastic cuz sams starting to piss me off.

Evil Dead without a Bruce Campbell lead is a horrible, horrible idea.

Everything about this is a horrible horrible idea. Raimi is raping my childhood! (Just had to throw that in there to annoy people.)

This is so wrong it hurts the vagina I don't even have.


Oh, and I think this is the equivalent to Kevin Smith backing out of GREEN HORNET to do a sequel to CLERKS. Fucking lame, Sam. Ghost House was the number one place I wanted to work as a genre filmmaker, but now I'll take my works to Raw Nerve instead.

Some rumors indicate that the guy who did OLD BOY would be directing this, others say Takashi Miike. Maybe that would be interesting, but it's still a bad fucking idea.


A Bad Fucking Idea

I don't know. Apparently they're considering Sean William Scott or Justin Theroux for the part. I say, let's give it to Cuba Gooding Jr. Or maybe Lindsay Lohan.

I just hope the whole thing's a hoax.

wow- you're a moron, chrononaut. the reason shaun of the dead got the "wide" *snicker* release that it did was because it was a good movie. the TCM/DOTD remakes had nothing to do with it- pegg & wright made a legitimately good movie, and even with funny speaking british people, it was seen as quite accessible by US audiences.

part of me wants to think of this as a joke- there's no way these guys could be this out-of-touch with their fanbase. i'm sorry- but it just won't work. the elements that made these movies classic cannot be duplicated, just in the same way that the remake of DOTD will never be seen as a classic. you don't make them, or in this case, remake them; they happen by happy accident.

ok, first off, sorry about the "moron" thing- but this really does make me fucking mad.

hollywood has it too easy- whenever they can't come up with any "original" ideas, they remake old cult classics. why? either because they didn't make any money off of them, or because they're not making any more money off of them. i held my tongue while they shat all over everyone else's favorites, but now they're squatting over mine, and i'll be damned if i dont let it go without a fight. raimi should fucking know better than this. there's no excuse. now that anchor bay isn't cranking out ED or AOD DVDs every twenty minutes, raimi wants more money.

why did he nix freddy vs. jason vs. ash? because he'd have to share money with craven and cunningham. then its not just his baby. the spidey franchise has killed one of cult cinemas heros, and replaced him with a glossy, dollar-signs-in-the-eyes shell of his former self.

why an ED remake? well, bruce, god love him, he's getting a little long in the tooth. (and wide in the belly ) he couldn't possibly do ash justice. will he be in the movie? sure, just like how ted, sam, and ivan all will be- just not playing their rightful roles. this isn't fucking bewitched for chrissakes. if you can't have bruce play ash, and you're only doing it for the money, pimping the franchise out to someone else is a logical option. slap a producer credit next to your name, and its easy money! just imagine the publicity for an evil dead movie starring stifler from american pie!

guest-hosting spots on TRL!
a trendy, emo-pop soundtrack!
avril lavigne as bobbi jo!
eminem as ed!
fifty cent as henrietta!
a happy ending!

there was never an evil dead 4. there never will be. raimi and tapert were simply trying to shut us up for a bit while they figured out how to make easy money without doing a thing. the only person i really feel sorry for is the bruce.

oh, and i still stand by my comments about at least the TCM remake. that movie has done no favors for anyone (especially most of the people who saw it). i concede my point regarding DOTD (remake) though; the DOTD remake did in some part help romero get funding for LOTD.

So, does brutal and bloody equal a good movie?

Saw had both, and it was still shit. Here's a reason why the TCM remake was crap - the never-ending Leatherface chase sequence that was as scary and tense as watching toddlers play hide and seek. How long was that scene? 20 minutes? Half an hour? Jesus.

Oh, and I'm no particular fan of the original.

As for someone not being able to watch a film because of the effects, sorry, but what a dick.

People who can't cope without bloated CGI garbage should stick to being spoonfed Steven Somers creatively bankrupt drivel. If you can't watch a film with the perpective of the timeframe the movie was made then I don't know what to say.

Raimi has nothing left to say. Awful superhero movies, Japanese horror remake, Evil Dead remake. Sad.

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the spidey flicks are "awful superhero movies" is a dick, and really shouldn't be attacking anyone's opinion.

just because they're a dick doesn't mean they're wrong.

Sorry, but I hate superhero movies. I find them to be intellectually and creatively bankrupt nonsense that pander to the lowest common denominator 'eye candy will do' ethic that is destroying hollywood.

Spidey 2 was unbelieveably overrated - bloated, self-indulgent, mawkish & sentimental, full of absurd plotholes and way too long. I'm tired of this crap and the fanboys that eat it up, and I'm tired of people like Raimi who make a shitload of cash out of other people's properties, then crap all over the fans that made his comic-book masturbation fantasies possible in the first place.

Raimi has shot his wad over horror fans, and unless you had forgotten, this is a horror forum, not a fucking marvel comics fanboy playpen.

Maybe you should watch SPIDER-MAN 2 again.

Or Darkman, which is the best comic book movie ever (despite not being based on an actual comic book).

So, who could pull off the role of Ash?

http://chud.com/news/541

Bruce Campbell

Sorry to be petulant. I'll just say the remake is a bad idea and get out of your hair.

Why not just remake Nightmare on Elm Street with Skeet Ulrich as Freddy?

I'm sort of going back and forth on whether it's a bad idea or not.

Raimi seems to be doing this for the money, and I don't like that. There isn't really a good reason to remake it beyond greed.

However, whatever his motivations for doing this may be, it's not going to hurt the original. Even if Evil Dead: The Remake turns out to be a big pile of crap that flips the bird at it's predecesor we can still enjoy the first one. For instance, I hated the TCM remake, but it doesn't matter because I can still pop the original into my DVD player and enjoy it the way it's supposed to be.

So, as iffy as this may be I am trying to think positive. I would like to see a different spin on it, what is changed, what is kept, how the acting compares, etc. The special effects will be the most interesting thing to observe since I imagine they will be greatly improved.

They made all three ED movies for the money first and foremost.

I don't know a lot about Raimis financial situation, but if his career is any indicator he is quite well off now. There is nothing dishonourable about trying to make money off of your art when you need to eat, it's when you want money for the sake of money that it makes you look like a jackass.

I don't think the money figured as much as the art. Raimi's admitted he wanted to do another ED pic after CRIMEWAVE failed, because it was something he felt comfortable with, and yes, it was a bit more sure money-wise. It wasn't easy to get AOD made either, especially with Universal, but they went back to it because they enjoy it.

But then, I also think it's too easy to be uber-cynical.

They want a big money maker to finance his new production studio. Just like they did the first Evil Dead to finance their budding filmmaking careers.

I'm not saying they don't like these movies or that they haven't invested a lot of themselves into them. Just that they don't revere them as much as the fans. They know full well what a cash cow this series is (just look at the dozens of alternate DVD's) and have never been shy about exploiting it.

Surely the DVD situation is much more Anchor Bay than Renaissance? After all, it's not only EVIL DEAD discs that they've repackaged over and over again. It's weird, you don't see people ripping Carpenter because they've released five different versions of HALLOWEEN.

Wasn't The Grudge that big money maker? He has a much firmer place in the industry than he did when he first started making the Evil Dead films.

I'm not ripping them at all.
In fact, I think it makes perfect sense to finance this next big venture of theirs with an ED remake. It's only fitting since Evil Dead is what put them on the map in the first place.

Even Soderburg and Clooney need to make Oceans 12 in order to finance projects like Solaris. Nobody's gonna invest too much personal assests into a production company.

It's a bad idea. The plot of the original was insubstantial-- a rehash of so many other B horror movies at the time. What put any meat on the movie's bones was the visceral directorial style of Raimi and the super charisma of Bruce Campbell.
Campbell was the crux of the Evil Dead series. No way anyone else would do better in this role.

Fuck you, Charlie Brigden and your cursed logic - that shit obviously has no place here.

The DVD deal is Anchor Bay all the way. Evil Dead 2 was Raimi's fiscal and emotional cushion after the crushing defeat of Crimewave, and the fledgling Renaissance crew made their first film a horror flick because they saw the grindhouse shlock that hit drive-ins and figured that was the safest route.

Even if the movie sucked, the gore would nab it a few drive-in dates - they could maybe make the (INVESTOR, thank you very much - NOT STUDIO) money back.

Nowadays, Raimi doesn't need a sure-fire ANYTHING to get either Senator or Ghost House off the ground. The company's first release just broke $100,000,000. On a...what was it - $16,000,000 investment? The guy was bankable before. Now, his COMPANY is bankable. The next film will be able to come out with "From the studio that brought you The Grudge..." attached to it.

Whoever that kid up there was said the Spidey flicks are garbage needs to go play in a dumpster and get a feel for what that really is. Raimi has made multiple films that have appealed to cineastes, critics, the mainstream, and people who couldn't give a flying rat fuck about comic books OR film. He is, like one-time monster maestro Peter Jackson, now one of the most powerful people in Hollywood. Sony has already told him they'd assist in the building of the Ghost House.

And don't feel sorry for Bruce Campbell. The man made more money doing a single season of Brisco County Jr. than many of us will see in a lifetime. The producing credit and the royalties on the Evil Dead films helped Ash buy a working ranch in Oregon. His second book is on the way - he's not sweating it. He maybe - MAYBE - sweats that he never got A-List...he may sweat that he's at an age where he never will. But as far as a self-described "working actor" goes - he's done better than many. And he'll segue into a character actor glory - or pehaps direct, as he's proven capable of doing on television...

I don't know why I try. For all the explaining I do - the stuff based on common sense and the application of logic - no matter how many times I answer the "Why doesn't McFarlane Toys make Marvel Comics Figures" - there are still people that just don't get why things are done the way they are done.

Rumor has it that Ryu Kitamura is the man to direct the ED redux. This is in line with bringing Shimazu over to do The Grudge again. Raimi has been a massive fan of Asian movies for a long time - when Raimi was dropped into the role of producer on Hard Target, he was told that it was done so that when Aniversal fired Woo, Raimi could finish the film. Sam did his very best to keep suits off of Woo's back, and it would seem that this is something he'd like to continue. Good on him, in the end, to use a tested franchise and his own clout to make an opening for someone (stateside or otherwise, friend or admirer) who's looking to make a splash of their own.

Lord all FUCK, but the sour grapes in this thread make Francis Coppola cry...

I love Evil Dead. Love it more than any of you. ANY OF YOU. But the shitty opiticals and mascara effects of the first film really cut down on its effectiveness. Sean William Scott? Nicholas Brendon? Tobey Ma-fucking-Guire? It DOESN'T MATTER. Let the man do what he wants. Cast who he wants. He's entitled. Sam Raimi has earned something so many of you ill-informed (and illiterate - it's not "FUCING") people here will NEVER earn.

Trust. And the benefit of the doubt.

But hey, "Raimi Raped My Childhood" sounds even better than "Lucas".

It's the "r's". They roll off the tongue.

And have you seen Skeet Ulrich lately? I've spent time with Robert Englund, and he's far less frightening than Skeeter is right about now. Robert seems kindly. Skeet looks like he'd knife you in the belly for a jelly. Advantage - Ulrich.

I wanted to make a list of people in this thread who made my head hurt.

Chrononaut, Joey, Charile, and Dave.




Turns out it was easier to make a list of the ones who didn't. So that's the list up there. The rest of you - hit the books.

Wow - special thanks to Clark and Wolf Girl for "added stuff that makes sense".

I love reading the first lines of your posts, Jason

As usual you display so much knowledge that I swear Bill Warren is your pen-name. I just wish I could find that great article you wrote on the CC about Raimi. Shame those archives seem to have gone fishing, for now.

Sorry HAM, we were all way out of line. You know, voicing our own opinions and all.

Nice...good to see you gettin' yo' getback an' all.

But that was a compliment up there - as in "what you added made sense"...

And I have no problem with opinions. I come here to see them vented. I just like to see them be informed.

entitlement, HAM? i'm entitled to cut my dick off and throw it in a blender, but does that make it a good choice?

what if george lucas decided that all copies of the original trilogy (pre-"special" [read: retarded] edition) were to be destroyed, produced again? sure, he's entitled to do so. would you be OK with the idea of a new generation being fed a dumbed-down version of a series of films that deeply impacted you? would you feel the slightest bit upset that lucas is now completely disregarding his audience, simply for a glossy, re-worked version of the very films that made him into the person he is today? or would you simply think, "eh, its his decision", and never think about it again?

it cannot be written in a simpler fashion- this truly proves that raimi has no respect for his own product, nor for the fanbase that has made it possible for him to direct your beloved "spiderman" films. no fan ever asked them, about remaking evil dead. they already did that. they wanted a new evil dead. what, you think "for the love of the game" nabbed him the job? all this time, he's been doing nothing more than stringing us along- leading us think "shit, if this movie does well, maybe we'll see another "evil dead"! no fan ever asked raimi and co. about remaking evil dead- it's already been done. they wanted a new evil dead. all good old sammy-boy cares about is the money in his bank account. peter jackson's not going to remake "bad taste" or "dead alive", or even "meet the feebles". why? because he knows that you cannot retell your own story twice and have it make the same impact. he's smarter than that.

as for the original evil dead movies being made simply for the money, i'd like to see concrete proof of that.

The box-office success of remakes of horror classics is the reason for more remakes of horror classics. And I ain't (a) seein' the originality in that.

Well, I wonder if that font size will get my point across. Anyhow, sorry for "shouting" so loud. I hope hat's the last time I'll be bad like that.

Based on your posts in this thread I'd say that not only is it a good choice - it's a good START.

Since they exist only as escapist entertainment - fine by me. If Steven Spielberg wants G-Men to brandish walkie-talkies in what is his weakest film - fine by me.

If Steve wants the Nazis to brandish walkie-talkies in Schindler's List - that's irresponsible.

This is not a historical epic - this is the EVIL DEAD. And while I adore it, everyone who worked on it cringes at its faults.

Sure would. Sure have.

He's made changes. Some work. Some don't. Not a single one of them alters the plot or changes the intent. It's escapist entertainment. And those of us who move amongst the mainstream (read - the people who aren't obsessing over lame character names that are never spoken during the running time) see very quickly that the changes to the originals - or the prequels themselves, for that matter - aren't anything truly offensive to anyone who isn't obsessive. People like Star Wars just fine. They say it's "fun" or "cool". They give fuck all about the "EU"...don't know who the fuck Timothy Zahn is, and are pretty sure that "Xixor" is the new Hyundai. Escapist fiction. Populist entertainment. It's not fannerds that take a movie to $300,000,000 grosses. Were that the case, fannerds would see Star Trek movies over and over until THEY made that kinda' cake - and Marina Sirtis would still have a gig.

It's ordinary folk. Families. People looking for a fun way to spend a couple of hours. And they like 'em just fine.

The Evil Dead movies? Well, those have never been mainstream. Raimi needed the fans to come out for Army of Darkness - which was made as Sam's bid for Steven Spielberg territory - an attempt to launch him into the "big time" (and to take Bruce Campbell into the A-List. Or at least B+...).

And where were the fans?

Where were the fans when Aniversal trailered the shit outta' AoD? Where were the fans when that flick became one of the lowest grossing films of 1993 (Rip Tapert once said, "Well...we outgrossed Chaplin...")?

I'll tell you where I was. In a theater on February 19th at 7:10 PM...and again on February 20th...twice on the 22nd...23rd...24th...26th...

The other six times get hazy - but that's only because the ticket stubs don't have dates on them. You're a fan - how many times did you go?

How much do the fans mean when you've done test screenings that indicate that the film is one of the best on the studio's slate that year...

...only to fail miserably to connect with an audience?

Two million, three hundred thousand. That's around how many people saw Army in a theater. The real number was probably far fewer, considering the fact that many people were like my friends and me - heading to the theater after school and seeing it thirteen times - "Support your local Sam Raimi" was how I put it back in the day...

Studios don't make movies hoping two million people will show up.

To the studio's credit - oddly enough - they realized that Sam was a gifted filmmaker, and that the audience just didn't materialize...

It's like when Joe Roth was sitting in on a screening of Hellboy with Guillermo Del Toro, and he turned to him and said it didn't matter what the grosses said - Del Toro made a great movie.

Where were the Evil Dead fans?

Sure - there are more of them now thanks to Faux Punk/Pop Culture graveyard jernts like your Hot Topic - but it still doesn't mean much. The kids today don't like a horror flick more than five years old...don't like to watch anyone over the age of 28 or so, and couldn't give a flying rat fuck about what came before...

That is...of course - UNLESS IT GETS REMADE - then they rush in to rent George Romero's entire fucking oeuvre! AND every Texas Chansaw Massacre! Even the one with Renee Zellweger in it!

Again - when? Was this a Fox pilot that didn't sell or some shit? I mean, I know that's what happened with Darkman - I've seen that pilot. But did they make an Evil Dead show?

Yes, actually - it did. That...and A Simple Plan...and The Gift - those films proved to studios that he could handle budgets and A-List talent (and B-maybe-C cup boobies, if you count Katie Holmes) and large scale, big time movies. All Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness did was make Universal ask him if he could come up with a screwball take on Greek Mythology...

And ManOmanOwaR - did people scream "sell-out" then! Working with Hal Needham on the Action Pack. Fun-nee!

The Evil Dead movies certainly didn't help Sam when he begged Universal to let him direct a comic book movie. They gave The Shadow to Russell Mulcahy instead. Now, I love Russell as much as the next guy, but can we truly say that he's a better filmmaker than Sam Raimi? I mean, he's maybe less subtle...

Roll around in that for awhile...

I don't think he's strung anyone along. He's said he'd like to get the Spider films out of the way and concentrate on more modestly-budgeted fare. He's never said he desperately wants to take a step backward as a filmmaker, nor has he ever said he's anxious to play in a cabin again to make a tiny fanbase happy. This is not a man who wants to be Tobe' Hooper. This is a man who has always wanted to be the second coming of Preston Sturges. And Sturges wasn't so into gore...

You're RIGHT!

Only REALLY STUPID FILMMAKERS try something like THAT!

But was he smart enough to not serve as the location producer on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys?

No, it has nothing to do with smarts - and everything to do with the fact that, like Sam Raimi, he's moved away from horror. What he learned making movies in the genre will always inform his work (Tobey Maguire mentions on the Spider-Man 2 DVD commentary that the Hospital Scene is "vintage Sam Raimi". Raimi replies that he "learned a lot making those horror pictures"), but it's not his game anymore.

At the same time, he never forgot that it's a GREAT LEARNING GROUND, and a great entry level - so I'd wager Ghost House is going to introduce a few new kids to the world. And if Raimi thinks that can be done by letting a new kid play with the old toy...whatever. I'd love to play with the old toy.

You've seen concrete proof of that. I just TOLD YOU.

Bill Warren can tell you.
Bruce Campbell can tell you.
Jonathan Ross can tell you.
Sam Raimi can tell you.

They were low-risk investments. They knew a horror flick didn't have to be perfect to make money back.

You don't need to hit the books, ninny. Sometimes the books hit you.

I ain't (a) seein' a reason for that ridiculous fucking font size.

What could have been

HARRYHAUSEN: So, I'm thinking I'd like to do a story about Perseus.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: Okay.

HARRYHAUSEN: I just wanted to get your opinion on the matter. You did work with the material before I did.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: Well, I appreciate that. But I think the sotry ought to be left alone.

HARRYHAUSEN: Oh.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: It's not anything personal, Ray, don't look so sad.

HARRYHAUSEN: I thought you liked the picture about the Argonauts.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: Oh, I did. All of us did. You got a glowing recommendation from the Arabs for how Sinbad turned out. You're not going to be really running the show on this Perseus gig.

HARRYHAUSEN: I didn't run the show on any of the other pictures I did of you guys. We collaborate on film, I just have most of the responsibility for the more fantastic stuff that goes on. I figured you guy's would trust my judgement.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: I'm sorry Ray, I just have too much respect for my audience to turnaround and remake the story.

HARRYHAUSEN: But, I was going to... Nevermind.

ANCIENT GREEK WRITER GUY: What?

HARRYHAUSEN: I wanted to do the Kraken.

There's no need for you getting your panties in a wad.

Self-Righteous adj. excessively conscious of or insistent on one's rectitude, correctness etc.

OED

My apologies, my sarcasm meter was misfiring.