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Berkeley researchers: Something went awry with electronic voting in Florida

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University researchers challenge Bush win in Florida
'Something went awry with electronic voting in Florida,' says the lead researcher

News Story by Dan Verton

NOVEMBER 18, 2004 (COMPUTERWORLD) - Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, said today that they have uncovered statistical irregularities associated with electronic voting machines in three Florida counties that may have given President George W. Bush 130,000 or more excess votes. The researchers are now calling on state and federal authorities to look into the problems.
The study, "The Effect of Electronic Voting Machines on Change in Support for Bush in the 2004 Florida Elections," was conducted by doctoral students and faculty from the university's sociology department and led by sociology professor Michael Hout.

Hout is an expert on statistical methods at the Berkeley Survey Research Center and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.

According to the study, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increases in support for Bush between 2000 and 2004 compared to counties with paper ballots or optical scan equipment. This change cannot be explained by differences between counties in income, number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of the Hispanic/Latino population, said Hout.

In Broward County, for example, Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes, Hout said, adding that the research team is 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance. The other two counties that experienced unexplained statistical discrepancies in the vote are Miami-Dade and Palm Beach. The three counties revealed the most significant irregularities and were the most heavily Democratic counties in the state. Smaller counties that showed strong support for Bush didn't produce any statistical anomalies, Hout said.

"For the sake of all future elections involving e-voting systems, someone must investigate and explain the statistical anomaly we found in Florida," Hout said at a news conference today.

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A question to Chudservatives:

If the story ever broke, with complete and irrefutible evidence, that Bush and his campaign organizers actively took part in rigging the voting process, would you support his impeachment out of moral principle?
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I would but I don't think that could happen.
Everybody learned from Nixon so it would go up as high as mid level campaign guys at most (probably state level campaign organizers), with no ties to the Bush, himself.
We still have a generation or two before lessons learned begin to be forgotten.

There will always be a decent portion (5-10% of party 2-4% of total population) of both sides that think the other is cheating and I guess the hope is that it is small enough to not change the results.
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Wait, wait, wait................

Berkeley? Having an issue with the voting in a very RED state?

Hold on. I'm going to put on my "super shocked and incredulous face"..............

wait.................









Ok. Got it.
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yt; Without looking at the data and methodology from this professor, this doesn't mean much, btw just by looking at his credentials (sociology professor) I can't assume this is a mathematically sound study.

One interesting thing is that the previous accusations of voter fraud you posted about FL the last time, were with irregularities with the scantron machines and they were saying the results in the touch screen counties looked ok. Seems like these guys are the exact oppossite of that, that's very interesting ...
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Originally Posted by Stormin
If the story ever broke, with complete and irrefutible evidence, that Bush and his campaign organizers actively took part in rigging the voting process, would you support his impeachment out of moral principle?
Without question.
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Originally Posted by Stormin
A question to Chudservatives:

If the story ever broke, with complete and irrefutible evidence, that Bush and his campaign organizers actively took part in rigging the voting process, would you support his impeachment out of moral principle?

I'd be the first in line with a pitchfork and a torch.
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Originally Posted by Stormin
A question to Chudservatives:

If the story ever broke, with complete and irrefutible evidence, that Bush and his campaign organizers actively took part in rigging the voting process, would you support his impeachment out of moral principle?
Counter:
Would you have the same reaction if it was Kerry and his people proven to have been utilizing these actions, and just not pulling it off well enough for whatever reason?
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Of course. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. Everyone should back an investigation.
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Obviously. I don't think anyone here has any great love for the Democratic party.
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Originally Posted by CapitanAmerica
yt; Without looking at the data and methodology from this professor, this doesn't mean much, btw just by looking at his credentials (sociology professor) I can't assume this is a mathematically sound study.

One interesting thing is that the previous accusations of voter fraud you posted about FL the last time, were with irregularities with the scantron machines and they were saying the results in the touch screen counties looked ok. Seems like these guys are the exact oppossite of that, that's very interesting ...
Capitan, the whole study is here (pdf file).
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Originally Posted by yt
Capitan, the whole study is here (pdf file).
Thanks!
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Huh ... that document you linked to is dated September 2001 !!!
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Sorry, I linked to the wrong one. It's here

(Edited because I once again linked to the wrong doc)
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