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Poll: Majority gives Bush good job approval mark

post #1 of 69
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(CNN) -- Fifty-five percent of Americans like the way President Bush is handling his job, while the approval rating for his Iraq policies is slightly lower, according to the first full CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll following the November 2 presidential election.

Forty-two percent of those polled don't believe Bush is doing a good job. Sixty percent have a positive opinion of Bush, versus 39 percent with the opposite view.

Many of the poll questions targeted foreign affairs, especially the U.S. performance in Iraq. The responses showed that Bush's positive approval rating does not necessarily translate into a perception of military success, said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Iraqi general elections are set for January 30 to choose a national assembly, a Kurdish assembly and 18 provincial governing councils.

Respondents were divided, with 51 percent saying the Iraqi elections will take place and 42 percent disagreeing.

Forty-nine percent of those surveyed doubt the United States will able to keep Iraq on track toward democratic government, and 46 percent are confident it will be done.

Responding to whether the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, 47 percent said yes, and 51 percent said no.

Asked who was winning the war in Iraq -- the United States and its allies or insurgents -- 46 percent of respondents said neither side, and 44 percent said the United States and its supporters.

The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

U.S. and Iraqi military forces almost completely control Falluja, considered a hotbed of insurgent activity, but violence has spiked elsewhere. Sixty-one percent of those polled said they feel offensives in Falluja and elsewhere will make Iraq better.

But nearly three-quarters of those polled said they are worried about Iraq, with 35 percent very worried and 39 percent fairly worried.

On other foreign affairs questions:

• 52 percent don't feel Iraqis will accept the election results.

• A majority believe Iran (58 percent) and North Korea (60 percent) represent long-term, but not immediate, threats to the United States. Bush has identified both as part of an "Axis of Evil," citing nuclear threats.

• Nearly two-thirds of respondents feel Israel and the Arab nations will never resolve their differences; 37 percent say they will.

On controversial social questions, 63 percent believe openly gay men and lesbian women should be allowed to serve in the military; 32 percent don't. Forty-three percent oppose both same-sex marriages and civil unions.

Regarding officials in Bush's administration, Secretary of State Colin Powell was most popular among poll respondents, with 87 percent saying they have a favorable impression of him. National security adviser Condoleezza Rice is viewed as favorable by 63 percent; Vice President Dick Cheney by 53 percent; Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 51 percent; and Attorney General John Ashcroft, 50 percent.

There was strong agreement, 72 percent, that the country is more deeply divided on issues than it has been in the past several years. Respondents also said they believe Americans are divided when it comes to values -- 65 percent say greatly divided, and 34 percent say united.

The survey results were based on telephone interviews with 1,015 adults Friday through Sunday.
post #2 of 69
With such a minute sample size, how can this survey be viewed as anything but pointless?
post #3 of 69
Most Bush supporters don't even know fact from fiction. The performance they approve of may or may not bear a resemblance to reality.

Besides, I've already explained to you the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. Did you not understand it or something? I'll happily show you again that just because a lot of people like a thing doesn't mean a thing is right.
post #4 of 69
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Survey: Vast majority of Americans believe in angels

Americans overwhelmingly believe in the angels that heralded the birth of Jesus 2000 years ago and think they still walk the Earth in these modern days.

One out of every five Americans believes he or she has seen an angel or knows someone who has, according to survey of 1,127 adult residents of the United States conducted by Scripps Howard News Service and Ohio University.

Seventy-seven percent of adults in the poll answered "yes" to the question: "Do you believe angels, that is, some kind of heavenly beings who visit Earth, in fact exist?" Another 73 percent believe angels still "come into the world even in these modern days."
http://www.startribune.com/stories/459/909572.html
post #5 of 69
I'm not sure I understand the value of this survey. A wartime incumbent who was just re-elected has an over 50 percent approval rating less than a month after the election? Wow. What an accomplishment.
post #6 of 69
never trust percentages spewed by any tv news station.

78 percent of the nation believes Laura now has George on a Pedigree Choice Cuts diet after the pretzel incident.

38 percent of George approves of the new eats.
post #7 of 69
Since I’m not all that familiar with the major US News networks, would anyone care to have a dash at ranking them in terms of “professionalism” i.e. impartiality, accuracy of reporting, some general estimation of “integrity” etc?

I’ll take it for granted that FOX is languishing somewhere near the bottom of the Pacific Abyssal Plane, but I’d like to hear opinions on the others. A rundown on the major US newspapers would be nice too (if anyone is feeling energetic).
post #8 of 69
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Originally Posted by gravedigger
With such a minute sample size, how can this survey be viewed as anything but pointless?
1000 is actually a solid sample size, though 2000 would have been better (naturally).
post #9 of 69
And let us not forget that Gallup consistently oversampled Republicans throughout the campaign. Assuming such is the case here as well, Bush is doing even more poorly than one would expect.

A poll of 1000 diehard Republicans would give results that don't reflect the true opinions of the populace; assuming the sample is a fair one, the true opinions of the populace don't necessarily reflect reality, as that enlightening PIPA survey showed; even if everyone's views were well informed, all it means is that a bare majority think Bush is doing a good job. That doesn't mean Bush is actually doing a good job.

Bush is, as we all know, not doing a good job.
post #10 of 69
Wow! 55%! What a mandate of support! Bush is, like, the best president EVAR!

Didn't a majority of Bush supporters believe Saddam was behind 9/11, and that we found stockpiles of wmds in Iraq? Subtract those idiots from the poll, and what's left?
post #11 of 69
Grifter.
post #12 of 69
And yes, the majority do hold beliefs that are not true.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pr...rt10_21_04.pdf
post #13 of 69
Thread Starter 
Interesting.

I post a CNN News article, for discussion, with not a word of commentary on my part, and immediatly the personal attacks.

Well, at least it just proves that I'm the shitbag here.

Oh, wait...........
post #14 of 69
This from the guy who curses another Chewer in his sig.
post #15 of 69
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
Interesting.

I post a CNN News article, for discussion, with not a word of commentary on my part, and immediatly the personal attacks.

Well, at least it just proves that I'm the shitbag here.

Oh, wait...........
There's been plenty of discussion about the piece and the methods used to create it. Why not discuss that instead of making this about personal crap? Otherwise, you're just contributing to the problem.
post #16 of 69
Thread Starter 
[sarcasm]Well, you know, with all the talk around here lately of the "moral high ground" and all, I guess I was just suprised by the immediate reaction of some of "left leaders". That's all.[/sarcasm]
post #17 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
Oh, Goddamn....ain't you tired of totin' that propaganda around?
Propaganda? It was widely reported on Fox News and elsewhere.

Don't blame me if you don't like the company you keep.
post #18 of 69
My point is that you can't dismiss it as "propaganda" when the fact remains that the majority of Bush supporters actually believed the statements above, and that it relates directly to the poll showing Bush's approval rating.

Clear enough?
post #19 of 69
This is hardly surprising. People just voted for the guy. They want to feel good about their choice. If the electorate were to vote for a pineapple, that pineapple would have high approval ratings.
post #20 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
I am not willing to believe
Well, who needs facts then, right?
post #21 of 69
There have been no personal attacks against Grifter in this thread. Pointing out that an argument has no merit and why is not a personal attack. And when you subtract all those idiots who don't know what's going on from the poll, as Jacob said, what are you left with? People who do know what's going on and support Bush anyway. Grifter's one of them. This is not a personal attack either.
post #22 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
I would never dismiss it as propaganda....I am on a political site, right?

I am not willing to believe that Bush supporters believe that, but if it serves your purpose........

Makes it easy to say we are stupid.
So you're dismissing the results of a survey not because you have reason to think the results are false, but because you don't like them.

That's not very clear thinking.
post #23 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
Like hell.
No. Pointing out the fallacy of an argument is not a personal attack. It's an attack on the argument. "Grifter is a poopyhead" is a personal attack.
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post #26 of 69
Or this

And no. The point is not "you are stupid". The point here is "a lot of the people who think Bush is doing a good job don't really know what job Bush is actually doing."
post #27 of 69
(Scratches head) It's still up for debate whether Saddam had WMDs? Ok. It was nice wasting a few posts on ya.
post #28 of 69
What are you talking about?
post #29 of 69
I think that he was talking about the last line of Copperlocke's post.
post #30 of 69
Actually, it is in agreement. Everyone know Saddam didn't have them leading up to the war.
post #31 of 69
My link is the results of the survey Micah's link refers to.

Although it's clear the Bush Administration's intelligence that led them to proclaim there was "no doubt" Iraq possessed WMD's was garbage, that's not the point. The point is this: the majority of Bush supporters were sorely mistaken as to the U.S.'s own findings regarding Iraq's possession of weapons or weapons programs, as well as Iraq's involvement in the World Trade Center Attack, Bush's attitude towards the Kyoto Accord, and many other things. Here's a snippet from the survey's results.

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Though this poll was taken immediately after chief weapons inspector Charles Duelfer delivered his
report to Congress on whether Iraq had WMD, a majority of Bush supporters misperceived the
conclusions of his report. Fifty-seven percent believed that that he concluded that Iraq did have either
WMD (19%) or a major program for developing them (38%).


PIPA/KN 10/2004

"As you may know, Charles Duelfer, the chief weapons inspector selected by the Bush administration to investigate whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, has just presented his final report to Congress. Is it your impression he concluded that, just before the war, Iraq had:"

WMD 19% Major program 38% (Bush supporters)

WMD 7% Major program 16% (Kerry supporters)

This misperception is down only very slightly from when Bush supporters were asked in August what the
Senate Intelligence Committee had concluded about prewar Iraq. At that time, 58% of Bush supporters
said the committee had concluded that Iraq had at least a major WMD program. However, when asked
now about the Duelfer report, the percentage of Bush supporters saying its conclusion was that Iraq had
actual WMD was only 19%—down sharply from the 36% who said this about the Senate Intelligence
Committee. More Bush supporters have shifted to the perception that the report says Iraq had a major
WMD program (up from 22% to 38%). In fact, 18% of Bush supporters still believe Iraq had WMD or a
major WMD program despite knowing the Duelfer report concluded otherwise.
Other examples: Bush opposes participation in landmine treaties, but 72% of his supporters thinks he supports it. Bush opposes participation in the ICC, but 54% of his supporters think he supports it. It's a certainty that many of the people who think Bush is doing a good job don't really know what kind of job he's doing.
post #32 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
Actually.....weapons inspectors have their own place in the world.
They are still debating............news flash.
What did these weapons inspectors find?
post #33 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
Actually.....weapons inspectors have their own place in the world.
They are still debating............news flash.
Citation, please.
post #34 of 69
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Originally Posted by Anderson
I think that he was talking about the last line of Copperlocke's post.
Well, yeah. It was meant for Copperlocke.

What Micah's talking about is pretty clear.
post #35 of 69
Most polls can't be trusted period. Much like the news these days it seems.
post #36 of 69
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Most polls can't be trusted period. Much like the news these days it seems.
And the reason you don't think this poll is accurate to within its stated MOE is...what?
post #37 of 69
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Originally Posted by Copperlocke3
I have posted links and such before, and it was ignored.
I'm not your secretary that runs for coffee.
Put up or shut up.
post #38 of 69
Psst: Seabass...everyone else.

You're wasting your time as well.
post #39 of 69
man I hope she chooses the latter.
post #40 of 69
I was talking to Daywalker, but what the hell:

Why shouldn't I? What am I supposed to do? Say for no reason that the pollsters are out and out lying about their methodology and results? What should lead me to think they're lying?
post #41 of 69
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
Psst: Seabass...everyone else.

You're wasting your time as well.
Alas, It's my nature to answer questions. But I think you're right.
post #42 of 69
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
And the reason you don't think this poll is accurate to within its stated MOE is...what?
Probably because I don't trust the wide or narrow field they choose from. I doubt Bush's approval rating is that high right now. Of course that is only my opinion.
post #43 of 69
Copper, have to say it's looking pretty good that there were no WMDs in Iraq. Even your boys jumped to a new excuse about why they are over there now. Though, I'm sure they appreciate that you're still clinging to the dream.
post #44 of 69
Yeah. I go to Devin's site. Um, I check out the IMDB message boards sometimes. Oh, and this one Care Bears collectors forum. Home Theater forums - I check those out pretty regularly. Some "Buffy" forums, of course (the ones devoted to Nick Brendon). Some Apple forums. The computer and the fruit, actually. A few robotic seeing eye dog forums. I just check those a few times a day. I like the state of Maine a lot, so I visit a number of forums devoted to the the Pine Tree state. Also, I like the band The, The - so I check out their fans' forums. I have a friend that is an underwater drummer, so I'm on his site a lot. His forums are just a bunch of underwater drummers though (which I'm not) so I feel a little spy-in-the-house-of-love-ish. My friend Andrew Sweeney has a forum for local happenings. I don't go there. About two "One Tree Hill" forums, but I don't watch the show. I just find the people relaxing in a "time to masturbate to a "One Tree Hill" fan" kind of way.

Also, I frequent forums on the following subjects:

Consumer Reports
Bargain Hunting
Pepsi
Clouds
Chocolate
Ursula Andress
Undress
post #45 of 69
I feel I have been misquoted.
post #46 of 69
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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker
Probably because I don't trust the wide or narrow field they choose from. I doubt Bush's approval rating is that high right now. Of course that is only my opinion.
Ah. I thought you meant the PIPA study. Judging from past behaviour, I'd expect a Gallup poll to lean a little bit towards oversampling Republicans. On the other hand, going by general trends over the past four years, 51% approval sounds about right. For Bush, that's fairly high.
post #47 of 69
Every day I'm becoming more and more convinced Matchstick and Copper are the same person.
post #48 of 69


56 % approval rating.
post #49 of 69
You guys remember how sometimes it would seem like a totally different person was posting from Cosmoline's account? Notice how "down home" Copperlocke gets in this thread?
post #50 of 69
Yeah, but at least Cosmo knew that if you want to start a new sentence, you didn't have to hit "ENTER". You could just use this wonderful thing called a "period" (it looks like this: . and is located next to the question mark, which looks like this: ? , on your keyboard). OR, if you wanted to start a new paragraph, you hit "Enter" TWICE.

Like so.
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