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Should we invade North Korea??

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Nice quick poll for you.

The question is this.

Given the ramifications of doing so would you back a military attempt to overthrow Kim Jong-il and ‘liberate’ the people of North Korea.

The ramifications

•He has a cult of personality around him meaning his death at American or british hands could overshadow the chaos in Iraq
•China is very weird with North Korea and as such an attempt to invade could drag us into a war with China. (not good)
•Overstretched military resources means that the war would be much harder, much longer and would have much less regulation.

Add more as you see fit.
post #2 of 20

and they blow you up!

A war with Korea is something that could dragged into something close to a World War, You'll have China right there and with us in Iraq, it's to many of our forces all over the damn map. Also, the fact that they have nukes is something to be careful with, in turn if they know they are going to lose, whats going to stop them from using them..
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
Plus chinese conscription combined with a great sense of patriotism, an insane population, and equal opportunity military service means they could call on a force anywhere from 250 million to 600 million. They also outnumber us 10- 1 in the air due to the migs they bought off the ruskies.
post #4 of 20
40,000+ Rockets aimed at South Korea means we aren't going to invade N. Korea.
post #5 of 20
Would it be all the EU or just the UK invading N. Korea? It might make for interesting TV to see the Brits, French, Italians, and Germans invade a country together. As long as no nukes are used I'd say go for it. We in the States are rooting for you.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Would it be all the EU or just the UK invading N. Korea? It might make for interesting TV to see the Brits, French, Italians, and Germans invade a country together. As long as no nukes are used I'd say go for it. We in the States are rooting for you.
It's doubtful we'd manage to get on the plane before we all start pointing guns at each other.
post #7 of 20
My response to this would be ask China. Little NK doesn't do much to piss off big momma.
post #8 of 20
Hmmmm. Nuclear holocaust, or no nuclear holocaust? Nuclear holocaust, or no nuclear holocaust? Decisions, decisions.

Nope, I'm going to have to go with no nuclear holocaust.
post #9 of 20
If China were to step in,
you might see the begining of a splinter war
on several fronts, as well as the possibility
of Russia being run over with the Chinese
making a move for the south of the Soviet
border to the Soviet Asian states that are rich
with oil, and possibly a leap into Iran to sieze
their oil fields. Possibly the entire Middle East.

Secondly, if China links up with N. Korea they
could drive us out and reunify Korea only
this time as a Communist state. Blackmail the West
with the use of nukes if we don't withdraw from
Asian soil, and there you have it: the new peoples'
republic of Korea w\Chinese peacekeepers until
the country is economically stable. Perhaps the oil
from the MidEast would help to fuel the economy.

Just a thought, it's not like China dosen't have
the manpower to do it with..
post #10 of 20
Why should the Chinese worry about the financial and human toll of mobilising huge armies to take over the world when their economy will have achieved precisely the same result in 2040?
post #11 of 20
Invade North Korea? With what, spitballs?

In all seriousness though it's clear the mess in iraq is going to keep us from dealing with anything like this for a long time.
post #12 of 20
Courtesy of the Washington Times....

11/24

N. Koreans detail deadly experiments on prisoners


By Jeremy Kirk
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


SEOUL ? North Korean scientists are said to have conducted lethal gas experiments on political prisoners in the 1970s that were still happening as recently as 2002.
In 10 hours of interviews Monday, three North Koreans detailed chilling experiments in which prisoners were placed in glass chambers and exposed to chemicals that killed them within hours, said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group based in Los Angeles.

Mr. Cooper said the accounts came from North Koreans now living in South Korea and who purportedly were involved in the experiments.
"The openness and the specificity of the description of these murders was quite remarkable," Mr. Cooper said. "On the other hand, the lack of any inkling of remorse on the part of the individuals decades later ? this kind of action I found to be quite shocking.
"The attitude of the scientists ... was these were political prisoners, they were as good as dead anyway, and therefore, utilizing them for experiments held really no moral implications whatsoever."
Mr. Cooper said the interviews were arranged by other human rights activists in Seoul, not by the South Korean government.
None of the three North Koreans were present at the press conference, and few other details were released about them.
In a meeting later with South Korean Foreign Ministry officials, Mr. Cooper said, "there was absolutely no attempt to deny these kinds of activities on the part of the South Korean official I met. He did say it was unfortunate."
Mr. Cooper detailed an account from a 31-year-old North Korean chemist who said he was involved in one of two parallel groups involved in experiments.
The chemist's group experimented on animals, and recorded data on a chart.
The defector told Mr. Cooper that if the experiments were successful, "we then turned over the results to our colleagues, and they were experimenting on human guinea pigs."
Two of the North Koreans Mr. Cooper spoke with were sources for two presentations by the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) earlier this year.
Those programs featured interviews with North Koreans who said chemical experiments were conducted on humans, as well as documents that were said to have been smuggled from inside the country.
Pyongyang denied the reports.
The experiments are on a different scale and for different reasons than those of the Nazis, Mr. Cooper said. But the reports underscore the importance of incorporating human rights issues into discussions with North Korea, he said.
South Korea has avoided direct confrontation with North Korea on human rights issues. The North Korean Human Rights Act, signed into law in October by President Bush, was criticized by several members of the ruling Uri Party, who saw the measure as antagonistic and a threat to reconciliation between the Koreas at a time when economic cooperation is increasing.
post #13 of 20
Whilst it wouldn’t surprise me to find that the North Koreans are conducting such abhorrent experimentation, after the highly manipulative “Saddam Hussein kills babies in their cribs” propaganda that was spun prior to Desert Storm, I think we should treat all similar claims with a degree of skepticism.

After all, N. Korea is on Bush’s list of “bad nations”.
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Sounds highly dubious to me.

What I don’t get is what Bush gains from invading North Korea other than ousting a Dictator when he could go to Africa and find about 5 guys worse than Kim Jun-il.

I do actually think that Bush is one of horsemen of apocalypse and just wants to sentence us all to Nuclear Annihilation. I mean seriously George you won the election you don’t have to win wars to please the voting hicks anymore.

BTW Can somebody please give me a list of Kim Jung-il’s crimes against humanity because aside from killing a few political rivals I can’t find anything that evil about him.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Raiftel
BTW Can somebody please give me a list of Kim Jung-il’s crimes against humanity because aside from killing a few political rivals I can’t find anything that evil about him.
Try Amnesty International
post #16 of 20
The North Korean populace is an incredibly nationalistic group of people who see Kim Jong Il as something of a mother figure.

The Iraqis hated Saddam, and look how things are working out for us over there.

And then there's China, plus a royally pissed off Japan that now gets to clean up after the presumptive Korean nuclear strike on US bases in Japan.

In other words, no way. I hate North Korea as much as the next guy, but an invasion is just is not doable at this time.
post #17 of 20
When all else fails you go the Robocop route and play http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...5605-6954r.htm Nuke Em! by butler brothers.
post #18 of 20
Next from Raiftel: "What if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia in WWII?"
post #19 of 20
No...The cold war is over and America needs to MIND ITS OWN FUCKING BUSINESS!!!!

Our dollar is dropping astronomiclly against the Euro. Banks are already starting to showing signs of swithcing there currency reserves AWAY from the grrenback thanks to are increasingly large TWIN deficets.

We still have NO plan for Irag and we still have found NO reason to be there.

We still havent found Osama, Afghanistan is still a mess (not really, but its not stable)

Nor do we have enough soldiers to sustain a THIRD INVASION!

We have half the country without health insurance.

Gas is going to be 3 dollars a gallon soon.

GAYS ARE GETTING MARRIED (obviuosly the important thing)



We have alot more important shit to worry about, let them make a move for once since WW2. Then bomb them into the stone age's.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LlamaRama
Next from Raiftel: "What if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia in WWII?"
Then we'd all be part of the Unterland and Republican's would finally have a country with a similar agenda.

The actual thread was to see if anyone would support a war if George Bush weaved his devious little magic over Korea.
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