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Bush is too Afraid of Heckling to Address Canada's Parliament

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From The Toronto Star

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U.S. President George W. Bush will not be addressing Parliament when he comes to Ottawa next week, choosing instead to speak at a big dinner at the Museum of Civilization on the evening of Nov. 30.

Though Prime Minister Paul Martin's government had been hoping that Bush would take up an invitation to speak to Parliament — as his predecessor, Bill Clinton, did in 1995 — the White House ultimately decided against it and passed along the refusal on Monday, sources in Ottawa said yesterday.

Government House leader Tony Valeri refused to confirm plans for the Bush visit while they were still being worked out yesterday by Canadian and U.S. officials, but stressed that Bush was free to choose whatever venue he wanted to make remarks on this all-business visit to the capital.

"A foreign leader, coming here, if he can, would certainly be welcome (in the Commons). But it's certainly a working visit, so depending on the work schedule and what he has planned, that will be dictated by his own timetable," Valeri said.

PMO spokesperson Scott Reid was similarly tight-lipped yesterday, saying Ottawa wasn't ready yet to announce details of the Bush visit, scheduled for Nov. 30 and Dec. 1.

It's not yet known who will be invited to the dinner in the majestic hall of the Museum of Civilization, which sits on the Quebec side of the Ottawa River, directly behind the Parliament buildings. But it will undoubtedly become the hottest ticket in town in the coming days, with political and business people scrambling for an invitation. Security will be intense.

Bush and his advisers reportedly received strong assurances that he wouldn't be heckled if he addressed Parliament.
Unfortunately, you have to login to view the whole article, but I think the general idea comes across here. I think it's quite obvious that Bush would simply be torn apart if he had to take part in parliamentary sessions.

Frankly, I'm quite disappointed that no Canadian political party simply said "Yeah, we're going to heckle him and then walk out." It's too bad Svend Robinson is gone.
post #2 of 31
Least surprising news ever.

Bush isn't known for his debating skills or ability to handle criticism.
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It was the only decision they had left, getting heckled would have just being embarassing, while a non eventful visit wouldn't yield much gain for him. So they played it safe. No surprise at all ...
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Why would he be heckled anyway? Just because you make a speech in the House of Commons doesn't mean you're taking part in a parliamentary session. It's just the place in which you're making your speech.

Note: I didn't ask "Why should he be heckled?" There's no end of reasons why he should be heckled. I just don't think he would be.
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I agree with you Seabass, I loathe Bush and his policies. However this is not the palce to try to embarass the president by heckiling him. I mean we are adults right, and we do live in a society with free speech. We Canadians will have to accept that we have towork wth Bush for another 4 years.
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The person most likely to heckle him said she wouldn't anyway.
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Originally Posted by Lokican
I agree with you Seabass, I loathe Bush and his policies. However this is not the place to try to embarass the president by heckiling him. I mean we are adults right, and we do live in a society with free speech. We Canadians will have to accept that we have to work wth Bush for another 4 years.
Yeah, well it's good to see that SOME people see it that way. Heckling is a form of free speech as you are voicing unhappiness with something or someone, and that's cool. But some people get way out of hand, like that lady I saw the other night that stepped on the George W. Bush action figure in Canada. THAT type of behavior says more about how IMMATURE we are as human beings, than how mature we really should be. She was fired from the cabinet, and to be honest I can't say I'm sorry, because God knows the uproar there would have been if it were the opther way around and someone from America stepped on a Chretien action figure....
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Originally Posted by Metal Marine 04
Yeah, well it's good to see that SOME people see it that way. Heckling is a form of free speech as you are voicing unhappiness with something or someone, and that's cool. But some people get way out of hand, like that lady I saw the other night that stepped on the George W. Bush action figure in Canada. THAT type of behavior says more about how IMMATURE we are as human beings, than how mature we really should be. She was fired from the cabinet, and to be honest I can't say I'm sorry, because God knows the uproar there would have been if it were the opther way around and someone from America stepped on a Chretien action figure....
Or a Paul Martin action figure...
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl is the Universe
Or a Paul Martin action figure...
Oh yeah, forgot THAT bloke, LOL
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She stepped on the action figure on This Hour has 22 Minutes, a satire show. They had a report on how Paul Martin and Shiela Copps had a torrid affair and the Premier of Newfoundland or New Brunswick or whatever was all upset that he was being left out. I don't understand why people got so uppity about it.
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I can't believe someone is upset that an action figure of a president wasn't treated with respect. The very idea of a George Bush action figure is both hilarious and sad.

Which action figure was it? Was it Mission Accomplished President with Presidential Codpiece? Plastic Turkey President? A special Praying President version that clasps its hands together when you squeeze its legs?
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Any stepping-on of a Paul Martin action figure on an American comedy show would have been met with a heartfelt shrug.

She wasn't "fired from the cabinet" either. Jesus.
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
Any stepping-on of a Paul Martin action figure on an American comedy show would have been met with a heartfelt shrug.

She wasn't "fired from the cabinet" either. Jesus.
She was. She can't be kicked out of parliament, but she was kicked out of the Liberal cabinet. She's an independant now.
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Bush is too Afraid of Heckling to Address Canada's Parliament
Please.

Based on that article, the headline could just as easily have read: "Bush has other business, will not be able to meet with Parliament" or even "Bush will NOT wrestle 'Grumpy the Grizzly' at Wabash county fair"

However, as usual, feel free and paint any picture that you see fit to keep your little, strange world in order.
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
However, as usual, feel free and paint any picture that you see fit to keep your little, strange world in order.
I hope that phrase was purposefully ironic Grifter...
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Originally Posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
Please.

Based on that article, the headline could just as easily have read: "Bush has other business, will not be able to meet with Parliament" or even "Bush will NOT wrestle 'Grumpy the Grizzly' at Wabash county fair"

However, as usual, feel free and paint any picture that you see fit to keep your little, strange world in order.
No it couldn't. The article has nothing to do with Bush's other business or Grizzly bears. Headlines are supposed to describe the article beneath.

Oh well. If you want to believe your Free Speech Zone enforcin', loyalty oath requirin' president who whined to the Irish embassy because an Irish reporter expected her questions to be answered isn't afraid of a critical crowd, go ahead. Your arguments are always good for a laugh.
post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
The article has nothing to do with Bush's other business .

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"A foreign leader, coming here, if he can, would certainly be welcome (in the Commons). But it's certainly a working visit, so depending on the work schedule and what he has planned, that will be dictated by his own timetable," Valeri said.
Of course it didn't.
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And the rest, the stuff about the refused invitation to speak in Parliament and the assurances of a docile audience and the mentioning of what happened when Bush addressed the Australian Parliament is, I suppose, just filler. That's why the article's headline is "Bush will not address House".

Like I said, always good for a laugh.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
I can't believe someone is upset that an action figure of a president wasn't treated with respect. The very idea of a George Bush action figure is both hilarious and sad.

Which action figure was it? Was it Mission Accomplished President with Presidential Codpiece? Plastic Turkey President? A special Praying President version that clasps its hands together when you squeeze its legs?
It's not that, I think it's the idea that had WE done the same thing to say, Chretien action figure, or some other Canadian figure, there would be hell to pay, and that would make America look more evil that people percieve us now. It's ok for them to do what they want but if WE did it, Holy Hell would break loose.

It's just a very childish thing to do, just as when Cheney said "Fuck You" to whoever he said it to that one time. We're supposed to be setting examples, not create a floor show. Another example of how people on the far right or far left make themselves their worst enemies somedays.

The very idea of a George Bush action figure is both hilarious and sad.

I have the urge to laugh like hell at this statement for some reason, it just struck me funny.

As far as action figures, how about the new Kofi Annan doll? It sits behind a desk all day
taking bribes while it makes the world believe that it's an ally on the War On Terror. Oh, not
to mention what happens when you trade Oil For Food with it...
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Originally Posted by Metal Marine 04
It's not that, I think it's the idea that had WE done the same thing to say, Chretien action figure, or some other Canadian figure, there would be hell to pay, and that would make America look more evil that people percieve us now. It's ok for them to do what they want but if WE did it, Holy Hell would break loose.

It's just a very childish thing to do, just as when Cheney said "Fuck You" to whoever he said it to that one time. We're supposed to be setting examples, not create a floor show. Another example of how people on the far right or far left make themselves their worst enemies somedays.

The very idea of a George Bush action figure is both hilarious and sad.

I have the urge to laugh like hell at this statement for some reason, it just struck me funny.

As far as action figures, how about the new Kofi Anna doll? It sits behind a desk all day
taking bribes while it makes the world believe that it's an ally on the War On Terror. Oh, not
to mention what happens when you trade Oil For Food with it...
1. Holy Hell would not break loose. It didn't when Spitting Image aired, it wouldn't now.

2. This hour has 22 minutes is childish. So's SNL. So's The Royal Canadian Air Farce. What's your point? Cheney was working when he cursed that guy out. 22 Minutes is a political comedy show. Your comparison is ludicrous.

3. Stop posting about the UN. You don't know what you're talking about. You made that clear yesterday.
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Nice way to straighten things out Seabass
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It won't stick. It never does.
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I'm sure that post had a point. Can't imagine what it was, though.
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The protest seems to be going rather well. Few protesters have been arrested, and everything is peaceful and under control. I kind of like it that way since I live about five blocks down the street from Parliament.

I think I'm about to head out and join the protesters. I wasn't sure at first, but coming home and seeing Bush on the news, basically saying Canada means nothing to him, just makes my blood boil. I cannot, and probably never will get over the arrogance, and level of cockiness that Americans display overall. They are not the top of the world. They are not the be-all-end-all of everything. They are not the only human beings on this planet.

Now, I realize this generalization, but overall, I trully feel that the majority of the country that I've met matches this description. I do feel that many Chud people from the States are rather smart, well spoken people, but I'm still shocked by your lack of interest or sympathy over events that take place in the world that do not involve the States. It's a very selfish lifestyle.

Anyways, I'm just disgusted with your government, and your treatment of my country. You've often treated Canada like the mud beneath your boots, and I'll agree that we've somewhat accepted your attitude towards us. I hope that this visit just separates the two contries for a good while.
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
I'm sure that post had a point. Can't imagine what it was, though.
Uh ... it's a webcam of the Canadian parliament. Give us a glimpse of any protest that might be going on over there.
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Hey, yeah! I didn't notice it was changing. I thought it was some generic still.

I wonder what the crowd outside the museum will look like.
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The picture is staring to look nicer now at night, and the crowd is growing. At what time does the president speak?
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Hey, yeah! I didn't notice it was changing. I thought it was some generic still.

I wonder what the crowd outside the museum will look like.
Pffft. The very LAST place Bush would be is a museum. Maybe a library.
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Yes, the irony of his making a speech (and not answering questions like "Who the hell do you think you are, electing to ignore our sovereignty and build missile defense bases on our land with or without our permission?", I presume) at the Museum of Civilization is not lost on me.
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Hey, yeah! I didn't notice it was changing. I thought it was some generic still.

I wonder what the crowd outside the museum will look like.
Friends told me that it was a mix of direct action types and more moderate protesters. I heard there were some scuffles with police and a lots of dancing around a large bonfire, but I don't think they got anywhere near the museum, although the militant bloc probably could have broken through a police line earlier in the day to get to Hull.

Anyways, I returned from Ottawa earlier this evening and for two weeks' notice, I think things went really well. The turnout wasn't huge, but considering the fact that it was in Ottawa, on a Tuesday and the visit was only announced two weeks ago, it was fairly good. At least we outnumbered the pro-Bush demonstrators about 2500 to 1.

I did a mix of cooking, serving, cleaning dishes and marching. The food went incredibly well considering that the bulk of the organizing started after 5 PM on Monday. I think we made approximately 800 veggie-wraps and maybe enough soup for the same number.
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