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Why are you excited for ROTS?

post #1 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:42pm
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I don't share any of the sentiment I've heard other's espouse on this site. I keep hearing guys talk about how cool it looks and how George will finally deliver, but I'm not anticipating it. Oh, I do hope it's cool and a good movie, but I'm not jazzed at all.

So, to the people who are buzzing, why? What particular image or nugget or rumor has you so excited? Is it anything in particular? Or just some long-shot hope that Lucas won't dissapoint a third time?
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post #2 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:46pm
...because the prequels to me serve like the OT did for the rest of you. I love all five of 'em (okay, I "only" like Jedi), and can't wait to sit in a theater and see that 20th Century Fox logo and listen to John Williams' beautiful score.
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post #3 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:46pm
Capital T, Capital D.

Plus... lots and lots of lava, creepy imagery and the most brutal violence in any SW film.

Oh, and Ian McDiarmid.
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post #4 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:50pm
Space ships, lightsabers, shit blowing up real good.

I don't care how unhip or uncool it is to like these prequels. I like them, warts and all.
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post #5 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:51pm
Well, the rumours that Lucas is being a bit more free with the acting, and the enthusiasm that's coming from people like Ewan, who are never incredibly like 'OMG It's great!', the fact that he's finally into stuff that we actually give two shits about seeing, plus everything I've seen looks pretty spiffy. That's part of it, but the main thing is the same reason I stuck with the Star Trek movies, and the Batman movies. Because I'm always an optimist, and I like to think that life might surprise me. I know that sounds utterly silly, especially with what has gone before with TPM and AOTC, but I dunno. I just like to think that.

And of course, it's the last SW movie, so it's the last time we'll be able to do all of this. I guess it's like women. They fuck you over, but you go back time and again, because you hope this time it'll be different.
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post #6 of 54
1/10/05 at 4:58pm
Because then it will be over.
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post #7 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
... and the most brutal violence in any SW film.

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I see this reason a lot. What is the appeal of making the Star Wars universe dark and violent?
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post #8 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:01pm
because I don't expect any action movie to be good anymore-- I pay for the hope of good spectacle, and usually regret it after. the prequels have enough juice from the original trilogy to sustain what I would call anticipation, if not enthusiasm... that's more than I can say for films like the day after tomorrow. and I still shelled out money for that.
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post #9 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Because then it will be over.
That, too.
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post #10 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Space ships, lightsabers, shit blowing up real good.
The only reason I'll see it. Eye candy. (shallow I know, but Lucas has a gigantic budget to play with and ILM make cool effects, so there)
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post #11 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I see this reason a lot. What is the appeal of making the Star Wars universe dark and violent?
Because the story behind EP3 demands it.

In proper perspective, of course. We're talking TESB levels of darkness and violence (perhaps more), not APOCALYPSE NOW or KILL BILL.
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post #12 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I see this reason a lot. What is the appeal of making the Star Wars universe dark and violent?
It's the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK syndrome (also known as WRATH OF KHANitis). It had some dark and brutal stuff, and was also the best episode by far, so people are hoping for something approaching it every time.
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post #13 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:08pm
Because, and I believe a speak for a large part of the fanbase, is that about 90% of what we were all looking forward to in the prequels will happen in some way or another in ROTS.
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post #14 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:09pm
The one thing Lucas hasn't lost, is his ability to direct action. The speeder chase thru Coruscant and the ending of AOTC from the arena afterwards, are still fun to watch (the less said about the robo-factory scene, the better.)

That's about all I can get legitimately excited over. Everything thing else would have lots of potential, if Lucas didn't have such a narrow idea of what he wants to do.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if a real writer did end up scripting ROTS, but I'm not counting on it.
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post #15 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:12pm
I think as a society we are obbsessed with the down fall of what is perceived to be our own human condition...or simply put.... V A D E R ! ! !
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post #16 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Key Chung
The one thing Lucas hasn't lost, is his ability to direct action. The speeder chase thru Coruscant and the ending of AOTC from the arena afterwards, are still fun to watch (the less said about the robo-factory scene, the better.)

That's about all I can get legitimately excited over. Everything thing else would have lots of potential, if Lucas didn't have such a narrow idea of what he wants to do.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if a real writer did end up scripting ROTS, but I'm not counting on it.
Don't mean to be a nit-picky arsehole Key, but how much of the action sequences do you think Lucas actually directs? I imagine a scenario where he turns some blue/green screen footage over to some incredibly talented animtion/effects guys who brainstorm the bejaysus out of it and come up with the goods. An awful lot of the effectiveness of the action scenes in The Man-Ass and Clowns are down to the effects guys, plain and simple (Pod Race being the perfect example). In my humble opinion of course Thats not to say he doesn't have a hand - of course he does, but you can dress an absymal green-screen scene in a lot of purty effects/movement/lighting/action.
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post #17 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:24pm
Yeah I gotta at least watch my next dvd demo disc once, might as well do it on a huge ass screen.
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post #18 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:25pm
Because instead a hero-centric space adventure it will be a vilian-centric space tradgedy of epic proportions. There will be no happy ending. It will be depressing and bleak. The Sith will reveal themselves to the Jedi. There will be no more lurking in the darkness. It will be a full-out assault on everything we've come to understand as "good" in the prequels thus far. Quite literally, the heroes will end up getting their asses handed to them reminiscent of a certain other SW entry that has been previously mentioned.
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post #19 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:30pm
It's all about Grando Calrissian, my man.
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post #20 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Eye_H8_U
Because instead a hero-centric space adventure it will be a vilian-centric space tradgedy of epic proportions. There will be no happy ending. It will be depressing and bleak. The Sith will reveal themselves to the Jedi. There will be no more lurking in the darkness. It will be a full-out assault on everything we've come to understand as "good" in the prequels thus far. Quite literally, the heroes will end up getting their asses handed to them reminiscent of a certain other SW entry that has been previously mentioned.
I suspect many die hard SW apologists see themselves as the Sith smiting the prequel hating Jedi for their transgressions. The fact that this guy has already created the movie in his head is a dead giveaway. As if he just knows this movie will be the one to prove all the haters wrong.
"This movie is gonna be violent and brutal and kick your ass! That'll learn ya!"
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post #21 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:40pm
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Originally posted by BobClark:

I suspect many die hard SW apologists see themselves as the Sith smiting the prequel hating Jedi for their transgressions. The fact that this guy has already created the movie in his head is a dead giveaway. As if he just knows this movie will be the one to prove all the haters wrong.
"This movie is gonna be violent and brutal and kick your ass! That'll learn ya!"
Who says I created it in my head? It's all common knowledge around SW forums. And personally I don't care if the haters still continue to hate. It's not a popularity contest to me.

As has been stated already, the movie will be violent and brutal because that's what the story calls for, not the other way around.
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post #22 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:44pm
I'm just saying you've got a lot of love for a movie that hasn't even been made yet. All based on "insider' buzz that it will be brutal and dramatic. Why bother seeing it at all? You already seem to know what's going to happen and how good it will be.
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post #23 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors
Don't mean to be a nit-picky arsehole Key, but how much of the action sequences do you think Lucas actually directs? I imagine a scenario where he turns some blue/green screen footage over to some incredibly talented animtion/effects guys who brainstorm the bejaysus out of it and come up with the goods. An awful lot of the effectiveness of the action scenes in The Man-Ass and Clowns are down to the effects guys, plain and simple (Pod Race being the perfect example). In my humble opinion of course Thats not to say he doesn't have a hand - of course he does, but you can dress an absymal green-screen scene in a lot of purty effects/movement/lighting/action.
I don't really know how much of that stuff he actually directs and how much he pawns off on his crew. I just assumed a good chunk of it was directed by him, since the rollercoaster ride aspect of the prequels is all he seems to be interested with. That, and the fact that its very consistent.
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post #24 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Eye_H8_U
Because instead a hero-centric space adventure it will be a vilian-centric space tradgedy of epic proportions. There will be no happy ending. It will be depressing and bleak. The Sith will reveal themselves to the Jedi. There will be no more lurking in the darkness. It will be a full-out assault on everything we've come to understand as "good" in the prequels thus far. Quite literally, the heroes will end up getting their asses handed to them reminiscent of a certain other SW entry that has been previously mentioned.
What if that doesnt happen? Do we think Lucas has the balls to finish a trilogy on a terribly depressing and downbeat way? This is a PG kinda movie, and Empire was a sequel with a story to finish, I dont think I've ever seen a family rated trilogy end miserably.

How will you guys react if Lucas somehow manages a not-so-depressing ending? One with hope, all sparkly and feelgood, with Obi Won tickling Luke's baby chin before walking off into a Tatooine double sunset, with a spring in his step?

Or something.
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post #25 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
Capital T, Capital D.
That's OONTEEDEE!
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post #26 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:52pm
"Because I don't hate the prequels" is my umbrella answer.

More specific, though, if there's one thing I don't think even the most jaded SW fan can say Lucas screwed up, it's Palpatine. The second most compelling son of a bitch in this universe (behind Anakin, of course), and this is the film where he goes in for the kill. Somehow he goes from Senator Palpatine to the evil looking crypt-keeper fucker in the OT. I just can't wait to see how it all unfolds.

And, yeah, on a shallow level, The Duel can't help but rule all.
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post #27 of 54
1/10/05 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
What if that doesnt happen? Do we think Lucas has the balls to finish a trilogy on a terribly depressing and downbeat way? This is a PG kinda movie, and Empire was a sequel with a story to finish, I dont think I've ever seen a family rated trilogy end miserably.

How will you guys react if Lucas somehow manages a not-so-depressing ending? One with hope, all sparkly and feelgood, with Obi Won tickling Luke's baby chin before walking off into a Tatooine double sunset, with a spring in his step?

Or something.
Well, Lucas has stated from the beginning this will be a tragedy where, in his own words, "everybody dies." There are also the rumours it could be PG-13, although who knows how much of that is Jim Ward propaganda.

At the end of the day, there has to be an element of hope. EMPIRE's ending was incredibly miserable and downbeat, but it had the thread of hope. I'm hoping we'll have the same thing, on a grander scale. I mean, the next film is A NEW HOPE, so we'll be seeing the genesis of that new hope here with A: the birth of the twins and B: the creation of the Rebellion.
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post #28 of 54
1/10/05 at 6:00pm
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Originally posted by cognizant:

What if that doesnt happen? Do we think Lucas has the balls to finish a trilogy on a terribly depressing and downbeat way? This is a PG kinda movie, and Empire was a sequel with a story to finish, I dont think I've ever seen a family rated trilogy end miserably.

"Tonight on ET, we go behind the scenes of the final 'Star Wars' film and get a sneak peek at the unprecedented, four-panel cover of Vanity Fair magazine, on newsstands Jan. 11, that brings together some of the biggest stars of all six films, including MARK HAMILL, HARRISON FORD, CARRIE FISHER and BILLY DEE WILLIAMS alongside NATALIE PORTMAN, HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN, EWAN McGREGOR, LIAM NEESON, SAMUEL L. JACKSON and GEORGE LUCAS (and, of course, Yoda, C-3PO, R2-D2 and Chewbacca)!

They also mention the film may get a PG-13 rating:

The tone of 'Revenge' will be darker than the usual 'Star Wars' movies, and Lucas "hints that Anakin Skywalker is literally going to go to the underworld, to hell itself," says Windolf. "He says it's going to be a violent movie; it looks like he's prepared to accept a PG-13 rating," which none of the previous films have received.

Check back for more later! You'll also see the image on E! News and in today's edition of the New York Post."
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post #29 of 54
1/10/05 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
What if that doesnt happen? Do we think Lucas has the balls to finish a trilogy on a terribly depressing and downbeat way? This is a PG kinda movie, and Empire was a sequel with a story to finish, I dont think I've ever seen a family rated trilogy end miserably.

How will you guys react if Lucas somehow manages a not-so-depressing ending? One with hope, all sparkly and feelgood, with Obi Won tickling Luke's baby chin before walking off into a Tatooine double sunset, with a spring in his step?

Or something.
First off, the rumors are getting awfully strong from various places that the PG-13's gonna happen, unless Lucas asks for otherwise. the very fact that it's that strong of a possibility kinda guarantees that this isn't gonna be a light and sunny affair at all.

Second, to be fair, Lucas has already finished this series with a sparkly feelgood ending, full of Ewoks and party music and fireworks. Episode III is the middle chapter. Meaning, he can depress the shit out of us all if he wants to. All he has to do is say "Don't worry kids, it turns out okay later on!"

Andf how will I react if Lucas gives us a not-so-depressing ending? Although I doubt it (given that one of the images I keep hearing about recently is R2, post-Duel, dragging Padme's dead body onto a ship), hey, Empire ended on something of a "Hey, good luck" sort of vibe too...doesn't say it can't still work. But, by nature, the rest of the story's not gonna be so pretty.
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post #30 of 54
1/10/05 at 6:07pm
I am hoping that the voice coach will bring in a huge piece that has been lacking in the PT. Also, Maybe this will be the true prequel to the OT answering all of the questions that people had about Anakin Pre-TPM. Also , the way this movie has to end can be summed up in one word: Bittersweet. Sure the Jedi have been destroyed, Padme killed and Anakin turned to the dark side, but there is that glimmer of hope in the birth of the twins that the audience will realize that everything that the Republic has fought for hasn't been in vain.

And as the crow pointed out, it's not as if we don't all know how everything turns out anyway .


As much as I dislike the PT (AOTC has some decent moments), I am hoping that this experience will be different.
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post #31 of 54
1/10/05 at 6:12pm
The only thing I'm curious about is how the droids get their memories erased. I suspect they go to the Lacuna labs willingly in order to have the horror of Jar Jar and Sonic Yoda purged from their memory banks.
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post #32 of 54
1/10/05 at 7:00pm
Because...

When I was about eleven, I remember inventing my own story for Anakin so that I would have something fun to talk about with the other kids at summer camp. Return of the Jedi was finished, the whole Star Wars universe was sinking into the background as the toys fell to clearance racks and other movies grabbed our imaginations, and yet we were still inspired by it all. The rumor when we were kids was that there were books of Episodes I-III and that in one of those books, Obi Wan and Anakin fought and Anakin got thrown into a volcano. I don't know how that story got started or where I first heard it, but that was the basis for my own invented saga of Anakin, and it always ended with a duel and a volcano.

If the trailer is any indication, I'm finally going to get to see that duel and that volcano, and that alone is enough for me.
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post #33 of 54
1/10/05 at 7:05pm
Because it's Star Wars. Just like the James Bond films, once I hear the theme music I have a Pavlovian response to get excited.
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post #34 of 54
1/10/05 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I suspect many die hard SW apologists see themselves as the Sith smiting the prequel hating Jedi for their transgressions. The fact that this guy has already created the movie in his head is a dead giveaway. As if he just knows this movie will be the one to prove all the haters wrong.
"This movie is gonna be violent and brutal and kick your ass! That'll learn ya!"
This is what I don't understand, if you don't like the movies, that's great. Doesn't affect anybody at all.
But why is there a need to play the victim (smiting the prequel hating Jedi) and insult people? Look at the trailer, the pictures and leaks, it's reasonable that the movie sounds dark and violent, let your fanatic tendencies at home and start being reasonable.
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post #35 of 54
1/10/05 at 7:55pm
I'm looking forward to it cause I have enjoyed the prequels, sure many fans feal cheated, some have lost faith, others have dedicated scenes in their T.v. shows to lighting up all their Star Wars merchendise [Simon Pegg; Spaced] but I want to see that last duel cause the duels have been one of the better qualities of the prequel trilogy, also the involvement of a dialogue coach or whatever he is and the enthusiasm by the cast makes me think maybe they might get this one right, the two previous ones weren't really that neccesary, the first is Palpatine creating a situation where he can obtain power while the second is all about him getting an easily commanded army, in the third we get to see him use that power and that army to crush the jedi and all who stands in his way......

Yeah I know, being hopeful that the next one will be great is something many naysayers scoff at but screw it, i'll continue to hope until May.......

As for a ending, we know it's gonna be dark....but I just don't think it's gonna be "all the jedi are wiped out time to commit some evil" *IRIS OUT WITH STAR WARS MUSIC*

Such music wouldn't fit very well, even if it's traditional to end with it.

So I think that it will end with Luke being delivered and Obi Wan telling the Uncle and Aunt that he'll stay on the planet and when the time is right fate will play out, that Luke will grow up to play a large role in the shaping of the galaxy in the coming future, maybe a shot of the Uncle and Aunt standing there holding Luke as the music swells and then goes into that End Credits music. Just a thought.......

At least people ho hate the trilogy get to see all the characters they hate die........except for Jar Jar.... :P
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post #36 of 54
1/10/05 at 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by zeroplate
Because...

When I was about eleven, I remember inventing my own story for Anakin so that I would have something fun to talk about with the other kids at summer camp. Return of the Jedi was finished, the whole Star Wars universe was sinking into the background as the toys fell to clearance racks and other movies grabbed our imaginations, and yet we were still inspired by it all. The rumor when we were kids was that there were books of Episodes I-III and that in one of those books, Obi Wan and Anakin fought and Anakin got thrown into a volcano. I don't know how that story got started or where I first heard it, but that was the basis for my own invented saga of Anakin, and it always ended with a duel and a volcano.

If the trailer is any indication, I'm finally going to get to see that duel and that volcano, and that alone is enough for me.
That's a beautiful story Seriously, my memories of that post-Jedi period are very similar. I remember hearing that there were books for ep. 1 - 3 and that Obi-Wan and Anakin fought on a volcano. How that started, and why I remember that, I'm sure some will know. Basically, I'm excited simply because it is a Star Wars movie. Even with the relative disappointment of the first two, I still like them (especially when thinking about them and not watching them - weird!)
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post #37 of 54
1/11/05 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by Miasta
That's a beautiful story Seriously, my memories of that post-Jedi period are very similar. I remember hearing that there were books for ep. 1 - 3 and that Obi-Wan and Anakin fought on a volcano. How that started, and why I remember that, I'm sure some will know. Basically, I'm excited simply because it is a Star Wars movie. Even with the relative disappointment of the first two, I still like them (especially when thinking about them and not watching them - weird!)
This article from the terrific 1987 10th anniversary SW issue of Starlog got me all hot 'n' bothered for the prequels in the pre-Zahn years (used to have scans of the piece, but they've been taken off the website):
"Behind the Lines of Star Wars"

By Michael Wolff

Starlog -- July, 1987 (10th Anniversary Issue)


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Who was Luke's mother? Where did Darth Vader hide? And why might
Boba Fett still be alive to plague the offspring of Princess Leia
& Han Solo? An intrepid interplanetary war correspondent applies
empirical reasoning to these and other questions.
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With Star Wars celebrating the tenth anniversary of its release,
it suddenly seems proper to return for a look at what has already
been experienced. We are, after all, dealing with a genre institution
which has spawned a great deal of discussion everywhere from
campuses to SF conventions to business offices. The characters,
the surrounding universe and the technology all bear closer
examination before George Lucas decides to raise the curtain on
the next act.

So it is that the following notes are presented, collected over
repeated viewings of the three Star Wars films, as a review of
several topics and details which should not be forgotten:

When the full tale of Luke and Leia's early years are told, it'll
probably be a tale filled with a good deal of cloak and dagger.
Recall the comment made by Luke in The Empire Strikes Back,
as to how Dagobah seemed familiar to him? If Obi-Wan Kenobi,
rather than Yoda, trained Darth Vader, then it's possible Vader
never knew Yoda or heard of Dagobah. When Luke and Leia were
spirited away, Luke might've spent a few years on Dagobah until
it was safe enough to move him to Tatooine. One can imagine Yoda
(or Kenobi) fervently applying the Force to insure that Vader
and the Emperor never caught on to the training planet or the
young Luke.

And, as Leia vaguely remembers her mother, she holds another story
worth telling. Did her mother keep Leia longer before secretly
moving to Alderaan? For that matter, who was Anakin Skywalker's
wife? How much of the Force did she understand? Enough to hide
her children (with Kenobi's help) from Vader? Not to mention
managing to successfully place her daughter with the Alderaan
royal family. Vader never felt the Force in Leia the way he did
in Luke. Did Leia's mother (or Kenobi or Yoda) place mental
barriers so as to insure that Leia would remain the ace in the
hole?


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Spaceships & Death Stars
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In The Empire Strikes Back novelization, it was noted that
Boba Fett's uniform was actually a uniform for a soldier known
as a "Shocktrooper" which predated the Imperial Stormtroopers.
If so, will these uniforms be seen in greater number during the
Clone Wars (alleged to occur during Star Wars episodes one through
three)?

The supposed final fate of Boba Fett also doesn't seem very certain.
It's true the Sarlaac was a formidable beast. It's also true that
Fett fell into the Sarlaac with his weapons intact. Ponder that
one for a while.

Everything is relative, including how modern the Star Wars
technology really is. The Rebel Alliance was supposed to be a
spit-and-bailing-wire operation, hence they were using older
spacecraft against the Empire's newer TIE Fighters. Presumably
then, in the Clone Wars films, X-Wing and Y-Wing vessels would be
represented as state-of-the-art spaceships, while, in the films
which will make up the final three chapters, TIE Fighters should
be seen as older and more well-worn vehicles.

Note, by the way, how the spaceship procurement problem radically
changed by the time of Return of the Jedi. The Alliance sports
several new fighters, as well as a variety of other vessels. It's
possible the support of the newly-allied Mon Calamari included
their native starship fleet (in Jedi's battle scenes, the
"pickle ships" are commanded by Mon Calamari).

TIE supposedly means "Twin Ion Engines." Realistically, an ion
engine shouldn't be able to provide the sort of performance
evidenced by the Imperial fighters, being designed for a gradual
and steady build-up of thrust. It's likely, though, that the
propulsion system utilized ion engines the way automobiles
use spark plugs, or modern nuclear weapons use smaller atom
bombs as triggers. A constantly turning over ion engine could
provide instant response and maneuvering power necessary for
a front line fighter.

The ships' solar panels have always raised questions. A solar-
powered spaceship would only be as useful as the sun around
which it traveled. One imagines Imperial fighters pursuing
Alliance ships, only to become inoperative as they moved out
of the sun's range. If the fighters utilized ion engines, then
it makes more sense to assume that the side panels acted to
radiate waste heat.

If a TIE Fighter is a short-range vessel, however, then where
did Vader go after the destruction of the first Death Star?
One guess: He simple circled Yavin and landed on the fourth moon
(the location of the Rebel base). There, using the Force, he
remained hidden from the Alliance until an Imperial ship answered
his call. He could have used the time to spy on the Alliance,
observing their ship strength and available military hardware,
and probably gnashing his teeth as he watched his quarry pack
up and leave for Hoth before an Imperial fleet could arrive.

Speaking of the Death Star's destruction, it never fails to amaze
that the Empire could squander vast resources on not one but
two massive space fortresses which had weaknesses exploitable
by small spaceships. The first time was an understandable oversight,
but it's practically unforgivable that the same thing happened
with the second Death Star.

Also, why did the Empire choose to construct the Death Star around
a backwater place like Endor? Two answers come to mind. If Endor
was a moon, then the world around which it orbited may have been
abundant in the sorts of metals necessary for constructing something
as large as the battle station. (The Empire's exploitation of the
planet may have caused it to "disappear into unknown realms," as
described in the Jedi novelization. The Endorian planet can
be seen, however, on its moon's horizon in the pre-Jedi Ewok
TV movies.)

Or, the Emperor thought to crush the Rebellion by luring their
forces to Endor. It wouldn't have been worthwhile to expect that
the Alliance would lauch an attack against the doubtless heavily
defended Imperial construction yards. By moving the Death Star
construction to Endor, the Emperor knew that, sooner or later,
the Alliance would be tempted to strike. The Empire Strikes Back
demonstrated how time-consuming it was to physically search for
the Rebels, when it proved simpler to sit back and have them race
right into the Empire's gunsights.

The Death Stars were so large ("He's heading for that small moon")
that they probably used a gravitational field as a by-product
of their mass. A careful utilization of this field could have
produced sufficient thrust to drive the battle stations through
space, and that's why engine ports were never seen on either
Death Star.

The gravitational field could, given time, attract gases and such
to provide the surface of the Death Star with a slight atmosphere.
The Imperial engineers would have taken advantage of this to
provide an added source of shielding to the stations. This,
along with the magnetic locks of the docking bays, explains how
the bay doors could apparently be left "open" to space.

The main weapon of the Death Star, sufficient in strength to tear
a planet apart, could have been anti-matter delivered in a laser-
guided magnetic sheath.

Laser recoil is admittedly a minor point, but a few people wondered
why the lasers recoiled as they did on the Death Stars and the
Millennium Falcon. If these lasers are of the gaseous variety,
then the recoil could have been the venting of waste gas.

The hand blasters and rifles are probably lasers of a more solid-
state variety, hence no recoil.

(To be continued)
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post #38 of 54
1/11/05 at 2:36am
(Continued from above:)
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Droids & Weapons
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There is more to C-3PO than meets the eye. Early on, the droid
tells Luke that he's "not very good at telling stories." That's
an interesting statement in light of the fact that he knew Leia
before meeting Luke ("There'll be no escape for the Princess this
time," quoth the droid in the Star Wars opening sequence) yet
he claimed ignorance of her when R2-D2 first projected her image.
What was he hiding? Brian Daley's radio adaptation of Star Wars
even alludes to the droids' double-dealing.

Also, for someone who claims to be an inept storyteller, Threepio
managed to keep the Ewoks enthralled with his account of the
previous adventures. A careful study of his programming might
provide one with interesting reading.

In fact, Threepio and Artoo seem to serve as lynchpins in the
scheme of things concerning the Rebellion, always popping up at
key events. Kenobi had never seen them before, so who was responsible
for insuring that such useful tools would fall in beside Luke
and Leia? Yoda would be a suspect, even though Artoo didn't recognize
him (as a security precaution, Yoda could have wiped all information
of himself and Dagobah from the droids' memories). Or, since
Threepio and Artoo first appear with Leia, perhaps these remarkable
mechanisms were the final bequest of Luke and Leia's mother.

Light sabers, those elegant devices, probably started out as
simple fusion torches before someone realized that, by extending
the work beam, a useful hand weapon could be created. Hence,
the first Jedi Knight might have been a construction worker.

There's a Terran equivalent to this idea. Most of the weapons
used by martial artists began as simple farm implements.

Chewbacca's weapon is an odd device -- a laser crossbow? That's
like using an F-15 to drop paper airplanes. But what if crossbows
were common weapons on Chewbacca's world of Kashyyyk? Perhaps,
when Chewbacca decided to take up the life of a spacer, he had
his familiar sidearm modified to fire something a bit more
formidable. He could still use the crossbow's original mechanism
for for work which required extreme stealth.

The eventual films which may depict incidents taking place in
and around the Clone Wars will hopefully answer questions touched
upon here. Though the stories will likely spotlight a younger
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, a good deal of the center
stage should also be reserved for the mother of Luke and Leia,
and the actions she undertook to save her children from the
newly-risen Darth Vader. What, for instance, was the extent of
Kenobi's involvement, or Yoda's? And there's also the fall of
the Republic, the first days of the Empire and its Emperor, the
formation of the Alliance and the audience's first encounter
with C-3PO and R2-D2.

Then, in the last three chapters, the universe will be different.
The Emperor and Vader will have perished, but the remains of the
Empire will still be a problem. Those final Star Wars adventures
could chronicle the inevitable offspring of Han Solo and Leia who
would be a young adult around this time. With the Millennium Falcon
as an inheritance (plus extensive Jedi training from Leia's brother,
Uncle Luke), there should be sufficient excitement to allow the
Star Wars saga to end on quite a satisfactory note.
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post #39 of 54
1/11/05 at 2:45am
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If a TIE Fighter is a short-range vessel, however, then where
did Vader go after the destruction of the first Death Star?
One guess: He simple circled Yavin and landed on the fourth moon
(the location of the Rebel base). There, using the Force, he
remained hidden from the Alliance until an Imperial ship answered
his call. He could have used the time to spy on the Alliance,
observing their ship strength and available military hardware,
and probably gnashing his teeth as he watched his quarry pack
up and leave for Hoth before an Imperial fleet could arrive.
Sounds like a great idea for a one-off Star Wars comic or fan-film.
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post #40 of 54
1/11/05 at 11:00am
I never realized what a dumb/lying bastard 3PO was in ANH before reading this article! He clearly states "There will be no escape for the Princess this time" alluding to the fact that he is quite aware of who Leia is. Yet later on Tatooine he acts as if he were seeing Leias Visage for the first time.

Interesting...

And as far as where the origins of the Obi-Wan/ Anakin Lava fight origins go... look no further than the novelization of ANH and ROTJ. It was either there or in the childrens book of the stories.
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post #41 of 54
1/11/05 at 12:04pm
I'm excited for ROTS simply because it's STAR WARS. It's in my blood. The sights! The sounds! The feel!

I just hope it's good. I'm pretty sure I'll like it no matter what, but with a name that reads ROTS, the set up for the negative reviews is incredible. I'll just get frustrated and my eyes will roll... I might even die.
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post #42 of 54
1/11/05 at 5:00pm
Everyone slips. Rome wasn't built in a day, y'know
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post #43 of 54
1/11/05 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by poopoodle
Yeah. The undying devotion to that ancient religion.

Everyone knows my stance on Episode 3. But it's not an easy one to make. And I actually started to waver a little bit. Or lighten up.

I finally got around to watching the Empire Of Dreams documentary. (SW dvd was a christmas gift.) Seeing all of the work and effort and magic that happened on those films. It was great viewing. I've never been a LUCAS basher. Obviously, I think his last two efforts haven't been up to par but I've never attacked him or said he's a loser, blah blah blah. But I had taken him for granted, or forgotten about all of the things he's accomplished.

Watching that doc really filled me with nothing but Star Wars goodwill.

And then the wife and I sat back and watched Empire Strikes Back. This was the first time I had really "watched" the movie since, I guess 1998 (whenever the SE:Videos came out). I've seen bits or watched scenes but never actually sat and watched it as a movie it quite a while.

It's still great. And I found myself not bothered, really, by the tweaks and changes. Whatever. The movie's great and getting bugged out about Vader calling for his shuttle or not didn't matter.

(***Let me play my own devil's advocate here, and point out that I haven't watched Star Wars or Jedi yet. And the changes in those are more combustable. So my goodwill could easily swing back once I view those!)

Anyway. It's Star Wars. I'm still not sold that Lucas is going to pull a rabbit out of his cgi hat. True, the buzz is building, the stars are saying the right things, this is the one Lucas cares about, etc etc etc. It's tough to not fall in that trap. Isn't it? Didn't the trailers for AOTC seem pretty cool, too?

But, this is it. The last time a bunch of 20-30-40 something men can sit togehter in the dark and cry because R2-D2 does something cool. And that's a strong pull.

Ah, but then pictures of a giant-headed Vader doing the tango surface and I'm snapped out of my momentary trance!

I still plan on skipping it. But I'm creeping ever closer to the dark side. The lure is too strong. It'll be my failure in the cave! It's Star Wars.
"Your will to boycott this movie has been lost. And your friends on the Not-Gonna-See-Episode-3 page will not survive. There is no escape, my young apprentice. The Anti-Revenge of the Sith Alliance will die...as will your friends. Watch this film and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete!"
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post #44 of 54
1/30/05 at 3:12am
All I want are three things: Lots of Palpatine, large-scale space battles without pre-teens, and lightsaber fighting that doesn't involve the elderly or CGI. Neither prequel had all three, but it looks like RotS will deliver.

I expect whiny, cheesy dialogue and a muddled plot, so gimme some good action and I'll be happy.
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post #45 of 54
1/30/05 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by Werbal_Kint
Or just some long-shot hope that Lucas won't dissapoint a third time?
Yes
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post #46 of 54
1/30/05 at 5:30am
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Why are you excited for ROTS?
Simply put...Darth Sidious/Emperor.

My all time favorite character of the SW universe.
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post #47 of 54
1/30/05 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Because then it will be over.
Don't say it's over until it's over. I don't think anyone after seeing ROTJ in 1983 expected to see a prequel trilogy, despite many people's desire to see two other trilogies.

Yet roll 1997 and there you go.
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post #48 of 54
1/31/05 at 4:58pm
Because I have spent most of my childhood and all of my adulthood obsessed with these movies.On may 19th I will for the last time see a Star Wars movie that I have'nt seen yet. Immediatly afterwards I will buy a tie and grow up.
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post #49 of 54
1/31/05 at 8:12pm
I'm looking forward to seeing it because I like star wars, end of story....

In the back of my mind, sure I'm hoping it'll better the two prequels, but even if it doesn't I simply don't care... Its the last Star Wars film, I've seen them all in the cinema since the age of seven and I think / hope it'll go out in a blaze of glory.... if only because of the final showdown between Obiwan and Anakin.

I hope it manages to join the dots to the OT and as has been mentioned before I also hope that it'll contain that Empire / Wrath of Khan style darkness which marked those two particular films out from their respective series'.
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post #50 of 54
1/31/05 at 9:57pm
I am not going to watch it because it is Star Wars, I am going to watch it because I am interested in the story and the universe it inhabits, as I am with most movies I willingly bother to watch in cinemas.

Next retarded question, please.
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