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post #101 of 140
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Originally Posted by Lee
hehe saying you prefer the extended Alien Resurrection is kinda like saying you like a shit sandwich on toasted bread instead of just a plain ol shit sandwich
Yeah, that's a funny way of putting it. =)

Things I like in Resurrection:

- the underwater sequence
- supporting cast such as Ron Perlman, Gary Dourdan and Michael Wincott. They all add some personality to the proceedings. Perlman is especially great and brings life to the film.
- the newborn Alien bits. I may be in a minority but I enjoyed the chessiness of the whole newborn scenes for some reason.

That's all the positive shit I can muster for the film. Man, I still remember how fucking excited I was when Resurrection came out Nov. '97. I caught all the TV spots and shit and then finally saw the film. Haven't been so letdown with a film. Oh wait.... Phantom Menace.

The special edition of Aliens has some cool bits in it (like Ripley's brooding over her daughter, discussion between Vasquez and Hudson, and Hicks and Ripley introducing each other by name) but a lot of the additional scenes tend to slow the film down. I still prefer the original, theatrical version. Same for the original Alien.

So the original (Alien 1) one is your favorite, right Lee?
post #102 of 140
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
post #103 of 140
Nevermind, I read Cameron's article. It is a alien, but has no backstory.

Cameron should make a trilogy prequel about the intergalactic wars that humanoid "may" have been involved in. He sounded interested, sorta........

Anyways, I would go.
post #104 of 140
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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
No, there is no fossilized facehugger attatched to the Space Jockey's (as it is fondly known) skull...what you assume to be a tail of a facehugger is some form of trunk, or similar appendage...the Space Jockey appears at least to be 'elephantine'-looking...



Obviously, it DID get 'hugged', but whether it was transporting a cargo of alien eggs in the ship's hold or just crashed on a queen's nest I think is best left to our imagination.

Should you wish to pursue this line of enquiry, might I suggest seeking out the 1st volume of 'Dark Horse Comic's' 'Aliens' series [or was it the third?]? These guys turn up at the end...and, boy, was THAT a good ending to a series! (sarcasm)
post #105 of 140
Thats awesome. Thanks Graham.
post #106 of 140
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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
Yeah that´s the way to go, the next Alien film should be a prequel.
Bring back Dan o´Bannon and let him work out a story, and HR Giger should do the creature designs!
post #107 of 140
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Originally Posted by Randolph Carter
Yeah that´s the way to go, the next Alien film should be a prequel.
Bring back Dan o´Bannon and let him work out a story, and HR Giger should do the creature designs!
Jesus christ no....after reading excerpts of Dan's Original script on the Alien Quadrilogy special features I am of the belief that he should not be allowed anywhere near the franchise...he called a character Faust for fuck sakes...

Then again the special features of Alien on the quadrilogy have really made me dislike O'Bannon...he just comes across as very, very whiney.

Anyways with regards to special edition I prefer the overall pacing in the director's cut of Alien, aside from the egg chamber scene screwing up the climax.

My first experience of Aliens was the Directors Cut VHS

Alien 3 has become my favourite in the quadrilogy thanks to the special edition generally because of the large amount of character moments

Alien 4 is not saved by a crappily rendered bug...
post #108 of 140
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gumble2gumble
So the original (Alien 1) one is your favorite, right Lee?
You betcha! I managed to see it when I was 8 on a Betamax video tape... My parents were outside doing gardening and general house stuff meanwhile I found the tape and watched it... heheh I had some interesting dreams for a while but it blew me away and I still love it to this day.

Re: Dan O Bannon, yeah I have to say that he proved on the Quadrilogy DVD set that a film isnt just one guy but a combination of people & circumstances that make happy accidents movies, and when they try and replicate that "lightning in a bottle" moment it invariably never quite matches the quality of the original.

Alien Resurrection is a good example of this as it had more money than any of the others thrown at it, lots of CGI and was in every way O.T.T. as a production... and in the end you got exactly what you'd imagine... A mess...

Alien worked because the production was hampered by adversity, such as the Alien not being ready when it came to shooting it which required it to be kept in the dark a lot and such like... sometimes a troubled shoot and some real limitations can help a production immensely...
post #109 of 140
Did you guys know that the character of Dr. Wren in Alien Resurrection was to be played by Bill Murray? I guess it was intended to be a reunion for the two stars of Ghostbusters but it didn't pan out.
post #110 of 140
That would have been interesting. I wonder why he turned it down.
post #111 of 140
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That would have been interesting. I wonder why he turned it down.
Because he read the script?

Reading this thread got me interested in seeing Resurrection again (hadn't seen it since the theater) to find out if it's really as bad as I remember.

It is. Alien 3 is a guilty pleasure because it has some good ideas and moments, and I'm a huge of Fincher, but Resurrection is just boring. It's not even an interesting failure like 3 is.

One thing that struck me about the last two movies is that Ripley is really in no danger. Because of the queen inside of her in 3 and the genes she possesses in Ressurection that link her to them, she's off-limits to the aliens in a way. Having your main character that the audience identifies with from the previous movies in no immediate threat is a big blunder, in my opinion.
post #112 of 140
I've always loved Alien 3, especially the longer cut of it on the recent box set release. Alien Resurrection is pretty bad though, but it's awfulness can't hold a candle to the atrocity that is named Alien vs. Predator.
post #113 of 140
You guys remember the Alien Resurrection game for the original Playstation? I remember enjoying it a lot when it came out. Then I played it again years later and was stunned by how much it sucked.

They also made an Alien 3 game for Super nintendo and Genesis. That game wasn't great but it was enjoyable in a waste-a-couple hours way.
post #114 of 140
I really dislike Resurection, and AvP. Don't even consider them a part of the series. Alien 3 is bad, but at least it seems to follow the basic idea of the first two. Obviously the first two are the real Alien movies. I really hope no more come out.
post #115 of 140
Ok...I hope necro-ing a thread this old isn't a no no..

BUT

..since I brought up Alien Resurrection in the Covenant thread, I realized we don't talk about that one that much. What's the consensus here? Like? Hate? Indifference?

To me it's so far removed from the first two that, actual Aliens aside, it doesn't even feel much like any of the others. It's kind of an anomaly. It's a tad slight as well.

But for being a movie that is one of THE most perfect examples of an unneeded sequel, it's not bad on it's own terms. It feels like it takes place in Terry Gilliam's Brazil's universe rather than that of the other Alien films. It's R rated as fuck...which we don't get enough of nowadays so that certainly helps to view it through some rose tinted glasses.and after a couple of sequels that gloss over the horrible sexual nature of the alien, this one picks that thread back up and doubles down on it. It's one gooey movie. It almost feels like Bruce Campbell should be in it somewhere. Good cast. Nice pace. Oddball characters. Visuals are spot on...although I know I've heard a few people say that it has extraordinarily bad visuals but no one who's said that has ever given much clarification as to what it is they hate about the way it looks. Is it the GRAAAAADING or the FX or what?

The only negatives that I can think of right off the top of my head are Dan Hedaya's shoulders which I'm not totally convinced aren't a Rick Baker creation and the absolute wasting of Michael Wincott. He literally got a red shirt death. And I don't really care much for the generic-y title but that's not a mark on the film itself.

But again, as far as unneeded sequels go, ALL of the post T2 Terminator movies just WISH they were half as interesting as this is.

TL;DR
I think AR is up for a reevaluation cause it has a lot going for it. I'll probably watch this tonight.
And I'll also probably keep plagiarizing Bradito's joke until he tells me to stop..
post #116 of 140

Agreed on all counts. I enjoy Resurrection a lot. 

 

It's a weird, messy, dirty movie but I think the proto-Firefly crew are a shitload of fun. Ripley-8 is weird as fuck and bangs an Alien at one point. And that weird squeal the Hybrid thing let's out has stuck with me for years. 

 

I would never call it a GOOD movie. But it's a fun mess. And those are always a blast. 

post #117 of 140

I like Resurrection very much until the Newborn is...born. The ending feels like the budget ran out. 

 

But Weaver is doing some of her best work as #8 (she's not really Ripley, but a whole new being). The sets and costuming are innovative and eyepopping. There's some great one-liners, sanded down a bit from the even more Whedon-y script (that's easily accessible online). And Raimi is a good comparison, there's some gonzo camerawork on display here (I especially like when the camera follows the rolling grenade into the escape pod). 

 

The creatures are a little too rubbery for my taste, and don't appear to have arms at some points, and are played a little too silly. But as a whole it's kind of the most accurate representation of where the Alien series was in the '90s, kind of a loose adaptation of all those Dark Horse comics. And I'm fine with that!

post #118 of 140
I like everything about Resurrection except Winona Ryder. She almost single handedly sinks that film for me.

I've said it somewhere else before, but Resurrection has the best moment of pure horror in the whole series for me. The bit where the hijacked cryosleepers wake up, strapped in front of Alien eggs. Terrifying.
post #119 of 140
The Newborn single-clawed-handedly sinks Resurrection for me. It's such an awful design.

Winona is adorbs!
post #120 of 140
I like the newborns beergut and shitty posture.
post #121 of 140
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post

I like the newborns beergut and shitty posture.
It looks like if that singing alien in Jabba's palace was played Kirk Douglas circa now.

...and they had to cgi out it's gigantic schlong-gina. Yes...the puppet had graphic genitalia. The director felt that the audience should understand that the newborn was a hermaphrodite. Fox....disagreed...to put it lightly. So now it's as smooth as a Ken doll..
post #122 of 140
What I dont 'like' about Resurrection is it's weird and absurd . . . I dont know, Frenchiness . . . like if Jeunet did an Alien film.

Oh, wait.
post #123 of 140
It straight up feels like watered down Gilliam to me..
post #124 of 140
Brazaliens . . . I can see that.
post #125 of 140
I always dug the scene where the xenomorph crawls into that escape pod or whatever and just lays waste. Has a similar type of confined horror to it as that Vader scene in ROGUE ONE.
post #126 of 140
The trailer for Resurrection was amazeballs.
post #127 of 140

"so, misterrrr BOND... what is your favorite ALIEN film?"

 

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post #128 of 140
Snowpiercer! That's another movie that had a similar vibe to Resurrection. That was bugging me..
post #129 of 140
Snowpiercer -- now there's an overrated nonsense movie.

"It's a train where each car is a different class of people who are traveling across the iced-over Earth."

"Why is this happening?"

"It's a metaphor."

"That's not really a reason."
post #130 of 140
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Snowpiercer -- now there's an overrated nonsense movie.

"It's a train where each car is a different class of people who are traveling across the iced-over Earth."

"Why is this happening?"

"It's a metaphor."

"That's not really a reason."
Agentsands in 3.....2.....1

He was aghast that I didn't dig Snowpiercer. I never said I hated it. It was just too weird for me and I couldn't get on it's wavelength. It was well made though. But it just seemed like it was being super weird just to do it..,not with any purpose. I mean, Tilda Swinton's performance was like nails on a chalk board. I understand she's supposed to be hateable but she could have at least been just a horrible person and not 100% grating to look at and listen to as well..
post #131 of 140
Snow piercer is too weird, but a grown man dressed as a bat fighting alien god, forget about it.
post #132 of 140
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Agentsands in 3.....2.....1
You don't know me!
post #133 of 140
Snowpiercer?

Fucking awesome.
post #134 of 140
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

Snow
is too weird, but a grown man dressed as a bat fighting alien god, forget about it.
Not the what of it.....the how. The movie flowed weird and it's pacing felt skittish. I said I thought the visuals were lovely. And I even said I think it's a good movie. Just a good movie I happen to not care for. Nice try Freems!.
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You don't know me!

But you did bust my chops (lightly) over Snowpiercer awhile back..
post #135 of 140
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

But you did bust my chops (lightly) over Snowpiercer awhile back..
Did I?

Such good sport.

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post #136 of 140
That would be me falling out of the tree.


...and then going back to my trailer to watch The Spy Who Loved Me again..
post #137 of 140
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

..since I brought up Alien Resurrection in the Covenant thread, I realized we don't talk about that one that much. What's the consensus here? Like? Hate? Indifference?

To me it's so far removed from the first two that, actual Aliens aside, it doesn't even feel much like any of the others. It's kind of an anomaly. It's a tad slight as well.

But for being a movie that is one of THE most perfect examples of an unneeded sequel, it's not bad on it's own terms. It feels like it takes place in Terry Gilliam's Brazil's universe rather than that of the other Alien films. It's R rated as fuck...which we don't get enough of nowadays so that certainly helps to view it through some rose tinted glasses.and after a couple of sequels that gloss over the horrible sexual nature of the alien, this one picks that thread back up and doubles down on it. It's one gooey movie. It almost feels like Bruce Campbell should be in it somewhere. Good cast. Nice pace. Oddball characters. Visuals are spot on...although I know I've heard a few people say that it has extraordinarily bad visuals but no one who's said that has ever given much clarification as to what it is they hate about the way it looks. Is it the GRAAAAADING or the FX or what?

 

Resurrection is a bad film, but it's a bad film made with talent and skill pretty much across the board. In a perfect world, all bad films would be this imaginative and entertaining. 

 

I think the main things that let it down are its tone and visuals. 

 

Tone-wise, Aliens 1-3 aren't goofy or tongue and cheek - they take themselves seriously, and the directors and writers of all of them worked hard to treat the B-movie premise as realistically possible. Resurrection is aiming to be a big, gory, wacky cartoon, so it jars with what comes before.

 

Visually, it's very distinctive. It's noticeably stylised in a way that its predecessors - all visually beautiful films - aren't, with lots of, again, wacky cartoon angles and 90s CGI trick shots. It's not ugly, but its grungy and sleazy looking. The alien design for this film also looks like Giger's original design by way of Edgar Bug. 

 

The film does move though, and it has a lot of interesting ideas and fun sequences. Effort and care were put it into it, and one big thing in its favour is that it doesn't do anything to undermine the previous films - Ripley 8 is a different person, its 200 years in the future, the crappier looking aliens are mutants, etc. It doesn't do anything totally inane like making the xenomorphs mutants tweaked by a robot a few decades before. 

post #138 of 140

Weaver, out and about during Alien 3

 

 

from https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/917191566984228864

post #139 of 140
Would hug.
post #140 of 140

Reminds me of Mia Sara in LEGEND when Darkness is trying to seduce her.

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