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post #101 of 114
7/17/05 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Lee
hehe saying you prefer the extended Alien Resurrection is kinda like saying you like a shit sandwich on toasted bread instead of just a plain ol shit sandwich
Yeah, that's a funny way of putting it. =)

Things I like in Resurrection:

- the underwater sequence
- supporting cast such as Ron Perlman, Gary Dourdan and Michael Wincott. They all add some personality to the proceedings. Perlman is especially great and brings life to the film.
- the newborn Alien bits. I may be in a minority but I enjoyed the chessiness of the whole newborn scenes for some reason.

That's all the positive shit I can muster for the film. Man, I still remember how fucking excited I was when Resurrection came out Nov. '97. I caught all the TV spots and shit and then finally saw the film. Haven't been so letdown with a film. Oh wait.... Phantom Menace.

The special edition of Aliens has some cool bits in it (like Ripley's brooding over her daughter, discussion between Vasquez and Hudson, and Hicks and Ripley introducing each other by name) but a lot of the additional scenes tend to slow the film down. I still prefer the original, theatrical version. Same for the original Alien.

So the original (Alien 1) one is your favorite, right Lee?
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post #102 of 114
7/17/05 at 10:35pm
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
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post #103 of 114
7/17/05 at 11:12pm
Nevermind, I read Cameron's article. It is a alien, but has no backstory.

Cameron should make a trilogy prequel about the intergalactic wars that humanoid "may" have been involved in. He sounded interested, sorta........

Anyways, I would go.
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post #104 of 114
7/17/05 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
No, there is no fossilized facehugger attatched to the Space Jockey's (as it is fondly known) skull...what you assume to be a tail of a facehugger is some form of trunk, or similar appendage...the Space Jockey appears at least to be 'elephantine'-looking...



Obviously, it DID get 'hugged', but whether it was transporting a cargo of alien eggs in the ship's hold or just crashed on a queen's nest I think is best left to our imagination.

Should you wish to pursue this line of enquiry, might I suggest seeking out the 1st volume of 'Dark Horse Comic's' 'Aliens' series [or was it the third?]? These guys turn up at the end...and, boy, was THAT a good ending to a series! (sarcasm)
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post #105 of 114
7/18/05 at 2:41am
Thats awesome. Thanks Graham.
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post #106 of 114
7/18/05 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes
I have a question: In ALIEN, inside the derelict ship they find, there was a bigger than normal humaniod skeleton sitting down in a seat belonging to a telescope looking thing? I'm not exactly sure, but there may have been a xenomorph fossil/skeleton on its face?

Was that a humanoid alien ship taken over by the invertebrate aliens?

If so, THAT could be a good movie. Show the takeover from an alien's perspective.

Prequel!

(Anyone help me out here?)
Yeah that´s the way to go, the next Alien film should be a prequel.
Bring back Dan o´Bannon and let him work out a story, and HR Giger should do the creature designs!
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post #107 of 114
7/18/05 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Randolph Carter
Yeah that´s the way to go, the next Alien film should be a prequel.
Bring back Dan o´Bannon and let him work out a story, and HR Giger should do the creature designs!
Jesus christ no....after reading excerpts of Dan's Original script on the Alien Quadrilogy special features I am of the belief that he should not be allowed anywhere near the franchise...he called a character Faust for fuck sakes...

Then again the special features of Alien on the quadrilogy have really made me dislike O'Bannon...he just comes across as very, very whiney.

Anyways with regards to special edition I prefer the overall pacing in the director's cut of Alien, aside from the egg chamber scene screwing up the climax.

My first experience of Aliens was the Directors Cut VHS

Alien 3 has become my favourite in the quadrilogy thanks to the special edition generally because of the large amount of character moments

Alien 4 is not saved by a crappily rendered bug...
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post #108 of 114
7/18/05 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by gumble2gumble
So the original (Alien 1) one is your favorite, right Lee?
You betcha! I managed to see it when I was 8 on a Betamax video tape... My parents were outside doing gardening and general house stuff meanwhile I found the tape and watched it... heheh I had some interesting dreams for a while but it blew me away and I still love it to this day.

Re: Dan O Bannon, yeah I have to say that he proved on the Quadrilogy DVD set that a film isnt just one guy but a combination of people & circumstances that make happy accidents movies, and when they try and replicate that "lightning in a bottle" moment it invariably never quite matches the quality of the original.

Alien Resurrection is a good example of this as it had more money than any of the others thrown at it, lots of CGI and was in every way O.T.T. as a production... and in the end you got exactly what you'd imagine... A mess...

Alien worked because the production was hampered by adversity, such as the Alien not being ready when it came to shooting it which required it to be kept in the dark a lot and such like... sometimes a troubled shoot and some real limitations can help a production immensely...
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post #109 of 114
9/23/05 at 12:30am
Did you guys know that the character of Dr. Wren in Alien Resurrection was to be played by Bill Murray? I guess it was intended to be a reunion for the two stars of Ghostbusters but it didn't pan out.
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post #110 of 114
9/25/05 at 10:10am
That would have been interesting. I wonder why he turned it down.
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post #111 of 114
9/25/05 at 10:34pm
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That would have been interesting. I wonder why he turned it down.
Because he read the script?

Reading this thread got me interested in seeing Resurrection again (hadn't seen it since the theater) to find out if it's really as bad as I remember.

It is. Alien 3 is a guilty pleasure because it has some good ideas and moments, and I'm a huge of Fincher, but Resurrection is just boring. It's not even an interesting failure like 3 is.

One thing that struck me about the last two movies is that Ripley is really in no danger. Because of the queen inside of her in 3 and the genes she possesses in Ressurection that link her to them, she's off-limits to the aliens in a way. Having your main character that the audience identifies with from the previous movies in no immediate threat is a big blunder, in my opinion.
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post #112 of 114
9/29/05 at 2:29pm
I've always loved Alien 3, especially the longer cut of it on the recent box set release. Alien Resurrection is pretty bad though, but it's awfulness can't hold a candle to the atrocity that is named Alien vs. Predator.
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post #113 of 114
10/15/05 at 9:16pm
You guys remember the Alien Resurrection game for the original Playstation? I remember enjoying it a lot when it came out. Then I played it again years later and was stunned by how much it sucked.

They also made an Alien 3 game for Super nintendo and Genesis. That game wasn't great but it was enjoyable in a waste-a-couple hours way.
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post #114 of 114
10/17/05 at 2:34pm
I really dislike Resurection, and AvP. Don't even consider them a part of the series. Alien 3 is bad, but at least it seems to follow the basic idea of the first two. Obviously the first two are the real Alien movies. I really hope no more come out.
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