New perspective on Ep. 1 and 2 - Page 2

This thread has become proof that both the Pro and Anti Prequel wings have idiots.
People seem to forget the difference between "concept" and "execution". TPM had good basic concepts, but was totally fucked up in Execution.
And that is why Ep 3 will not make the first two prequels any better: too many of the flaws of the TPM and AOTC (though AOTC is not a total disaster like TPM) are those of execution instead of concept.
it might all be one Saga, but parts of the Saga are a hell of a lot better then others, and some parts...well...they just suck.

GIve it up, RJ. You are an embarassment to all defenders of the prequels. You can make a case for the prequels, but you sure as hell ain't doing it....

"Amazing how all you whiny "critics" sound exactly like bitter old ladies. As for the people I've singled out, they're a bunch of pricks. "

You have been borderline for a long time, guy, but now it is official. You have gone over the border and are now a Troll.

A cuntgoblin troll no less.

"These prequels have more depth than people give them credit for. "
Yeah, Jar Jar is charecter of such intelligence and depth that the mind boggles.
"You must unlearn what you have learned. "
If I hear one more SW fanboy use that line I will scream.
Even if what you said is true, that leaves the whole question of execution...how well Lucas' plotline was filmed. And I maintain between bad dialogue, some bad performances, and overemphasis on special effects and and underemphasis on everything else the prequels are badly flawed no matter how good the basic plotline and story arc are.. In fact, if it were not for the last half of AOTC, I would say they suck.
Can you actually defend crap like Jar Jar Stinks, Jake Lloyd's poor acting as Anakin, and the miserable, horrible Anakin/Padme love scenes?
Good acting, good dialogue, these things a Jedi desires not....

"I freely admit that after several attempts I decided I have little talent as a fiction writer."

"People seem to forget the difference between 'concept' and 'execution.' 'TPM' had good basic concepts, but was totally fucked up in execution."

"And I maintain between bad dialogue, some bad performances, and overemphasis on [visual] effects and underemphasis on everything else..."

Wow. That's pretty specific for someone who has "little talent" as a writer.

Thanks. It was also Carl's B-day too.

Hey, mshmadhi, this whole routine you have that nobody except a writer should be allowed to comment on a writer is a bunch of bullshit.
I can't write dialogue worth a damn. But I can tell bad dialogue when I hear it.
I am a lousy actor but I can spot a shitty performance when I see it.
Guy, if nobody is allowed to comment on a movie except for someone with a background in film making, then we might as well shut down CHUD and every other film site.
God, fanboys drive me up the fucking wall.

sounds like a regular "crappy by design" excuse, not all that different than when people say the first one was made for young children, and the second was made for slightly older young children.

Beginning chapters/sections in books are slow because they're setting up characters, introducing themes, etc... are you telling me that the prequel characters are just so complex that they've needed 5 hours of film to properly fill them out? Sorry, not meaning to sound mean, but that idea kinda made me chuckle to myself

If in fact it's taken 2 whole movies just to get to the real meat of the prequel storyline, then I'd say the written story arc pretty much needs a complete rewrite. Personally I think that Ep1 and Ep2 kinda fail in regards to setting up the Anakin/Obi-wan friendship. The only real glimpse into it that we get to see is the 10 second elevator ride up at the beginning of Ep2. We can see that it's there.. but it's off-camera and their chemistry as friends isn't really helped much by it. Ep1 gets kinda wasted, due to it spending all its time dealing with a friendship that ends at the end of the movie and forces Ep2 to start from scratch with Anakin/Obi-wan and Anakin/Padme.

"Hey, mshmadhi, this whole routine you have that nobody except a writer should be allowed to comment on a writer is a bunch of bullshit."

You're absolutely right. When I want my house redesigned, I'll ask for the opinion of my dog's groomer -- 'cause, you know, having insight into a particular area is absolutely extraneous or irrelevant; all that matters is what *I* think, whether it has any basis in reality or not. Me, me, me, me, me.

"I can't write dialogue worth a damn. But I can tell bad dialogue when I hear it."

Odds are you can't -- and how could you if you had absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about?

"I am a lousy actor but I can spot a shitty performance when I see it."

Again, I sincerely doubt it.

"Guy, if nobody is allowed to comment on a movie except for someone with a background in filmmaking, then we might as well shut down CHUD and every other film site."

Ah, herein lies the problem -- you misunderstand me. Not allowed to comment? That's ridiculous. Not allowed to have an opinion? Again, that's inane. Not allowed to speak with authority when, in actuality, you have none? That's spot on. One's subjective -- the other, objective.

"God, fanboys drive me up the fucking wall."

And that's *exactly* what I'm trying to avoid -- stereotypical fanboy discussion in which everyone knows every-fuckin'-thing about every-fuckin'-thing. Go to a sports site and *everyone* is the most skilled and most insightful coach. Go to an automobile site and *everyone* is the perfect mechanic incarnate. Go to a film site and *everyone* knows *everything* about writing and acting and editing and whatever other subject is at hand.

It's not real or substantive discussion; it's masterbation.

Have fun up your wall.

Acting, dialogue, special effects, etc are all examples of something that's artificial trying to appear like reality. We all have equally good idea on what reality is, because we live it every single day. When acting/dialogue/effects/etc are bad, it's because it doesn't come across as natural to our eyes and ears - something all of us have the ability to recognize.

Btw, it's spelled "masturbation" but I don't consider myself an expert speller or anything.

But by trying to avoid stereotypical fashion of one kind, you're immediately going into stereotyping of another - the bullshit ideal that nobody is allowed to make any kind of comment unless they have no experience with what they're commenting on. Christ knows, I've never been shot but I know it fucking hurts.

I consider myself an expert on masturbation, and thats exactly how its spelt...