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And this is why Star Trek fans get no respect

post #1 of 56
2/21/05 at 10:59pm
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http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|93703|1|,00.html

They're trying to raise $32 million in order to save a TV show.
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post #2 of 56
2/21/05 at 11:03pm
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post #3 of 56
2/21/05 at 11:10pm
Meanwhile, The Wire dies a quiet death...
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post #4 of 56
2/21/05 at 11:10pm
There's worse things in the world..... It'll would be wild if they did reach that goal...

\hates all star track after star track deep shit nine...
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post #5 of 56
2/21/05 at 11:13pm
$32 million? I bet the little kid on the left could fetch a cool $50 000 in some countries. That should get them started at any rate.
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post #6 of 56
2/21/05 at 11:20pm
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It just blows my mind that with all the suffering in the world, with all the things that $32 million could go to and make a difference, they want to spend it on a TV show.
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post #7 of 56
2/22/05 at 12:27am
"in order to save a TV show."

And you bother to make a whole thread about it.

All of the Star Trek shows are better than 95% of the crap than is on the US airwaves now.
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post #8 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:07pm
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Making this thread took slightly less effort than earning $32 million dollars.
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post #9 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:26pm
"All of the Star Trek shows are better than 95% of the crap than is on the US airwaves now."
Oh, god, a die hard trekkie.
"Enterprise" was a bad show, pure and simple.
So if something has the words "Star Trek" in it, it automatically makes it better then all the other crap out there? Enterprise was slightly worse then the typical US TV sitcom.
The show is dead, people. UPN gave it every chance. They kept it on longer then most networks would have kept a show with it's low ratings on. I wish that Fox would have given "Wonderfalls" One Quarter of the time that UPN gave "Enterprise".
It flopped. It had no Ratings. It is no more. It has ceased to be. It is a Ex TV Series.
I think the True fans of Star Trek...most of whom bailed out on Enterprise a long time ago...would want to give the whole franchise a reat for a few years then come back with something decent.
BTW in several interviews Berman is blaming everybody but himself for the cancellation of Enterprise.
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post #10 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:27pm
32 million dollars could go to a much better cause. Or even a much better TV show....
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post #11 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:35pm
The show was just starting to get it together. I'm disappointed. Not so disappointed I'm about to put on a costume, but disappointed nonetheless. The last two seasons are a vast improvement over the first two.

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It just blows my mind that with all the suffering in the world, with all the things that $32 million could go to and make a difference, they want to spend it on a TV show.
You can say this about pretty much any television show or movie. How much good would the profits of just one movie do per year if the studio donated it to some charity? Hundreds of millions of dollars change hands in Hollywood every year. Why single these guys out?
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post #12 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:45pm
How do you say "Get a life" in Klingon?
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post #13 of 56
2/22/05 at 4:49pm
I don't.
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post #14 of 56
2/22/05 at 5:05pm
This is what happens to fanbases that seriously think a Captain Sulu TV show is a good idea.
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post #15 of 56
2/22/05 at 5:14pm
I'm only a casual fan and I would absolutely watch a Captain Sulu show before Enterprise or Voyager.
32 mil bankrolls a lot of wet young bitches!
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post #16 of 56
2/22/05 at 5:22pm
Amen to that!
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post #17 of 56
2/22/05 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by PMR
This is what happens to fanbases that seriously think a Captain Sulu TV show is a good idea.
I have never consistently watched a Star Trek TV show other than the original series. This is a time, rather than snobbery, issue. I can assure you, however, that I'd make the time to watch Captain Sulu.

Actually, Takei's a little old to be Captain Sulu. How about Admiral Sulu, Chief of Starfleet Operations?
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post #18 of 56
2/22/05 at 6:31pm
its been said before and I'll say it again, I am a trek fan, not a rubber ears talk klingon type fan, just a guy who watches Sci Fi and doesnt find Trek too taxing after a hard day at work.

But even I think that they should just...

Let.
Trek.
Die.

I mean, its become so formulaic over the past series, especially Voyager and Enterprise that really its a series that has nothing new to say....

Let it rest.... and maybe come back to it in 20 years time, but for christ sake dont waste $32mill on resurrecting the lamest of all the series, the one that drove even the casual apologists (like myself) who would say things like "oh but even TNG only got better at the end of series 3" away....

If you're going to spend that kind of money, spend it on a Enterprise fans group therapy session to help them get over it.
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post #19 of 56
2/22/05 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I'm only a casual fan and I would absolutely watch a Captain Sulu show before Enterprise or Voyager.
Especially if he uses that voice from the "Blow'd Up" commercial.

"Ohhhh Yeah!"
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post #20 of 56
2/22/05 at 9:16pm
Personally, I think it's great that a bunch of loyal fans are getting together to try and save a show they enjoy.

I can't say that Enterprise is my "cup of tea", and I don't think they stand much of a chance, but I wish them the best of luck nonetheless.

Where’s your sense of esprit de corps, people?
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post #21 of 56
2/22/05 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
Where’s your sense of esprit de corps, people?
Watching FAMILY GUY.
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post #22 of 56
2/22/05 at 9:28pm
There are many SF shows that I would gladly have raised funds for in the pouring rain if I genuinely thought it would do any good. Indeed, faced with a choice back in the mid 80s of saving Blake's 7 or casting some member of my family adrift in the shark-infested waters of the mid-pacific, I would have hesitated.
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post #23 of 56
2/22/05 at 9:48pm
$32 million to get Star Trek back on [Star] Track? God damn, go donate it to a worthier cause......

Stupid.
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post #24 of 56
2/23/05 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
You can say this about pretty much any television show or movie. How much good would the profits of just one movie do per year if the studio donated it to some charity? Hundreds of millions of dollars change hands in Hollywood every year. Why single these guys out?
Because Hollywood is a business like any other and I always encourage them to give as much to charitable organizations as possible. However, they have a legal obligation to their shareholders and they have to keep spending money in an attempt to make money.

These douchebags, on the other hand, are trying to get this money because they apparently can't live without their weekly Star Trek episode. It's downright selfish. And I don't know who would give them money. How do you even pitch that?

"je QaQ jaj"

"Excuse me?"

"Oh, I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that many on this planet do not speak the language of the mighty Klingon race. My name is Ark-RAjQ and I'm trying to get donations to keep the artistic masterpiece 'Star Trek: Enterprise' on your telescreens."

"I'm calling the police."

"It is a good day to die."
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post #25 of 56
2/23/05 at 2:06am
"Where’s your sense of esprit de corps, people?"
I am proud to say that I have no spirit de corps when it comes to dumbass fan behavior like this. They have about as much chance of saving the show as a snowball has of surviving in hell.
I loved the way they are using these dumbass polls to try to drum up support. If a poll is unscienctific..ie with proper controls...it don't mean shit.
BTW it's about time for some dumbass Star Wars fans to start standing in line for the first showing of ROTS. Never heard of Fandango, apparently....
Seriiously, I can understand a line party the night before but getting in line two or three months before...
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post #26 of 56
2/23/05 at 2:17am
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I understood the whole standing-in-line-for-months thing back when Episode I was about to come out because it had basically been a fourteen year wait for a new Star Wars film and people were willing to sit outside and wait a few more months for tickets everyone was sure to be trying to get.

But then Episode I sucked and people decided that the whole standing-in-line-for-months thing probably wasn't the best idea. For Episode II, I just went to the box office about a few weeks before the film came out and didn't even have to wait in a line.

Honestly, at this point, if you're standing in line months ahead of time to buy Star Wars tickets, it's because you enjoy being outside and avoiding real social interaction.
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post #27 of 56
2/23/05 at 6:30am
To think now thousands of mail order brides will never make it to the US
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post #28 of 56
2/23/05 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
I understood the whole standing-in-line-for-months thing back when Episode I was about to come out because it had basically been a fourteen year wait for a new Star Wars film and people were willing to sit outside and wait a few more months for tickets everyone was sure to be trying to get.

But then Episode I sucked and people decided that the whole standing-in-line-for-months thing probably wasn't the best idea. For Episode II, I just went to the box office about a few weeks before the film came out and didn't even have to wait in a line.

Honestly, at this point, if you're standing in line months ahead of time to buy Star Wars tickets, it's because you enjoy being outside and avoiding real social interaction.
Wow, that's real fucking pompous. It must be great to know you're better than so many people though. I'd just like to know, what's your definition of real social interaction? I mean, if it's not doing something silly and fun with your friends that a lot of the time is done for charity.
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post #29 of 56
2/23/05 at 10:44am
Having been a die hard trekkie in my student days....whom during the "Next Gen" era, was actually attending weekly trek-meetings. I think this is great. I plan to follow it closely.

Such a preposterous act, of trying to gather $32m for a (not very good) TV show, is hysterical. I'm certainly getting more entertainment out of this than the best of Voyager and Enterprise all rolled into one.

In my hearts of hearts, I don't wish them good luck, and I hope that the vast majority of people that are approached for funding, look into themselves... and decide to donate their money to smething actually worthwhile.... International Disaster Relief for example.

My personal conviction is that $32m of donations going to Star Trek, would be allot of donations not going somewhere else.

Nevertheless, I plan on following this free-for-all entertainment.

Thank you Star Trek Fans.
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post #30 of 56
2/23/05 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by mclihah2
In my hearts of hearts, I don't wish them good luck, and I hope that the vast majority of people that are approached for funding, look into themselves... and decide to donate their money to smething actually worthwhile.... International Disaster Relief for example.
It could be argued that these causes are one and the same ...
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post #31 of 56
2/23/05 at 11:00am
There is your tv show right there!

"Trek Aid" watch as a group of fans try to gather enough money for one series of their beloved show.
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post #32 of 56
2/23/05 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Charles B
Wow, that's real fucking pompous. It must be great to know you're better than so many people though. I'd just like to know, what's your definition of real social interaction? I mean, if it's not doing something silly and fun with your friends that a lot of the time is done for charity.
I just don't understand how people are willing to stand outside, sleep outside, eat outside, and be cool neglecting all other obligations (what do they do for a living?) for tickets that aren't difficult to get.

And I don't mean to imply that hanging out with your friends in a line for a few months doesn't count isn't social interaction, but it does seem fairly limited. Am I better than these people? Well, obviously not financially. I don't have the means to just stand in a line for a few months.
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post #33 of 56
2/23/05 at 1:02pm
If you're getting up in arms because standing in line for a movie is retarded, you need to take a step away from the computer.
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post #34 of 56
2/23/05 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
If you're getting up in arms because standing in line for a movie is retarded, you need to take a step away from the computer.
And go stand in a line?
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post #35 of 56
2/23/05 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
If you're getting up in arms because standing in line for a movie is retarded, you need to take a step away from the computer.
And if you're getting up in arms over anything Trekkies do, I'd suggest the same.
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post #36 of 56
2/23/05 at 2:13pm
Mexican standoff!
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post #37 of 56
2/23/05 at 4:19pm
"Mexican standoff!'
No, Balance Of Terror!
Let's keep it on topic.
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post #38 of 56
2/23/05 at 4:48pm
[QUOTE=Matt Goldberg]Because Hollywood is a business like any other and I always encourage them to give as much to charitable organizations as possible. However, they have a legal obligation to their shareholders and they have to keep spending money in an attempt to make money.[Quote]

There's plenty of frivolously spent money to go around. How many multi-million dollar homes are there in Los Angeles? How much money is spent on champagne at release parties in a year? How many people own collections of cars they never drive? This lot of Trekkies are the last bunch I'd pick on for being selfish.

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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
These douchebags, on the other hand, are trying to get this money because they apparently can't live without their weekly Star Trek episode. It's downright selfish. And I don't know who would give them money. How do you even pitch that?
Ads in the trade magazines, maybe. The same way the pitch to renew Firefly was presented.
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post #39 of 56
2/23/05 at 5:46pm
Maybe this new trend of studios cancelling show and fans going apeshit could be avoided if the studios would just put together a website: www.howtosaveyourfavoriteshow.com

Fans need to be schooled on the way television works. The programs are not produced to provide content for the viewers, or to tell stories, or to build luminous backgrounds for beloved characters. The content only exists because no one (well, not many) will sit and watch 24 hours of commercials, so the studios have to invent reasons for the commercials to exist. The television stations are in the ad delivery business, not the content publishing business.

Enter: Star Trek (insert your favorite show here). If you want to save your show, the only thing to do is find a list of companies who advertise during that time slot and buy the fuck out of their soda water, suvs, anal suppositories, or whatever other bullshit they are pimping. If the advertisers thought that Enterprise was helping to sell Huggies better than re-runs of Weakest Link 2, they'd keep it on the air. If a slow-motion shot of a dog shitting for an hour sells more Mazdas than Buffy, good bye Buffy. People seem to forget this when they cry injustice or put massive amounts of time and energy into saving television shows.
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post #40 of 56
2/23/05 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Because Hollywood is a business like any other and I always encourage them to give as much to charitable organizations as possible. However, they have a legal obligation to their shareholders and they have to keep spending money in an attempt to make money.

These douchebags, on the other hand, are trying to get this money because they apparently can't live without their weekly Star Trek episode. It's downright selfish. And I don't know who would give them money. How do you even pitch that?

"je QaQ jaj"

"Excuse me?"

"Oh, I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that many on this planet do not speak the language of the mighty Klingon race. My name is Ark-RAjQ and I'm trying to get donations to keep the artistic masterpiece 'Star Trek: Enterprise' on your telescreens."

"I'm calling the police."

"It is a good day to die."
Christ, I hate stupid fucks like those.

Put it another way:

The day an Imperial Klingon Warrior Academy opens its door in my neighborhood will ALSO be a day that I open the doors of my dining-room gun cabinet.
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post #41 of 56
2/24/05 at 5:10pm
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[QUOTE=Seabass Inna Bun][QUOTE=Matt Goldberg]Because Hollywood is a business like any other and I always encourage them to give as much to charitable organizations as possible. However, they have a legal obligation to their shareholders and they have to keep spending money in an attempt to make money.
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There's plenty of frivolously spent money to go around. How many multi-million dollar homes are there in Los Angeles? How much money is spent on champagne at release parties in a year? How many people own collections of cars they never drive? This lot of Trekkies are the last bunch I'd pick on for being selfish.



Ads in the trade magazines, maybe. The same way the pitch to renew Firefly was presented.
If you have the money to spend on the big cars and big houses, and big...uh, drinks, then you probably have enough cash to spend on charity as well. At the very least, you're probably taxed up the ass so at least there's that. But these Trekkies aren't building homes or even transportation. They just can't live without their TV show. And hey, there have been shows I've enjoyed that have gotten cancelled, but you suck it up and move on. If you're really passionate, then you can take out an ad in a trade magazine. But an ad does not cost $32 million.
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post #42 of 56
2/24/05 at 10:04pm
ONE problem is that the Trekkies are divided over Enterprise --a great many thought it was a bad show and were glad to see it die...and you really need the hardcore fans on one page to make something like this work. Now it if a faction of a faction, and the powers that be know this.
The problem was simple:The show was getting shitty ratings, and advertisers did not think it was worthwhile to advertise on it.
All the fans in the world cannot change that.
IMHO they would be better served to write off Enterprise and put pressure on to get a new Star Trek Show going. I think the franchise needs a nice five year or more hiatus,but the above position is a little more defensable then trying to revive a show is a proven failure in the ratings, even among the Hardcore fans.
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post #43 of 56
2/25/05 at 5:19pm
Star Trek is kinda like the pope, everyone knows it's dying and that it would be better to just step back and let it happen, but some people just won't give up.

They need to just drop it. Let the franchise rest for 5 to 10 years and then bring in someone with a fresh perspective. Last time that happened, we got The Next Generation (which virtually all ST fans love). They just need to let Star Trek take a damn nap already.
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post #44 of 56
3/1/05 at 9:52pm
Looks there's 3 mill in the kitty.....
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post #45 of 56
3/2/05 at 11:49am
Fucking imbeciles. Raising all that money to save a goddamned TV SHOW.
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post #46 of 56
3/2/05 at 12:07pm
Someone needs to steal that cash and give it to Arrested Development.
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post #47 of 56
3/2/05 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Semblance
All of the Star Trek shows are better than 95% of the crap than is on the US airwaves now.
not only US airwaves. i've never followed any of the ST series, but given the choice between watching "enterprise" or a random reality show... i don't hesitate more than half a second and put the friggin' rubber ears on.
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post #48 of 56
3/2/05 at 10:30pm
"but given the choice between watching "enterprise" or a random reality show..."
I would rather read a book then watch either.
Sorry, but just because some shows are even worse is not a good defense of "Enterprise".,
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post #49 of 56
3/3/05 at 3:08am
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Originally Posted by Idiot who donated million(s)
we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks.
I got a good chuckle out of how they say they're good at watching Sci-Fi T.V.

But really, 32 million to save a show.......a Trek show? Only the wide eyed glare of donald Sutherland can get my feelings across



FOOLS!
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post #50 of 56
3/3/05 at 5:02am
Ehh, I'm getting so tired of that pictures.
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