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post #1 of 93
2/21/05 at 11:45pm
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I just watched both seasons and I gotta tell ya, I haven't enjoyed Star Wars this much since the 1980s. I mean it's pretty fucking sad really, the prequels being completely outdone by a cartoon. What the hell is this all about?

Forgive me if this has been discussed, but I never got a chance to view the cartoons and they just took my breath away.
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post #2 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:13am
Has the second season already aired?
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post #3 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:26am
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I got two cds from a friend, and I assumed it was the 1st and 2nd season.
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post #4 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by eatatjoes
Has the second season already aired?
Yes, indeed it has. And I enjoyed the second season even more than the first. I agree completely with Colt about CLONE WARS. THIS is the best STAR WARS has been since 1983. A shame that this major conflict had to be dealt with in tiny cartoonettes and not full-blown live action features, as they should have been.

Looking forward to Season 3...
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post #5 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:55am
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I just love how cool they are without TRYING to be cool. Effortless. I haven't been this captivated by anything Star Wars since watching Empire on VHS at my friend's house back in 85 or 86 as a little boy.


Fucking incredible work by those guys whoever they are. Why isn't Lucas taking notes? I understand small cartoon segments and feature films are different, but storytelling is storytelling, no matter what the medium and I think it's possible to get what's in the cartoons on film (or video or whatever). Fucking shame.
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post #6 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:58am
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I almost wish the creators of this would do the post prequel TV series. I was against animation for the TV series at first, but my mind has completely changed after seeing these things. They have that perfect balance between fantastical and serious, without going overboard. I think animation would suit the series. Maybe they can do both live action and animated. I just get a bad feeling about any live action Star Wars spinoffs... all I can see is Babylon 5/Farscape shittiness.
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post #7 of 93
2/22/05 at 1:22am
I gotta see these. Wish they'd play them in my sector. The dvds worth a look you reckon? I've been wishing for a good SW cartoon for a LONG time.
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post #8 of 93
2/22/05 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by Colt45
I almost wish the creators of this would do the post prequel TV series. I was against animation for the TV series at first, but my mind has completely changed after seeing these things. They have that perfect balance between fantastical and serious, without going overboard. I think animation would suit the series.
At least one of their animators have gone on record saying he wants to do a Han & Chewie pre-ANH series. Hope he´ll gets his wish.

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Maybe they can do both live action and animated. I just get a bad feeling about any live action Star Wars spinoffs... all I can see is Babylon 5/Farscape shittiness.
Rumor has it Lucasfilm is pursuing both a live-action and an animated series. There might be some DVD stories as well. And ILM will be all over this, I´m sure.

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Fucking incredible work by those guys whoever they are. Why isn't Lucas taking notes? I understand small cartoon segments and feature films are different, but storytelling is storytelling, no matter what the medium and I think it's possible to get what's in the cartoons on film (or video or whatever). Fucking shame.
He might have changed his mind from the initial "small, less action" concept of Ep. III, since we´re getting at least three battles and dozens of CW battlegrounds in this film.

And Lucas was actually the guy who convinced Tartakovsky (the CW director) to do Season 3. Initially, he didn´t want to, as the first two had been such hard work and time-consuming. Didn´t want to risk a dud after two good runs. But Lucas had a meeting with him where he asked them to do the events described in the opening crawl, so now we got season 3 leading up directly to the opening battle in ROTS.
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post #9 of 93
2/22/05 at 11:41am
OK, I may be a little confused here. Was season 1 the 20 episodes that were about 2 1/2 minutes each, or was that both seasons 1 and 2?
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post #10 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by eatatjoes
OK, I may be a little confused here. Was season 1 the 20 episodes that were about 2 1/2 minutes each, or was that both seasons 1 and 2?
That was technically seasons 1 and 2, with 1-10 being the first season, and 11-20 being the second.
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post #11 of 93
2/22/05 at 12:15pm
Thanks for the clarification. I know I heard talk of a new season with somewhat longer episodes. I suppose this is the third season Lucas convinced Tartakovsky to do. Now if only he could get him to do a Jar-Jar backstory series...
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post #12 of 93
2/22/05 at 2:48pm
I can't see there being a live action star wars tv series, but i can defently see George letting the creators of the clone wars to go on and make more stories in the SW universe. That would work much better then live action i think.
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post #13 of 93
2/22/05 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by poopoodle
So does the CLONE WARS VOL 1 dvd contain seasons 1 and 2?

And Vol 2 will be season 3?
Yes.
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post #14 of 93
2/22/05 at 4:30pm
"I can't see there being a live action star wars tv series,"
All the indications are there will be one, and the betting is it will be set Post ROTJ.
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post #15 of 93
2/22/05 at 5:34pm
Meh. It's all style over substance. If you wanted the prequels to be 100% action, then yeah, you'd probably enjoy the Clone Wars shorts more. Personally, I think they were okay. I made it through about half of them.
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post #16 of 93
2/22/05 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by poopoodle
Thanks.
Will Vol 3 dvd come out before Episode 3?
No volume III which will form the backstory to the opening crawl will be playing on Cartoon Network / Toonami from March 21st so theres no chance of it being out before Episode III on DVD

Also the volume III will have longer episodes, I was lucky to catch the first one at work the other week and the quality is still pretty damn good.... if Grevious is half as good in the film as in this episode then I might have to recind my prior statement in the EPIII spoiler thread about him being a Darth Maul "wasted villain" for the new movie
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post #17 of 93
2/22/05 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape
It's all style over substance.
Well it's working because everyone I talk to about them say they are more enjoyable than the prequels. That says alot.
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post #18 of 93
2/22/05 at 6:17pm
Well if you watch the 20 in one hit there is a story of sorts, with Anakin being drawn away from the war to fight Asajj Ventress, a sith apprentice recruited by Dooku just for that purpose under Sideous' instruction...

And it could be said that the final outcome of that fight is another step towards the dark side for anakin.

The of the other 15 episodes 7 or 8 cover a campaign to take the banking clan homeworld on munalisst while the others are simply filler showing Jedi just doing their thing...

In the end it is a war so really fighting is all that there really is... but Series III has a bit more story than just flat out jedi smackdown.
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post #19 of 93
2/22/05 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by poopoodle

I can't remember which episode it was but I felt that Anakin in the CLONE WARS showed more emotion when his droid was destroyed than at any point in AOTC. Or at least I was affected more by it.

But, that's just me.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. And the episode where Padme goes looking for Yoda on the snow planet. It was very effective and I was actually CONCERNED for their safety. That hasn't happened at any point in the prequels.

In a way it's more difficult to get those results in live action because you're goverened by certain rules (reality). In a cartoon you can exaggerate things without being criticized for it and get more a reaction because of that. But it's very difficult for an adult (like me) to take a cartoon seriously and I took it VERY seriously. I haven't taken cartoons seriously since the early to mid 90s. I haven't taken anything Star Wars seriously since the mid 80s.
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post #20 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:25pm
Ironic how?

Look, the sooner you realize that some of us GENUINELY FUCKING DON'T LIKE THESE MOVIES the better. I understand they're George's vision, I just don't think they're a good vision.

The first episode of CLONE WARS perfectly illustrates the difference between them. The final scene between Padme and Anakin lasts maybe three seconds, yet is incredibly poignant. The prequels have lasted four and a half hours and have barely got an equivalent moment in them.
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post #21 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Rottenjesus
I find it ironic that the same kind of thing that Lucas is lambasted for in the movies, is praised in a cartoon. I can't help but be amused and saddened by that.

There's plenty of emotion in the prequels but I think people's general these aren't my version of the prequels mentality is getting pretty ridicilous. It's a great cartoon, but please, it's not better the movies themselves.

Lose the baggage, people.


rJ
It's like one of those plastic hamburger replicas. Looks real enough, but there's nothing to eat but plastic. The prequels are TRYING to give off emotion, but it's superficial, it's phony and everyone can see through it. Lucas just doesn't seem to understand compelling drama. The prequels are SCREAMING for it, but he's not able to give it. The fall of Anakin/clone wars/brith of the Empire are about as dramatic as you can get, but there's nothing there to bite into. It's all surface.

That's the difference.

I'm not trying to knock Lucas; I've enough respect for him. But sometimes people gotta realize they suck.
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post #22 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by Rottenjesus

Lose the baggage, people.
Why don't you lose the baggage? You're the one so in love with Star Wars that you'll defend it against any negative post. I can take or leave the prequels but you're starting to make me hate them.
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post #23 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:51pm
You can tell a story through action, and the actions of the characters.

Or you can just vocalize everything so no thought is necessary...

Count Dooku: It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.

Obi-Wan: We'll take him together. You go in slowly on the left...
Anakin: No, I'm taking him NOW.

Anakin: I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
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post #24 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by Charles B
Ironic how?

Look, the sooner you realize that some of us GENUINELY FUCKING DON'T LIKE THESE MOVIES the better. I understand they're George's vision, I just don't think they're a good vision.
That's funny, since Clone Wars is basically somebody playing war in George's vision. It's the exact same fucking thing, without plot. Random battle here, random battle there... generic Dark Jedi here... ooh, another fight there... Plot? Who needs plot? Another lightsaber fight here...

Clone Wars is fluff, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Charles B
The first episode of CLONE WARS perfectly illustrates the difference between them. The final scene between Padme and Anakin lasts maybe three seconds, yet is incredibly poignant. The prequels have lasted four and a half hours and have barely got an equivalent moment in them.
Oh please. That moment was moving because of the music, and the effect came off a hundred times better during the final seconds of Attack of the Clones.

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Why don't you lose the baggage? You're the one so in love with Star Wars that you'll defend it against any negative post. I can take or leave the prequels but you're starting to make me hate them.
If you're that superficial, do you only like what people tell you to like?
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post #25 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by Eid Nilbog
Count Dooku: It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.
Awesome. Dooku had the best lines in the movie.
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post #26 of 93
2/22/05 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape
That's funny, since Clone Wars is basically somebody playing war in George's vision. It's the exact same fucking thing, without plot. Random battle here, random battle there... generic Dark Jedi here... ooh, another fight there... Plot? Who needs plot? Another lightsaber fight here...

Clone Wars if fluff, plain and simple.
Uh... no. Watch it again. There's no opinion involved here, there is a plot. Either pay attention, or admit you're a moron and you can't understand simple story threads.

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Oh please. That moment was moving because of the music, and the effect came off a hundred times better during the final seconds of Attack of the Clones.
No. It didn't. Why? Because Cartoon Hayden and Natalie actually have chemistry. The music was moving, but so was the imagery. The look on their faces, the animation.
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post #27 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Rottenjesus
I understand they're George's vision, I just don't think they're a good vision.

This what I meant by baggage. The movies aren't unfolding the way you want them so they're "emotionless wastes of celluloid". I find the statement that the Clone Wars cartoon "Is the only SW I've cared about since the 1980s" so absurd it's laughable.
It's not baggage. It's knowing how to tell a well-told story and a badly told-story. There's no fucking baggage. I'm a filmmaker and a film writer, and I KNOW how to tell a story. George does too, which is why it's so fucking frustrating that the prequels are bad movies.

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So you (and a few others here) don't like the prequels, that's fine. But why continue to post in the Episode III thread then? You've obviously been bitten twice, why go back and see the last one?
Because finally GL looks to be taking criticism constructively, and also he's finally delivering on the stuff we want to see (i.e. not meeting after meeting after meeting),

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It's obvious that you don't like the direction. So stay home and watch your CLONE WARS dvd on May 19th. Oh yeah, you won't because you'll be in line to see THE DUEL. Lots of darkness and action, just what you wanted in the first place.
Of course it's obvious, because they're badly directed. I'm not going to see the duel, I'm going to see if George can redeem himself. Darkness and action I don't give a fuck about... I just want a well-told story.

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Irony and hypocrisy run rampant in the SW threads these days.
Dictionary.com. Use it.
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post #28 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape

If you're that superficial, do you only like what people tell you to like?
Oh no, he's on to me!
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post #29 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:11pm
Nice personal attack. Go fucking troll somewhere else, you cunt. I'm through with your bullshit.
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post #30 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:28pm
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I'm not going to start retorting other people's opinions; we'll be here all year doing that.

I can tell you that as a filmmaker I feel a connection to Lucas and the movies most don't, since my very first memories as a HUMAN BEING had something Star Wars in them.

First memory seeing a movie in a movie theater:

ROTJ

First memorty of getting a flu shot:

I was scared and screaming out for R2D2 to help me

First memory of having a toy:

I remember that loud power-drill sound of Han Solo's blaster toy and seeing Luke's green ROTJ lightsaber ar K-MART abd begging my dad to get it for me (he did)

The point is, I love Star Wars and over the years have seen good and bad movies. I've developed into a filmmaker who has some idea of basic storytelling and affecting an audience through character, action, plot, music, etc...

I know that the prequels are far from good movies on a dramatic level. They are awesome spectacles and can be enjoyed the same way you enjoy something like Independence Day. But you can't call ID-4 a good movie without some kind of disclaimer ("It's a popcorn movie... it's so bad that it's good... you have to turn your brain off", etc). The prequels are riding the coattails of the OT. No one can deny that. I have not been compelled by these movies... it's taken me many viewings of AOTC just to finish the thing in one sitting. And I was only able to do that by deep meditation and breathing exercises (I'm not kidding, wanted to try and regress back into childhood)... it seemed to work.

But there's no way you can tell me that The Clone Wars cartoons don't have a plot, that's the most ignorant, idiotic statement I've heard in while and I CANNOT argue with someone that dumb. Story is plot. Plot is action. Action is character. Character is emotion. It has to start with some kind of emotion and the audience has to feel that emotion or they can't get involved in the story unless they use a disclaimer. I got that emotion while watching the cartoons. I had to be GIVEN the videos to watch them; I was avoiding them because I thought they'd be just as a bad as the prequels and I generally don't watch animation anymore. I was wrong. I was riveted. Excited. I didn't want them to end. Kenobi was awesome (even more so than Ewan; who is great). Anakin was the badass jedi/star pilot we heard about in the OT. Padme had more life to her than cardboard Portman could ever convey. R2 and 3PO were fuckin' hilarious. Yoda was the pimp. And so on and so forth.

Although there is a certain ammount of exaggeration in the style and action, it works because of the nature of that universe. It's a cartoon. But it works. The prequels don't work. Period.

Now I will see Ep.3 because I love Star Wars and want to support Lucas. I want to see it finished, if nothing but for the excitement of seeing Vader on the big screen again in new surroundings. I don't care about Padme or Anakin at this point. They have not been established as compelling characters, just devices that move the story along. They are supposed to be the meat of these movies and they are the weakest elements. That's the problem.

At any rate, I'm done. Prequel bashing is getting old, but it's Star Wars and no one can deny the significance of that.
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post #31 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by Charles B
It's not baggage. It's knowing how to tell a well-told story and a badly told-story. There's no fucking baggage. I'm a filmmaker and a film writer, and I KNOW how to tell a story. George does too, which is why it's so fucking frustrating that the prequels are bad movies.
Fair enough. What story is Genndy telling?
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post #32 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:40pm
Well said Colt45.

Now I just looked up the Clone Wars dvd thats coming out and its 69 minutes ( I think). Is that everything? I really want to see these and I doubt they're gonna be playing down here anytime soon. So I've got ANOTHER Star Wars thing to buy! And I'm still saving up for KOTOR 2. Being a student sucks sometimes...
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post #33 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:43pm
I liked season one of Clone Wars much more then season two.

I do think it's worth pointing out that much of the cartoon is lifted from the films, from sound effects and whole shots to sequences. I think they're both really neat, but they are pretty damn different in terms of function. Basically the cartoon is just taking the fun stuff from the films and making shorts with it. It’s very concentrated.

Can you imagine if the films were as deep as the cartoons, it would be an ADD sufferers dream!
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post #34 of 93
2/22/05 at 10:52pm
Are these things still available online anywhere?
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post #35 of 93
2/22/05 at 11:10pm
The Clone Wars cartoons are pretty enjoyable, but they aren't great. They're not even as good as Tartakovsky's other cartoons, Samurai Jack and Dexter's Laboratory (which I happen to love). Basically, they take the idea of Star Wars and "modernize" it stylistically. They're more hip, more fast-paced, more "bang-for-your-buck." The Star Wars movies, and especially the prequels, have been made to mimic the classical style of the golden age of movies. The dialogue, the characters, the action, the cinematography, the editing--it all feels like a film right out of the forties or fifties, whereas the Clone Wars cartoons feel like they were made in 2003 and 4...which they were. That's why I think a lot of people are going overboard and essentially calling these cartoons "the best thing since cocaine!" Which, visually, they probably are.

That said, I think the Clone Wars cartoons are probably on-par with the prequels in terms of enjoyment.
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post #36 of 93
2/22/05 at 11:11pm
I'm curious if the new longer versions will work as well, at least among the internet cats. The original ones don't really get much of a chance to offend anyone, they are too short. These new one's are what, 15 minutes long?

It's not a prediction, but I wonder.
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post #37 of 93
2/23/05 at 12:02am
Guys,

He aint lying. He really will laugh too. Like a pirate, I'm sure.
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post #38 of 93
2/23/05 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape
Fair enough. What story is Genndy telling?

the Capture of the banking Clan and Sideous TRYING to recruit Anakin through Asajj Ventress
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post #39 of 93
2/23/05 at 1:09am
Sidious spoke to Asajj during the series? God, I really *do* have to pick up this Clone Wars DVD...
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post #40 of 93
2/23/05 at 3:07am

Visual Storytelling

What I love about Clone Wars is that, unlike the prequels thus far, it actually IS visual storytelling. As I've said before George has talked about his skills as a director in terms of being a visual storyteller. I don't believe that he has pulled that off successfully but in Clones Wars it's worked so well. There is so little dialogue and so much story and plot in the actions and silence. The genius of The Empire Strikes Back was that Lucas gave the reigns to some one else and they produced a great film based off of George's ideas and stories. The folks behind Clone Wars are a testament to what good ideas can become in capable hands. I've found myself glued to my seat these past 24 hours as I've watched the entire 2 seasons from beginning to end.

J.M. Prater
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post #41 of 93
2/23/05 at 3:29am
Goddamn this thread is like getting your teeth filled with no fucking anesthetic.

There are points on both sides but both sides are being so dickheaded that I'd rather just hit both sides very hard with something very blunt than have to read how we're all retarded fucking idiots who dont' know shit.

Now--I disagree with Colt (there's a shock, huh Colt ) that these cartoons are better than the prequels, but I would also disagree with Dark Shape in that they're PLOTLESS. The plotting might not be as deep or as weighty as what George is going for, but there IS a plot. Granted, it's not the fall of an entire galactic governmental system, but there IS your basic chase/mission plot going on through the episodes. Some of the little 2 minute shots take their own tangent, but when seen as a whole, 60 minute cartoon, those tangents make a bit more sense.

That said, THERE IS a plot, but it's sorta thin, and the execution of it isn't always that great. Too often it didn't feel like Star Wars, it felt like Samurai Jack dressed up in Star Wars clothes. That doesn't make it shit--I like Samurai Jack. I just thought the tone, the pacing and the animation didn't quite fit with the Star Wars universe very well. I heard a lot of raves over the Mace Windu episode, and the final Anakin battle with Asajj..but both of those felt more rote and contrived to me than the others, actually. There were some GREAT images, no doubt, but I couldn't shake the idea that the creators were actively pandering with those episodes. Still entertaining, yes, but it just felt off.

And I'm not going to try and analyze WHY people liked it more than I did, because there's no fucking point to that, and it'll simply lead back to more "OMG you're a fucktard go fuck yourself and eat shit" ranting, more smarmy smirking from rottenjesus, and whaddya know, suddenly we're like every other fucking star wars thread in existence.

I like the Clone Wars cartoons, and I'll probably buy em up on DVD, but I seriously doubt i'll be watching them more than the actual prequel movies. As flawed as they are, I get more of a Star Wars feel from them than I do the cartoons, which feels more to me like a Star Wars video game I'm watching someone else play.
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post #42 of 93
3/4/05 at 3:14am
I was hesistant about the animation stlye at first. I don't like Samurai Jack. From the few episodes I've seen on Jack, the action seemed over-the-top. I also feared that the character interpretations with the harsh lines and blocky fingers would somehow be a distraction, glad I was wrong.

I am digging these toons alot. They add to the movies and compliment each other nicely.

My only quibble, I don't recall any great music. Great as in memorable. Maybe season 3 with remedy that.
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post #43 of 93
3/4/05 at 2:25pm
Nothing in the CLONE WARS series (so far) has made me feel embarrassed to be a STAR WARS fan. Regrettably, I can't say the same about the Prequels.

As for plot complexities, or lack thereof, I find CLONE WARS to be more like a series of tone poems, with strong influences rooted in the quiet power of Kurosawa. I find the plotting of the Prequels to be as needlessly frustrating and unenjoyable as a tax audit. They're not "deep" or "weighty." Those would be POSITIVE attributes. The Prequel plots have been muddled, sketchy, uninspired and, frankly, lazy -- often relying upon comics, games, novels, toys and our own Mecha Superior to flesh out the details or to invent solutions to story and character problems on-screen. At least the stories of the CLONE WARS cartoons, as brief and "thin" as they are, make sense and are true to the original spirit of STAR WARS.
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post #44 of 93
3/4/05 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by General Zod
My only quibble, I don't recall any great music. Great as in memorable. Maybe season 3 with remedy that.
Watch Chapter 20 again. Grievous' theme is terrific.

I also dig the theme that the ARC Troopers have.
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post #45 of 93
3/4/05 at 4:07pm
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Nothing in the CLONE WARS series (so far) has made me feel embarrassed to be a STAR WARS fan.
I'm not trying to be divisive or exclusionary, but if something *I* like doing embarrasses the hell out of me, I cease doing it. Because being embarrassed isn't fun or enjoyable.
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post #46 of 93
3/4/05 at 4:55pm
If I heard tommorow that these guys get to direct Episodes 7, 8, and 9 I would be pleased. At least they portray seasoned Jedi as almost godlike. They actually have them use their force powers.

Something I was looking forward to in the prequals but I was SEVERELY let down by Lucas. My friend and I agree that when a Jedi gets killed, there should be like a rift in the world and some sort of disturbance would occur, like when Sauron "died" in FOTR. It would be that big a deal.

Well hopefully Lucas will not have any creative interest in the TV series.
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post #47 of 93
3/4/05 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by Fatboy Roberts
I'm not trying to be divisive or exclusionary, but if something *I* like doing embarrasses the hell out of me, I cease doing it.
Really? So even though I absolutely love the Original Trilogy and remain ever hopeful about EP3, I should completely abandon my interest in STAR WARS altogether because I detest the Prequels so far?
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post #48 of 93
3/4/05 at 6:42pm
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Really? So even though I absolutely love the Original Trilogy and remain ever hopeful about EP3, I should completely abandon my interest in STAR WARS altogether because I detest the Prequels so far?
Hey, that's your decision. I'm not telling you what to do, and I said I wasn't trying to be exclusionary or nothing, but seriously--if you're embarrassed by it, why are you spending time on it? That's simply the question I ask. Why spend time on something that you consider embarrassing and humiliating? if it's personally embarrassing you, what's your stake in staying chained to it? What are you getting out of it, especially over something as trivial as a series of movies?

These are just questions I'm throwing out. It's not a challenge or nothing, I just want to see what the answers are, especially if this thing is causing you emotional injury like embarrassment. I mean--what's so outlandish about the possibility of you abandoning your interest? Why is that a ridiculous question?
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post #49 of 93
3/4/05 at 8:15pm
If I heard tommorow that these guys get to direct Episodes 7, 8, and 9 I would be pleased. At least they portray seasoned Jedi as almost godlike. They actually have them use their force powers.

Something I was looking forward to in the prequals but I was SEVERELY let down by Lucas. My friend and I agree that when a Jedi gets killed, there should be like a rift in the world and some sort of disturbance would occur, like when Sauron "died" in FOTR. It would be that big a deal.

hahahaha...ohh, I'm sorry, that's just funny.
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post #50 of 93
3/4/05 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes
Something I was looking forward to in the prequals but I was SEVERELY let down by Lucas. My friend and I agree that when a Jedi gets killed, there should be like a rift in the world and some sort of disturbance would occur, like when Sauron "died" in FOTR. It would be that big a deal.
That's such a stupid idea, not to mention impractical. So in the Clone Wars as Jedi are dying left and right you get these little nuclear explosions all over the place? Please ...
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