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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
What I've heard from various sources is that JMS and WB couldn't agree on several (and by several, I mean MANY) aspects of the film, including casting, and the project has basically entered "development hell."

And good riddance.

The problem here, folks, was not truly, fully with WB. It was with the people WB allowed to try to pretend to be producers for a third-party company. Alain Gottesman is no producer. He's tried and failed to get one other movie made. He is nothing less than a puling idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. It was Gottesman and Rosen (who is also not a producer, and has never produced a film before) who wanted *stars* to replace the cast, not WB.

Where WB dropped the ball, was when they didn't feel that B5 was a big enough draw (since it was based on a TV series) to make themselves, so they handed it off to a third party, with the agreement to distribute the film. That third party was Gottesman and Rosen, who, as stated above, are vapor-brained mouth-breathers.

We've got the series DVDs, we've got the canon novels, with more now in the pipeline. I'd rather a Babylon 5 movie done right, rather than one done next Tuesday.

Joe's own word:

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From: jmsatb5@aol.com
Subject: from jms re: tmos
To: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Date: 2/25/05 5:52 PM


I'm putting this here because the new message threader I sent eaerlier is taking a while to move through the system. So this info will repeat soonish on another subject.

jms

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The rule of thumb in Hollywood is that for every thousand scripts that get written, only a few dozen get into development, and out of those, only one will ever get made...if that.

A little over a year ago, I was approached by a company that wanted to make a Babylon 5 movie. They optioned the rights, and commissioned a script. (It's worth mentioning that I, not WB, own the rights to a B5 movie. When we were negotiating the original B5 deal -- by whose terms I will never see a dime in profit -- the one thing they did let me have were the movie rights, figuring they'd never be worth anything in the long run.)

Anyway...on December 27th of 2003, the script for "The Memory of Shadows" was turned in, and the process began of trying to make the deal work with all the various forces involved. It is, to say the least, a very difficult process on any movie where the studio does not directly take the financial reins. In terms of B5, Warner's position was esssentially, "We only do big-budget movies with big names, so you're on your own." If there were big-name movie actors in the film, they'd get behind it; without that, things become very problematic, especially as far as the financing was concerned. You much have to put together a consortium of international interests and business plans rivaled in complexity only by the Allied invasion of Normandy Beach.

Nonetheless, every attempt was made by the people involved to get this deal in place. This was not being done by Doug or myself, but rather by the company/individuals who approached us and optioned the rights. At times, it seemed we were inches away from a deal...stages were reserved at Elstree, actors were contacted, a director was in place, the script went through many revisions, a few key staff were hired, again not by me...it was really a year-long roller coaster ride.

During that time, the people involved, with every good intention, tried very hard to pull the necessary pieces together on the deal. The option expired in late December 2004, but I renewed it without cost, to give those involved more time to try and make things work.

In the end, however, the deal could not be put together, and it did not look as if that was going to change at any point in the foreseeable future. So the option has reverted, and to all intents and purposes, the project has dead ended. Nor do I think this particular incarnation will arise again at any point in the future, though prognostication has always been a tricky art, especially if you have to do it without the benefit of hindsight.

This was not the first time someone's taken a run at a B5 feature film, and it will not be the last. Eventually it will happen, because such things are simply inevitable. If they can do a Brady Bunch movie, you can be sure that sooner or later, somebody's going to do a B5 movie.

The only thing I can say without equivocation is that when that day comes, as the rights-holder, I will make darned sure that it's done right, because I'd rather have no B5 movie than one that doesn't live up to what fans and I myself would want to see.

To that end...I can wait.

Anyway, just thought you should know the story.

jms

(jmsatb5@aol.com)
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post #2 of 8
I'm glad it's dead to be honest. I love B5. It's my favourite sci-fi TV show, and in my top 3 shows of all time. (The other two are Twin Peaks and Band of Brothers), but I lost interest when Richard Biggs died. There couldn't really be a B5 movie without Dr. Franklin IMO.

As you rightly say, we have enough B5 to be more than happy.
post #3 of 8
I think after what happened with the last two Star Trek films,the studios are going to wait and see what happens with "Firefly" before green lighting any film that is a followup to a cult TV Show.
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
...And, as expected, "Hercules the Strong" is DANCING on the film's grave over at AICN.

Someone who -- months ago -- couldn't get arsed to even briefly cover the situation, and who only seems to come out whenever there's negative B5 nabobbery to spew.

Shocking.
post #5 of 8
Not surprising. A movie with such a tiny (and continously dwindling) fanbase would never make a profit.
post #6 of 8
I sure am going to miss the chance of seeing the further adventures of Garibaldi and the wonderful screenplay prose of JMS up on the big screen.
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Hardly a "dwindling fanbase."

If that were the case, why then did the DVDs turn a *profit* of HALF A BILLION dollars this past year alone? Even after all of the production, advertising, and overhead costs are factored into the equation? Babylon 5 is now officially one of the top-grossing titles in Warner Brothers studio history, collectively outpulling as a series a good chunk of their feature film catalog. Translate those DVD sales into likely ticket-buyers -- even a percentage of those sales -- and you're looking at a succulent domestic box-office take, more than enough to return the costs of a mid-range budget.

But unlike other studios, including Paramount, the feature film division of Warner plays the ignorance card on such matters, their arm ostensibly being in competition with the television and home video arms of the company. Even these gargantuan numbers won't change their minds about bringing a "non-prestige" TV project to the screen.

Neither Warner Bros. Pictures nor the "producers" they brought onboard truly understood what made Babylon 5 tick in the way that WB Television and folks like Greg Maday did. It's a scenario far more endemic to Warner Brothers than most of the other major studios. One side had long understood Joe's philosophies and that of the show, whereas the other side has long insulated itself *away* from the TeeVee world...and is proud of it.

Hence the various "decisions" leading up to the film's pre-production downfall.

As for why they'd do something that dumb -- studios do dumb things all the time, for one. For another, the movie 'biz is a very uncertain one, and people try to do what they can to hedge their bets. It isn't a matter of them wanting Julia Roberts for Delenn, just somebody who has some kind of track record in American feature film, somebody with some sort of following.

Also, there's the "Movies vs. TV" mentality, which is even stronger at Warner Bros. than at most studios. The biggest hurdle in getting B5 released on home video was the contempt WB has for TV. Not only didn't the people at Warner Home Video think there was a market for TV shows on home video, they didn't want to waste their time, talent, and money putting out TV shows even if there were some kind of small market, because they saw themselves as an arm of the movie studio, doing big important work, not that TV crap.

There is still that kind of caste system in Hollywood, and the "Movies vs. TV" snobbery still exists, for all that the studios all would have gone bankrupt years ago if not for their TV divisions, and despite all the stars who started in TV and ended up in films.

Some folks at WB probably just don't think a Bruce Boxleitner can "carry" a movie, and maybe they're right. What they don't realize is that he doesn't have to -- the story is what has to carry the movie, and it will. Eventually.
post #8 of 8
"And, as expected, "Hercules the Strong" is DANCING on the film's grave over at AICN. "

Herc blew his credibility las any kind of commentator on television or movies last October, when, after "Desperate Housewives" had been the #1 rated show three weeks in a row on American Broadcast Television, he stated it would "Be gone by Thanksgiving".

Not to like a popular show is one thing,--there have been some very highly rated shows I could not stand...but to make dumbass predicitions like that fly in the face of reality is another.
And I like Joss Whedon, but Herc needs surgery to have his nose removed from Whedon's ass.
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