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The Nintendo DS: Shooting itself in the ass since 2004

post #1 of 52
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Nintendo's about to showdown against the biggest threat to their stranglehold on the handheld market ever in less than a month....and they're going to combat it....with puppies.

Sigh.

From Gamespot:

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Nintendo pres talks up casual games on the DS

TOKYO--Nintendo has plenty of ideas in store for its dual-screen handheld. Company president Satoru Iwata recently shared some of those in a comment on Earthbound creator Shigesato Itoi's Web site, Hobo Mainichi Itoi Shinbun.

"In a time when people are saying to themselves, 'We aren't playing [many] video games, compared to the old days,' I'm always thinking and working on ways to increase the population of gamers. And that's also the reason behind the development of the DS," Iwata wrote. "In order to get those [nongamers] to play games, we need to make video games that...relate to those people. If we only keep making games that fit in existing categories, like action games, racing games, role-playing games, sports games, adventure games, strategy games, and puzzle games, people won't turn around to look, because they already feel that those kinds of games have nothing to do with them.

"For that reason, we need to come up with new ideas that will expand the definition of video games. Our [game] Puppy Times, which is slated for release in April, is one example of a product that will expand the definition of games. It's meant to be enjoyed by all people who love dogs, unlike traditional dog-breeding simulation games.

"After the launch of Puppy Times, we have plans for other games that will also expand the definition of video games. Ideas that we have [for the DS] include a game that employs an electronic dictionary, a game that enhances brain activities, and a game that's played by[listening to] sound and touching light."

Iwata also talked a bit about the DS music game Daigasso! Band Brothers (Jam with the Band). The game was originally slated for release on the Game Boy Advance more than three years ago under the title Game Boy Music. It was canceled because it required multiple cartridges to perform in-game concerts with other GBA players. Iwata resurrected the game for the DS because it seemed perfect for the hardware, which includes game-sharing capabilities. As long as one person owns a copy of the game, DS players can perform concerts together. As with Puppy Times, Iwata sees Band Brothers as a title that expands the definition of video games, because the DS transforms into a musical instrument in players' hands.

"We hope that these games will let a wide range of people enjoy the DS, regardless of age, gender, and whether or not they have had gaming experience," Iwata said.
OK, I'm gonna rant here.....I've kept quiet on this way too long....

Point #1: In a time when more people are buying copies of Halo than are going to movies, I fail to see where the lack of a gamer population is happening.

Point #2: I also don't mind Nintendo making games that cater to a casual or younger crowd, as long as the rest of the gaming population is also being catered to as well. Out of the hundred or so games confirmed in development for the DS, maybe 12 of them don't sound esoteric as fuck. That's a way smaller fraction than the GameCube, where there are at least high quality ports and exclusives (especially this year) to fill the void. According to the release schedule, you've got a Rayman DS coming next week (which is good...that series is underrated), a giant fucking wasteland until June (new Bomberman), and another gap until August (Metroid Prime FINALLY, and Castlevania). During which time, the PSP will have 30 games on the market, most of which EVERYBODy will actually want to play.

Point #3: This casual crowd of which this guy speaks....putting aside the fact that these casual gamers could just as easily buy a $100 GameCube and have their share of any of the great games on that system for much cheaper, is this crowd REALLY willing to throw down $150 for a game system and games they're more than likely to play on their cellphone?

Point #4: A game which involves listening to sound and touching light.....this just gave me a brilliant idea....you want a game that could A: be attractive to gamers of all ages, B: be attractive enough to rake in the nongamers, and C: take interesting advantage of that damn touchscreen? Here's an idea: PORT REZ. And market it properly this time. That game is one of the lost works of art on PS2, and there are so many ways to fool with that concept and gameplay, I'm shocked no one thought of it yet.

Bottom line is, I'm a Nintendo fan, so I'm used to the hardcore, hell even the REGULAR gamer getting the short end of the stick. But the DS is another Virtual Boy in the making, judging from how many times at work where I've had no answer for some kid or some parent wondering where the DS games are, and having to point them towards a wall with nothing but Zoo Keeper and Tiger Woods Golf.
post #2 of 52
Yeah, the DS was, is and will remain a worhtless chunk of plastic for the forseeable future. Sad.

For the last few years, Nintendo's fatal flaw is that they've been trying to replace the mass exodus of hardcore gamers that they've lost to the PS2 and Xbox with casual gamers or nongamers. And as a business strategy, that's fucking suicidal. You'd never see Folger's say, "From now on, we're going to stop making products for regular coffee drinkers and focus more on marketing to the people who hate coffee." That's insane.

And to make matters worse, as soon as they get those two systems set up in side-by-side display kiosks at your local Wal-Mart and Electronics Boutique, it's not going to matter how many cute puppies are boinging around on Nintendo's handheld--they can't compete with the PSP's visual bang.
post #3 of 52
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'We aren't playing [many] video games, compared to the old days,'
This confirms my suspicions that Nintendo is happily oblivious to the fact that there are other hardware manufaturers out there. Those guys get a report that shows their consoles don't sell and come to the conclusion that the industry as a whole is suffering.

And a game that features responding to lights by touching them? There are already games like those out. They are marketed towards the 1-2 y.o. crowd.
post #4 of 52
I've got a DS and I'm happy with it, but there are only a few particular games I'm waiting for, and I will wait. In the meantime I use my DS mostly for playing GBA games. There really should have been more stuff available by now. It's actually pretty sad. I wish Nintendo only the best, but they're making some wacky decisions and approaching the situation from a wonky perspective. There's not too much on the DS front that looks to be worth checking out. Nintendo will have to rethink things once the PSP is out, because while I can see that the DS and PSP may not be direct competitors, once folks like us, or even little kids get their hands on a PSP then the DS might be easily forgotten and left behind, even if quality stuff starts to trickle out...

edit: The stuff I'm waiting for:
Castlevania
Animal Crossing
Final Fantasy CC
Final Fantasy III remake
(assuming they're still working on some of these)
post #5 of 52
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
And a game that features responding to lights by touching them? There are already games like those out. They are marketed towards the 1-2 y.o. crowd.
Well said. Gimmicks may be cute, but they won't keep people coming back to play.
post #6 of 52
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From what I hear on the Japanese front, Nintendo has been getting downright slaughtered by the PSP over there. The only thing that might hinder Sony here is the price tag, but otherwise, I guarantee it's gonna be the same situation here.

For the record, Nanoblech, Animal Crossing's still being worked on, Castlevania's still coming in August, but the two Final Fantasy games are iffy. The way Nintendo's been operating, though, they'll put the focus on Crystal Chronicles first, and tell Square to hold the FF3 remake.
post #7 of 52
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Originally Posted by Crow
From what I hear on the Japanese front, Nintendo has been getting downright slaughtered by the PSP over there. The only thing that might hinder Sony here is the price tag, but otherwise, I guarantee it's gonna be the same situation here.

For the record, Nanoblech, Animal Crossing's still being worked on, Castlevania's still coming in August, but the two Final Fantasy games are iffy. The way Nintendo's been operating, though, they'll put the focus on Crystal Chronicles first, and tell Square to hold the FF3 remake.
Of all of those I'd be most interested in the Final Fantasy 3 remake and that could just as easily be a GBA game along the lines of Final Fantasy ! & II Dawn of Souls (which I'm enjoying very much). I don't see much need/use for DS specific capabilities in a FF remake...

Oh well. I'll always be a Nintendo fan and I'll always enjoy stuff that gets put out that I'm actually interested in. Like I said earlier, I wish them the best, but things might get rough for them. As far as the DS goes, there definitely needs to be more quantity AND quality.

I'm still not in a rush to get a PSP though.
post #8 of 52
"unlike traditional dog-breeding simulation games"

I was completely unaware that there were enough (or any, for that matter) dog-breeding sims on the market for them to be labeled "traditional" when a new fangled puppy game is announced.
post #9 of 52
That was my favorite line too.

And I don't understand why this is a bad idea. I think he is talking about people who played video games as kids and grew up and stopped.
post #10 of 52
well i think the ds is brilliant, now i just wanna know if they are going to bring out enough games to back it up.

the dog game looks pretty darn cool. my take on it would be like an uber-realistic tamagotchi. with awesome graphics and interactivity.
post #11 of 52
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/592/...html?fromint=1

Even worse, it looks like they may release yet another gameboy by the end of this year. Seriously, what are they thinking? If I had bought a DS, I'd be pretty pissed right now. Oh well, hopefully they will be done with hardware after this next generation so I can play Zelda on my Xbox.
post #12 of 52
you need to start thinking of Nintendo as an "indie film" sort of corporation. For some people these games are an alternative to Madden 20XX, games for people who like blood, and licensed schlock. Who cares how much market share Nintendo has (unless you're a shareholder I presume)? As long as they continue to make a profit from what they are doing, they probably won't change their strategy very much.
post #13 of 52
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Originally Posted by Straight Edge
For some people these games are an alternative to Madden 20XX, games for people who like blood, and licensed schlock.
I love Nintendo, and their first party software, but blanket statements like this are bullshit.

Oh, who am I kidding. System Warzz 4EVAR!!!!11111!!11!
post #14 of 52
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The second link in that article sheds more light on this second Game Boy business than the first, before anyone jumps to conclusions.

But the kicker is this little piece of info right here:

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So, yes, there's been talk of the next generation Game Boy, which shouldn't be surprising considering that even when the Nintendo DS was revealed, Nintendo has always stood by the statement that the DS wasn't the next Game Boy, and that work was continuing on the future of the Game Boy line.
In which case, allow me to ask one simple, common sense question.....WHY MAKE THE FUCKER? Having been around hundreds and hundreds of people this past holiday buying the DS, I can tell you, the public believes this is the new Game Boy. The fact that this is just some sort of placeholder machine until whatever this new system turns out to be is released has NOT been made clear.

Now, I'll grant you....if this new system is done well, and can hold its own against the PSP power and games-wise, I'll jump on board, and let the DS go gentle into that good night like the fucking WASTE OF TIME, MONEY, AND MATERIALS it will become.......nevertheless, I'll say this.....on the off-chance there's anyone even remotely connected to Nintendo's corporate offices reading this....I'm going to warn you of the consequences of doing this to your customers with three symbols. Namely, two numbers and a letter. And if these symbols don't put the fear of an angry God into your hearts and give you that moment of pause before you put pen to paper on this new portable, Nintendo is lost....

You ready? Here goes.....

3. 2. X.
post #15 of 52
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Originally Posted by devincf
And I don't understand why this is a bad idea. I think he is talking about people who played video games as kids and grew up and stopped.
I know TONS of people who can't get into modern games, too many buttons, too complicated, etc. I'm talking about people who were hardcore into the Atari systems of old, the NES, Super NES, etc., then slowly lost interest with the Playstation and N64. I think it's great if Nintendo is going after these people, it's jus I don't know if it's too late or not to draw them back in. I can't see that many of them buying a new system nowadays, let alone investing a lot of money in them.
post #16 of 52
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
This confirms my suspicions that Nintendo is happily oblivious to the fact that there are other hardware manufaturers out there. Those guys get a report that shows their consoles don't sell and come to the conclusion that the industry as a whole is suffering.

And a game that features responding to lights by touching them? There are already games like those out. They are marketed towards the 1-2 y.o. crowd.
Hey that harsh, I'm 31 and I still love my Simon. Thought I wouldn't pay for a DS and a game when i can buy a Simon for what 20?
post #17 of 52
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Originally Posted by DerekT
Hey that harsh, I'm 31 and I still love my Simon. Thought I wouldn't pay for a DS and a game when i can buy a Simon for what 20?
Haha. That reminds me of how, on one of the Atari systems back in the day, they released a video game version of RUBIK'S CUBE. And yes, it considerably more expensive than the more portable, more interactive, more sane, actual Rubik's Cube.

BTW, Simon does rock.
post #18 of 52
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Originally Posted by Straight Edge
you need to start thinking of Nintendo as an "indie film" sort of corporation. For some people these games are an alternative to Madden 20XX, games for people who like blood, and licensed schlock. Who cares how much market share Nintendo has (unless you're a shareholder I presume)? As long as they continue to make a profit from what they are doing, they probably won't change their strategy very much.
i think thats the perfect way to describe it. i wouldnt say anyone should consider nintendo their definitive console, you should buy a nintendo for their signature games because only they can make them that way, if you wanna play typical console games, get an xbox, but if you wanna play games that are just plain fun, get a nintendo.

and i say this as a gamecube and xbox owner, the games on my xbox are better, better developed and of higher quality, but even with the lack of real choice i had with my gamecube, the games were sooooooooooo much more fun to play. with my xbox i sit there and appreciate it, while with the gamecube i sit there and get swept up into it. there is a difference between playing some stealth, cold military game, which is remarkably well put together, and playing something colourful and fun, like zelda, f-zero or viewtiful joe.
post #19 of 52
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Originally Posted by Crow

Having been around hundreds and hundreds of people this past holiday buying the DS, I can tell you, the public believes this is the new Game Boy.
I know better, but I still refer to my DS as my Gameboy or the most part. Not always though, maybe 50/50.
I'm pretty sure for most people it's:

Nintendo...? Portable...? Uh... GAMEBOY!!!

Nintendo has a good idea in wanting to differentiate themselves form the rest of the pack, but who knows how successful the idea will be in the end. We still don't know much about the Revolution, but they talk about it wanting to actually be a "revolution" while at the same time it seems like it will still snag different cross platform games. It all sounds kind of odd, but also hopefully kind of cool.

Either way, E3 should be interesting this year.
post #20 of 52
People keep referring to the Japanese sales, without any real numbers, so here goes:

From: Feb 14 - 20, 2005
PlayStation Portable - 38,314
Nintendo DS - 22,363

Total this year
PlayStation Portable - 400,669
Nintendo DS - 328,042

A friend of mine actually picked up a PSP not so long ago, and after getting my hands on the sucker, am I the only one that finds both of these "portables" incredibly huge?
post #21 of 52
I can't wait till Microsoft buys out Nintendo's stock and then takes their first party licenses. The signs of losing their monopoly in the hand held market are over. Many japanese men at that company will suddenly wake up like Boromir's father, before lighting themselves on fire.

Maybe Microsoft can give Nintendo as a gift to Bungie if they make Halo 3 incredible x 2.
post #22 of 52
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I'm not overly crazy about Nintendo going the Sega road, but I'd be lying if I said the thought of a Metroid/Halo crossover doesn't send the blood rushing to the funny bits.
post #23 of 52
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS
I can't wait till Microsoft buys out Nintendo's stock and then takes their first party licenses. The signs of losing their monopoly in the hand held market are over. Many japanese men at that company will suddenly wake up like Boromir's father, before lighting themselves on fire.

Maybe Microsoft can give Nintendo as a gift to Bungie if they make Halo 3 incredible x 2.
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Microsoft's going to buy Nintendo! Nintendo's going to fold just like Sega did!"

Oh yeah. Nintendo still makes an extremely healthy profit every year. Stupid me.
post #24 of 52
It's utterly laughable, is what it is. Microsoft paid $300 million for Grabbed by the Ghoulies, essentially. They probably figure they've spent enough on Nintendo already.
post #25 of 52
edit due to me being wrong.

I still use my gameboy quite a lot, but nintendo is fast losing my respect with their current strategy. When a fourth gen PSP hits, I think i'll be picking one up.
post #26 of 52
You know what kind of bugs me. It seems that at least a few interesting games have been released (or will be released) over in Japan, and it seems that they may not even come over here. What a shame I say.

Like that adventure game Another Code (or whatever it's called).

Or some strange courtroom drama/investigation game that's supposely part of a pretty popular series over in Japan. And some Pics I saw even had English text. They should just put it in a box and send it over here.

Then there's that surgery themed game. It seems to be pretty creative if nothing else and it seems to try to use the DS features.

Wacky, niche games are better than no games if you ask me. Besides, with stuff like that, seemingly tailor made for the DSs features, wouldn't it be nice to get introduced to them eventually. Sooner works better than later. and they might catch on too, considering the options available have been so limited lately.
post #27 of 52
The strangest thing about Nintendo's unwillingness to release odd niche games in the US is that they're basically admitting that such a thing wouldn't sell in the states. So their next step is to create an entire system of niche gaming (assuming the Revolution is such), trying to sell the idea that there are lots of people in the US who are looking for such things.
post #28 of 52
All I know is I can't wait for Nintendo's big press conference at E3 this year. If they show even half the hubris they did last year, it'll be high comedy.
post #29 of 52
Assuming Nintendo reveals Revolution, Sony shows PlayStation 3, and Microsoft displays Xbox 2, I want each of the companies to choose between the three major slashers: Freddy, Jason, and Michael Myers. Each company picks a killer, and then all three are put in a wrestling ring, and just go all at it for kicks. Whoever wins claims console superiority.

Ah, who am I kidding? They're all gonna say "My console's better than yours!"
post #30 of 52
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
All I know is I can't wait for Nintendo's big press conference at E3 this year. If they show even half the hubris they did last year, it'll be high comedy.
They backed it up last year, though.
post #31 of 52
Then again, looking at the bottom of the sales chart brings up one other interesting tidbit:

Total this year
GameBoy Advance SP: 148,726
GameCube: 55,428
GameBoy Advance: 4,412
XBOX: 3,595

Just because the market is one way in Japan doesn't mean it will be the same here, or even close.
post #32 of 52
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In this case, I think it will be.

The DS can't even outsell the PSP in Japan, where gimmicky niche games have a much broader audience. There's your first clue it's not gonna be a pretty picture when it launches here.
post #33 of 52
I don't know about the PSP, but as for the DS not being the new gameboy? I'll tell you what's in the minds of consumers. One of my coworkers just gave his son "The new Gameboy DS for his birthday".
post #34 of 52
Is his son's birthday before March 24th?
post #35 of 52
Yeah, it was yesterday, why.
post #36 of 52
Because once the PSP hits (and especially after the initial ValuePack price point) I doubt nearly as many people will give a toss about "the new Gameboy DS".
post #37 of 52
Did you know that the Japanese Amazon.com already has a placeholder for the PS3? No details, no pics, but a "space" for it. I saw the article on HowStuffWorks.com.
post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
Because once the PSP hits (and especially after the initial ValuePack price point) I doubt nearly as many people will give a toss about "the new Gameboy DS".
I think you misunderstood me. I was saying nothing about the competition with the PSP. I was commenting on the statement that Nintendo will release the new Gameboy later this year, because the DS was never intended to be the new Gameboy. The quote was just one example of how the common man thinks, as stated above, that Nintendo+Portable=Gameboy. I think the public won't realize that they're releasing a new portable to be the sucessor to the gameboy, when as far as the public's concerned, they did that just last year. I think it'll frustrate a lot of people who don't know jack about the video game industry, they just have kids who want the latest and greatest thing around. This guy really tried hard to get a DS for his son for Christmas. Couldn't do it. He finally made his kid happy yesterday, so I bet he's going to be pissed when his kid wants the "new Gameboy" this Christmas. (Yes, I realize that this kid should be smacked and told to appreciate what he's got, but that's another story.)
post #39 of 52
Ah... Reading Comprehenion would have done me good there.
post #40 of 52
I was going to comment more on this debate, but then I realized.... who gives a shit? I personally have only owned ONE "portable" system, the Gamegear(great system, eats batteries like a beast). I thought about buying a GBA just for River City Ransom and Zelda: A Link To The Past, but I nixed that idea. Really, who, in our age bracket(I figure most of the readership is late teens to late 20's), cares about the new handhelds? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but seriously... who cares?
I understand if you travel a lot, but otherwise it's just spending more cash for a system that is inferior to the current consoles(say what you want about PSP vs. PS2) and costs more.
post #41 of 52
I don't care much about the PSP. The same fucking games we've been playing for ages. Another Ridge Racer, cool. The DS on the other hand is doing new things. There's more fun and creativity in the Mario DS minigames than in the whole PSP line-up so far. It's a mighty shame some people only care about aesthetics.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by Vemsie
I don't care much about the PSP. The same fucking games we've been playing for ages. Another Ridge Racer, cool. The DS on the other hand is doing new things. There's more fun and creativity in the Mario DS minigames than in the whole PSP line-up so far. It's a mighty shame some people only care about aesthetics.
Which would you rather see: a new Alien sequel directed by James Cameron, or a Disney comedy where Jet Li is a poor immigrant with a penchant for dressing up as a British nanny who finds friendship and the meaning of life when he spends one special Arbor Day shacked up with an Satanic Blood Cult?
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
Ah... Reading Comprehenion would have done me good there.
Hey, I've had my fair share of misunderstandings.

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Originally Posted by Crow
Which would you rather see: a new Alien sequel directed by James Cameron, or a Disney comedy where Jet Li is a poor immigrant with a penchant for dressing up as a British nanny who finds friendship and the meaning of life when he spends one special Arbor Day shacked up with an Satanic Blood Cult?
That might actually be worth seeing.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by Crow
Which would you rather see: a new Alien sequel directed by James Cameron, or a Disney comedy where Jet Li is a poor immigrant with a penchant for dressing up as a British nanny who finds friendship and the meaning of life when he spends one special Arbor Day shacked up with an Satanic Blood Cult?
What kind of stupid comparison is that? I'm just not interested in the same old. Those Mario mini-games are addictive as fuck, Yoshi's Touch and Go makes wonderful use of the dual screens and stylus and Meteos is a marvel according to early reviews.

I like to play stuff that feels fresh and is fun.
post #45 of 52
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Believe me, this whole thing isn't a blight on innovation and fun in video games. I'm all for that.

The problem is that a lot of the stuff coming and has come out for DS has been creative and quirky for its own sake. It's so much harder to strike gold with a new concept, even for Nintendo, that while it makes the few instances when it does feel like a breath of fresh air, it still leaves you with 20 or 30 failed attempts. And that's not a basis for a $150 system, handheld or not.

Meanwhile, in less than a month we're about to see some known and beloved properties get a heavy overhaul in an interesting way, and for the first time it'll be in a medium you can take away from home. We'll have that, ALONG with the innovation. I just think that's the better way to go about it if you're going to experiment.

Don't take the analogy personally. I just have major issues with Nintendo pretending that hardcore gamers don't exist.
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by Vemsie
I don't care much about the PSP. The same fucking games we've been playing for ages. Another Ridge Racer, cool. The DS on the other hand is doing new things. There's more fun and creativity in the Mario DS minigames than in the whole PSP line-up so far. It's a mighty shame some people only care about aesthetics.
I don't consider dual screens which were done by Nintendo in handhelds back in the 80s and style based input done a loooong time ago to be any type of significant innovations. They're nothing new.

As for Ridge Racer, funny you mention it since the DS has it too, and it's *horrible* compared to the PSP version. Oh and in the DS RR, you get to drive the wheel with the styles, which is akward, clumsy interace and a waste of real estate (a whole screen wasted on a wheel).

It's time for more competition in the handheld market.
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by CapitanAmerica
I don't consider dual screens which were done by Nintendo in handhelds back in the 80s and style based input done a loooong time ago to be any type of significant innovations. They're nothing new.

As for Ridge Racer, funny you mention it since the DS has it too, and it's *horrible* compared to the PSP version. Oh and in the DS RR, you get to drive the wheel with the styles, which is akward, clumsy interace and a waste of real estate (a whole screen wasted on a wheel).

It's time for more competition in the handheld market.
One of the dual screens is a touch screen. We didn't get that in the eigthies. It might not feel fresh to you, but to me it does. And I'm a gamer for many years now. To be fair, I don't care about Ride Raer for the DS either. I don't have a problem with comepetition by the way. It's just that the PSP can't excite me at all (with the exception of Lumines).
post #48 of 52
The DS Ridge Racer is ok. My sister gave it to me for Christmas. i actually enjoy playing it, but Imust admit that I never play it by making use of the touch screen, so it is kind of a wasted opportunity. It does have some problems though, mainly the collision detection is whacked, but it runs pretty smpothly and overall keeps me pretty entertained. The DS Need For Speed Underground actually "looks" halfway decent too. Not nearly as nice and pretty as any PSP cousin it might have, but it isn't complete crap... so far as I can tell.

I don't think the DS would have such a hard time being picked on and ridiculed if there were actually a decent number of games available. It needs some more quantity, and variety. Are there even 12 games for it yet? I could check, but it isn't really worth it. The point is that there isn't nearly enough stuff. In the end though I'm still happy with the DS. I'd probably consider getting a PSP if I could get one and not have my finace utterly and totally wipe me from existence.
post #49 of 52
i'm fine with my DS right now, also. i don't use it to play games, though. i got the media adapter that allows me to play music, video and the like and have been happy with that. it'll be one less peice of junk i have carry around with me once there are some games, either GBA or DS that i want to play.
post #50 of 52
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Just to counterbalance the hate a bit more, and give credit where credit's due when something looks cool, here ya go.

Silly name notwithstanding, I'm still a sucker for this kind of game, and there's way too few of them being made nowadays for my tastes. And the concept of anything even approaching portable Ikaruga has my utmost attention.
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