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post #1 of 96
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(my first attempt at a review of any kind so feedback would be appreciated)

Akira (1989)

It always seems odd to me that Akira is now used as the lynchpin for elitists to dismiss other anime enthusiasts. It seems to me that if you say your favourite anime is Akira, Spirited Away, Monokoke, or Ghost in the Shell you will most likely get laughed at in some circles. The reason is that Akira is seen as something of a lowest common denominator, the fact it was internationally popular meaning that no ‘true’ anime fan can hold it as their favourite.

Which brings attention to myself, an anime lover for the last decade or so, a person whom I respect very much, and whom will quite proudly state that his favourite anime is Akira. Despite having seen some of the less well known anime films, the ones that ‘elitists’ gush over, such as Graveyard of the Fireflies, Millennium Actress, Love Hina, Naruto, Spiral, Geneshaft and Full Metal Alchemist, I still think that Akira is possibly one of the greatest films ever made.

Essentially Akira is an anime conversion of Katsuhiro Otomo’s Manga from the 1980s, a Manga which was as insidiously large as it was groundbreaking. The 2000 page Manga was converted into an animated feature in 1988, six years after its initial release.

Akira starts out with Tokyo devastated by a nuclear blast, an explosion of darkest black highlighted against a clinically white background. From this point onwards we are thrust into a near future world, where a sprawling new city has been built on the ashes of the old. Neo Tokyo.

I am not going to go into too much detail about the plot, it can be basically surmised as follows; bikers find out about rivals and stage attack, during the course of the attack one of the bikers is involved in an accident due to a freaky kid in the middle of the road, biker is taken to military research institute and has his latent power and desires enhanced, he breaks out and is recaptured, goes mental and kills tons of people, turns into a homogenous blob and essentially implodes.

Where Akira succeeds more than anything else is a sense of visceral energy that is generated, everything from the biker wars to Kaneda and Tetsuo’s final standoff is brutal and almost barbaric. A sense of violence pervading every scene as revolutionaries are beaten to a bloody pulp by totalitarian police, a man is gunned down in the middle of a crowded street, soldiers are ripped limb from limb by Tetsuo and his growing power, and Tetsuo’s girlfriend is raped by a rival biker gang.

Everything has a tangible desperateness to it and often displays a level of nihilism which is only comparable to Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. In the end the film can largely be seen as a parable about human failing in dire situations, Tetsuo turned into a vicious monster through his lust for power being a major example. Kaneda is another interesting character, as he is in a conventional sense the hero of the piece and yet he is motivated either by his affections for Kari or what appears to be a jealously at Tetsuo’s power. Indeed the final standoff seems to be a product of Kaneda feeling his position has been usurped rather than through any heroic principles.

What sets this apart from other films is a level of art design which is still not beaten, there are scenes in this 16 year old movie that are still as powerful as they were when the film was released. Chief in my mind is the opening biker fight (the standoff between Kaneda and the Clown Chief being a particular favourite), Tetsuo’s nightmare scene, and the military satellite blasting off Tetsuo’s arm with silent menace.

This is all aided by a simple fabulous score by Geinoh Yamashirogumi, a vocal troop which give what is essentially a cyberpunk parable a does of almost mythological grandeur through their use of chanting and traditional instruments. Particular standouts include Battle Against Clown, Shohmyoh, and Requiem.

All in all Akira is a classic movie which is possible the best anime film ever made, the only really bad points is that in condensing the Manga down they miss out on some of the more subtle plot points and some of the more interesting aspects (in the Manga for example Tetsuo becomes the leader of the Clowns, gets hooked to drugs to stop the headaches, and has a full on biker war against his old gang…)

But that doesn’t stop this from being a film of almost poetic majesty, and one that any anime fan (or movie fan for that matter) should be proud to call a favourite.
post #2 of 96
Who are these people who will laugh at you if your favorite anime is Akira? I've rarely come up against an otaku who, while it may not be the favorite, will at least recognize it doing for anime what Citizen Kane did for regular film.

Now, say Dragon Ball Z is your favorite anime, you've officially opened yourself up to a world of pain.
post #3 of 96
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Trust me when I say they exist. I use to belong to one of the branches of the Anime Organisation of the UK, and I saw lots of people ostracised due to the fact they stuck up for Akira.

Then again they all thought Kai Do Maru was the best thing ever until it got a UK release, shows how much they know.
post #4 of 96
Yep, good review. Great anime, from a greater manga. I'm in the middle of a 10,000 word dissertation about the relationship between anime and technology in Japan, and this is one of the anime I'm going to 'analyse', I think there are obvious messages about the dark side of Japan's experience with technology, what with the nuke going off at the beginning, and Tetsuo melding with metal at the end and turning into a monster. The year after this came out, Japan suffered a catastrophic stock market crash, which shit everyone up and made them tense and depressed leading up the millenium, overall a sullen mood was over the country (thus crazy cults like Aum Shinrikyo kept popping up) so...good timing Otomo!
post #5 of 96
Akira, just one of those films where I catch something new, no matter how many times I watch it. Yeah, DB:Z....why.....how can people watch this crap?!
post #6 of 96
A total classic of anime. It broke new ground and practically cemented cyberpunk as a new genre form. I have problems with the story only due to the fact that I've read the manga and it's clearly superior in terms of writing but that's not a fair comparison.

I agree on the dark side of technology vibes in the film, those themes run rampant in Japan. I think it goes deeper than that though and delves into the realm of consciousness and the power of the mind, it's funny, In reading another thread on 2001: Space Oddyssey, I think this film has alot in common with that movie in that they both explore the idea's of how powerful the human mind can be and the universe is alot bigger and more complex than human's could possibly understand, it's all just energy and if we use it improperly it'll expand and suck everything in.

I also like to think the movie is also about Tetsuo and Kaneda's relationship and how, in the end, Tetsuo wanted to be like Kaneda but his ego just couldn't accept it, he couldn't stand being that little kid that always got beat up and walked on so when his powers surface his ego expands like the grand canyon but he's still that lonely kid who needed to be protected by Tetsuo, that's what really burns him up. I find the scene where Kaneda watches the little ball of light fall into his hand as he cups it and whispers 'Tetsuo' to be incredibly emotional. After all that happened, he still wanted to be Tetsuo's friend.
post #7 of 96
When I first watched it, it was about their friendship mostly to me, with a mindfuck ending that made no sense. But after a dozen viewings the more sociological and political aspects stood out to me, it really was a great foreshadowing for what would happen to Japan for the next decade. I read the manga properly last year, and loved it, definite classic.

I'm also analysing for my dissertation; Ghost in the Shell 1 & 2, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Serial Experiments Lain, the whole late 80's leading up to the millenium period had some great cyberpunk anime that protrayed a dystopic-like Japan at odds with technology, very cool stuff. I'm theorizing that the two big periods of contact with America (first when Commodore Perry arrived for trade in late 19th century, then with the atomic bombings) have shaped the Japan we see today (and/or at least protrayed in anime form), and Akira I think alludes alot to that, Kaneda's bike even has all those American stickers on it.
post #8 of 96
I love Akira and remember when it had it's theatrical run here in the states. This along with the first Ghost In The Shell when it came out opened up the world of anime to me.

I had quite a few friends that worked in the local art house theaters. Private late night screenings in the theater for me and my friends was a real treat.

I fee this movie holds up extremely well today. I still watch it occasionally and find new reasons to love it. The general is a great character. A real soldier as he might say.

The scene where Kaneda cups the last remnents of Tetsuo gets to me as well.
post #9 of 96
The Akra Tin DVD is great. Watch this movie with the Pill FYI bubbles that you can make come up during the movie... pretty neat.
post #10 of 96
Awesome movie. I think what he's referring to are the elitist people who say "Everyone's seen Akira. I'm a more hardcore anime fan than you, because I've seen (insert latest hot anime title here) and you haven't. In fact, I import anime, manga, and OSTs directly from Japan, and I inject Pocky directly into my veins!!" The kind who think they're cool because they "saw it before anyone else." I say like what you like, regardless of how other people feel.
post #11 of 96
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Originally Posted by cognizant
When I first watched it, it was about their friendship mostly to me, with a mindfuck ending that made no sense. But after a dozen viewings the more sociological and political aspects stood out to me, it really was a great foreshadowing for what would happen to Japan for the next decade. I read the manga properly last year, and loved it, definite classic.

I'm also analysing for my dissertation; Ghost in the Shell 1 & 2, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Serial Experiments Lain, the whole late 80's leading up to the millenium period had some great cyberpunk anime that protrayed a dystopic-like Japan at odds with technology, very cool stuff. I'm theorizing that the two big periods of contact with America (first when Commodore Perry arrived for trade in late 19th century, then with the atomic bombings) have shaped the Japan we see today (and/or at least protrayed in anime form), and Akira I think alludes alot to that, Kaneda's bike even has all those American stickers on it.
I think Akira tackles a broad range of subjects of which the political aspect is just one. There's also a deep message of rebuilding that goes to waste once the spirit of unity is gone and also human's not being able to be responsible with power beyond human understanding.

I think the manga lays out alot of themes better and the relationship between Tetsuo and Kaneda is explored better, Tetsuo's character arc is better defined but the anime is still a classic.
post #12 of 96
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Also in the Manga Kaneda is less of a prat. In the anime his desire to kill Tetsuo almost comes from nothing whereas in the Manga it takes a lot of stuff for Kaneda to get to that point, the final point being the head cracking demise of Yamcha…(sp?)

Akira the manga is just a phenomenal piece of work and what makes the anime seem so strong is that it butchers the story and yet still retains a lot of the intelligent aspects and in reality becomes a story of its own.
post #13 of 96
I like Dragon Ball, DBZ, and DBGT and what, beeyotch?! I do admit they are for kids and aren't exactly high quality shows but I have a huge soft spot for 'em. Especially after DBZ: Budokai 3 has re-awaken the DBZ fan that was dormant inside me.

But yeah, Akira is my favorite anime of all time. Its superiority has been challenged many times, by the likes of stuff like Ghost in the Shell (and Innocence), Macross Plus: the Movie, Grave of the Fireflies, and many, many others I can't remember.

Nice review and thanks for reminding me I own volumes one and two of the manga and have yet to read them (!!!).
post #14 of 96
I'm not a huge fan of the Dragonball anime, but I do watch it on occasion, as it's something I can enjoy. I loved the manga, as I have with everything else I've read. One Piece, Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, YuGiOh! (So sue me) and Shaman King. I'm trying to get into Beet, the Vandal Buster as I really enjoyed what I read in Shonen Jump.
Akira was the spring board for me into 'adult-type' anime. Everything I had seen up to that point had been either Saturday mornnig fare or stuff that came on late at night on the satillite dish we had. Galaxy Rangers, Robotech, Mazinger Z and of course Speed Racer. Having never seen a single episode of Astroboy, I can't comment on it. But Akira was surely a manga and anime series that was a gold standard of what the animated movie could do, what it could be about, the issues it could discuss. I think it's a wonderful movie and am proud to call it amoung my Top 10 of Any Movies.
post #15 of 96
I just love that scene where Tetsuo makes the bridge collapse. Fucking awesome.

About Kaneda being less of a prat in the manga, I disagree, I think he's more unlikeable than in the anime, I mean, he get's a girl pregnant then acts like it's a joke, pushes his friend off his bike while there's a huge wave behind them and just seem's like a little prick alround. I think the beauty is we see him grow up as the series progresses so by the end he's moulded into a "man" for all intents and purposes.

I also like that Akira the kid actually has a far more prominent role than just backstory like in the anime.

'Let's dooo iiiiiit' best line ever.

I really didn't like the voice of the general in the new dubbing, I liked the gruffness of the character in the old dub.
post #16 of 96
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I think with regards to the Manga the size of the thing just allows for better character progression and development, so while Kaneda may do some very nasty things he has concrete reasons and about 400 pages of character development to round out the evil. Kaneda is actually more altruistic in the anime but his reasoning is somewhat truncated and as such without a prior knowledge of his character he comes across as almost petulant at times.

With regards to dubs, the original dub was one of the few times where I felt the dub suited an anime better than subtitles. The way the characters sounded and brief bits of new dialogue really helping the overall feel. The new dub is horrible in comparison and seems to lack any real cleverness. The original dub had some class throw away lines which gave the impression of life; the new dub seemed to be all about exposition.

An example being during the breakout scene near the beginning…

In the original dub the resistance soldier lies in a pool of his own blood and looks up at number 6 before shouting “What are you waiting for?”. This puts across the message perfectly.

In the new dub he actually he just says “run” or something to that effect.

Also the new voices are just wrong especially the three ‘children’ and the general.
post #17 of 96
Exactly...not a big fan of the new dub. The older one was much better. Going back to that scene at the first when the green-skinned boy is running, and Tetuso gets knocked down, I seem to remember him not making any noise in the subbed, but in the new dubbed, it has him breathing heavy, something that kind of took away from the 'quiet mood' amoung the gun fire and choppers above.
post #18 of 96
I found it funny in the anime that Tetsuo was labelled 'the bully' by those three kids yet they always seemed to be attacking him first, Tetsuo was no saint but they always kept pushing him and he reacted, then they call him a bully, I'm referring more to the scene in the playroom, it only served to amplify Tetsuo's inferiority complex.
post #19 of 96
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I think the main problem with the dub, and this is going to sound bad on my part, is that it attempts to be a verbatim translation of the original. Unfortunately, I have found that generally speaking, something is lost in translation and the best Dubs are the ones that either add a bit of dialogue or somehow tinker with the original to make it more palatable. This is a key example with both Akira and Spirited Away as the original Japanese on both movies is exceptionally exposition heavy (in akira’s case it is to explain a 2000 page manga) whereas the English dubs are far more subtle and seem to trust the audience to understand what is going on.

As for the kids, I personally think they are the villains of the anime. As their intention seems to be to manipulate Kaneda, Tetsuo and Kei to lead to the situation, where Akira is released and the singularity, (big ass explosion at the end) is formed. It is rather odd as some dialogue seems to counter this feeling but overall their actions seem incredibly focused. I am pretty sure that the manga fleshes out the children a little better but I will have to reread it again as the last time I read it was about 4 years ago….

Just got me thinking though and I think some scenes from the manga would have been so cool to have seen in the anime. I am specifically thinking of a fight that occurs in book 2 (I am referring to the Western compilation of six books) where two men are fighting on a platform. A rescue ship comes down and tries to save them, but the fight means they become a liability and as such the rescue team just blasts them both. It is just a staggeringly brutal scene and I was surprised that it or a similar scene was not in the anime, as it seemed to epitomise the mood completely for me.
post #20 of 96
I agree that there were things that would've definitely added to the anime if they had been transferred from the manga, that fight scene you described is one of them, the ironic thing was the spy was actually losing the fight and it was only a last desparate attempt that got them both killed.

I would've liked to see Akira play a more vital role instead of just a plot device, the death of #21 in the manga has so much resonance and it's a catalyst for the next big bang, all because that rat faced politician shot the wrong fucking kid, he fucking screws the world.
post #21 of 96
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Oh yeah that guy is the biggest problem with the anime as they include all of the revolutionary stuff and yet one of the precursors of the revolt is reduced to a non-entity his entire story told in all of three scenes and about a dozen sentences. Hell in the anime rat-faced politician almost comes across as a good guy…rather than the conniving evil and just plain stupid fuck he is in the manga. And yet what makes Akira so incredible is despite stuff like what we have mentioned it all does make some rudimentary sense and holds it own to the manga quite well….although this may be to do with the music which is quite simply outstanding.
post #22 of 96
The music is definitely incredible. I think the politician's character arc just wasn't given enough room, the film introduced him as a good guy essentially working within the government against the general but at the last moment it's revealed he's really only interested in self preservation and it doesn't really work.

The general, in fact turns out to be more of a hero than the politician's. You're right though, aside from notable flaws storywise, it still has enough strength's visually to hold it up.

The piece that plays during the whole biker skirmish, you can hear them chant 'kaneda, tetsuo. kanedaaa'
post #23 of 96
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The piece of music is called ‘Kaneda’ and if I remember rightly, it chants most of the biker gang’s name and their girlfriends…. I distinctly remember Kari and Kei being mentioned….

The best piece of music in my opinion, and what have burned onto my work cd, is Tetsuo, which is an amalgamation of the biorhythm music and the sinister chant that plays when he kills people….

Yes I am the sad person who bought the CD soundtrack and have the action figure of Kaneda and his bike perched precariously on my compute monitor…

I do what to find a DVD copy with the original dub though because it is quite distressing to hear a generally above average dub, when the original was ‘the best’ around…as I have said before Akira like Hellsing doesn’t seem to work very well in Japanese as their seems to be a lack of distinction within the voice.
post #24 of 96
I'm in the minority I guess. I like the new dub MUCH more than the old one from the VHS.
Whenever I used to watch Akira on VHS it would almost smack me in the face that many of the voices were from the old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. I could never get past that. Also, a lot of the lines in the new one are just better, in my opinion.
To each their own I suppose.
post #25 of 96
I like the new dub (I can't honestly remember the old one), but I can never watch it without thinking "Kaneda is Vash".
post #26 of 96
[QUOTE=Raiftel ...and have the action figure of Kaneda and his bike perched precariously on my compute monitor…
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Count me among those people as well, Raiftel. I have Keneda with his sweet bike on top of my DVD shelf.
post #27 of 96
I have to admit, the ending for this is just great. It's so weird yet makes perfect sense.

You made an interesting comment about how Kaneda subconciously views Tetsuo as a threat to his leadership and that's why he's after Tetsuo not because he wants to help him. I always get emotional when Kaneda is falling though that vortex and watching splinters of tetsuo's memory and how they were actually happy once.

"Tetsuo never had a very good time of it. They were always trying to make him cry. They'd tease..."
post #28 of 96
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Originally Posted by Raiftel ...and have the action figure of Kaneda and his bike perched precariously on my compute monitor…
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Count me among those people as well, Raiftel. I have Keneda with his sweet bike on top of my DVD shelf.
I've got the Kaneda and Tetsuo(with the crrrazy arm) figures on my stereo. No bike, sadly.
post #29 of 96
Well I spent all day yesterday watching my lovely special edition DVD of this movie, with capsule option on, as part of my textual analysis. Love this movie, and the capsule option which translates signs and graffiti into English is going to be a big help for me in my essay, I was surprised to see alot of signs and graffiti lambasting "Western Imperialism" all over Neo Tokyo, so I think that will tie in nicely with my ponderings on Japan's relationship with modernity, brought about by western powers.
post #30 of 96
I reread the manga this past week and have just watched the anime. And I actually like the way it's done; not so much an adaption or 'reimagining' of the same story - it's just (roughly) the same characters in (roughly) the same situations, with some minor, and a couple of major differences. Like, an alternate reality take on the whole thing.

Although that said, it's too bad that so many of the really awesome things from the manga were removed. My favourites - [massive manga spoilers]














The Colonel. After Akira unleashes his power about a third of the way through the story, devastating Neo-Tokyo (again) - the Colonel spends the rest of the time wandering around dressed like a nomad in varying states of injury, complete with his own robotic enforcement unit, and a handheld targeting system for the SOL defense laser.

Lady Miyako. One of the old test subjects, now a hugely influential religious figure who offers charity to the wounded in post-2nd impact (oops wrong series) Japan, and who is responsible for co-ordinating the attacks on the increasingly unstable Tetsuo. Anime Miyako (if it is her, it certainly looks like it, but she has a man's voice!) is so crap. She just rubs her hands together a few times, gets carried about a bit and then falls off a bridge to her death. Her animated incarnation doesn't have a number on her hand either.

Chiyoko. Chiyoko is so awesome. This huge, matronly Japanese woman tasked by Ryu's resistance outfit as guardian to Kei and general hired muscle. Vast weapons knowledge, responsible for most of the meleé violence of the story, she's is just such a cool character who takes no crap from anyone - and her interactions with those around her are great too. She doesn't even warrant a cameo in the anime. Makes me sad.

Nezu. Still a bit of a creep, but nowhere near as ignoble and cowardly as his brief animated appearances.

The Clowns & Joker. Joker is the leader, but unlike the anime where you just see him a couple of times, he actually plays a part in the story, and actually gets involved with the fight against Tetsuo.

Tetsuo taking over the Clowns.

The UN scientists. In fact all of the stuff concerning the rest of the world's reaction to Akira, and Japan is gone, and the whole 'Great Tokyo Empire' subplot is excised entirely.

Akira is actually alive. Creepy, almost totally silent kid who rarely does anything, apart from the occaisional big bang. I love the blue kids explanation of him; how his power 'disentegrated his personality', leaving just this empty, instinctual shell behind.

Kei's bath scene.


And watching it again, it struck me how phenomenal the anime looks. It really is absolutely amazing. The way it never shies away from the Z-axis - if something has to come towards the viewer - be it a tunnel in a bike chase, a prone body on a mechanical harness, a corridor or anything else - then it does, in obscene detail, totally avoiding the 'cels sliding around a painted background' 2D look that limits a lot of lower-budget, or less ambitious animation. And this is way before CG was ever practical, either.

Also, the ending is actually really simple and obvious. I never realised it before reading the manga, but all that really happens is:

1) Tetsuo's power spirals out of control, warping his body to vast, grotesque proportions

2) Blue kids psychically resurrect Akira from the test tube samples

3) Akira does his big bang power, taking Tetsuo, the kids and himself with it.

That's it. The flashback stuff is just Kaneda seeing Tetsuo's memories.

The only thing that's a bit funny is the "My name is Tetsuo" 2001 A Space Oddysey bit at the very end. If we accept that Akira's big bang powers really are ... big bangs, then they're all running around in some brand new universe somewhere. Crazy.
post #31 of 96
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You also forgot Tetsuo's relationship with that girl (Can't remember her name) She's in the anime but her character arc is far more moving and the only fragment of humanity Tetsuo's holding onto.

Tetsuo's one man war against the US army, he single handedly destroys a naval battleship on his own. Had that been in the anime, it would've been absolutely fucking epic and solidified Tetsuo's status as a stone cold badass.
post #32 of 96
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The only thing that's a bit funny is the "My name is Tetsuo" 2001 A Space Oddysey bit at the very end. If we accept that Akira's big bang powers really are ... big bangs, then they're all running around in some brand new universe somewhere. Crazy.
Anime Spoiler text, highlight to read: Dead on. Tetsuo becomes a new universe. Took me a couple of viewings to figure it out. A bit weird, but that's what I've heard from most people too.
post #33 of 96
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Anime Spoiler text, highlight to read: Dead on. Tetsuo becomes a new universe. Took me a couple of viewings to figure it out. A bit weird, but that's what I've heard from most people too.
I always find it amusing that Ghost in the Shell gets lambasted for its esoteric and overtly scientific plot and yet Akira which has a full on demonstration of the big bang theory seems to have avoided the pretenious anime backlash.

Just been reading through the manga again, and while I still wish some of the more nasty scenes were in the film I actually think Akira the anime succeeds in creating the grim nihilistic (sp?) atmosphere that the buck has. The film is just hopelessly brutal wheter it be the way the rebels are dealt with in the sewer works, what happens to the politicians or what Tetsuo does to his followers.
post #34 of 96
I remember having a discussion ages ago about whether Akira could be adapted into a live action movie, I think it could be done if you adapted it from the manga, I think you'd need to do it in three films to get the full epic scope.

Whether it should be done is another matter entirely.
post #35 of 96
I think Stephen Norrington was trying to do a live action Akira a few years ago but gave up when he got fed up with his experiences dealing with Hollywood.
post #36 of 96
Yeah, I remember that. I'm glad it never got off the ground, it's like LOTR being condensed into one film, it would never work.
post #37 of 96
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Yeah in comparision to Akira, LOTR is an easy conversion.

It is way bigger, has very little trimmable fat, and is horrendously interconnected.

I'd quite dig a 13 part Mini-Series though
post #38 of 96
I think it can be done in 3 films. Just have the first film end with the big bang, the second just focus on the survival in the apocalyptic wasteland and introduce the conflict between Lady Miyako and Tetsuo's band of followers and in the third film the final conflict takes place.
post #39 of 96
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But that would mean that one film would have to cover Tetsuo's treatment, the destruction of the rebels, tetsuo taking over the clowns, the battle between the bike gangs, the fight in the underground, tetsuo's revival and akira's ressurection...

I also saw it as 6 films to be honest, but that may be because I read akira in a six volume set.
post #40 of 96
Just as Otomo tried to make the animated film into a different entity than the comic, a liveaction version should be a different breed altogether.

And for that, I say write from scratch. Just get a good writer to tell his own interpretation of what friendship, the cost of war, the loss of history ad the abuse of power would mean with the events of the manga.

That's how you get a damn decent film out of this.

One that probably won't need to be over 2 1/2 hours.
post #41 of 96
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According to a very sketchy documentary on 'new' Japanese cinema last night, the composer scored the film without looking at a single frame of animation...
post #42 of 96
I absolutely loved this movie. I first watched it on video when I was too young to care about anything but the ridiculous opening motorcycle battle, and this movie got me into anime. Now I've watched a lot of anime, and very crap anime at that at times, but Akira is one of the few that I can easily watch again and again, and do. It's so densely layered that you can pick it apart as much as you like and still glean something new from it. It's also still got some breathtaking animation.

Now, I started reading the manga quite a while ago, but have never finished due to the expense of collecting all the volumes, but as someone mentioned earlier, if you're going to make a live action adaptation of it, that's where you've got to start. If I remember correctly, wasn't Otomo only half way through the manga when he made and released the movie?

I see a live action version as two parts; the first beginning with the destruction of Tokyo at the start of World War 3 and ending with the cataclysm as a result of Akira's awakening. We would see Kai (Kay?) and the survivors atop the crumbling rooftops of Tokyo calling out for Kaneda, and the 1st film could end on a cliffhanger right there. The Second movie would open with Tokyo devastated and cut off from the World, we'd follow the various factions struggling to survive while Tetsuo's power grow, and the film could end with the cosmic rebirth motif of the anime. You could lace that into the whole of the second movie if you wanted a prevailing spiritual undertone to the second movie. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter.
post #43 of 96
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Just been watching this again and the thing that struck me this time was how like life it was.

Many animes tried to give an insight into Future life, but few were quite as spot on as Akira. It's like Otomo sensed this sudden breakdown in society and preceded it. You take a look at Metropolitan cities today and they are essentially Neo-Tokyo.

The young are disenfranchised, reckless and violent, the old are paranoid and facistic stamping down hard and creating yet more rebellion. I just can't imagine why someone who likes anime, or film in general, wouldn't love Akira. Aside from it's rather rushed 3rd act
post #44 of 96
I find it interesting how the Colonel is portrayed almost as a hero, it's the politicians who Otomo seems to target with their petty squabblings and they were the ones who created Akira in the first place, the Colonel was just trying to maintain stability.
post #45 of 96
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Just been watching this again and the thing that struck me this time was how like life it was.
I know Leeds sucks, Spike, but you need to get out more.
post #46 of 96
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44 posts without snark. This thread was doing so well and now it's nothing.

I'm not trying to say that evil psyhics are doing battle in the streets with high tech lasers. But I think the world today is a lot closer to Akira than anything else. People are disenchanted and latch onto anything they can be it political movements, religous sects or gangs.
post #47 of 96
It's not snark, Spike. Akira is a highly caricatured take on a future dystopia. Even Fox News doesn't present the world as frighteningly as Akira.
Arguing that it brings up interesting points about where the world might be heading is one thing. Saying it is ' like life' is some very embarrassing hyperbole.
post #48 of 96
Thread Starter 
The counter of course is that the world we live in is utterly dystopian. Crime is on the increase, people don’t give a shit anymore, kids are growing up with disdain and without boundaries. I’ve lived through four pretty major, ie city wide, riots in my lifetime. To simply deny that Akira has nothing in common with the way the world is today is foolish. The key difference is that the military isn’t as powerful as it is presented in Akira, but a lot of the social commentary has come to pass.
post #49 of 96
You read like a Daily Mail editorial. You need to go and sit in a field for a while.
post #50 of 96
And I hear the kids listen to crazy "rock" music these days, too.
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