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post #51 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
You read like a Daily Mail editorial. You need to go and sit in a field for a while.
That's a horrifying prospect. I'm still adamant that Akira is probably closer to real life than most other forward looking films of the time.
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post #52 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:33am
So we can expect a cosmic rebirth soon. WOO-HOO.
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post #53 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
And I hear the kids listen to crazy "rock" music these days, too.
As long as they keep offa mah lawn!
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post #54 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:36am
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Like I said, socially speaking we're at the point where Akira was at. Otomo took what was happening in Japan in the 80s and made an assumption about what was going to happen on a socioglogical level. All I'm saying is that he wasn't far off.

Going over my other posts I seem to have doubled in age. Balls.
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post #55 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:38am
No, we're really not. Those damn kids you're so terrified of are more interested in gadgets, pop culture and fashion than they are in forming clown-themed bike gangs and having high-speed street duels while hepped up on hyperpills.
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post #56 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:41am
I think they're more interested in stealing gadgets...
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post #57 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:41am
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No they're more interested in getting drunk until they vomit and beating each other's skulls in with roadwork signs. Just because you don't see shit happening, doesn't mean it's not happening. I spent most of my life growing up on a housing estate, and spend most weekends out in the city with all kinds of manic shit going on.
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post #58 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:48am
I'm sorry you live in a demilitarized zone, then. But guess what? Shitty neighborhoods have always been crime-ridden cesspools! Since forever! But to extend that to all of western society is fucking ridiculous, and that's apparently what you're saying. It's a grandiose hyperbolic blanket statement, and you're becoming quite famous for them.
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post #59 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:48am
Yeah, cause teenagers drinking, puking, and beating the shit out of their fellow man on weekends just never happened until now.

EDIT: What Brad said, too.
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post #60 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
No, we're really not. Those damn kids you're so terrified of are more interested in gadgets, pop culture and fashion than they are in forming clown-themed bike gangs and having high-speed street duels while hepped up on hyperpills.
No, they're more interested in speccing out their cars in ever more garish ways and doing some high speed drifting.
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post #61 of 96
5/15/06 at 11:55am
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The thing is Brad I turned on the local news yesterday and the things I remember are.

An old lady getting beaten to death in a busy street, no one came to her help, a vicar getting set on fire by a bunch of hoodlums, two pubs getting wrecked by a gang because it was too close to a local mosque, police officers getting injured after trying to break up a fight between two local gangs which ended in 3 fatalities.

It might not be the same everywhere, but the stuff I encounter in everyday life, and the stuff I hear on the TV seem to correlate into a pattern which indicates that society is pretty much fucked. I just heard from a colleauge about a nurse who was stabbed to death by an 9 year old because he thought it would be a laugh, and how nothing is going to happen to him because of his age.
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post #62 of 96
5/15/06 at 3:37pm
Brad already covered that.

So to move on with Otomo's visionary status, where's Myspace in Akira?
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post #63 of 96
5/15/06 at 3:40pm

you BROKE my BIKE

do me a favore
call Kaneda
tell him i'm a big amoeba baby
i'm tetsuuoooooooooooo sorry <3
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post #64 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:05pm
Know what else is a soberingly real vision of our times?
The Warriors.
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post #65 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:06pm
And RoboCop.
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post #66 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
i'm tetsuuoooooooooooo sorry
You lose points, and are relegated from the Daily Double bonus round.
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post #67 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:21pm
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I’ll say it again. The sociology of Akira is becoming more predominant. What Akira represents is a society ruled by nihilism and indifference, where people join cults/revolutionary movements/gangs as an attempt to be part of something.

It’s about a society in moral decay and to be honest I see that happening more and more. It’s fine to disagree but must we be so childish about things. This thread was a quiet hive of genuine discussion until recently, now it’s been hijacked by the same motley crew who tend to derail every thread.
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post #68 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:27pm
I'm sorry we derailed your intellectual debate about dubs and collectible action figures.
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post #69 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:33pm
Just to refresh, you made the claim that the world was now like Akira and me and Brad disagreed. We gave reasons too. Have you confused 'snark' with 'disagreeing with you'? After that you got pissy, at which point taking the piss is fair game.
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post #70 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
The thing is Brad I turned on the local news yesterday and the things I remember are.

An old lady getting beaten to death in a busy street, no one came to her help, a vicar getting set on fire by a bunch of hoodlums, two pubs getting wrecked by a gang because it was too close to a local mosque, police officers getting injured after trying to break up a fight between two local gangs which ended in 3 fatalities.
Huh, I live in a garrison town, and most of MY local news was taken up by four East Anglian football teams making it into the Championship next season, a guy building a wind turbine in his back garden, and Essex womens' contributions to the upcoming race for life. Although the town paper DID recently run a shocking front cover story detailing two older high-school girls swiping twenty quid from a ten year-old Brownie. THE END IS NIGH.
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post #71 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:37pm
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It was a poor choice of words, but I have restated what I meant at least three times, which you and Brad have ignored to assume that I was talking about biker gangs and psychic warfare.

I think I've lost this thread.

Bugger.
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post #72 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:39pm
I thought he was talking about the Mutants gang in Dark Knight Returns. They may be troublemakers, but they've got some cool sunglasses.
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post #73 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:41pm
Point is, "Spike", you said a dumb thing, then tried to back that dumb thing up with anecdotal evidence from your apparent life in a godforsaken hellpit, where hope dies and love cannot escape. Which smells a lot like middle-class bullshit to me, anyway, but that's beside the point.

Are there gangs? Sure. Are there crazy religious movements? Sure. Do people flock to where they can feel like part of something? Of course. Is this something that is in any way, shape or form new and prophecized by fucking Akira? Oh, hell no. Do you even read history books that? And I mean real history books, not romanticized nonsense about feudal Japan.

You'd probably balk if Bob or I did really say that the world was just like the Warriors now, or RoboCop, but that's exactly what you're saying, because you're applying the very common gang-dystopia theme, a fairly generic cliche springboard in a lot of sci-fi, and supplanting it over society as a whole, and that doesn't ring true at all. So if your stories are true, then I suggest you move, because you live in what sounds like the worst place in the Western world. And if not, then I suggest you broaden your horizons outside of your starry eyed fascination with Asian action cartoons and videogames a bit.
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post #74 of 96
5/15/06 at 4:49pm
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Okay. I'll admit I'm wrong. To be honest science fiction isn't my thing, so when I was presented with something like Akira it seemed to portray a future in a far more believable sense than anything else. I do live in a pretty shitty town, but it's where I grew up. I tend to go on the defensive too easily, and in retrospect that was a stupid thing to do.

It's hard not to see the world as being like your own little isolated hub at times and as such I tend to generalise things based on my own experiences.

So yeah, I'm retarded.

Edit: I don't quite get what you mean about read history books. Yeah I know that the world goes through cycles of turbulance and calm but is there something more I should be looking for?
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post #75 of 96
5/15/06 at 5:28pm
The fact that this shit has been happening since the dawn of mankind might be a good place to start. I mean, do you just assume counterculture and youth rebellion started ten years ago?
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post #76 of 96
5/29/06 at 1:31pm
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Anyone know if this film won any major awards. I can only find 1 mention on IMDB which seems a little odd considering the impact the film had.
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post #77 of 96
5/29/06 at 2:10pm
Outside of teenagers and people who already liked anime, Akira really didn't make much of an impact.
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post #78 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:00pm
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http://www.scifimoviepage.com/akira.html
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post #79 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:02pm
Oh, well, if scifimoviepage.com says it....
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post #80 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:04pm
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What's the matter Millette, now of your usual victims online at the moment. This movie was the first anime that got recognition in the UK. It had a great critical reaction and it influenced a lot of future movies.
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post #81 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:06pm
That's not really a huge, award-winning impact right there. It influenced more anime, and got teens into "OMG KEWL" cartoons, but beyond that, most people couldn't give a dick less about it. You're deluding yourself if you think Akira was more than a mild splash on Western cultural radar.
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post #82 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
That's not really a huge, award-winning impact right there. It influenced more anime, and got teens into "OMG KEWL" cartoons, but beyond that, most people couldn't give a dick less about it. You're deluding yourself if you think Akira was more than a mild splash on Western cultural radar.
Alright then...

Anyone know if this film won any major awards. I can only find 1 mention on IMDB which seems a little odd considering the impact the film had in anime in general.

I'm not gonna fucking argue with you about this seen as you have a bone to pick with me/the film.
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post #83 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:20pm
Akira is one of those movies where people who like it think it's more important then it is. It's an alright movie but, most people don't care.
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post #84 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:24pm
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No. It's a fucking great movie, which a lot of people dismiss because it's anime. It's also one of the first anime movies which went mainstream, and here in the UK at least it got a really good critical reception.
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post #85 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:37pm
Saying that it's odd that AKIRA didn't win any major wards is like saying it's odd that RINGU didn't win any major awards. And RINGU has had far more short-term impact on Western movie-making.
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post #86 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:39pm
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I'm not talking about western awards. I'm talking about awards in General, like the HK Awards etc.

Ringu has a shitload of Asian awards

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0178868/awards

But apparently Akira has only won 1 award, in Belgium.
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post #87 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:42pm
Gee, I wonder why? Couldn't be because it's not actually THE GREATEST THING EVER, could it?
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post #88 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:45pm
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I'm not saying it's the greatest thing ever. I am saying that in anime circles it is viewed fairly highly, and that is more well known to the public than a lot of other anime features.
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post #89 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:47pm
That's not saying much at all.
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post #90 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:49pm
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However Ghost in the Shell has it's own fair share of awards, so there has to be at least somewhere where Akira has won something.
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post #91 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:51pm
Why is it so important for Akira to have won awards? It's not really an award winning sort of film to begin with.
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post #92 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:52pm
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It's not important. I just want to know, because the DVD I have says that it is award winning and I'm curious if the 'Silver Scream Award' is solely what they are basing it on.
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post #93 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:53pm
Probably. Marketing departments will write anything up as an award if they think it'll fool people into believing they're buying a brilliant film.
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post #94 of 96
5/29/06 at 4:58pm
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I suppose the thing is that a lot of the awards which Ghost in the Shell got are from relatively newer organisations which were created in the 90s, so Akira missed out on the Phantasm and Fangoria awards, as they were started in the mid 90s.
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post #95 of 96
5/29/06 at 5:04pm
This just gets more and more insane each time you post.
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post #96 of 96
5/29/06 at 5:31pm
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I'm just saying that anime was only really noticed in awards in the 90s.
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