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post #1 of 30
3/5/05 at 4:23pm
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Nintendo President Talks Revolution
Says third party support may not be in the cards. Full story.
by Matt Casamassina

March 4, 2005 - In a recent interview with overseas trade publication MCV, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata talked about the company's forthcoming home console, codenamed Revolution. Iwata reiterated that the platform would be fundamentally different from other game systems, and said that its unique make-up could potentially alienate third party publishers, or in contrast draw them in.

"If the next generation platforms are going to create even more gorgeous looking games using further enhanced functionality, and if that next-gen market can still expand the games industry, then I'm afraid that third-parties may not support Nintendo," he said.


Nintendo president Satoru Iwata

Iwata once more compared Revolution to Nintendo DS, and said that like its portable the machine could gain the eye of consumers who normally don't care about games. "On the other hand, what we are trying to do is such a different thing, and people have come to realize that the approach we have taken with Nintendo DS can actually expand the market beyond what existing platforms can do. Therefore I believe there should be more third parties who are willing to support Nintendo's new ideas."

Nintendo's president suggested that third party support for Revolution could depend entirely on whether or not publishers find the console appealing. "If we receive the support of the licensees, I believe we will expand third party support," he said. "If our ideas cannot be appealing enough, then we cannot receive third party support."


Iwata indicated that the next-generation is a risky business for all hardware manufacturers and not just Nintendo. "Already publishers are not hesitant in disclosing their concerns over next generation gaming platforms, and development costs are rising. Publishers are afraid... of whether [the next-gen] consoles can appeal to people who are not the avid game fans of today."

Nintendo plans to unveil Revolution at the May Electronics Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles. Stay tuned for more on the machine.

Source: Kikizo.com
Nintendo seriously thinks THEY are the market. Oh I just can't wait for PSP to knock out Game Boy.
Umm so who wants to start taking bets on which Nintendo CEO will sepetu after the flop of Revoluton?
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post #2 of 30
3/5/05 at 4:28pm
They're bigging their new console up. I've worked in the Games Industry, and that's what people do. They may not be on the sturdiest ground right now, but that kind of thing is what everyone does.

Also, it's seppuku. S-E-P-P-U-K-U. If you're going to make stupid jokes about Japanese ritual suicide, at least fucking spell it right.
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post #3 of 30
3/5/05 at 6:51pm
Kudos to Nintendo for trying to do something different. As a videogame fan in general I hope Nintendo keeps producing consoles for al ong time.
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post #4 of 30
3/5/05 at 7:43pm
Come E3 we're all going to either be laughing our asses off at Nintendo's stupidity, or blown away by their ingenuity. My bet's on the former.
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post #5 of 30
3/5/05 at 8:07pm
In other news, Weight Watchers intends to unveil a new line of entrees made entirely out of sour mash and bat rectum. Weight Watchers CEO Sharon Fordham was confident in stating that the new entrees will be successful among the overwhelming percentage of the populace that hates food.
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post #6 of 30
3/5/05 at 8:35pm
Sigh, the nintendo fan in me keeps slowly dying every time I hear something new out of the top guys out of Nintendo Japan.

Third party support is what keeps a gamer of my age (23 years old) interested in gaming. Nintendo releases high quality games, but they are so few and far in between that I can't warrant owning a system that stays stagnant for months at a time. The revolution really has to be something spectacular to even put the thought of purchasing it in my head.

I am sure it will be great, but if I put my money down for a system, I want a large stable of high quality titles to choose from.

The Xbox only had Halo for a long time, but the last two years the qwuality third party titles have exploded, which makes me so happy for taking the plunge last summer. And xbox live is the wave of the future. They made a believer out of me on that.

Sigh, I wish nintendo well though.
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post #7 of 30
3/5/05 at 8:43pm
Nintendo got me into gaming and to be fair, they still do the job for me. Donky Kong Jungle Beat shows more innovation and fun than basically the whole Xbox line-up. Revolution? Bring it on.
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post #8 of 30
3/5/05 at 9:22pm
Because, you know, I was planning to buy the Revolution for third party games.
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post #9 of 30
3/5/05 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by Gemini
Because, you know, I was planning to buy the Revolution for third party games.

ya i hear ya gemini. I am not saying that I was disappointed with the AAA titles that were out for the gamecube in its first 2 years. Smash Brothers Melee is still probably the most played game of my life thanks to being at college with a bunch of fellow smashers always available.

But, I am a gamer first. I want to play Splinter Cell with all of its features, I want to at least HAVE the option of online capability in my sports games...I fucking WANT sports games too. When ESPN/SEGA abandoned the gamecube, I knew it was time to invest somewhere else also.

I want options in my gaming. Nintendo just isn't doing giving that to the gamer anymore. Whoever made the Mac analogy in some other thread is totally right. Nintendo is slowly evolving towards a niche market gaming company, where if you want to play nintendo stuff you have to have nintendo hardware. If you want something else, go spend your money elsewhere or on both.
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post #10 of 30
3/5/05 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by Gemini
Because, you know, I was planning to buy the Revolution for third party games.
Heh, exactly. I have no fucking clue what the Revolution will do, in what way the console design is so radically different from the traditional console. Frankly it doesn't much matter. It could be a pin ball machine with re-programmable flippers and bumpers... IF Nintendo offers enough entertaining games for their programmable pinball machine, at a decent price, I'll buy it.

For me it's all about the quality of the games, not about the number of gigaflops or amount of hard drive space (except to the extent those things affect game quality). Bellyaching about Nintendo's innovative design, before any games are even announced, is just as ludicrous as pre-ordering a PS3 based solely on the speed of the Cell processor.
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post #11 of 30
3/6/05 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by The Sphinx
Heh, exactly. I have no fucking clue what the Revolution will do, in what way the console design is so radically different from the traditional console. Frankly it doesn't much matter. It could be a pin ball machine with re-programmable flippers and bumpers... IF Nintendo offers enough entertaining games for their programmable pinball machine, at a decent price, I'll buy it.

For me it's all about the quality of the games, not about the number of gigaflops or amount of hard drive space (except to the extent those things affect game quality). Bellyaching about Nintendo's innovative design, before any games are even announced, is just as ludicrous as pre-ordering a PS3 based solely on the speed of the Cell processor.
Good call, I've said it for years. Nintendo makes fun games, pure and simple. Sometimes they are great looking, such as Metroid Prime and Zelda: Wind Waker, sometimes they look so-so(but still smooth), such as some of the Mario Party games. But they're always fun. ALWAYS.
Nintendo probably comes out with 4-6 GREAT 1st or 2nd party games a year, and frankly that's enough to warrant owning a system for.
At the same time, they're missing out on a lot of good 3rd party stuff... and that's why, unfortunately, I'll be buying 2 systems every generation from now on. Not to mention the fact that I NEED my GTA and Halo fix.
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post #12 of 30
3/6/05 at 6:45am
It's okay, SAIRUS. Fett's just grumpy. You can come out now.
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post #13 of 30
3/7/05 at 12:34pm
The rational part of me thinks abandoning third-party support is company suicide but the other part knows the minute a cool Zelda sequel or a TRUE Starfox sequel is released I'll be the first chump in line.
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post #14 of 30
3/7/05 at 12:50pm
I have exclusive details on the hardware driving the Revolution: Its main components will be a ball, a bat, a bucket full of sand, a long piece of string and eleven crayons.
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post #15 of 30
3/7/05 at 1:55pm
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I've made my point clear several times, Nintendo is on the way out. It's not going to have a niche, but more like hanging on a cumbeling cliff. A few good games is not enough to sustain the console forever. Heck, even the past Mario wasn't that great. 3rd party, maybe I can take the hit, but at least give us online play. Innovative is great, but I'm not gonna buy bongo drums for 1 or 2 games. Besides, I don't want to spend money multiple consoles, its not just feasible for me (not in terms on money, but just time). I like my xbox due to it has everything right there. I'm sure in Japan, wouldn't a setup with more features work better to save space? Xbox live really adds to gameplay length.

DS
How do 2 eyes keep up with 2 screens? Its impractical for to jump b/w 2 screens in 1 game, let alone can screw somethings up. Besides the size of the screen, I can do everthing on there with my Palm pilot, and its a ton smaller and the memory can be pretty big.

Expect a touch screen on the Revolution's controller. Lacking A and B buttons, expect the buttons to be customized on the screen.
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post #16 of 30
3/7/05 at 11:26pm
So Nintendo's on the way out because you don't like them? Thanks for the laugh.
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post #17 of 30
3/7/05 at 11:34pm
Am I the only person who finds this thread title incomprehensible?
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post #18 of 30
3/7/05 at 11:36pm
I did, but I let it go after the sepetu incident.
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post #19 of 30
3/7/05 at 11:38pm
Nintendo: Smashing the rabbit and expecting an express bus.
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post #20 of 30
3/8/05 at 11:47am
This thread is cumbeling before our very eyes.
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post #21 of 30
3/11/05 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Fett
Also, it's seppuku. S-E-P-P-U-K-U. If you're going to make stupid jokes about Japanese ritual suicide, at least fucking spell it right.
Best. Nitpick. EVER!!!!
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post #22 of 30
3/11/05 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS
Innovative is great, but I'm not gonna buy bongo drums for 1 or 2 games.
This is the thing that gets me. I love innovation, but they gotta support it. I remember Sega was notorious for coming up with console additions and making 2 games that use it. Nintendo has even done this in the past (I owned the SNES blaster rifle thing...Super Scope 6, that was it).
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post #23 of 30
3/12/05 at 6:11am
The Revolution will be backward compatible, surely that's good news, right?
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post #24 of 30
3/12/05 at 11:39am
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Looks like Nintendo is still obsessed with having a unique format. I think really thats also a huge error right there. I don't mind not having a dvd player, but at least give a media which allows 3rd parties to easily port to your system. 3rd parties have boomed on the xbox pretty much as recent due how easy it is to program, but they realize it has he benifits of PS2 and then some. Then next console war is really going to be interesting. God knows how many children have to be sold into mines to be able to afford a PS3 (with blu-ray and a new cell processor), and Microsoft seems to be getting more effecient with their costs with xbox2. Revolution better deliver something. I feel like I'm ignoring the best friend from preschool that I got smarter than.
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post #25 of 30
3/13/05 at 1:07am
New Info on Revolution from Iwata's speech at the Game Developer's Conference

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You may remember from E3 last year that we explained DS had two meanings: dual screen and developer system. And Nintendo Revolution is a developer system, too.

With IBM, we are creating Revolution's core processor, which we have codenamed Broadway because Broadway is the capital of live entertainment. With ATI, we are developing the graphics chipset, codenamed Hollywood because Hollywood is the capital of movie entertainment. With Revolution, we are determined to create the new capital of interactive entertainment.

Now, a couple of specifics. First, contrary to much speculation, I can announce today that Revolution will be backward compatible. The best of the Nintendo GameCube library will still be enjoyed by players years from now. Second, as I said earlier, we intend to incorporate wireless technology in all we do. Therefore, Nintendo Revolution will be Wi-Fi enables, built into every system. And third, even though the game experience enjoyed by players will be far different on Revolution, developing for it will be familiar. It will not require a steep new learning curve. In this way, just like Nintendo DS, it's a place where the best ideas - not the biggest budgets - will win.

And make no mistake. We expect third party publishers will be fully supportive of what we're doing. From this point forward, in support of all of our product lines, Nintendo will be expanding our development reach. Some of these new games will come from larger internal teams. Some from the kinds of game partnerships we've formed with third parties over recent years. Maybe some day, we'll work on a game together. I'd like that.
Backwards compatable? Wi-Fi enabled? Sounds good to me.
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post #26 of 30
3/13/05 at 8:17pm
Remember when Nintendo said the Nintendo 64 controller would become the industry standard? Then the Gamecube controller? Then when they said online gameplay wasn´t important because gamers didn´t want online games?

I laugh at Nintendo. They´re third place in a three-man race, and yet they continue to make the same exact mistakes... They´ve been on the way down since the N64, and falling harder and harder every day.

P.S: Where are the DS games, for God´s sake? It´s been months, now.
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post #27 of 30
3/13/05 at 8:17pm
The N64 controller is the best in history. It should have become standard, because it was amazing. It just didn't have the console to match it.
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post #28 of 30
3/13/05 at 9:25pm
I enjoyed my N64, but the controller sucked. Sony's dual analog is still the best imo, though the Xbox controllers have grown on me.
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post #29 of 30
3/14/05 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by Fett
The N64 controller is the best in history. It should have become standard, because it was amazing. It just didn't have the console to match it.
I think that the N64 controller WAS great, BUT, they wore out easily. Specifically the joystick, that powder that formed around the stick was not a good sign. I hate it when I own a system and I fear loaning out the controller, because maybe friends will be too rough with it.

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Originally Posted by JuddL
I enjoyed my N64, but the controller sucked. Sony's dual analog is still the best imo, though the Xbox controllers have grown on me.
I did love the controller, but not the execution. The dual shock pretty much fixed the things Nintendo pioneered. I mean the Dual Shock is basically a Super NES controller with joysticks and more buttons. I still think that the N64 controller was THE perfect FPS controller of it's time(not counting keyboard and mouse of course).
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post #30 of 30
3/14/05 at 5:00am
Of its time, sure, it was great for FPS, but these days you need a dual analog controller.
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