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James Bond Down to Two?

post #1 of 48
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According to Moriarty, the role of James Bond is down to two, Julian McMahon and Daniel Craig. He says that the decision is ultimately up to Amy Pascal at Sony, and this gives me a lot of hope. If the stories are to be believed, she supported all the "Spider-Man" casting, going with good actors over stars, and maybe the move to Sony will be good for Bond. Some of the names put out terified me, but I think these two are actually pretty good.

Julian McMahon is the more Pierce Brosnan, dashing type Bond. He has a little more of a pervy, asshole quality to him which would be welcome, but still the same basic type. Its an obvious choice, and he's British, and could probably do a good job.

But I want Daniel Craig, because he's not a name you'd pick, it's daring, and I like it. He's much more the Timothy Dalton badass Bond type, and that's what I want, especially for a "prequel" if the rumors are true. Martin Campbell knows Bond and how to introduce him, and this guy could be perfect. He did the action thing in "Tomb Raider" and was good despite the overall shit quality of the movie. "Road to Perdition" was just a great performance period.

I want him to be Bond, especially if its down to two. Craig is the type of Bond that women fuck because he's a man, the type who crashes from the sky onto your yacht and bangs the girl because he's got the time. Not the type they do because he talks nice and has good taste in wine.
post #2 of 48
Well, I can’t seem to escape Daniel Craig lately. On Friday I watched Layer Cake again at a friend’s house and over the weekend he appeared in the two-part BBC drama Archangel (sub-par conspiracy pot-boiler, but he was okay).

Physically he fits the Bond pattern. Expensive suits and Rolex watches sit well on him. Adonis – no, but he’s certainly not “ugly”. His eyes suggest a streak of ruthlessness long missing from the franchise and his deliberate, assured voice (minus all trace of accent) seems good for a few Miss Moneypennys.

He’d probably have to lose the blond hair, which might cause a problem since his eyes are piercingly bright.

If the producers choose Craig I shall be happy. It's perhaps a bit of a risk, but I can't see him being any worse than Brosnan, who never really inspired me.

I haven’t seen or heard of Julian McMahon so I can’t really comment.
post #3 of 48
Julian McMahon is Australian. His dad used to be the Prime Minister there.
post #4 of 48
I don't think either would be right for Casino Royale. I'd pick James Purefoy.
post #5 of 48
Dalton. Timothy Dalton.
post #6 of 48
How come the casting is magically suddenly up to Sony? Don't Wilson and Broccoli still own the rights?
post #7 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fett
How come the casting is magically suddenly up to Sony? Don't Wilson and Broccoli still own the rights?
I think it's reasonable to think that Sony does wield a good deal of influence. As for the names mentioned, maybe they've already come to a decision.
post #8 of 48
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Yeah, I think the move to Sony is accounting for the new power over the Broccolis. MGM was a troubled studio who depended on Bond, thusly, rather than not have one, they let the Broccolis do what they wanted and screw them up. MGM just needed the money to stay afloat. But now Sony owns MGM and was huge already. They hopefully want good Bond movies, knowing that in the long run, quality is what's going to keep it a viable franchise. I'm no insider of course, but the Broccolis need a studio to make a Bond movie right? So I would say that studio has some say in who the new Bond is.

I'm actually excited about the idea of Craig. Watch us get McMahon, but really either are pretty good. James Purefoy doesn't do it for me. He's British, that's about it. There's nothing behind his eyes to me, he's just filler. Sadly, that's what Brosnan became. When I picture the cold blue eyes of Daniel Craig and "Bond, James Bond", I get new hope for the series.
post #9 of 48
I really hope a third actor is chosen, just to make AICN look bad.
post #10 of 48
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After seeing the "Layer Cake" trailer, I very much hope not. I really want Daniel Craig as the new Bond.

Apparently John Cleese as Q is gone which is good, the last remnants of "Die Another Day" being swept away. Martin Campbell is the best director they've had in ages, and "Goldeneye" is the last great Bond film. I have high hopes again, foolish as that might be.
post #11 of 48
I'm sure Daniel Craig is hoping he lands the role.

At the very least it's a licence to become rich, famous and the object of beautiful women's carnal desires ...
post #12 of 48
I imagine it will end up being Julian McMahon (in spite of the Clive Owen rumors strongly resurfacing again recently).


Also, I love how the media (whether online or not) was "shocked" that John Cleese was not returning to play Q. How could he? This is supposed to be a PREQUEL, therefore it would technically be the classic Llewelyn Q character arming Bond, not his replacement "R". Same goes for Judi Dench. M will most likely be male again in the upcoming installments. I doubt Samantha Bond will return as Moneypenny either, considering she stated that once Brosnan left, so would she. No familiar series faces this time folks.
post #13 of 48
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Good riddance. Sorry, but John Cleese really irritated me as R (stupid) and was still irritating as Q. He played it way too broad and over-the-top. I quickly longed for Llewelyn's dry subtlety. Samantha Bond was actually pretty good as Moneypenny the first two times around, but after "Die Another Day" they destroyed here. Using Moneypenny as one ridiculously stupid gimmick was just wrong. The epitome of just how low the series has gotten.

Start fresh. I like the Dalton Moneypenny, a girl who is attractive but slightly nerdy. I liked that approach. Just get rid of the James Bond hitting on his Grandma dynamic that's been happening in some of the films.

Let's have a new Q, but not too crazy. My pick is Jason Isaacs. Someone who conceivably have been Bond, now "retired" and working in the labs. He's a terrific actor, capable of comedy, and could be really good.
post #14 of 48
ET claims that Clive Owens is in the final stages of negotiations to play 007, so it's a matter of which rumors to you want to believe.
" like the Dalton Moneypenny, a girl who is attractive but slightly nerdy. I liked that approach.
That is the approach that John Garndner took in his novel to Q with "Qwute" a very attractive but nerdy lady scientist who gets the job as Q. Bond and her have an on and off again love affair in the series. It's fun because she is totally unimpressed by Bond's usual tactics, it is only when he starts treating her like a equal that she goes to bed with him. It could be a fun approach for the films.
post #15 of 48
Damn. Cleese was the one thing I liked about the previous few movies, besides Rosamund Pike's tits.
post #16 of 48
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Originally Posted by Stew
Good riddance. Sorry, but John Cleese really irritated me as R (stupid) and was still irritating as Q. He played it way too broad and over-the-top. I quickly longed for Llewelyn's dry subtlety. Samantha Bond was actually pretty good as Moneypenny the first two times around, but after "Die Another Day" they destroyed here. Using Moneypenny as one ridiculously stupid gimmick was just wrong. The epitome of just how low the series has gotten.

Start fresh. I like the Dalton Moneypenny, a girl who is attractive but slightly nerdy. I liked that approach. Just get rid of the James Bond hitting on his Grandma dynamic that's been happening in some of the films.
Aye, Moneypenny should complete with great legs, short skirt, a hint of stocking, nerdy glasses and a tight hair bun that can be quickly released to reveal long, silky locks - ideal for drawing across a man's chest.

Yowza!
post #17 of 48
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These Clive Owen rumors do keep popping up. He said for so long he didn't want it, but I could see him changing his mind after the recent developments. Yeah, "Die Another Day" was horrible, but then they went to Sony, are going back to the novels, hired Martin Campbell who he worked with on "Beyond Borders", and are "starting fresh".

They are saying all the things I think a Clive Owen would want to hear if he had possibly dreamed of playing Bond but worried that the series was in the tank. Yeah, its not as inspired as it would have been more around "Croupier" time, but the guy is still amazing. He gives great performances in everything, and is extremely compelling. He's got the right mixture of decency and callousness that I think Bond needs.

Besides him, let's get Daniel Craig.
post #18 of 48
I think Clive Owen would be awesome. If they cant get him though I think Julian Mcmahon would be great he is awesome in Nip/Tuck and could bring alot of the humour to the role. Thats what I always liked about Bond was his sleazy sexist one liners always cracked me up. I guess thats just the guy in me.
post #19 of 48
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I really hope a third actor is chosen, just to make AICN look bad.
I too pray for this to happen.
post #20 of 48
The last time I checked, AICN wasn’t a football team.
post #21 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fett
...besides Rosamund Pike's tits.
Did you get to see something we didn't?
post #22 of 48
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Thats what I always liked about Bond was his sleazy sexist one liners always cracked me up. I guess thats just the guy in me.
What's his name?
post #23 of 48
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Originally Posted by Stew
They are saying all the things I think a Clive Owen would want to hear if he had possibly dreamed of playing Bond but worried that the series was in the tank. Yeah, its not as inspired as it would have been more around "Croupier" time, but the guy is still amazing. He gives great performances in everything, and is extremely compelling. He's got the right mixture of decency and callousness that I think Bond needs.

Besides him, let's get Daniel Craig.
Ditto that. I like Julian McMahon, but having seen him in soaps years ago, I can't get his bad acting out of my head. I just don't see him as being rough enough. Suave and yet hard, yes, but I don't see him killing someone with is bare hands. Owen in "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" had a great "I'm gonna kill you" scene. Made him very Bond-ish, IMHO. Owen has much more the right appearance and performance style for the role.
post #24 of 48
This morning's UK tabloids seem certain Craig has the job, although nothing has been confirmed by the Bond people.
post #25 of 48
There are apparently rumblings that Sony want Brosnan back now, too. As much as I think Craig would be a good choice, I'd like it if he came back.
post #26 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fett
There are apparently rumblings that Sony want Brosnan back now, too. As much as I think Craig would be a good choice, I'd like it if he came back.
I don't think Brosnan can take Bond any further, Charles. Indeed, if Die Another Day is anything to go by, he's gone into reverse gear.

In my mind, ever since hitting the big time in 82 with Remington Steele Brosnan has been playing Bondesque characters or Bond himself. Twenty odd years is a long time for a man who I think is pretty limited as an actor. I guess I'm just weary of Brosnan. To me he has become Cliché.

Whether Craig is the best choice to replace Brosnan, I don't know. But from what I've seen he has the acting skills and the aspect to at least blow the cobwebs off the character. And that can't be a bad thing.
post #27 of 48
I dunno, I think Brosnan had the potential to be a great Bond, and I think he did well considering the source material. I'd have loved to see what he'd have done with some of the earlier movies, because I think he's sadly come at a time when these flicks have just got shite.

Personally though, I'm looking back wishing Dalton had done more flicks.
post #28 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fett
I dunno, I think Brosnan had the potential to be a great Bond, and I think he did well considering the source material. I'd have loved to see what he'd have done with some of the earlier movies, because I think he's sadly come at a time when these flicks have just got shite.
Oh, there's no doubt Brosnan hasn't had his predecessors' luck with scripts, but I don't think that entirely excuses him. Even with a bad script, a good actor should be able to at least stamp some of his character's (and his own) personality on the viewer's mind. My problem with Brosnan is that in all the roles I've seen him in he always seems personality-less; aspect without substance. Emotionally hollow.

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Personally though, I'm looking back wishing Dalton had done more flicks.
Never took to Dalton. To me he was the reverse image of Dalton: substance without aspect.
post #29 of 48
The Daniel Craig rumour is appearing in places that don't normally stoop to Bond casting rumours. It's common knowledge he was one of the final two, so it looks like we could have our man.

If so, I think he's an excellent choice. He's got the grit to bring some gravity back to the role, but he's also a damn fine actor with a lot of range. He's got a lot of heat at the moment from Layer Cake and, unlike Clive Owen, he doesn't yet have the baggage of being a "known" actor.

If he is the new Bond, my interest in the series has just gone from "couldn't give a toss" to "excitably curious".
post #30 of 48
There's steeliness about Craig that I like. Those ice blue eyes suggest the kind of ruthless sadism Bond fans have long yearned for.

He’s also got a face that looks as if it has been on the business end of a few meaty uppercuts from foreign agents. Which is something of a departure from Brosnan’s laser-etched facial perfection.
post #31 of 48
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The Daniel Craig rumour is appearing in places that don't normally stoop to Bond casting rumours. It's common knowledge he was one of the final two, so it looks like we could have our man.
Seems like all the major news outlets are picking up the story now.

If this is the case, fair play to those up at Bond Towers for finally having the nerve to play with fire. Craig to go retro Bond? This is literally Casino Royale.

Whether it ultimately breaks the franchise or not, I shall be there on opening night.
post #32 of 48
Interesting choice, but they just lost most of the female crowd. This will be the lowest grossing Bond film in history.
post #33 of 48
And to think, some people accuse the online movie community of kneejerk hyperbole.
post #34 of 48
Rugged never did Richard Burton any harm.

I'm more interested in the thought of a Scouse 007.

"The name's Bond. James Bond, la"
post #35 of 48
Surprised to read Cleese wont be in it. Glad too because he was incredibly annoying.

Craig is a good choice, the film's looking slightly interesting now, but as ever, story is what I'm more interested in, and if the same screenwriters are onboard then I wont put up my hopes.
post #36 of 48
Looks like they're going back to basics, casting Craig is a step in the right direction, he looks like a ruthless bastard but I doubt they'll go all the way with the character, they still have to market Bond as a good guy just not too good.
post #37 of 48
Beating the chickees off with a stick...

post #38 of 48
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I am really excited if Craig indeed for the part. I think he's absolutely perfect. Brosnan had two great films and two bad ones for my money, but they needed a change. Craig is a handsome dude, but definitely more of the Dalton variety, more rugged and worn down than Brosnan's matinee idol, Ken Doll good looks. The icey blue eyes could be used really well, and the "Layer Cake" trailer had me pretty jazzed at the thought of him as the new Bond. He's a lot more daring a choice than I figured they'd make, so let's hope it translates into other areas as well.

That said, if Purvis and Wade are on this then all bets are off. These guys are terrible. Period. Forget the terrible dialogue, lame villains, lame plotting, and virtually terrible scripts. What irks me most is how they came up with two pretty promising concepts for the Bond character (an injury and imprisonment) used them as gimmicks, and then completely ignored them.

Imagine a TWINE where Bond's injury actually effects him the entire film. He has to change tactic because he can't do the things he did before. He gets his ass kicked often because he's already wounded. He has to use his brain a bit more, and every fight leaves him in horrible pain, popping pain killers and lying awake. Or a DAD where months of torture and imprisonment actually effects him at all! Flashbacks, nightmares, fear, an inability to perform sexually. These guys suck and need to get the boot. Its not rocket science writing a Bond movie, I'm sure Hollywood has a few other possibilities.
post #39 of 48
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Imagine a TWINE where Bond's injury actually effects him the entire film. He has to change tactic because he can't do the things he did before. He gets his ass kicked often because he's already wounded. He has to use his brain a bit more, and every fight leaves him in horrible pain, popping pain killers and lying awake. Or a DAD where months of torture and imprisonment actually effects him at all! Flashbacks, nightmares, fear, an inability to perform sexually. These guys suck and need to get the boot. Its not rocket science writing a Bond movie, I'm sure Hollywood has a few other possibilities.
I agree. The DAD torture sequence and the subsequent "effects" (or lack of) were dreadfully mishandled. It felt like the producers were interested in "gritty" Bond, but could only manage to pay lip service to it.

To be honest, I can't see the Bond people taking this many risks (Craig and Royale) and baulking with a tame script. It seems nonsensical.
post #40 of 48
daniel craig looks like he has full blown aids.

huge disaster if he is the choice.
post #41 of 48
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Beating the chickees off with a stick...

I have to say, he looks like a young Dr Evil there...
post #42 of 48
Craig is a good actor, and an intersting choice.
My only regret is that now Moriarity ego will be bigger then ever.
As for Brosnan, if that story that he wanted over 40 Million to do another Bond is true he is fucking crazy.No actor is worth that kind of money for a single film....espicially an actor whose might be too old for the role and that role has already been recast several times.
post #43 of 48
Out of the three most mentioned nowadays as being Bond #6 (McMahon, Craig, & Owen), I wouldn't mind any of them as Bond I don't think. Just wish Eon/Sony would make the announcement so this whole Guess Who game can finally end. Part of me wishes that they'd bring Brosnan back for one more so he could have a good sendoff, but his age is showing and that bridge has already been burnt. I'd say they'd be most LIKELY to go with McMahon. If they have the guts, they'll go with Craig. Clive Owen isn't too old now, but after two or three films he would be and they'd have to go through all of this again. That and he's a little too known and would carry some baggage with him. Better to not pursue that path. I'll be happy, yet SHOCKED if they pick Daniel Craig.
post #44 of 48
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Craig is a good actor, and an intersting choice.
My only regret is that now Moriarity ego will be bigger then ever.
As for Brosnan, if that story that he wanted over 40 Million to do another Bond is true he is fucking crazy.No actor is worth that kind of money for a single film....espicially an actor whose might be too old for the role and that role has already been recast several times.
I doubt he did ask for that much, but you never know. He was so much in love with that role that I can't see him getting that greedy. I doubt we'll ever find out the who/what/why of them dumping him until at least five to ten years from now when all the smoke has cleared.
post #45 of 48
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I think there's a lot behind the scenes that we definitely won't know till years later. As for the dollar amount he supposedly demanded, it does seem pretty odd. But it doesn't seem necessarily out of character. He just got handed the worst Bond script in history and still turned it into the highest earner, which he did with all four of his films. I think perhaps he was done with the role, a bit disillusioned with the whole thing (he tried to get QT and various other directors but was rebuffed), and just figured "fuck it, I'll ask for a ton of money, if they give it to me awesome, if not, I'm tired of it all anyway".

It seems like they passed, though its almost sad that after all those years of Brosnan pushing for edgier, more intelligent script, and ultimately the use of "Casino Royale", they're going to do it all with a new actor.

And on that point, that is the worst picture of Daniel Craig I think you could ever hope to find. Watch the "Layer Cake" if you haven't already seen that film. He screams James Bond in every way. And I agree with Geoff, I sort of can't imagine them taking this many risky steps and then screwing the pooch again with the script. I really hope the Broccoli people are getting pushed to the side by the more powerful studio Sony. They actually got it very right with "Spider-Man", here's hoping they can do the same for Bond.
post #46 of 48


Weather-beaten Bond.
post #47 of 48
Worst script? A bad as Die another Day was, "Moonraker" and "View To A Kill" were even worse. At least DAD had a decent first quarter and the fencing scene was nice, the other two did'nt even have those minimal redeeming values.
About the only Actor I could justify giving 40 Million to for a single film would be Harrison Ford in Indy 4 because without him you don't have a film. I really don't think people will accept another actor as a grown up Indy. But they will accept recasting in the Bond films.
post #48 of 48
Very much agreed. It will be interesting to see though, how well the new actor (whoever it might be) is accepted. I think people will be hesitant at first, but if done right, will slowly catch on. I wouldn't expect Casino Royale to be an enormous hit though. It will do well, but latter installments will make more once audiences are used to Bond #6.
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