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post #1 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:12pm
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Well, the magazine that bashes Star Wars, its fans and Lucas like no other is certainly not above cashing in on the hype: They'll be offering as many as SIX (6) different covers of their next issue, which is naturally a SITH cover story.

I'm sure they'll be open-minded enough to count their cash. Then, when it's done they'll unload with both barrels as usual. You know, like when CLONES was considered a "box office dud" because it only made $300+ million. Or the fact that they can't seem to go more than 3 or 4 issues without referencing Jar Jar Binks... SIX YEARS later.

If they just stuck by their anti-SW guns that would be one thing. I'd respect that. But they want to do that AND cash-in on the hype when they can. Fuck these guys.
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post #2 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:19pm
Carl, you are now officially nuts.
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post #3 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:21pm
I bet George Lucas is fuming that a major magazine is featuring his film on the cover!
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post #4 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Carl, you are now officially nuts.
How so?

I admit to being somewhat biased toward EW, since they ripped me off in the past for some stuff I contributed (and took what I gave them and put their own biased spin on top of it). But what I posted above is fact.
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post #5 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
I bet George Lucas is fuming that a major magazine is featuring his film on the cover!
Oh, I'm sure Lucasfilm doesn't care. This was obviously an agreement between them and EW. I'm strictly speaking about EW's hypocrisy, which just annoys me.
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post #6 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:24pm
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By the way, thanks for posting your comments here instead of in some secret forum.
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post #7 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:28pm
They are a pop culture magazine. Jar Jar is an easy target that everyone knows, and Clones gross was seen as a disappointment by many. Star Wars used to be the series to beat BO style, that it got trumped by Spider-Man said something about the series.

That said, those are very "small picture" thoughts; they don't have an agenda, they're just snarky by nature. As a whole the magazine probably doesn't think about Star Wars as much as you do, and they also gave reasonable reviews to both AotC and TPM, and did a cover story on the DVD set along with giving it unfair high marks (wasn't it their best of the year? if not it was top ten for a set that disappointed everyone). The bottom line is they recognize SW as a pop culture phenom, but don't respect the PT. Much like a good chunk of the population. But you're attributing an ideology to a pop culture magazine. That's nuts.
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post #8 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:28pm
I cross posted mine in a secret forum.

And how is this hypocrisy? The magazine has an opionion section and it has a fluff section.

Blame Lucas for the Jar Jar references - he invented that shitty fucking character.
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post #9 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
By the way, thanks for posting your comments here instead of in some secret forum.
By the way, thanks for being a twat. I accept that you realize you've done lost the argument before it's started, and are going for lowblows to try and keep your diginity. Or at least that's how I read the above.
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post #10 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
The bottom line is they recognize SW as a pop culture phenom, but don't respect the PT. Much like a good chunk of the population. But you're attributing an ideology to a pop culture magazine. That's nuts.
Nah. It doesn't go that far or that deep. It's just very annoying. And I already admitted my personal bias toward them. This isn't in my head or made up. I know... I've worked with them before and still know one of their editors.

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Originally Posted by devincf
I cross posted mine in a secret forum.
No doubt.

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Originally Posted by devincf
And how is this hypocrisy? The magazine has an opinion section and it has a fluff section.
Yes, and the line between the two can become quite blurred at times. This happens with MUCH more than just SW, by the way. The personal opinions of the EW staff and editors can often affect their news coverage.

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Originally Posted by devincf
Blame Lucas for the Jar Jar references - he invented that shitty fucking character.
True. And I am certainly not defending the character. But Jar Jar Bashing is just so 1999.
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post #11 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
By the way, thanks for being a twat. I accept that you realize you've done lost the argument before it's started, and are going for lowblows to try and keep your diginity. Or at least that's how I read the above.
No, I was being sincere. And you know why.

By the way, what argument is there to lose? I have my opinion, you have yours. Simple.

Dignity? I've never had that among the Too Cool For School crowd you and Devin are a part of, if not the ringleaders. No loss there.
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post #12 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:40pm
Carl, are you off your meds today?
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post #13 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:41pm
EW sucks. We should sick Carl on them. Not Carl Cunningham, but rather his Star Wars namesake:

CARL!
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post #14 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:42pm
Devin...I have to ask....where the heck does your sig come from? It's frighteningly hilarious.
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post #15 of 62
3/25/05 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Carl, are you off your meds today?
Well, I did take them about an hour and a half late this morning.
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post #16 of 62
3/25/05 at 3:08pm
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By the way, thanks for posting your comments here instead of in some secret forum.
Aww, is that what's been happening? Shitty.

Carl, were you dealing with the editors, or the writers directly? I thought it was weird that I've noticed a lot of my favorite writers from HIP HOP magazines are the ones writing articles on Star Wars in the mainstream entertainment magazines. Cheo Coker and Harry Allen have done a couple, I believe both for EW and Premiere.

Still..I never really noticed that much negativity towards Star Wars in the mags, and even if there was--how can I blame them, really? Sure, Jar Jar jokes 6 years later are fucking tired--but most of the readers of that magazine haven't been swimming in them for the past 6 years online, either. They're probably still a little more fresh there. And it doesn't help that the character DOES suck.

I'm not surprised or angered that EW is trying to cash in. It's almost a mandatory thing, I'd be surprised if they didn't.

The thing to keep in mind is that people don't typically reference EW when they're formulating their own opinions and arguments. It's a light read with pretty pictures, and that's about it. Nothing to get TOO worked up over.

Although it does suck that responses to threads in here appear to be shuffled off and saved for places that most of us can't read em. Weak sauce, if that's the case.
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post #17 of 62
3/25/05 at 3:09pm
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It was the meds.
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post #18 of 62
3/25/05 at 3:59pm
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Two of the covers (there is one from each film):



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post #19 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:01pm
TheySureDon'tLikeToPutSpacesInBetweenTheirWordsOnT heCoverDoThey?
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post #20 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:03pm
awesome, i'll be sure to pick up this issue
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post #21 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:05pm
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Don't forget to buy all six!!!!

(kidding)
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post #22 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:08pm
MOTHERS OF DICK! A pop culture quiz?! I must know where I stand in the field of random popular references!

Better start practicing...

Three's Company! Richard Dreyfuss! The Kool-Aid Man! Taxi Driver! John Sununu!
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post #23 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by poopoodle
Wow. No Luke?
Guess not. Looks like Maul, Yoda, Anakin, Han, Vader, and Leia (in Slave garb, of course). I suppose Mark Hamill's visage doesn't sell as many magazines as these. Heh.
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post #24 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:18pm
No way would they use Luke from ROTS! Who wants to see a mini-Hamill covered in Portman sauce?
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post #25 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:19pm
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There is only one ROTS cover out of the six.
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post #26 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:34pm
Lets turn this thread around with some Focused Kit Fisto Discussion.
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post #27 of 62
3/25/05 at 4:59pm
I respect you ,Carl, buy devin's point about the difference in EW between the entertainment coverage and the opinion columns is well taken. It's not unusual for a Magazine to have a cover story on a movie, and when the movie comes out the Film Critic for the Magazine rips it apart. Happens all the time.
It's like the difference between the hard news section and the Op/Ed page in a newspaper..though there are a lot of instances where the line between the 2 gets lost. But really, this is nothing strange or unusual.
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post #28 of 62
3/25/05 at 5:00pm
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Discuss:
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post #29 of 62
3/25/05 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by dudalb
I respect you ,Carl, buy devin's point about the difference in EW between the entertainment coverage and the opinion columns is well taken. It's not unusual for a Magazine to have a cover story on a movie, and when the movie comes out the Film Critic for the Magazine rips it apart. Happens all the time.

It's like the difference between the hard news section and the Op/Ed page in a newspaper..though there are a lot of instances where the line between the 2 gets lost. But really, this is nothing strange or unusual.
Not to rehash the silly arguing that started this thread (which I will take responsibility for), but I was not at all referring to EW's actual reviews of the films. It's the editorializing and thinly-veiled jabs in their previous "news" pieces (both big and sidebar) that I was talking about.

No matter. I have said my piece on that. Moving on...
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post #30 of 62
3/25/05 at 6:05pm
As a whole, i think most of their reviews are just rehashed from everyone else in the media world. If Critics generally hate a movie, then EW will look mostly at the negatives in it and forget everything else. If critics love it, then it goes out of it's to make it as good as possible. It's kinda like that kid who changes his look every week in order to keep in the crowd. It's a pop culture rag, so i dont expect anything less from it. Not only are they cashing in, but Lucas is getting more exposure for the film. RofS hasnt been mentioned as much as i thought it would have been in the past couple of months. I think there's a lot more buzz about Sin City than Star Wars right now. On a side note, Lucas has sold out a long time ago. I remember when Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut all had those collectable cups out. The movie was on chip bags, sodas, candy, toys...everything. Hell, M&M's even have "72 Collectable Bags" featuring characters old and new. He's just trying to cash in as much as, because I truly believe there is no life after Star Wars for Lucas. Yea, EW sucks, but were you expecting anything less?
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post #31 of 62
3/25/05 at 6:21pm
I'm shocked thier not doing 6 covers featuring the cast of "Desperate Housewives" dressed up as "Star Wars" characters.
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post #32 of 62
3/25/05 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Luce Cannon
Lucas has sold out a long time ago
I don't think there any question about that. How else could you explain this...

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post #33 of 62
3/25/05 at 6:52pm
But the Episode III skittles are magnificent.
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post #34 of 62
3/26/05 at 12:42am
Entertainment Weekly is the same as Entertainment Tonight. Ass-kissy fluff, a repository of inane bullshit thats aimed directly at the home-bound slugs who are too fat to leave their house or someone who thinks "Friends" is funny.
They are not interested in the art of film, tv or music, but the lifestlye each creates, thus is why we get countless stories on Jennifer Lopez's ass and the people who love it..

The only thing worse I think is that hideous ghoul from E News Live that looks like a Mariah Carey/Uma Thurma shit-for-brains hybrid.

And Jules Asner, dumb fucking bitch.
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post #35 of 62
3/26/05 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham

If they just stuck by their anti-SW guns that would be one thing. I'd respect that. But they want to do that AND cash-in on the hype when they can. Fuck these guys.
That's called having integrity. When there is money to be made there is no room for that.
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post #36 of 62
3/26/05 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
Nah. It doesn't go that far or that deep. It's just very annoying. And I already admitted my personal bias toward them. This isn't in my head or made up. I know... I've worked with them before and still know one of their editors.
You know an editor who says the publication isn't a fan of the Star Wars. If you're questioning journalistic integrity, Star Wars is still news, therefore they should probably report it. I think you're pissed cause you're going to buy all six covers of a magazine that belittled your opinion.
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post #37 of 62
3/26/05 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Entertainment Weekly is the same as Entertainment Tonight. Ass-kissy fluff, a repository of inane bullshit thats aimed directly at the home-bound slugs who are too fat to leave their house or someone who thinks "Friends" is funny.
They are not interested in the art of film, tv or music, but the lifestlye each creates, thus is why we get countless stories on Jennifer Lopez's ass and the people who love it..

The only thing worse I think is that hideous ghoul from E News Live that looks like a Mariah Carey/Uma Thurma shit-for-brains hybrid.

And Jules Asner, dumb fucking bitch.
Best post of the thread thus far kudos to you Zod.
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post #38 of 62
3/26/05 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
You know an editor who says the publication isn't a fan of the Star Wars. If you're questioning journalistic integrity, Star Wars is still news, therefore they should probably report it. I think you're pissed cause you're going to buy all six covers of a magazine that belittled your opinion.
Ridiculous. You had to get just one more dig in? Move on.

I hadn't read EW in a loooooong time, but I flipped through a recent issue I found at work...wow, it's trash.
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post #39 of 62
3/26/05 at 1:36am
Actually I was busy all day, and responding to the last post that was in response to me, but thanks for playing.
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post #40 of 62
3/26/05 at 3:01am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
You know an editor who says the publication isn't a fan of the Star Wars. If you're questioning journalistic integrity, Star Wars is still news, therefore they should probably report it. I think you're pissed cause you're going to buy all six covers of a magazine that belittled your opinion.
Actually, they didn't belittle me at all. I'm pissed at them because they still owe me $$ for freelance stuff (as well as them taking some of what I provided and "editing" it so that it fits in with their P.O.V instead of just going with plain ole facts). And I won't purchase a single copy. Incidentally, they are still cool enough to send me a gratis issue every week. And one is enough for me.

By the way, there really isn't much Star Wars content in this issue at all. A short, semi-interesting article on the 3-D thing in "News & Notes" and a super-lame SW "Trivia" section. And the "Secrets of ROTS" thing is actually the smallest of sidebars. That be it. Which makes the whoring of the covers even more interesting.

Now, was there anything else? Can I humor you some more?
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post #41 of 62
3/26/05 at 3:20am
Is it just me or does anakin look like hes about to fuck that red m&m up?


Just a thought.
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post #42 of 62
3/26/05 at 3:43am
I just saw the multiple covers at Borders. The Leia one is yummy. But dammit it, the contents don't live up to the covers. It's just a damn 3-D update and moronic trivia.
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post #43 of 62
3/26/05 at 3:55am
EW is hardly the first to do this Carl, if you read EGM before Enter the Matrix was released they hyped it up then gave it low marks which they later said were too high, they do it with a bunch of cover story magazines, most times EW will have an article on a film/actor in a current film and in the same issue give it low marks, it's nothing new.........

Edit: So...........is Wat Tambor on one of the alternative covers?
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post #44 of 62
3/26/05 at 10:26am
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No Wat Tambor cover.

Yet more reason to dislike EW.
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post #45 of 62
3/27/05 at 4:26pm
I enjoy checking out EW on the news-stand occasionally but it's usually frustrating in that any of the interesting articles leave me wanting more information.

They always do a cover story for the big-budget actioners (Star Wars, Van Helsing, you name it). And a few weeks later the movie is reviewed with a C- or D. I'm sure they can't be worried about being thought of as sell-out whores by now. They've been doing it for so long. How could one continue to work for the magazine without having a thick skin about it?
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post #46 of 62
3/27/05 at 5:24pm
All things considered, the Han Solo cover I got in the mail is pretty darn cool.
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post #47 of 62
3/28/05 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Actually I was busy all day, and responding to the last post that was in response to me, but thanks for playing.
Whatever. You hit him after the bell rang.
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post #48 of 62
3/31/05 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Carl, you are now officially nuts.
He's crazy like a f'n Gungan! BUT he's right on the money! I'm with Carl on this one.
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post #49 of 62
3/31/05 at 9:58am
I wonder how many of these articles are going to be titled along the lines of 'SITH Happens', 'SITH!... or get off the pot' or 'Holy SITH!!! It's another Star Wars movie!', or other such 'hilarious' grammatical jiggery-pokery.
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post #50 of 62
3/31/05 at 10:46am
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No doubt some will. But "Sith Happens" is already old. Lucasfilm and ILM have been using that internally for a while. I have two different ILM crew shirts with "Sith Happens" on them. And I know of at least one licensee who will be making "Sith Happens" stuff for sale.
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