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post #51 of 67
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Originally Posted by coffnrock
"blue on blue" ? What the fuck you talking about...on my end of things it's blue on black and it appears perfectly legible to me. Also...Cap'n ? Take a moment some time and look up "inane." You are clearly confused as to its meaning.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inane

Nah, that's the word I was looking for. Thanks anyways.
post #52 of 67
Hey Guys, Jawas are pretty cool aren't they?

Seriously why the hate?
post #53 of 67
One Sith apprentice is shown using a power that only a Sith master had shown before. Other Sith apprentices aren't shown using this power. That's inconsistent. All Jedi and Sith use lightsabers. That's consistent. I think you're simply assuming that by "inconsistent" I mean "bad." I don't.

It's not inconsistent because one sith apprentice is old, wise, and implied to be more powerful in the force, while the other is shown to be young, rash, and more adept with a lightsaber. It would be inconsistent if both apprentices were either old, wise, and powerful in the force or young, rash, and more adept with a lightsaber.
post #54 of 67
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
There are people on both sides that need to get bent, period.
Possibly, but the presence of one side on forums and threads devoted to Star Wars is more understandable than the continued presence of the other side.
post #55 of 67
coffnrock... coffnrock. You can contribute to these threads without picking fights, you know.
post #56 of 67
Seriously. The foam rubber idea is aces.
post #57 of 67
communist?
God Lucas?
Lucaphiles(sp)?
post #58 of 67
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Originally Posted by Ben Moore
[i]It's not inconsistent because one sith apprentice is old, wise, and implied to be more powerful in the force, while the other is shown to be young, rash, and more adept with a lightsaber. It would be inconsistent if both apprentices were either old, wise, and powerful in the force or young, rash, and more adept with a lightsaber.
Just curious but how do you know how "old and wise" Maul is in relation to Dooku? I'm not talking about Ray Park's age versus Christopher Lee's age. I'm talking about two different fictional races in the STAR WARS Universe who could be ANY age despite their physical appearance.

Also, Vader is supposed to be the most powerful of all Jedi/Sith and in the end, he proves that prophecy true by giving ol' Palps the heave-ho. So certainly he would have the Force potential. As far as experience, well, I don't think it's possible for anyone to tell what each of these Sith apprentices' backgrounds are as (aside from Vader) we don't really get to fully explore their backstories in the films. And we never got to really see Anakin train in the ways of the Force the same way we got to see Luke do in STAR WARS and EMPIRE. I'm not sure (nor care) what EU sources have to say about all this since I'm only discussing the films.

Again, I'm not trying to conclusively prove one theory over another. I'm just saying the possiblity is there for almost anything.
post #59 of 67
I love the prequels. Maybe that makes me an apologist, but so be it.

I really hate when people go: "Oh it sucked that Anakin wore a blue shirt, if he had a purple top and blah blah" and then launch into some fanfic crap that they dreamed up. Then act like Lucas shit on their face because he didn't make a movie like that.


Anyway, tonight at midnight I'm going to the local toys r us to drop an ungodly amount of money on new figures from ROTS, anyone else going tonight? Look! It's Obi Wan...with new beard!
post #60 of 67
Ditto, RJ.

Let's kill'em with positive vibes only.
post #61 of 67
Amen, R-jesus...
post #62 of 67
Now you see I think that you are imbuing your own feelings onto these films.... to say that the PT is not competent film making is a little harsh. George Lucas is a master filmmaker (his writing is a different matter) and cinematographer. Say what you like about the plots but I will defend the nuts and bolts of the PT to the very end as I think they are some of the most classily made films of the last decade and on a pure visual and kinetic level stand up to the likes of Oldboy and LotR as technical movies.

I have my grievances with the dialouge and some story elements (namely Anakin destroying the Trade Ship by accident) but I still have a love for the PT due to the little things... such as the subtleties of Darth Maul (his brief use of force power to open the door is simply fantastic as it seems so natural).

Then again I once again say this as a child born in 1985 who only experience the OT on VHS and who has the PT as his primary Star Wars trilogy.

On the whole it just seems like a lot of fans are whiny because Lucas didn't make a film specifically for them. Lucas made a film for kids, just as he did with the OT, and if you ask any kid what their fav. Star Wars movie is chances are they will name either AotC or Return of the Jedi simply because they offer the high adventure and fantastic elements that kids rely on.
post #63 of 67
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Originally Posted by coffnrock
In the three years since I posted that. My opinion hasn't changed one damn bit.


And neither has your intellect (or your grasp of common grammar.)
And for the last time, it isn't a case of Lucas not making the movies I want to see, it's a case of Lucas not making prequels that rise to even the lowest level of competent film-making.
And for the first time (for me), it is a case of Lucas not making the movies you want to see.
Why do you think that your opinion of the prequels reflects the objective reality of the situation?
No one has the authority to set universal standards for how films should be judged.
Many agree with you, surely, but many disagree.

If you can't change the way you think about this, then you will have to accept that from your point
of view, many of us greatly admire films that are below the lowest level of competent film-making.
If that is the case, we have that right, and it is time for you to leave us alone about it.

But I doubt that was really the last time.
post #64 of 67
Incorrigible.
post #65 of 67
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Originally Posted by Chris Hill
And for the first time (for me), it is a case of Lucas not making the movies you want to see.
Why do you think that your opinion of the prequels reflects the objective reality of the situation?
No one has the authority to set universal standards for how films should be judged.
Many agree with you, surely, but many disagree.

If you can't change the way you think about this, then you will have to accept that from your point
of view, many of us greatly admire films that are below the lowest level of competent film-making.
If that is the case, we have that right, and it is time for you to leave us alone about it.

But I doubt that was really the last time.


I really wish these never ending "fights" and nitpicks would end. When it boils down to it really, as long as you like the movie, book, song, tv show, whatever...who the heck cares what other people think? Sure, you can try to tell someone why you like it, but if they still don't like it themselves (which of course is their right) then let it be. Why waste your time trying to convince someone you've never met to like something they never will like? And vice versa...why to convince someone to hate something when they like it???

A debate is ok, but this stuff is a total waste of time...although it can be funny for people to read sometimes.
post #66 of 67
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Originally Posted by Carl Cunningham
Incorrigible.

Indubitably!
post #67 of 67
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Originally Posted by coffnrock
As soon as one of you apologists can sack up and declare that the movies are inferior in almost every way imaginable, including plotting, acting, character development, etc, then the argument will have reached its conclusion for me. If and when you're able to see the things with some kind of objectivity (and, sorry kiddos, there goddamn well right is an accepted standard for what constitutes competent film-making), if you blind-ass fanboys can do that, then whatever you say after that in regards of your love affair with these movies is fine and dandy. I have said repeatedly that I do not begrudge anyone for enjoying these movies, just as long as you cease this infantile idea that because you've found a way to embrace the films does not automatically make them cinematic masterpieces.

It's pretty fucking simple people: I myself have tremendous regard for a few films that nobody is ever going to list amongst the most accomplished movies, but I don't go around defending them because at the end of the day, I could give two fucks what anyone else thinks of my guilty pleasures and fer fuck's sake, whatever I feel about the prequels shouldn't mean two fucks to any apologist either.

Dude, get it through your head, your opinion is NOT FACT. What gives you the right to castigate those who happen to dig these flicks? What the hell does competent film-making even mean? Again, it's all personal opinion. I don't recall anyone calling these flicks masterpieces so give that a rest, please. If you want people to stop hating you, loss the holier-than-thou indignation and accept the fact that NOT everyone agrees with you. The louder you scream, the less you will be heard.


End of story.
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