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post #1 of 37
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Granted I was loaded with some questionable substances over the weekend and that always tends to skew one’s opinion on a movie, but I reckon I would have loved Napoleon Dynamite stone straight.

At times excruciatingly funny, at others both touching and heartbreaking – the question that kept popping up all night amongst us was “is this director taking more drugs than we are?”

I thought Jon Heder’s performance as the bullied, skewed and lonely Napoleon (a hyper-real character I think everyone can in some way identify with) was nothing short of perfection. As for the guy (whose name I can’t remember) that played Pedro, I laughed from the first minute.

Also, did anyone else get the feeling that there was something vaguely disturbing, perhaps even sinister lurking just beyond the grasp of understanding? I know everyone that watched it with me held a similar view.

For a low budget film I thought the production standards (especially the sound and camerawork) were nothing short of first class.

One of the best I’ve seen this year, without doubt.
post #2 of 37
Geoff Fisher, for someone whose posts I've admired for their comedic content (namely the 5-year-old burly brawl discussion), I have to question your taste in comedies. Napolean Dynamite is baaaaaad with a hundred A's. I will unabashedly admit to chuckling (out loud) to the first joke: "whatever i feel like doing, gosh." After that, however, the film is a meandering, aimless, unfocused pile of poo. That's not even the biggest problem, though. The biggest problem is that tone to which you alluded that is crawling underneath the surface. There is a real ugliness, a thinly veiled contempt and mean-spiritedness toward the characters. I found it nigh on unwatchable.
post #3 of 37
I thought this film was crap. I agree with the dude above, Napoleon was funny for the first few 'jokes' or scenes, then you quickly realize it's the same fucking 'joke' playing over and over again in for the rest of the film. I'm sure all the Hot Topic shoppin' kids loved it though.... ::shudder::
post #4 of 37
This has got to be the most love it or hate it movie of all time. It's not much of a surprise that the opinion is so split. It belongs to the most subjective of genres: the extreme deadpan comedy. I personally dug the whole thing from beginning to end. I didn't get the mean-spirited vibe at all. I'm glad it's become the cultural phenomenon it has.
post #5 of 37
I dug it. Other's didn't. Whatever.
post #6 of 37
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Originally Posted by Dannychico
The biggest problem is that tone to which you alluded that is crawling underneath the surface. There is a real ugliness, a thinly veiled contempt and mean-spiritedness toward the characters. I found it nigh on unwatchable.
I agree that there is a disquieting ugliness lurking just beneath the surface of the movie. I think it was the appearance of the Uncle Rico character that really triggered my suspicions. If squirming around like a sleazy, middle-aged lothario isn’t unsettling enough, his condescending (bordering on something a little more sinister) demeanor toward the brothers left me feeling uncomfortable at times. Indeed, more than a couple of us felt that there was something very wrong about that family unit – with theories ranging from the suggestion of physical abuse right up to incest*. And it’s not just Napoleon’s family that receives an almost sadistic kicking from the director. Pedro, Summer and Deb all seem as if they’ve been plucked out of God’s “damaged goods” bin without permission.

Another thing that struck me was the overwhelming shabbiness of the world Hess paints. The hideous wallpapers, the clapped-out cars and vans, the tasteless clothes and hairstyles, the rinky-dink school dance with its limp decorations and tawdry lighting. To me the whole thing seemed like a hellish village for the damned.

At more than one point in the movie I was torn between the thoughts “this is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in years” and “stop laughing because this REALLY isn’t the kind of thing one should be laughing at”.

Certainly I feel Napoleon Dynamite is far beyond the “Geek Triumph” genre many people want to lump it into. Whilst at heart it is without doubt a Fairy Tale (of the Brothers Grimm stable), I think also it is a bitter and often cheerless examination of the horrors of family dysfunction and the miserable social excommunication that often flows from it. I defy anyone not to empathise with Napoleon when he stands beating the tethered ball (badly) with an expression of frustration, depression and aching loneliness painted across his face.

I know there’s a lot of seething antipathy for ND, but I’ve got to say it put the hook in me from the first minute and from then on I was caught. Without doubt I shall watch it over and over again.

* For those who have seen the twisted and bizarre British TV comedy The League of Gentlemen, does anyone else feel there is more than a touch of Royston Vasey about the whole movie?)
post #7 of 37
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Originally Posted by Dannychico
Geoff Fisher, for someone whose posts I've admired for their comedic content (namely the 5-year-old burly brawl discussion), I have to question your taste in comedies. Napolean Dynamite is baaaaaad with a hundred A's. I will unabashedly admit to chuckling (out loud) to the first joke: "whatever i feel like doing, gosh." After that, however, the film is a meandering, aimless, unfocused pile of poo. That's not even the biggest problem, though. The biggest problem is that tone to which you alluded that is crawling underneath the surface. There is a real ugliness, a thinly veiled contempt and mean-spiritedness toward the characters. I found it nigh on unwatchable.
Seconded.

The indie-film posing annoyed me a lot too, trying to look all cool and weird, with an obviously moderate MTV budget behind it. Using 80's pop culture and style to add an air of nostalgia to it for no reason whatsoever, its a shame, that we've come to constructing 'indie-films' like they were a boy band or something.
post #8 of 37
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Seconded.

The indie-film posing annoyed me a lot too, trying to look all cool and weird, with an obviously moderate MTV budget behind it. Using 80's pop culture and style to add an air of nostalgia to it for no reason whatsoever, its a shame, that we've come to constructing 'indie-films' like they were a boy band or something.
I think the "indie film posing" accusation is a touch harsh, tbh. BOM says the production budget for the movie was $400,000, which is hardly lavish, even for a TV production. According to IMDB, Hess edited the whole thing on a home PC.
post #9 of 37
I like your thinking, Geoff. With a few tweaks the whole film could easily be an unsettling horror piece. And about the home PC thing - it shows. It has absolutely HORRID pacing.
post #10 of 37
Whe whole of what I saw (didn't watch the whole thing) seemed weird and ugly just for the sake of being weird and ugly. I think Napolean Dynamite really wanted to be a Wes Anderson movie, but it didn't have the underlying sweetness that made all the charcter faults and quirkines in a movie like Rushmore appealing.

Maybe what I'll revisit the movie to better judge the whole thing later, but at the time I didn't feel like watching a bunch of pathetic maladjusted characters exist in their ugly world for no reason.
post #11 of 37
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What I do strongly take issue with is the accusation that has been leveled by a number of people on this board that the film is “loser chic”. In my opinion there was precious little glorification of “losers” in the movie. At times Hess’s treatment of the misfits was pretty painful, whilst at others I felt he demonstrated a warm degree of sympathy. Certainly it made me wonder about my days at school and whether I’d done enough to help those Napoleon Dynamite types who always seemed to haunt the hallways and playgrounds mocked, dejected and ostracized. At the time it was always easier to fall in with the popular opinion that such "weirdos" were best given a wide berth. Now the foolishness and cruelty of that stance is all too apparent. A guilty conscience can lay heavy on the heart.

In my mind, (a personal opinion of course), it seems pretty obvious that Napoleon is not simply “a loser geek”. I think there’s strong evidence to support the argument that he suffers from mental illness, probably Asperger’s Syndrome or what was once called Walter Mittee Syndrome – constructing elaborate fantasy scenarios in the mind that can be escaped to when “real life” becomes too difficult to bear. Like many sufferers, Napoleon is extremely awkward in social situations and finds it very difficult to make friends with people who aren’t similarly ostracized. In school he draws pictures of unicorns or “Ligers” (a cross between a Tiger and a Lion, known for magical powers), in a file that is covered with more pictures of rocket ships. When he’s not drawing he’s regaling others with far-fetched fantasy tales of how he defeated 50 wolverines in Alaska with a 12 gauge or how he was invited, on the strength of his bowstaff skills, to join a popular gang at school. All of these mental escapes are designed to impress others and thus (hopefully) promote his miserable standing in the school hierarchy. Of course, the reality is that they are entirely counterproductive. Instead of making him look “cool” they merely reinforce the popular opinion that he is simply an eccentric weirdo, best avoided (the opening line spoken to him on the bus is “So, what are you going to do today, Napoleon?).

Napoleon’s attitude to girls is straightforward and quite sad: only men with skills can woo them – “You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.” At no point does personality come into it, because he feels he doesn’t have a strong enough one to ever compete with those of the cool kids around him. Interestingly, a third into the movie we learn that one of Napoleon’s skills is the ability to dance. It is at this point the director lays the foundations for what I think is a very dark twist at the end of the movie. Throughout the film the point is hammered home that Napoleon has little to no coordination. He’s forever falling on his backside, hopelessly missing the tethered ball, crashing painfully off bikes etc. Yet, at the end of the movie he is suddenly transformed, (just like the ugly ducking) into a strutting Disco God, whose swaying hips and lithe moves win the entire school’s favour (and the heart of the girl he secretly likes) in under two minutes. Could it be that we are in fact witnessing one of Napoleon’s delusional escapes from reality?

I think, given the evidence, this rather downbeat assessment is very plausible. But even if it isn’t the case (Hess, in the tradition of most good writer directors, has played his cards very close to his chest about the movie) I think NP is still far more complex and sophisticated than many people give credit. Certainly this superb (and I use that word with caution these days) piece of work demands repeat viewing.
post #12 of 37
I'm in love with this film. One of the few I'd be willing to watch multiple times.

Yeah, I have to agree though, it's gotta be the king of division. Completely adore or just want to shit upon a copy of it. I know many people on both sides.
post #13 of 37
I saw this movie the week of its expanded release, and I was excited as hell. I had heard great things, and while the preview that I saw didn't prove to be amazing, I still held out hope. From the first scene on I disliked it. Poor pacing, bad characters, cheesy design, whatever you want to call it, it just wasn't funny. The movie reminded me of when certain kids in high school got a hold of those 80's vests with the awful color schemes, in fact I think that there's one in the movie, it had the idea of a joke, but it never really worked as one. I got what was supposed to be funny, but I can still say that I didn't "get" the jokes. Initially, I hated the movie; I saw it as the sort of scum that should never have been made. After a while I had cooled down and realized that, while I would have still prefered that it had never been made, I was okay with its existence. I'm okay with Napoleon Dynamite, and I don't just mean Elvis Costello, but I understand why people hate it. I've found that I actually enjoy the jokes more coming from other people's mouths, though I don't enjoy the amount of times that they say them. Someone on these boards summed up my feelings when they said, "I wish I had seen the same movie that everyone else did."
post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
I think the "indie film posing" accusation is a touch harsh, tbh. BOM says the production budget for the movie was $400,000, which is hardly lavish, even for a TV production. According to IMDB, Hess edited the whole thing on a home PC.
that seems a bit odd, seeing as how much money that just the opening credits seems to cost. not to mention getting it to the studio, and getting them to blow it up to 35mm costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, then getting a big enough distribution to pull in $44 million in the states alone. seems they are down playing all that stuff to say the price of what is actually on screen. when an indie movie like Swingers, which is well loved and has a big following only has a $4 million gross, you can tell which one did it the indie way and which one had major studio backing.
post #15 of 37
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Originally Posted by SPEEDRAZOR
that seems a bit odd, seeing as how much money that just the opening credits seems to cost.
I can't imagine the opening credits to ND were expensive. How much does a hand, 15 dishes, meals and tablecloths, and someone who's useful with an icing pipe cost?

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not to mention getting it to the studio, and getting them to blow it up to 35mm costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, then getting a big enough distribution to pull in $44 million in the states alone. seems they are down playing all that stuff to say the price of what is actually on screen. when an indie movie like Swingers, which is well loved and has a big following only has a $4 million gross, you can tell which one did it the indie way and which one had major studio backing.
There’s no doubt that ND had a good deal of expensive backing to distribute the movie, but surely the point is it only secured that investment on its own merits? There’s no way FOX or anyone else is going to toss money like confetti at a low-budget movie unless they think it demonstrates some worth. To me it is nonsensical to argue that ND (for which Heder was paid a paltry $1000) isn’t a genuine low-budget film simply because the major studios (who it seems weren’t involved previously) jumped in at the last minute to distribute the movie and make some easy money.
post #16 of 37
I finally saw this, after much hype (and counter-hype.) And it was just alright. Not terribly original, but it had a certain weird rural charm that was effective. I can see why this was more popular than Rushmore, even if I think that Rushmore is a much better film. Not into the bad '80s synth ballads though. That part felt completely forced.

I don't get the contempt for the characters issue that was raised in this thread though.
post #17 of 37
What the fuck? Did you guys watch the same movie as me? Thinly-veiled horror? Contempt? No redeeming sweetness?

It's a completely happy ending. Napoleon gets the girl. Kip gets married. Pedro wins the Student Council seat. Were you guys taking a shit during the part where Napoleon dances his dick off to save Pedro's speech? The ovation and Pedro's reaction is one of the sweetest things I've seen in American cinema in years. This is a film about misunderstood, geeky kids triumphing in the face of comical adversity. There's nothing sinister here. Uncle Rico isn't a pederast, he's a caricature of what we refer to as a "high-school harry", a guy with no adult prospects stuck in the past. It's tragic in a way, but Rico is hilarious and mostly harmless. Napoleon and co. get bullied around, but it's funny...he gets his tots kicked...whoop de doo. There's no implied drug use or violence at the school. It's a fantasy land of trapper keepers, glamour shots and other early 90's iconography which resonated strongly with people my age because we were in school at that time, and we were surrounded by that shit. At least, in central Indiana we were.

Geoff, you bring up some interesting points, but I think you're off-base. I've seen this film like 10 times (I too, absolutely love it) and it's never registered as anything beyond purely innocent and queerly charming.
post #18 of 37
I thought I was going to hate this movie but ended up laughing a good number of times. Jonathan Gries has gone from being the white guy on "Martin" to the time traveling uncle in DYNAMITE in my mind.
post #19 of 37
Thanks for clearing up the fog, Gist. I think some people are reading far too much into this movie than there actually is. This is an extremely simple story with extremely simple characters and extremely simple motivations. It laughs in the face of Film School analytical posturing. Just relax and enjoy the damn thing or use it as a coaster.


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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
I think also it is a bitter and often cheerless examination of the horrors of family dysfunction and the miserable social excommunication that often flows from it. I defy anyone not to empathise with Napoleon when he stands beating the tethered ball (badly) with an expression of frustration, depression and aching loneliness painted across his face.
The fuck?
post #20 of 37
Napoleon Dynamite is a kid's film. Its an innocently distilled, almost fairytale-like interpretation of high school life in the rural mid-west. The teen angst is real, but also way played down in terms of its depravity, something actual high school students tend to revel in (and recognize as a real part of high school life.) Younger kids, so media savvy at such a young age, can relate to this film better than most as a story about their (possible) near future in secondary school. Whereas most adults and adolescents can view the film as a whimsical escapist's take on their awkward years. The Wes Anderson type aesthetic is what adds a layer of visual sophistication to the film, not common in kid's films.

When viewed in those terms, Napoleon's fanciful drawings of mystical beasts and the corny student body turnaround after the big speech/dance make a lot more sense, as does the strange behavior of the uncle. From an adult perspective (who's watched one too many episodes of Law & Order: Sexy Violence Unit,) he came off as veering into pedophile territory. But ultimately he's a mean foil of a character who resents youth (Napoleon,) lives in the past of his glory days, and is trying to swipe a profit off the insecurity of girls with breast size issues. He's slightly absurdist too, but then again so is everyone in the film.
post #21 of 37
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This is a film about misunderstood, geeky kids triumphing in the face of comical adversity. There's nothing sinister here.
Napoleon is hardly a misunderstood geeky kid. He's a textbook example of a mentally disturbed person. It's not that he's just socially awkward. He must be around 16 years old and acts and thinks like an 8 year old.
post #22 of 37
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Napoleon is hardly a misunderstood geeky kid. He's a textbook example of a mentally disturbed person. It's not that he's just socially awkward. He must be around 16 years old and acts and thinks like an 8 year old.

Textbook Example? How long has it been since any of you guys have been in a high school? He's an awkward teenager with a few self-esteem issues. He's almost every kid in high school. He really wants to fit in but he tries too hard. He's afraid to be himself. Gist totally got the point. And honestly, it seems a little elitist and judgemental to start calling him Mentally Disturbed, or say he has some type of Illness. He's a TEENAGER. Sure he's kinda quirky, but he's just a regular awkward kid. But, that's just me.

Edit: Finally hit 100 Posts, woohoo!
post #23 of 37
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Originally Posted by Gist
It's a completely happy ending. Napoleon gets the girl. Kip gets married. Pedro wins the Student Council seat. Were you guys taking a shit during the part where Napoleon dances his dick off to save Pedro's speech? The ovation and Pedro's reaction is one of the sweetest things I've seen in American cinema in years. This is a film about misunderstood, geeky kids triumphing in the face of comical adversity.
That's my main problem with it. There's no reason to like these characters and hope they triumph in the end. If these kids went to my high school, I would probably treat them like everyone else did because they're ridiculously out of touch with the world.

At the beginning of Spring semester here, you couldn't go anywhere without hearing someone quoting the movie. It still happens but to a much lesser degree now. One of the main ones I heard was the "I see you're drinking whole milk" thing. These people aren't laughing because they identify with Napoleon's awkwardness with girls and want him to get Deb; they're laughing at how pathetic a person he is to use a line like that. The same thing with the part at the dance where he compliments her sleeves. Her sleeves are poofy and hideous. We all know that and that's why it's funny. That's not very sweet to me.
post #24 of 37
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Textbook Example? How long has it been since any of you guys have been in a high school? He's an awkward teenager with a few self-esteem issues. He's almost every kid in high school. He really wants to fit in but he tries too hard. He's afraid to be himself. Gist totally got the point. And honestly, it seems a little elitist and judgemental to start calling him Mentally Disturbed, or say he has some type of Illness. He's a TEENAGER. Sure he's kinda quirky, but he's just a regular awkward kid. But, that's just me.

Edit: Finally hit 100 Posts, woohoo!
Intended by the writing team or not - Napoleon does exhibit symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome.
post #25 of 37
He's sixteen years old. He displays no ability to interact out of an infantile level. He carries WWF action figures with him, ties them to a string and throws them off the side of his schoolbus. He seriously believes that girls like guys with ninja skills. He makes up stories about gangs wanting him for being good with the bo staff. He honestly belives he's a great artist. He honestly belives that his storis about shooting wolverines are believable and will give him credibility.

The kid's a mess, not just a nerd. He thinks and acts like a small child, not like someone who likes Star Trek and thinks jocks are stupid.
post #26 of 37
I love the movie. I got to see it at a screening in May 2003 in Atlanta about 3 weeks before it opened. I also got a free "VOTE FOR PEDRO" ringer tee, which draws some good reactions from people when I wear it.

Also, I read that director Jared Hess and star Jon Heder met each other while attending Brigham Young University. The fact that the movie portrays high school life with no drugs, language or excessive violence is a welcome relief.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/ndsound.php
post #27 of 37
I thought the movie was great, and still find it funny having seen it about 4 or 5 times. There was a really weird reaction from a lot of people as soon as the hype started spreading. It was predictable backlash, but it kept getting out of hand and people kept bringing things to the film that simply aren't there. This is one of those things I was glad that I got to see an early screening of, before MTV was attached to distribute and before every kid in town was running around saying "Dang!" because I imagine all of that would have colored my view of the flick too.

It's hard if not impssible to see things like this in a vacuum. A lot of people hate pop music simply because it's pop music. People flock to Will Smith movies just because they are Will Smith movies. And people will make up their minds about a film like this just because it seems to be the spawn of satanic marketing mooks at MTV. The fact is that nothing is further from the truth. The film was made in a truly indipendent way without studio backing or interference. Fox had a brilliant marketing strategy of letting tens of thousands of people see the movie for free (with free t-shirts) which helped it gain the momentum it needed. The humor and characters are oddly displaced in time, making them relatable to people who went through that awkward period (junior high) in the 80s but also to people going through it now. All in all, it's just a fun little film, and it's fine if people don't like it, but a lot of people seem to not like it for reasons that are not in the film. Perception is a bitch.
post #28 of 37
For the record, I liked it.
post #29 of 37
My sister refused to see this because she claimed she didn't laugh at any of the previews and also when she was shown some clips from the film online whilst babysitting a teenage girl.

But, she's already refusing to see films when she's seen the previews for them too many times or purposely not seeing films that star Russell Crowe or Ben Stiller because she finds them repulsive. Yet, she thinks Willem Dafoe is gorgeous?!
post #30 of 37
I constantly recommend this film. I first started recommending it because I liked it. When every other person I pimped it to told me they hated it, or thought it wasn't funny, I continued to recommend it as sort of my own experiment.

It broke down like this: my city raised friends hated it and my small town friends loved it. I'm one of the latter.

It had that small town, time warp feeling. If you're from a small town, you know that change is glaciel. Kip and Uncle Rico are real people. So is Napoleon. Sure there is some embellishment, but it's a freakin' movie so chalk that up to "art."

What I'm saying is, I know those people. I know that town. Isolation tends to accentuate quirkiness.

But those who think the characters were treated with contempt saw a different movie than I did. They were treated like real people: fucked up in a funny way, for sure, but not beyond redemption.
post #31 of 37
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It broke down like this: my city raised friends hated it and my small town friends loved it. I'm one of the latter.
Yup. That's been my experience too. If you're from a small town, you know the stuff in the movie is dead-on. If you're not, you like it about as much as Nunziata.
post #32 of 37
I didn't find it all that funny, but I enjoyed it for what it was. Offbeat and absurdist appeal to me, so even though it didn't have any deeper meaning or emphasis like last year's real off-the-cuff indie, I Heart Huckabees, I was solidly involved for the brief running time it took up.

Really don't understand where all this subtext and extrapolation is coming from though. Like Gist said, you guys are really applying your own ideas and theories to a film that really doesn't have them or need them. There is no deeper message going on here, no sinister commentary or cruel irony, it's just an idea the filmmakers thought would make a funny movie, some of it probably drawn from real experiences, and filmed as such. It's a piece of fluff comedy. Just because it was shot on less than half a million dollars doesn't mean it's some subversive transcendent work of art.

I mean, the way some of you guys are analyzing things, you might as well make the connection that the point of Ghostbusters is about four smart losers who use their brains to discover their masculinity (as represented by the phallic nature of the proton packs). Just because you can makes connection to your theories doesn't mean the film actually supports it.
post #33 of 37
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I mean, the way some of you guys are analyzing things, you might as well make the connection that the point of Ghostbusters is about four smart losers who use their brains to discover their masculinity (as represented by the phallic nature of the proton packs).
Actually, it's about four guys using the power of God to beat their homosexual tendencies.

They sleep in the same room, wave phallic objects at each other and all the women they meet are monsters: The old librarian ghost, Zuul, Sigourney Weaver turning, literally, into a vicious bitch.

In the end, they transcend liberal, godless science ("are you a god?", "no"), cross the streams, which science tells them it's a no-no and through faith beat the stay puft marshmallow man. Who is of course a blatantly gay icon, being a huge sailor and whatnot.
post #34 of 37
My wife is from a small town and hated the movie as much, if not more, than I did.
post #35 of 37
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My wife is from a small town and hated the movie as much, if not more, than I did.
Thus disproving my very scientific study.

It was just an observation. I'm sure there are city folk who love it.
post #36 of 37

Bump.

 

So, let my just start out by saying I really don't like the film that much, but after seeing that the new Napoleon Dynamite cartoon was produced by some ex Simpsons people, I figured I'd give it a go. Not sure why this was made, or what the opinion around here of it is, but it's an absolute mess. I can't understand why you would revive something like it. I honestly don't know who it's for. The pacing is awful. The slowness of the characters (and the movie) is so completely unsuited to animation. The point of the characters, the joke was that they were in-active, they were un-animated, so to put them in an animation makes your show look either poorly timed or cheap, because you basically have drawings standing still while voices drone over them.

 

Tonally it seems to be trying to find a place between King of the Hill and Family Guy - it has some especially weird moments, involving ghosts and a bear on a bicycle - things, in theory, I'd probably like, but the characters are so charmless and borderline psychotic, that you can't invest in it. I think the distance the animation creates also hilights the entirely too disturbing nature of Napoleon and his family, there's something that could work in that, looking at something like the BBC show League of Gentleman, but again, it falls flat on it's face.

 

I know a lot of these problems could be attributed to the movie itself, and I'd agree, but it just doesn't work as an animation. I'm really hoping this dies a horrible death and the infinitely better Bob's Burgers gets renewed for another 3 seasons.


Edited by SeanCE - 2/14/12 at 3:04pm
post #37 of 37

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Originally Posted by mastronikolas View Post
and through faith beat the stay puft marshmallow man. Who is of course a blatantly gay icon, being a huge sailor and whatnot.


You forgot to mention the "money shot/s".

 

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