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post #1 of 123
4/16/05 at 3:37pm
Thread Starter 
I logged in and saw two threads that should have been submitted as news today alone. I'm sort of curious why you guys don't send this stuff in so that it can help the site as a whole.
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post #2 of 123
4/16/05 at 3:52pm
I still don't get why the mods can't just make the news item FROM the link in the thread, and why people must first submit new news to the mods before they show it themselves.

What is the reason for the current policy? Regardless of the format, the information has been presented to the viewers, and can be reformatted at the mods' discretion.
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post #3 of 123
4/16/05 at 4:34pm
I assume because the mods don't want to miss out on news if they aren't checking every single thread in the message board (it's a pretty big place).
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post #4 of 123
4/16/05 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by Graynadian
I still don't get why the mods can't just make the news item FROM the link in the thread, and why people must first submit new news to the mods before they show it themselves.

What is the reason for the current policy? Regardless of the format, the information has been presented to the viewers, and can be reformatted at the mods' discretion.
I don't know. Maybe because the boards are not what generates traffic, but the MAIN site. Maybe because the main site is what generates the revenue (which supports the boards incidentally). Beyond that, maybe because Nick and company asked us to submit new news through the mods first. Such a small price to pay for the privledge of being a member of this community.
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post #5 of 123
4/16/05 at 7:04pm
Explain why we post news before you.

And before you say anything, we have lives too!
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post #6 of 123
4/16/05 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
Explain why we post news before you.

And before you say anything, we have lives too!
Because he can't be online 24/7 and sometimes we have to be notified when something breaks. Because he actually WRITES stuff instead of just taking the text and pasting it. Because CHUD.com generates a ton of original content in the form of reviews and our many columns.
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post #7 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:10pm
Boo-hoo.

I sent the Wolverine stuff yesterday to Nick. Wasn´t posted today.
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post #8 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:13pm
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What awesome attitudes.

The submit news button sends the news to Nick, Dave and me. There's a reason it does that. See, Nick is in LA and doesn't have time to deal with it. That's why it goes to three people.

I didn't get an email about this.
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post #9 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:30pm
If it's that big a deal, then why not email or pm those parties that didn't follow the set rules and discuss it with them? Why the pissy fit?

Most of the time people that post the news/scoops in the message boards do it for two reasons:

1. Just to be the person to say, "GUESS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH...."
2. Because they think - "It must have been submited before now - why would I send yet another email to them about it.
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post #10 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:31pm
Thread Starter 
There has been numerous announcements about this. There is one that is ALWAYS at the top of every forum.
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post #11 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:32pm
i do miss the "submit news" thread that was on the message board, but I understand the impracticality in it.

So ya, fuck you guys. just email the fucking admins with links.
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post #12 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:39pm
I agree though, if we have any movie news that scoops these guys we should let them have first crack at it. Those people that post it in the forum first just seem they want to show they have the biggest dicks. Bragging rights, if you will. I can't think of a way to express it further without sounding like a sycophant.
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post #13 of 123
4/16/05 at 9:55pm
It's not about being the guy who breaks the news. People want to DISCUSS the news as it breaks, while there is still a measure excitement, without having to wait and see whether or not you're going to cut 'n' paste it. Makes perfect sense to me.
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post #14 of 123
4/17/05 at 2:25am
Not everyone is visiting the main site. I go directly here, read and discuss stuffs here. When i see news, well, i think i'm never the first to see it, and i certaintly will not be the first to submit it. And yeah, as news are everywhere, we want to discuss it ASAP. God knows when u guys will post it in the main page, and sometimes we don't want to read what you write, we want to discuss it with the members here.

Someone who moderate news for ur site would be a good idea. We dont always have time to surf your main page and see if the new is already posted, then send u the 100th copie of the link, then wait hours for u guys to post it.. at that moment, we're somewhere else in another world.

And the main page's news' list on the left is small and tight and hard to read btw, that's what makes me not really read the main page.
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post #15 of 123
4/17/05 at 2:29am
If you submit the news to the admins, you'll get your name in lights as a contributing source on the main page. Then you can brag to your MB friends AND talk about the breaking news at the same time!
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post #16 of 123
4/17/05 at 2:31am
Could we know the motive of the submit news policy?
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post #17 of 123
4/17/05 at 3:36am
Read my post.
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post #18 of 123
4/17/05 at 4:57am
I think what devin is saying is that news until proven true is gossip.
Posting gossip as fact makes the site look bad as a whole.
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post #19 of 123
4/17/05 at 11:04am
Look...

Maybe 5-10% of the people who visit CHUD read the message boards. Obviously we want to reach as many people as possible with news. Not everything is necessarily considered "newsworthy" -- if it's an unsubstantiated rumor or it's something that we touched upon before or there's just not enough info for an article, we'll probably let it go -- but the sooner we know about it, the sooner we can determine that.

As for the attitudes, some people need to remember that they are in fact guests here. Orin Quon, you're about one more dickhead post away from being gone for good.
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post #20 of 123
4/17/05 at 11:07am
Aight, we'll try the submit see how it turns out. Up til now, the Clark Kent new havent been posted.
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post #21 of 123
4/17/05 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Davis
As for the attitudes, some people need to remember that they are in fact guests here.
I agree, we are guests and should follow the rules of the house. It should be made a rule rather than a request. That will stop all the confusion, if any, of what to do if someone thinks they have a scoop. I would think it's easy enough for the Admin/Mods to keep an eye on the new post list to see if the rule is being broken, and warnings should be given both in private and in public on the forum. Maybe a thread can be created to congratulate/bottom smack those that submit scoops the right way and those that want to fuck about. This will made all of the guests aware of the rule and whether they are breaking them or not. As it is we have been requested to submit scoops in a certain manner, however we may personally feel about it, not following the procedure just makes you look like a dick. You'll still get credit for the scoop, maybe a couple of days after you submitted it. I think it's asinine to think that none of us can wait to discuss it on the MB because we're so excited about the news. Also, chances are, you may get banned and what good will that do. Can't post, can't scoop.
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post #22 of 123
4/17/05 at 2:57pm
No, they are not "guests", they are members here, and as such have voices. This is a goddamn internet discussion board. Some people need to come down from the clouds once in a while.

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Originally Posted by Dave Davis
Maybe 5-10% of the people who visit CHUD read the message boards. Obviously we want to reach as many people as possible with news. Not everything is necessarily considered "newsworthy" -- if it's an unsubstantiated rumor or it's something that we touched upon before or there's just not enough info for an article, we'll probably let it go -- but the sooner we know about it, the sooner we can determine that.
Do you realize how ridiculous all this sounds? Welcome to the boards, feel free to talk about something, unless we might want to talk about it first. Wait, wait and see.

I don't get this. If the main site is so separate from the boards, what's the problem? If only 5-10% of visitors will see a news item on the boards, how is that hurting traffic on your articles? If there's such a population out there who enjoy your articles and don't read the boards, why is this such a huge issue here?

Do you want to be seen as the one breaking the news? It can't be that, if you're getting scoops secondhand from Variety or JoBlo. Do you want to be the one who breaks the news to members of the boards? They've still obviously caught the news on another site before you have. Do you want them to read your articles for your opinions then? The ones who look for your opinion will, and the ones who won't, won't. I mostly don't read the main site because my browser crashes, and because I don't like Devin's sneering bullshit.

To the newbie who arrives here, these boards make some unusual heavy-handed demands, both in the portentous "Submit News Now!" warnings and in the overly sensitive disclaimer at the bottom.
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post #23 of 123
4/17/05 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by nightwalker
Not everyone is visiting the main site. I go directly here, read and discuss stuffs here.
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Originally Posted by Preacher Powell
I mostly don't read the main site because my browser crashes, and because I don't like Devin's sneering bullshit.
I don't get this attitude at all. Why be a member of a message board for a website you don't read?
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post #24 of 123
4/17/05 at 3:35pm
Because I like to discuss movies with intelligent people, and there are some on these boards who seem to be able to ignore all the cliquey crap and get right down to it. I've been coming here for more than five years so I've gotten a feel for some of the opinions.
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post #25 of 123
4/17/05 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by Preacher Powell
No, they are not "guests", they are members here, and as such have voices. This is a goddamn internet discussion board. Some people need to come down from the clouds once in a while.

To the newbie who arrives here, these boards make some unusual heavy-handed demands, both in the portentous "Submit News Now!" warnings and in the overly sensitive disclaimer at the bottom.
I beg to differ. This is not a website that is publicly owned. Who owns it? Nick. As such, we are his guests/visitors here and he can have any rules that he wants to govern the boards. Don't like it? Then don't be a member. Are his demands heavy-handed? Hell no. They keep the boards civil (for the most part) and make them a better place to visit. On top of which you wouldn't say such things described in the disclaimer if you were visiting somone else's house in real life, then why do it here? Common decency folks. As to the Submit News Now item, it has been explained numerous times above by the different mods. Beyond those explanations, simply put the mods and Nick has asked that we submit new news items to them first. As a guest/visitor it seems to be such a small price to pay for the priviledge of being involved with the boards.
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post #26 of 123
4/17/05 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
I beg to differ. This is not a website that is publicly owned. Who owns it? Nick. As such, we are his guests/visitors here and he can have any rules that he wants to govern the boards. Don't like it? Then don't be a member. Are his demands heavy-handed? Hell no. They keep the boards civil (for the most part) and make them a better place to visit. On top of which you wouldn't say such things described in the disclaimer if you were visiting somone else's house in real life, then why do it here? Common decency folks. As to the Submit News Now item, it has been explained numerous times above by the different mods. Beyond those explanations, simply put the mods and Nick has asked that we submit new news items to them first. As a guest/visitor it seems to be such a small price to pay for the priviledge of being involved with the boards.
That don't-like-it-tough-shit response is bandied about here whenever someone has a criticism. "Go somewhere else" is the very definition of elitism. It's the reason Devin's so bewildered in the post that started this thread, and why every so often you'll see Nick start a thread wondering why everyone hates Devin. It's why every so often a Facer or a Don Murphy or a Scorched Planet will come along, leaving Nick reeling at the possibility that someone doesn't like him. CHUD's in a bubble. That's what happens when you foster the idea of a website as an exclusive, rule-bound guest-house and turn a blind eye whenever someone says "what the fuck?" No one here ever, ever addresses a criticism.
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post #27 of 123
4/17/05 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Preacher Powell
That don't-like-it-tough-shit response is bandied about here whenever someone has a criticism. "Go somewhere else" is the very definition of elitism. It's the reason Devin's so bewildered in the post that started this thread, and why every so often you'll see Nick start a thread wondering why everyone hates Devin. It's why every so often a Facer or a Don Murphy or a Scorched Planet will come along, leaving Nick reeling at the possibility that someone doesn't like him. CHUD's in a bubble. That's what happens when you foster the idea of a website as an exclusive, rule-bound guest-house and turn a blind eye whenever someone says "what the fuck?" No one here ever, ever addresses a criticism.
The criticisms' have been addressed (many, many times). It just that perhaps you don't like the answers. The "don't-like-it-tough-shit" and "go somewhere else" is fairly simple AND has been explained many times too. This isn't your house. This is a friend's house. You don't shit in a friend's house. If a friend has a rule while visiting his house, then you honor his or her request. You don't like it, then you aren't invited back (online and in real life). Simple, huh? Not about elitism in the slightest. It's about simple decency and manners. When threads like these are bandied about and people complain about the "restrictions", I have to ask myself were these people brought up with manners (much less have any concept of the word manners)? Emily Post, where are you?
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post #28 of 123
4/17/05 at 4:37pm
There's that 'house' bullshit again. I have nothing more to say to you.
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post #29 of 123
4/17/05 at 4:47pm
I wouldn't want you to be confused on a concept, so I'll make it even easier for you to understand (and use another example). Instead of "house" insert possession. Here's an example. If you are riding in a friend's car and they said please no smoking in my car, then what would you do? (I hope) Not smoke. If you wanted to smoke, then you would ride with someone else that smokes or drive yourself.

This website is Nick's possession. Therefore any rules that he creates is his right (since he owns it). Wow. Easy concept.
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post #30 of 123
4/17/05 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
This isn't your house. This is a friend's house. You don't shit in a friend's house.
You dont make your friend's bed either.

edit: If someone genuinely has a scoop that no other site has picked up on, then it would be cool to let Nick and co know about it, if however they've merely read it at another site such as joblo or AICN then I dont think its worth submitting it, the staff of chud can follow on from it themselves (I presume the staff read these other movie sites). We dont work for chud, we just post here to kill time, and forcing people to work for chud is a ludicrous thought. So like I say, genuine scoops should be submitted, but news thats already reported elsewhere shouldnt have to be, the staff that work at chud should have their eye on all these movie news sources.
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post #31 of 123
4/17/05 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by UberNeuman
If it's that big a deal, then why not email or pm those parties that didn't follow the set rules and discuss it with them? Why the pissy fit?
A) Because he'd be doing that alot...the reason that the notices are all over the place is because this has been a problem on here for years.
B) That wasn't a pissy fit. Devin certainly has them, yes, but that wasn't one of them. That was a calmly asked question.

As for the "house" thing...I'm currently over at the BioWare boards, and people over there understand that it's a privately run board bought and paid for by BioWare...why is it such a bizarre concept to people that this board isn't free (well, it is for you), CHUD pays for it, and as such, it's not elitest to say "Hey, here are some simple rules. Play by them, or play somewhere else."

That's common sense.
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post #32 of 123
4/17/05 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
You dont make your friend's bed either.
Hell, I don't make my own bed.

If they serve me up some dinner, though, I might bring some ingredients for it.

(Ok, we're getting WAY too far into this analogy. Any minute now, SIMS music is going to play.)
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post #33 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:00pm
The reason i dont read the main page is because the news headline layout is hard to read. And the articles written by Devin has the "i'm-cool-coz-i-use-bad-words" vibe that's getting boring and childish. And when we don't read his article in its fullness, he calls us idiots. Who the hell wants to read articles from a person with that attitude.
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post #34 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:24pm
It’s a pissy fit. Deal with those who have broken the set rules – delete the thread and ban/or give the offender a two-week vacation from the boards – or a perma-ban.

How hard is that?

I believe that any news should be submitted for a chance at the main page, but how long should a “submitter” wait until the item is considered fair game to discuss with other fellow members? Is it two hours?

Is there a story rejected e-mail that goes out to the submitters if their scoop isn’t ready for prime time?

It’s little things like that save everyone some heartache…
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post #35 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:37pm
Deleting, banning, and forced vacations are more extreme...that would be a pissy fit.

I second the request for a notification email. Even if it's very, very very short, like "Ain't worth front page." But much of the stuff I stumble across is borderline on whether you guys would want it or not, so it'd be nice to know it was rejected.

I've posted news on Creature Corner, but that's because the email I sent to Johnny...because that's where the Submit button sent my email...bounced back because he wasn't webmaster anymore.
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post #36 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:37pm
Thread Starter 
I don't have admin powers on the board, probably partially because I would be deleting threads that are non-submitted news in a flash.

There are no real rules on submissions. Just give it a couple of hours. We're not attached to our computers. Some of us have day jobs, or are doing press stuff or are on the phone for hours putting together the contests that you guys love to enter.

It's offensive that you think so little of the site that you want to circumvent the very simple thing we ask of you. If you're so excited to share movie news with people, www.blogspot.com offers free blogs - go nuts! Maybe you don't like what we write on the main page or you somehow can't read the words, but one of the reasons this board is so full and busy is because plenty of people DO like that stuff. By keeping the main page healthy the boards stay healthy.

And anyone who is complaining about the very, very simple rules here honestly should scram. That's not about not being able to take criticism - it's that you're probably a childish jerk, and if you don't understand that CHUD.com is not just something some dude is doing in his spare time, then you should move along. CHUD's message boards aren't your right, which is what you seem to think. And it's so weird to have to say that because there's very little asked of anyone who visits here. I mean, none of this should be an issue at all, it should be pretty obvious that there aren't a ton of rules and none of them are insanely prohibitive, but people just take shit for granted like it was handed down to them by God.

Here's the final thing - please give us criticism. We often operate in something of a vacuum here when it comes to feedback, and it's good to hear what you do and don't like, since we really don't want to bother wasting our time writing features that you guys don't care about. But it seems to me that most of what the critiques we get are "You're mean about Star Wars" or "You have too much opinion in the stories." Sorry guys, that's sort of the point of the place. We deliver the news with attitude and commentary, and we've said it a hundred times on these boards, but people don't get it. If you don't like hamburgers, don't go to McDonalds; if you don't like movie news with snarky commentary, go to www.comingsoon.net. They have a message board too.
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post #37 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:39pm
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Re: notification emails.. I do what I can, but I am just not always around in a timely manner. And you won't believe how many news submissions are about things that are already on the site. If you haven't heard back from us in a little while, just go ahead and throw the thing on the boards. But don't email us and then post it on the boards 1 minute later, and don't just send it to Nick and think that's somehow enough.
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post #38 of 123
4/17/05 at 7:52pm
Thanks...on a side note, my personal opinion is that if it is already posted on the site as news, it really doesn't need a reply....
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post #39 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:08pm
The responses on this thread are ludicrous. If the guys who run this board and provide it free of charge for all of us to post on would like us to give them a heads up on certain posts before putting them up, how can you possibly have the gall to act as if that somehow violates your unalienable message board rights?

The vast majority of people on this board have no problem with that concept, and if you do, there's no reason for you to stick around. This isn't a democracy. It's a benevolent dictatorship, and until you're putting up money to pay for the bandwidth this sucker costs to run, you have no right to complain. Constructive criticism is one thing. But this childish bitching is laughable.

He asked you to click Submit News. Just do it. This is the battle you're going to choose? This is what you're making your epic stand over? Complaining about something like this gives fan boys a bad name.

If you think the board's too oppressive, then find another one. Coming Soon, Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB and JoBlo all have perfectly servicable boards where the mods aren't nearly as involved. Then again, all of those boards suck.

Someone above talked about how this has nothing to do with having a life. In fact, it has everything to do with it. If you feel the need to hop up onstage and spew righteous indignation about a simple, unobtrusive request like this, you need to get a hobby, or a real cause.

I have seen the enemy, and he's not DevinCF.
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post #40 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:09pm
Thread Starter 
Cokes, you son of a bitch, did you see the Shane Carruth interview?
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post #41 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:18pm
Interesting that my question from #22 above still hasn't been answered.

I'd like to know why this is the only site on the Internet (to my knowledge) that asks, nay, demands that you send a piece of (already published) breaking news to the powers-that-be for deliberation before being given leave to utter a word about it on the boards.

If what Dave Davis says is true, the site is what gets most of the traffic, so it's not going to spoil the surprise or steal attention away from the articles. What harm is it doing then?

You have this absurd rule which is now becoming so hard and fast that some people are actually talking about banning as a penalty. All I want is a reason why, other than that it's House Rules.
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post #42 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:29pm
Thread Starter 
House Rules should be enough for you.

But how about just respect?
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post #43 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:43pm
If chud.com wants members of the chud forums to notify the main site staff of a movie related news story before starting a thread about it, you need to change the Terms and Conditions of the site.

I have nothing against what Devin has asked time and time again, but there is a difference between asking people to submit scoops and telling them to. When I joined this place I didnt think I'd have to effectively become an extension of the working staff and contribute to the actual site itself. I thought I'd join the forums to just...you know, talk about films without any obligation to do anything else, other than avoid offensive behaviour, etc.

I once submitted a news item I thought was cool, it never went on the front page, probably because it was already reported on AICN, but I dont know. Like I said above, its probably best for people with real (as in not broken on the main film websites yet) genuine scoops to submit them, it is the logical thing to do, seeing as you're a member of a film related forum, but does this scoop thing apply to news revealed on the big movie sites such as AICN?

Notification email idea sounds good.
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post #44 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:46pm
Thread Starter 
Yes, we've made our members indentured servants. Give me a break.
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post #45 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by devincf
"You have too much opinion in the stories." Sorry guys, that's sort of the point of the place. We deliver the news with attitude and commentary, and we've said it a hundred times on these boards, but people don't get it. If you don't like hamburgers, don't go to McDonalds; if you don't like movie news with snarky commentary, go to www.comingsoon.net. They have a message board too.
That's exactly why some of us dont visit the main page, and go directly to the MSG Board.

Not because we visit the Msg Board that we have to go to the main page to read your stuffs. And not because we dont read your stuffs that we can't go to the Msg Board.
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post #46 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:49pm
I'd like to go to the no MSG board. It's healthier.
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post #47 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Yes, we've made our members indentured servants. Give me a break.
Respect? Give me a break. Its simply an effecient and time saving way for chud.com to provide news to the masses, understandable.

But it would be nice if things were clear between us all, so I ask again, if AICN reveals a news story, are we 'obliged' to tell you guys about it and wait till you start a thread linking to chud.com's 'take' on it, or is it simply for scoops that no major film news sites have reported yet? I want to know the level of scoop you guys are expecting us to mail you about.
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post #48 of 123
4/17/05 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
I have nothing against what Devin has asked time and time again, but there is a difference between asking people to submit scoops and telling them to. When I joined this place I didnt think I'd have to effectively become an extension of the working staff and contribute to the actual site itself. I thought I'd join the forums to just...you know, talk about films without any obligation to do anything else, other than avoid offensive behaviour, etc.
Exactly, that is what I was trying to get at when I made my original post.


I think the simplest solution is for the creator of the "scoop" thread to send a linked email to the staff when (s)he starts the thread. The staff can then construct front page news items from the links provided, and the relevant thread can continue on.

There is no need for news items to hit the front page before they hit the messageboards, that reeks of egotism to me. As long as the staff gets notified of new stories, they shouldn't have a problem. Regardless, people send the staff info as a favour, in order to sustain the symbiosis of CHUD.com. There is no obligation to help the staff find news stories, it is something done willingly by the Chuddites in order to help their friends in the staff.

As soon as the staff starts demanding mandatory submissions, the masses bristle, and the naturally, mutually beneficial relationship is threatened.
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post #49 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:04pm
Thread Starter 
I give up. I used to be against it, but I think this board should become a pay board. At the very least you should have to pay to be able to start threads. There are sites like that, and they do fine.
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post #50 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:29pm
I'd like to say don't let it get you down Devin, but that won't help the problem.

I've only ever submitted news once which showed up on the site later, although I wasn't the first to send it. No big deal to me. I just wanted to help out if I could.

It certainly didn't bother me that it wasn't on the site immediately, I'm not always champing at the bit to go & discuss everything (as you can see from my post count) as soon as the story breaks.

Whatever anyone else says, we really ARE guests here. It doesn't cost us anything but our time, and it's our choice to spend it here. Besides, it was a REQUEST not to post news here first, not an order. I don't think we should begrudge helping CHUD out on this. It's not hard.
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