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post #51 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:29pm
It might sound a bit harsh for the main page writers but, you do realise that it's the messageboards that generate the site's traffic, right?

I came to CHUD because I wanted to talk film with intellignet people. CHUD was never a scoop site, it's a community and trying to kill that, under the false assumption that it will be better in the long run, is odd to say the least.

If there are no boards or if the boards are pay-per-view or stale, most folks will just head to Dark Horizons for news (even if they are not opiononated), traffic will drop like a brick, ad revenue will follow and CHUD will die an un-heroic death.

I understand the site wanting to be notified of exclusive scoops and I would agree that someone posting an exclusive story on the board would be an egotistical asshole, but forbidding the talk of news stories that other sites broke is weird. It's like CHUD exists in a strange vacuum and the world outside is void unless first acknowledged by the staff.

I just don't get asking for exclusivity in something that has already been published elsewhere...
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post #52 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:32pm
This looks to be one of those cases where two things are equally true. People should be able to post what they want, assuming it's not overtly offensive, just out of basic rights of free speech. That being said, there are folks running this site and if they have some reasonable guidelines they want to see followed then they should be respected. Both sides have an argument to be made so I know I have solved nothing with this post.
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post #53 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:37pm
They've made the request. Some people are going to follow it, some aren't. I think I'd be grateful for the ones who do and roll my eyes and move on over the ones who don't. The anger doesn't seem to be worth it. Sure it's a respect thing, but the House That Nick Built isn't going to crumble overnight if someone posts a link to an AICN article on the message board without submitting it as news first.

Now, if it's a scoop, then yeah, give the site a chance to shine.
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post #54 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:37pm
The disclaimer at the bottom says "treat this place like someone's living room." I'll take it one step further. Imagine this place is a mansion where formal dinner parties are being held for cooking students nightly by Paul Prudhomme, Emeril, and the ghost of Julia Child. They've never served the same dish twice.

Now imagine one of the students shows up one night, and as each course is being unveiled, he reveals he's cooked the same dish every single time using a microwave and shake n' bake, and not only that, left a copy of the recipe, under every other student's seat, claiming the expert cooks took too long fixing it.

This is their house. If they only want their food on display, that's their fucking perogative.
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post #55 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:37pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastronikolas
It might sound a bit harsh for the main page writers but, you do realise that it's the messageboards that generate the site's traffic, right?

See, the thing is - you're wrong. We get more visitors than there are people who are even signed up here. And most of the email I get includes a sentence along the lines of "I would have posted this on your board, but that place is too much for me."
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post #56 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:44pm
The message boards account for less than 10% of the site's overall traffic.
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post #57 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:48pm
I stand corrected, then.

...Although, I get the idea that there are times that you view the boards as something to be tolerated, rather than something you enjoy to have around...

However, I still don't understand what's the fuss about. If a news item's not on the main page and if a lot of people don't visit the boards, it makes no difference to them whether folks are discussing it in here or not.

And there's no way you're goingto miss it. Sooner or later, you'll visit other movie sites or see the guilty thread or whatever.

All this assuming that we are talking about news from other sources and not original scoops, of course.
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post #58 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:51pm
Again, no one answered. Can we post news that's already broken elsewhere?
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post #59 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Cokes, you son of a bitch, did you see the Shane Carruth interview?
Well, obviously, you're the enemy in that regard. I think that goes without saying. I could do without the pandering to that sort of "Nerds Unite in Our Esoteric Idiocy" type of flick, but this is an entirely different animal.

This conversation continues to get sillier. As if there are unspoken rules of message boards and CHUD is violating them by asking people to send scoops to the mods before posting them. Like it's actually an ego thing, and a little part of Dave Davis shrivels and dies with each scoop that he was beaten to. People need to get over themselves. When I send emails to the mods, it takes maybe 15 minutes for someone or other to respond usually. If that's what they want, let it be so. You've registered your objections, as petty as they may be. They're noted. Move along.

There's a Howard Stern board that forces you to post 30 times before gaining access to certain forums (porn, natch), I'm not aware of any other board that does anything like that, and no one bitches about it over there. It's the way they operate. If you don't like it, don't post the 30 times and hang out on the non-restricted forums.

I actually think that's worth exploring for this board. Would make the regulars almost completely immune to studio shills, spam, etc.
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post #60 of 123
4/17/05 at 9:58pm
My only problem is not knowing what is a scoop and what isn't. Well, one of my problems.
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post #61 of 123
4/17/05 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
I give up. I used to be against it, but I think this board should become a pay board. At the very least you should have to pay to be able to start threads. There are sites like that, and they do fine.
I can't think of any movie sites that do that, though. The only one I can think of is IGN, but they still have some free boards. I don't think many would pay, but if this is such a big problem you guys should experiment with a pay board and see what happens.
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post #62 of 123
4/17/05 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
I wouldn't want you to be confused on a concept, so I'll make it even easier for you to understand (and use another example). Instead of "house" insert possession. Here's an example. If you are riding in a friend's car and they said please no smoking in my car, then what would you do? (I hope) Not smoke. If you wanted to smoke, then you would ride with someone else that smokes or drive yourself.

This website is Nick's possession. Therefore any rules that he creates is his right (since he owns it). Wow. Easy concept.
Nice condencension dickface.
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post #63 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:02am
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Originally Posted by devincf
I don't have admin powers on the board, probably partially because I would be deleting threads that are non-submitted news in a flash.

There are no real rules on submissions. Just give it a couple of hours. We're not attached to our computers. Some of us have day jobs, or are doing press stuff or are on the phone for hours putting together the contests that you guys love to enter.

It's offensive that you think so little of the site that you want to circumvent the very simple thing we ask of you. If you're so excited to share movie news with people, www.blogspot.com offers free blogs - go nuts! Maybe you don't like what we write on the main page or you somehow can't read the words, but one of the reasons this board is so full and busy is because plenty of people DO like that stuff. By keeping the main page healthy the boards stay healthy.

And anyone who is complaining about the very, very simple rules here honestly should scram. That's not about not being able to take criticism - it's that you're probably a childish jerk, and if you don't understand that CHUD.com is not just something some dude is doing in his spare time, then you should move along. CHUD's message boards aren't your right, which is what you seem to think. And it's so weird to have to say that because there's very little asked of anyone who visits here. I mean, none of this should be an issue at all, it should be pretty obvious that there aren't a ton of rules and none of them are insanely prohibitive, but people just take shit for granted like it was handed down to them by God.

Here's the final thing - please give us criticism. We often operate in something of a vacuum here when it comes to feedback, and it's good to hear what you do and don't like, since we really don't want to bother wasting our time writing features that you guys don't care about. But it seems to me that most of what the critiques we get are "You're mean about Star Wars" or "You have too much opinion in the stories." Sorry guys, that's sort of the point of the place. We deliver the news with attitude and commentary, and we've said it a hundred times on these boards, but people don't get it. If you don't like hamburgers, don't go to McDonalds; if you don't like movie news with snarky commentary, go to www.comingsoon.net. They have a message board too.
You guys don't demand much, but it is bothersome when someone makes a post or thread and about 10 posts after there's still a dick measuring contest on who can make the most "witty" and/or condescending response. A real discussion would be nice. BTW, I always send my news now before making a thread.
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post #64 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by cognizant
You dont make your friend's bed either.
Well, it depends on the friend. If it's a friend I sleep with, then I would most assuredly help them make the bed. If I was eating with a friend then I would most assuredly help with dishes. This is Nick's place, and we are here to revel in the various entertainment news and most assuredly if I knew a new news scoop, I would pass it on to Nick. Something that friends do.

Beyond that, I am tired of hearing "But, but, but other movie websites don't make you submit new news to them first." Good god. What a bunch of whiny babies. This isn't some other movie website. It's CHUD. Different address, different outtake on the news, different boards AND different rules. Big deal. So you have to wait a little while before posting about a potential news story. Does that mean you are going to be unable to comment about the story? Hell no.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, submitting new news to the mods first and following the general rules as outlined in the terms and conditions is a SMALL price to pay for being a part of this community.
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post #65 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:17am
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Originally Posted by MattCG
However, seeing as how we're so unimportant and only account for 10% of the site's traffic and everything, who cares if it's posted on the message board?
Since apparently no one can get an answer to this question, my guess is it's an ego thing. You can't just be talking about news, you have to be talking about Devin talking about news.
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post #66 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by DeadChickRFun
Nice condencension dickface.
Well, it was he who wasn't understanding the simple analogy of a house. Perhaps if he had just said something like I don't quite understand your argument, please explain. Or he could have attempted to refute the rationale. Instead he referred to the rationale as bullshit. Seems to me that he was asking for clarification in the same vein as he answered.
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post #67 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
Well, it was he who wasn't understanding the simple analogy of a house. Perhaps if he had just said something like I don't quite understand your argument, please explain. Or he could have attempted to refute the rationale. Instead he referred to the rationale as bullshit. Seems to me that he was asking for clarification in the same vein as he answered.
Fair enough.
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post #68 of 123
4/18/05 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Dave Davis
Look...

Maybe 5-10% of the people who visit CHUD read the message boards. Obviously we want to reach as many people as possible with news. Not everything is necessarily considered "newsworthy" -- if it's an unsubstantiated rumor or it's something that we touched upon before or there's just not enough info for an article, we'll probably let it go -- but the sooner we know about it, the sooner we can determine that.

As for the attitudes, some people need to remember that they are in fact guests here. Orin Quon, you're about one more dickhead post away from being gone for good.
What are the numbers on the people who visit the site or just visit the boards?
I was just asking out of curiousity. Especially, since people use the front page as a portal to the boards. That's what I do, so the front page counts a hit.

But, in regards to the topic. I agree with what Devin said. If you have solid news (not gossip/slander/fanboy delusions), send them to the front page.

I thought that was just simply understood.
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post #69 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
Well, it was he who wasn't understanding the simple analogy of a house. Perhaps if he had just said something like I don't quite understand your argument, please explain. Or he could have attempted to refute the rationale. Instead he referred to the rationale as bullshit. Seems to me that he was asking for clarification in the same vein as he answered.
I understood your house analogy perfectly well, I just think that anyone who seriously compares a PHP discussion board to a house needs a reality check. I can't have a discussion with someone who does because it is exactly this kind of closed-off self-importance that is at the root of CHUD's problems. JoBlo and AICN have their own identity and thriving communities without having to bombard the visitor with preconditions. AICN asks the visitor to mail any scoops only once, on the front page, and leaves it at that. Don Murphy or Supernova or The Facer happens to browse the boards and sees something pompous, and strict to the point of antagonistic: a Star Chamber, a rule to submit news before discussing anything, a disclaimer that just stops short of telling you not to disagree with anyone, a pre-approved elitist board, a thread trumpeting which trolls have been banned. It's no wonder they take serious offence. You can't have a snarky attitude without the inflated ego that goes with it.
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post #70 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:06am
Thread Starter 
You seem to really not like it here, and you seem to want to be the biggest cock possible about it.
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post #71 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:06am
Fuck some of you people are retarded! Do you not understand how the Internet works in general, especially with regards to bandwidth and ISP's ludicrous charges for using too much of it??

1. You start a thread. This automatically absorbs some space in a database, which counts against the total storage limit for said database. It's not a large figure, but multiply that by the number of posts some of you dickheads make and it adds up.
2. People start viewing the thread. Each and every time someone loads the thread 'page' that's a smidge of bandwidth.
3. People post in the thread. So not only have they burnt a bit of CHUD's bandwidth by reading the thread, they are now making the database entries related to this thread larger.
4. Say the thread gets pretty hot and starts getting large numbers of people viewing and posting. More bandwidth, more space. The originator of the thread has it in "Notify me when someone posts" mode, so now is getting a bunch of e-mail sent from the CHUD boards to his e-mail account. More bandwidth used.
5. People start making side conversations with each other via PM. More database space used, and if e-mail notification is turned on for the receipt of PM's, more bandwidth.

Do you see where this is going?

Most of you help pay for exactly ZERO of this. If someone here makes such a piddly little request from you in exchange for all of the money it takes to keep the boards and site up, just shut up and do it. I am seriously thinking that having a messageboard system that's as liberal as this one is as part of a website is just not worth it to anyone anymore.
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post #72 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:11am
This is magical. I can imagine a lot of people getting really really red in face because they've been asked not to post scoops without giving the MOVIE SITE a crack at it first. A lot of people consider this a community UNTIL they have to lift a friggen finger. Jeez man. Just jeez.
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post #73 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by devincf
You seem to really not like it here, and you seem to want to be the biggest cock possible about it.
You're right. As of now I'm done with CHUD.
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post #74 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by nightwalker
Again, no one answered. Can we post news that's already broken elsewhere?
I'm guessing they are ignoring you because they don't want to look foolish by saying "no, you can't post news already broken elsewhere."

Seriously, I've been registered here for quite a few years now (had a lot more posts before the new boards were installed in case anyone says I haven't participated) and this whole submit news first thing kind of annoys me sometimes. I think it's fair enough when someone has some news that isn't on a major site or are directly involved with, but when you aren't allowed to post stuff from another site it seems as though Nick and Co. only care about the late breaking news image and making it seem like CHUD is the be all and end all of internet movie news. This may not be the case, but that is what it looks like.

If the message boards only generate 5 - 10% of the sites traffic there should be no problem with someone posting news on the forums. The mods can just use the post the same way they would an e-mail from a user. Every other major site I vist, be it a tech site, game site or movie site does this. If someone starts a thread with news in it they will just write up the news, and then link the thread where the topic is being discussed. No big deal. Plus it will more then likely help generate more visits to the message boards meaning you may be able to charge more for the ads on the top of the boards. Win, Win situation, no?

Sometimes logic doesn't prevail though. This is usually where ego does.
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post #75 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by Mike Arsenault
Fuck some of you people are retarded!

Most of you help pay for exactly ZERO of this. If someone here makes such a piddly little request from you in exchange for all of the money it takes to keep the boards and site up, just shut up and do it. I am seriously thinking that having a messageboard system that's as liberal as this one is as part of a website is just not worth it to anyone anymore.
People visiting the site helps generate revenue. Do you think CHUD could still be running with the ammount of people who visit each day if they weren't making something from it? Why do you think they have advertising on the site? I'm sure it's not because it looks pretty.
Also, the boards generate 5 - 10% of the sites traffic. Meaning more bandwidth is used by posting the news on the main site rather then the forums.

WOW!!!! We are all so retarded!
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post #76 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:52am
I believe this started with two threads recently, the one with the pics from SUPERMAN and the one about the interview with the WOLVERINE screenwriter. I can see the problem with the Superman pics, since those are the first in character pictures that is newsworthy (at least around here). But the thread about the WOLVERINE writer being interviewed should not cause any waves. Somebody read that interview on another site and thought he'd get some discussion going on the boards, seems reasonable. That interview should not be considered news. A writer being hired for WOLVERINE or a decision on the rating WOLVERINE will get could be news, but the writer talking about the rating is not.

I guess I should not be concerned too much about this, I don't start many threads and the ones I do are usually of the dumbass SEAGAL Vs. VAN DAMME, WHO DO YOU PREFER? variety.
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post #77 of 123
4/18/05 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by nightwalker
Again, no one answered. Can we post news that's already broken elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by dM (Underground Dweller)
I'm guessing they are ignoring you because they don't want to look foolish by saying "no, you can't post news already broken elsewhere."
Any kind of acknowledgement would be nice, I keep hearing about respect but it seems to be a one way thing most of the time. Member asks valid question + Devin gives snide remark + thread descends to namecalling = chud forums these days.

I dont think hardly anyone in this thread would object to the request that scoops that have not been broken on other film websites should be emailed to the chud staff, it just makes sense. News that has been broken elsewhere is another matter. I dont think that has to be emailed, but thats just my humble-not-so-important opinion.

I've been on forums where, there would be a news forum at the top of the boards, and inside the forum would be locked threads with headlines, and when you clicked on the thread, it would take you to the news page somewhere on the main site. I think this forum/site integration would be easier for alot of members to browse and notice breaking news, so you wouldnt see as many clone threads popping up with people saying "I read this over at x" pissing chud staff off. [Edit: the fetal film report section of the forum does actually kind of work as this, but its still vague for many newcomers I guess, 'fetal film' just sounds weird.]

Either way, is it too much to ask for some constructive conversation here? This thread is a type of feedback for chud, and feedback is vital for any kind of operation or organisation, but for there to be feedback the members also need some proper replies back from the staff, working on a way forward. Insulting people left, right and center constantly makes them ignore you or work against you, hardly the reaction chud wants from the general public I'd imagine, at the very worst it could signal the end of this place either from fleeing members or people with grudges, something to do with karma, know what I mean?
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post #78 of 123
4/18/05 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by dM (Underground Dweller)
People visiting the site helps generate revenue. Do you think CHUD could still be running with the ammount of people who visit each day if they weren't making something from it? Why do you think they have advertising on the site? I'm sure it's not because it looks pretty.
Also, the boards generate 5 - 10% of the sites traffic. Meaning more bandwidth is used by posting the news on the main site rather then the forums.

WOW!!!! We are all so retarded!
Only Ad revenue doesn't even come close to paying for bandwidth overages, seeing as most people are blocking ads with FireFox or not clicking on the ads to generate said revenue. Thanks for playing though!
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post #79 of 123
4/18/05 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
It might sound a bit harsh for the main page writers but, you do realise that it's the messageboards that generate the site's traffic, right?
As the guy who sees the traffic summaries, I know for a fact you couldn't be more wrong.
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post #80 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
Either way, is it too much to ask for some constructive conversation here?
Asking that you e-mail news to the CHUD writers is not that big of a deal. It's not about egos or who scooped the info first, but more of a courtesy. As noted already, this is a movie website first and formost and the message boards are an extension of that. The MBs could easily be dismantled and CHUD.com would be fine. People who don't read the main page and just come straight to the boards are missing the point of this site. You can talk movies anywhere on the web with anyone you want. These boards were created to discuss the news presented on CHUD.com. And as the CHUD writers can't be everywhere all at once, it is helpful to them that Chewers give them the heads up when there are newsworthy items.

On the flip side, as noted, the MB gets only 5-10% of the main site's traffic. Personally, I don't see a problem with people posting newsworthy info on the site as long as they also submit the news for the main site. That way it saves the CHUD writers from having to search the forums for newsworthy info (which is time consuming and not an effective way to find news), yet people can start discussing the news right away.

*Edited for spelling
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post #81 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
As the guy who sees the traffic summaries, I know for a fact you couldn't be more wrong.
Don't you bring your goddamned dirty facts into this. This thread is for knee jerk reactionaries only, dammit.
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post #82 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:15pm
Bottom line from me on this issue:

I'm sort of over it now. I have to accept that in general people are lazy. It's why they don't comment on stuff on the site they like or the stuff they hate. It's just too much effort. Additionally, the web has allowed us to be like this. We'd rather find something on some torrent or whatever rather than get it through normal means. I understand why people would rather do a 2 second MB post instead of take the time to send an email to the site.

I understand it. I don't agree with it, but I'm already an old schooler in regards to the web and reporting.

So, it's too late to expect people to make the effort. The same goes for the threads devoted to feedback on our stuff. There's a chunk of people, about 20% of the boards who seem to "get it" and they are the ones whose posts actually have merit and represent readers of the site. They're the people who I meet in various towns that seem to give a shit about the site and its people.

The rest, if CHUD were to go off the web tomorrow, would simply move to another spot without a moment's pause.

So, I am at peace with the fact that we can't shift the mindset.

That said, these boards become more and more expendable each day. It's a shame too, a slot of very important friendships were born out of this.
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post #83 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:25pm
I have to ask the people who are complaining, how often do you actually find out somehting that's newsworthy that isn't already on the main site. If the frequency is as low as I think then why are you worried? Spend the thirty seconds, once a month that it would take to do what Nick and Comp. ask of you. If it's more often than that maybe you should send it in anyway and just maybe Nick would ask you to help as an updater.
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post #84 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Preacher Powell
AICN have their own identity and thriving communities
I don't know if I'd call people yelling "First" and then "Fuck you, First posters are dick cheese" and then "you suck lucas' cock cause you are second you fag" either thriving or community, but that's just me.

Diva's right, it's a courtesy to send the news in according to the 'rules'. I don't mind that. Being courteous gets us all moving in the right direction. But as in life, there are people who don't use turn signals, people who talk on cell phones while paying at the grocery store, and people who shit on the seat of public toilets. You can do what you can do to a certain point, but the world and the Chud message boards will never be rid of discourteous people, so fuming about it is really not constructive.
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post #85 of 123
4/18/05 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by devincf

The submit news button sends the news to Nick, Dave and me. There's a reason it does that. See, Nick is in LA and doesn't have time to deal with it. That's why it goes to three people.

I didn't get an email about this.
FYI to Nick, Devin, and Dave-
I submitted something last week via the Submit A Scoop link, but it was unable to deliver to anyone but Nick. I'm assuming it's a glitch on your end since I've never had a similar problem before or since.
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post #86 of 123
4/18/05 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by zeroplate
I don't know if I'd call people yelling "First" and then "Fuck you, First posters are dick cheese" and then "you suck lucas' cock cause you are second you fag" either thriving or community, but that's just me.
There's a thriving AICN community. They just don't post on Talkback. But there have been many, many friendships formed and even a few weddings and kids because of AICN. Most of us know what a waste of time the majority of Talkback is.

As far as submitting news goes, it's the easiest thing to do. I am really not understanding why there's an 80+ post thread bitching about this issue. Hey, you might even get a story credit, and that's seen by a hell of a lot more people than posting it in the message board.
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post #87 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Arsenault
seeing as most people are blocking ads with FireFox
1) Firefox doesn't block ads. At worst, it blocks popups, which the latest version of IE does too.

2) You've seen the site stats showing that most users are on Firefox?
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post #88 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:24pm
Thread Starter 
Yes, Cap, Adblock on Firefox will block ANY ads.
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post #89 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:24pm
With the correct plug-ins, banner ads get destroyed/not loaded too. General usage statistics of FireFox are all over the map, but everyone agrees it is the fastest growing "switch to" product right now. Based on a purely imperical observation in various threads here, many people on the boards use the product. But still, now you are just argueing for the sake of argueing. Having a website costs money, no matter what your percieved rights are, and having the board owner ask you to submit news when you find it is not an unreasonable or even difficult request. How long does it take you to fire off an e-mail, for the love of Pete?
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post #90 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:26pm
Firefox != adblock. That's like saying the google toolbar is part of IE.

I have adblock installed by the way, but see most ads. So not even by default does it block the ads on the site, but you can use it to block ads you find get in the way of your web browsing.
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post #91 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Arsenault
Having a website costs money, no matter what your percieved rights are, and having the board owner ask you to submit news when you find it is not an unreasonable or even difficult request. How long does it take you to fire off an e-mail, for the love of Pete?
The very few times I find something I think is movie newsworthy, I've sent an email. Last time I got a polite reply from devin thanking me for submitting it (it was already a news item *), I thought it was somebody pretending to be him since he sounded so nice.

* Can I mentioned without being bashed that the site usability with the little text news items on the side is pretty horrible?
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post #92 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Don't you bring your goddamned dirty facts into this. This thread is for knee jerk reactionaries only, dammit.
That's hilarious.. And also so very true
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post #93 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by CapitanAmerica
Firefox != adblock. That's like saying the google toolbar is part of IE.

I have adblock installed by the way, but see most ads. So not even by default does it block the ads on the site, but you can use it to block ads you find get in the way of your web browsing.
I think you are in the minority on that one. I use Safari sans ANY plug-ins so at least the ads will load as will the pop-ups. I don't go very many places on the web where I have been burned by using a more permissive browser like Safari.
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post #94 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Arsenault
I think you are in the minority on that one. I use Safari sans ANY plug-ins so at least the ads will load as will the pop-ups. I don't go very many places on the web where I have been burned by using a more permissive browser like Safari.
You don't get popups with Safari? I can't tolerate popups in my browsing. If you want to plaster your page with a horrendous Flash ad in the middle of it (like CHUD does) I guess that's ok. But generating new windows all over the place, it's beyond annoying. Some sites have found ways to get around the popup blockers, so adblock helps to fix that.
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post #95 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:53pm
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Seriously, if you want to rob the site of revenue, at least don't discuss it on the board.
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post #96 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:53pm
You get pop-ups in Safari only if you tell Safari not to block pop-ups, which is what I have done. And even with blocking on, it won't block ones that get poped-up by the site you are browsing, only ones called by external code/links.

EDITED TO ADD: Being careful where you browse makes it so that you can look at ads on sites you like the best. Because I like CHUD and am careful, I get full ad action without getting heaps of spyware/malware/craz ads.
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post #97 of 123
4/18/05 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Seriously, if you want to rob the site of revenue, at least don't discuss it on the board.
I block popups on all sites, most browsers can block popups now. This means robbing the site of revenue? What if you're reading this site from a phone, or have javascript disabled? Lots of new rules ...
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post #98 of 123
4/18/05 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Arsenault
EDITED TO ADD: Being careful where you browse makes it so that you can look at ads on sites you like the best. Because I like CHUD and am careful, I get full ad action without getting heaps of spyware/malware/craz ads.
You don't have spyware/malaware/etc because you're using a better operating system. For us stuck with inferior OSes, we use browsers that are not broken. So I don't block popups because of that, they just get in the way of browsing operation. Site owners don't own my desktop space, just like I don't own their site.

But that's another topic ...
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post #99 of 123
4/18/05 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by CapitanAmerica
You don't have spyware/malaware/etc because you're using a better operating system. For us stuck with inferior OSes, we use browsers that are not broken. So I don't block popups because of that, they just get in the way of browsing operation. Site owners don't own my desktop space, just like I don't own their site.

But that's another topic ...

No offence, but shut the fuck up already. We get where you coming from, we know what the site means to you. I'm glad we all don't have the same mentality, otherwise we wouldn't be on the MB right now. Thats the facts. Without the main page and without the ads there wouldn't be a MB. Is that not too hard to see. However way you see it, I hate ads, but I like CHUD and I wish to support it. So I allow the ads on this site for that reason. Is it so hard to offer support to something that you appreciate. For the same reason we should follow the requests of the Mods/admins, out of respect. I mean really, what does it cost you.
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post #100 of 123
4/18/05 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Parker
So I allow the ads on this site for that reason. Is it so hard to offer support to something that you appreciate. For the same reason we should follow the requests of the Mods/admins, out of respect. I mean really, what does it cost you.
I have popup ads turned off for all sites, that's just the way it is. I have clicked on banner ads (for lunar pages I think) on this site before, so I find it ironic that I'm not supporting the site. And please stop being delusional as browsers are coming out with popup blockers more and more turned on by default. That's why we get those new "skip ads" and big Flash inlined ads now.

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For the same reason we should follow the requests of the Mods/admins, out of respect.
I don't see anything on the site saying that we must or should allow popup ads. Where is this text?
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