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post #1 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:19pm
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I’m 33, with a wife and a kid. This weekend I shall place another order for Ecstasy/LSD/Cannabis (I don’t touch anything that must be injected, or highly addictive substances such as Crack). I’ve held down a job for years and I’ve never robbed, cheated or assaulted anyone in my life.

Is it time for me to “grow up”, abandon drugs and act “like an adult”, or am I okay carrying on the way I am?
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post #2 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:25pm
If you're not endangering your ability to turn 34, your wife or your child (or are creating conflict between yourself and them), and are doing what you do without hurting anyone I don't see the problem.

You can just place an order for Ecstacy/LSD/Cannabis? I envy you.
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post #3 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Bayouradio
If you're not endangering your ability to turn 34, your wife or your child (or are creating conflict between yourself and them), and are doing what you do without hurting anyone I don't see the problem.
Right now I see the most significant hazard to my health to be my weight. The wife knows I indulge on the odd occasion (I don't get blasted out of my mind every day, or every week)

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You can just place an order for Ecstacy/LSD/Cannabis? I envy you.
Where I live, it's more difficult to buy a tin of baked beans from the local store.
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post #4 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:47pm
If these things are against the law, I would most certainly stop. You are definitely putting your loved ones in a dangerous situation, regardless of any health factors. If the thought is even occuring to you that maybe it's time to stop, then by all fucking means you should do so.
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post #5 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Where I live, it's more difficult to buy a tin of baked beans from the local store.
You commie bastard, I hate you.

In all seriousness though, there isn't an age limit for recreational drug use, I've never seen it as a 'kids' thing.

It sounds like you are a good respectable citizen, and your choice of substances is impeccable, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to blow the top of your head off every once in awhile.
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post #6 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:52pm
First Geoff gets the sugar, then he gets the power, then he gets the wimmin.
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post #7 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:52pm
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If these things are against the law, I would most certainly stop. You are definitely putting your loved ones in a dangerous situation, regardless of any health factors. If the thought is even occuring to you that maybe it's time to stop, then by all fucking means you should do so.
My thoughts exactly.

Also, aren't you at all concerned that your kid might find that stuff? This seems really irresponsible to me, but hey, I'm not the parent. You are.
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post #8 of 90
4/28/05 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by Doug Graham
My thoughts exactly.

Also, aren't you at all concerned that your kid might find that stuff? This seems really irresponsible to me, but hey, I'm not the parent. You are.
I don't keep any drugs in the house. A cardinal rule.
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post #9 of 90
4/28/05 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by Jubei
If these things are against the law, I would most certainly stop. You are definitely putting your loved ones in a dangerous situation, regardless of any health factors. If the thought is even occuring to you that maybe it's time to stop, then by all fucking means you should do so.
My indulgence is without doubt against the law. That said I doubt the maximum I've carried about would get me anything greater than a caution in the UK. No one I know has ever been arrested for possession of Cannabis. As for LSD or Ecstasy, the worst I've heard of (in relation to the quantities I carry) is a warning from the police.
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post #10 of 90
4/28/05 at 9:24pm
Well, drugs do get a knee-jerk reaction from the authorities on this side of the pond, I'll admit. I would say I'm a pretty conservative guy, but there are some things, like cannabis, that I wouldn't mind seeing legal as I don't see it destroying America anytime soon. But there's some stuff out there that's just plain bad for you, and bad for the people around you, and are going to shorten your life and make you just plain stupid in the future, no matter if the law is involved or not.

If you've been doing this for a while, then maybe you can chalk it up to a phase and move on. You have the experience that you can pass on, and maybe when your son is in his 30's you can still be coherent enough to have some important conversations with him. The kids never stop learning from their parents.

Like I said, if you're even thinking about it, maybe it's time to say "well, that was a good run" and find a new hobby.
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post #11 of 90
4/28/05 at 9:32pm
I say stop. But what do I know.
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post #12 of 90
4/28/05 at 9:56pm
I think you're an intelligent and responsible gent, so I don't see why not. No one would question you if you went out to a bar and got shit-faced every once in a while. And, as I'm sure you're already aware, LSD, and Cannabis are far less harmful than booze, and even E isn't nearly as dangerous as it's made out to be (as long as you know what you're getting).

Recreational drug use isn't juvenile, it's the abuse.
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post #13 of 90
4/28/05 at 10:01pm
As long as what you're doing doesn't adversely affect your personal or professional environment (ie your wife, kid, or job) then do whatever the hell you want.

But maybe (and this is a big maybe, and only my opinion), 33 is a good age to change. What about the money you spend? Could you use it for something else? I don't know how much that stuff costs, I've never touched it, but maybe there's something more worthwhile to spend your hard-earned bucks on?

Or not.
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post #14 of 90
4/28/05 at 10:06pm
You're really the only one who knows whether the drugs are having a negative effect on any part of your life...

You already know, so ya don't need to ask us.... now it's just a matter of being honest with yourself.
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post #15 of 90
4/28/05 at 10:06pm
Yes you should stop. And give me your stash. God knows I could use a good smoke !
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post #16 of 90
4/28/05 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Where I live, it's more difficult to buy a tin of baked beans from the local store.
You wouldn't happen to have an extra bedroom, would you?
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post #17 of 90
4/29/05 at 12:17am
Drugs are bad. M'kay.
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post #18 of 90
4/29/05 at 3:21am
Geoff you're a smart/cool cat give it up its time. If not for yourself then for your loved ones.
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post #19 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:27am
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Originally Posted by DeviatedPrevert
As long as what you're doing doesn't adversely affect your personal or professional environment (ie your wife, kid, or job) then do whatever the hell you want.

But maybe (and this is a big maybe, and only my opinion), 33 is a good age to change. What about the money you spend? Could you use it for something else? I don't know how much that stuff costs, I've never touched it, but maybe there's something more worthwhile to spend your hard-earned bucks on?

Or not.
It's odd you should mention money, because I did a cost/effect analysis last week:

LSD: $3.00 per tab - Duration of effects: 6+ hours

Ecstasy: 70c per pill - Duration of effects: 3+ hours

Cannabis: 15c per smoke - Duration of effect: 1/2 hour +

I can drink quite a lot before I'm legless, so a night on the booze will cost me $36 (8 pints).

I suppose if I were a coke monster (a few of my friends are) I could really chew up the money, but I stay away from that stuff.

I try to be as careful as possible. For instance, I only smoke cannabis at a friend’s house. I packed in smoking cigarettes years ago and I don’t want the temptation of tobacco in the house. Ecstasy I limit to once or perhaps twice in a month because the comedowns can be jarring. LSD is tougher to lay hands on right now and the nature of that drug means it’s pretty much impossible to really abuse it (taking a tab a day later induces little effect). I think I will knock LSD on the head very soon because I’m out of the game for too long with it. I try to be pretty responsible in other ways such as never driving whilst under the influence, keeping a lid on the amounts I take etc.

There’s no doubt I’ll draw a line at some point, but right now the odd session doesn’t interfere with my life.
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post #20 of 90
4/29/05 at 8:54am
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One thing that has always fascinated me about illegal drugs trade is how a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR industry (the most profitable on the planet?) can pervade all levels of society without anyone ever noticing it.
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post #21 of 90
4/29/05 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
...or am I okay carrying on the way I am?
I'd say you starting this thread is a big fat "NO" answer to this question.
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post #22 of 90
4/29/05 at 9:13am
You sound as if you have a plan. I would kick the LSD in the head as it's always been a little evil drug. We all know Cannabis should be legal, so everyone stop the preaching.

I don't drink or take drugs but I have done both a long time ago for experimentation. I don't see how you can condemn something without knowing what it's about. (I haven't tried every drug) I do see recreational usage as being ok. Sounds like your being sensible in it and if it stops you from getting drunk once a week that sounds fine by me. Alcohol is fucking evil, of that I'm sure.
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post #23 of 90
4/29/05 at 10:22am
As long as you don't do it within your child's sight and you don't end up in jail, then fine...

Be careful, Geoff. I don't know how it is over the big pond, but an afternoon with the substances you list here in Texas can cost you your family.
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post #24 of 90
4/29/05 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by kittyinjammies
As long as you don't do it within your child's sight and you don't end up in jail, then fine...

Be careful, Geoff. I don't know how it is over the big pond, but an afternoon with the substances you list here in Texas can cost you your family.
Yeah, I've always been confused by the Draconian approach to drugs in the US. Or should I say some parts of the US? Considering the huge amounts that were consumed over there during the 60s and 70s, I'm surprised a slightly more liberal attitude hasn't developed.

I remember watching Fear & Loathing a few months back with a friend. We were both smoking huge chongs the moment Thompson drove past the sign saying something like "Welcome to Vegas - possession 20 years, dealing - LIFE". Talk about a paranoia attack!

Where I live I'd say 1 in 8 people under the age of 40 smoke cannabis. I suspect that figure is higher since many don't feel comfortable disucussing their habit. I don't know any users (as opposed to dealers) who have received anything greater than a warning from the police (Cannabis was downgraded to a Class C drug in the UK two years ago, which pretty much guarantees a warning for casual use).
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post #25 of 90
4/29/05 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Parker
Sounds like your being sensible in it and if it stops you from getting drunk once a week that sounds fine by me. Alcohol is fucking evil, of that I'm sure.
Oddly enough, many police officers would prefer the total legalisation of cannabis and alcohol made illegal. Given the amounts of blood spilled outside nightclubs at 2AM every Sunday morning, it's not difficult to understand why.
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post #26 of 90
4/29/05 at 12:14pm
Given that you're a user who has sat down and done a cost/effect analysis and seem to be in an environment that at least is trying to be mature about drug usage (I honestly didn't know this about the UK), it doesn't sound like you should be subject to the generally infantile American attitude towards drugs. (And that includes the "just say no" crowd and my crowd.)

I think you know the answer to your questions better than anyone. You know when you want to keep doing something and whether it isn't getting in the way. And you know when you want to stop. I quit acid about 11 years ago because I just felt it was time to stop. It hasn't stopped me from trying other stuff, stuff that I like a lot. None of it has caused me to neglect anyone or lose my job or house. True, in Texas, I'm risking getting slammed, but that's part of being extemely careful (and not trafficing in massive amounts of the stuff). But when I don't want to do it anymore or I feel it's in my way, it will go away. When I was in my early twenties I couldn't imagine a whole evening without getting drunk (the governmentally approved addiction!). Now it's a very rare thing, and even then not as severe as it used to be. That change wasn't because someone told me to knock it off or because people frowned on it. I just knew it was time to stop.

I think you'll know when it's time to stop or not to stop, too. And no one can decide that for you. You'll know when you know.
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post #27 of 90
4/29/05 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
My indulgence is without doubt against the law. That said I doubt the maximum I've carried about would get me anything greater than a caution in the UK. No one I know has ever been arrested for possession of Cannabis. As for LSD or Ecstasy, the worst I've heard of (in relation to the quantities I carry) is a warning from the police.
So as a father of three I have to ask, is the message you want to send to your bins "It's OK to break the law as long as you only get a slap on the wrist."? I mean I think your usage amount sounds like it's under control and I actually think that the cannabis and LSD should be legalized in the US (not as sure about ecstasy, since I don't know jack about long term effects), but as it stands they are currently illegal so that's my only concern.
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post #28 of 90
4/29/05 at 1:36pm
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Yeah, I've always been confused by the Draconian approach to drugs in the US. Or should I say some parts of the US? Considering the huge amounts that were consumed over there during the 60s and 70s, I'm surprised a slightly more liberal attitude hasn't developed.
Don't forget, when you buy drugs, the terrorists win.
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post #29 of 90
4/29/05 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
I'd say you starting this thread is a big fat "NO" answer to this question.
I agree. If you are having doubts, its probably not such a good idea.

On the other hand, I still do recreational drugs and am turning 30 in a few weeks, so I can't judge. I would avoid LSD however. That can fuck you up way more than the other two. In fact, I wish I had some ectasy. I haven't done that in awhile. That's definitely my preferred drug of choice.
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post #30 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:08pm
Bullshit. Micah is spot on with this. Stop it for your wife and child.
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post #31 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:11pm
Ummm, it isn't hurting his wife and child.
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post #32 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Capt. Eucalyptus
So as a father of three I have to ask, is the message you want to send to your bins "It's OK to break the law as long as you only get a slap on the wrist."?
Not at all and I know this will be the reason that puts a full stop after my drug use at some point.
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post #33 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Not at all and I know this will be the reason that puts a full stop after my drug use at some point.
What are you waiting for?
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post #34 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
What are you waiting for?
Tomorrow.
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post #35 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:41pm
Today is yesterday's tomorrow.
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post #36 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Today is yesterday's tomorrow.
That sounds like the opening line of a bad love song.
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post #37 of 90
4/29/05 at 2:52pm
Sorry.. I love you.. but I'm not "in love" with you.
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post #38 of 90
4/29/05 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Sorry.. I love you.. but I'm not "in love" with you.
Now you're reviving some unpleasant memories of embarrassing moments with women in night clubs. Stop it.
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post #39 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Doing pot, LSD and E on a regular basis indicates to me that...

...your life when sober is pretty freakin' pathetic.

No offense or anything.
You're assumptions indicate to everyone else that you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.
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post #40 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:08pm
I can't imagine parenting on LSD, but I'm not going to be one to chastise drug use. I'd say stick to pot as there's just a lot less that can go wrong.
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post #41 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Doing pot, LSD and E on a regular basis indicates to me that...

...your life when sober is pretty freakin' pathetic.

No offense or anything.
This is akin to saying "If you drink beer, your life sucks".
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post #42 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Doing pot, LSD and E on a regular basis indicates to me that...

...your life when sober is pretty freakin' pathetic.
Have you considered working for the Samaritans?
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post #43 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
This is akin to saying "If you drink beer, your life sucks".
It does when you wake up the next morning.
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post #44 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:37pm
Damn hippie.
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post #45 of 90
4/29/05 at 4:57pm
If this is your breakfast you may have a problem:

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post #46 of 90
4/29/05 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Suttytx
If this is your breakfast you may have a problem:
I had a very bad experience with bottom right.
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post #47 of 90
4/29/05 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
Ummm, it isn't hurting his wife and child.
It would if he begins to suffer from any of the long term consequences of repeated LSD use. Or if he gets busted and punishment is more than a slap on the wrist. Or perhaps child welfare - or something similar over there - is called and removes the kid if he gets caught.

I don't keep any drugs in the house. A cardinal rule. Well that's fucking fantastic! What a great rule! It's important to have rules around the family house regarding serious drugs and where to keep them. Where do you keep them? Buried in the backyard? In the tool shed? No pity from here if your kid stumbles across them someday.

Your double in America is living in a trailer. What do they call white trash in Britain?
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post #48 of 90
4/29/05 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by OhioJones
Your double in America is living in a trailer. What do they call white trash in Britain?
Concorde.
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post #49 of 90
4/29/05 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
I can't imagine parenting on LSD, but I'm not going to be one to chastise drug use. I'd say stick to pot as there's just a lot less that can go wrong.
I've had some very bad experiences on pot. I'd say give it up, Geoff. Doing drugs is like a really, really heavy night on booze, not like a couple of pints down the local.

Really good memories though. I'll keep those.
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post #50 of 90
4/29/05 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by OhioJones
Your double in America is living in a trailer. What do they call white trash in Britain?
The "undeserving poor"? The British are so polite.
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