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post #51 of 90
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
This is akin to saying "If you drink beer, your life sucks".
Actually I drink beer but not to the point of intoxication. And if you're gettign drunk on a regular basis, well...
post #52 of 90
It's good to know my family is white trash Ohio, I'll be sure to let them know.
post #53 of 90
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
I've had some very bad experiences on pot. I'd say give it up, Geoff. Doing drugs is like a really, really heavy night on booze, not like a couple of pints down the local.
All my bad experiences on drugs could have been prevented if I knew the true nature of the drug. For instance, I went into complete panic meltdown after dropping FOUR acid tabs when I was in my early twenties.

Basically, I thought I was dying. Now, had I known the symptoms I was experiencing were perfectly normal and not dangerous in any way I could have snapped out of it in an instant. But I didn't, hence I had to be carried upstairs and dropped in the bedroom.

Now, some will say "If that didn't convince you to pack in, you must be a fool" - and I think that's a perfectly reasonable accusation. I'm not a perfect man. I've never claimed to be.

But, in an attempt to broaden the debate slightly, let me say this. It is estimated that between 500,000 and 1,000,000 people will consume an illegal drug in the UK this weekend. This is despite the best efforts of the police who have, quite clearly, lost the war on drugs.

How many of the "newbies" have any idea about what they are getting involved in? How many of these people will experience the same problems I did because their government is too stubborn (and fearful) to give them information that could prevent them from harm, or even save their lives? Why is it that club owners can put up notices about "Safe Ecstasy Use" (not drinking too much, or drinking too little etc.) yet the politicians can't stir themselves to say a word?

Right now, people who take Ecstasy for the first time will more than likely only discover the bad effects after they've taken the pill. For a person who suffers from depression, this could be dangerous, if not lethal if they don't connect the effects with the pill (Ecstasy can make some people depressed and low days after consumption).

If I knew the realities of drugs, NOT the propaganda (which is often as far from the truth as you can get), I would never have landed myself in the scrapes I did when I was younger. I may never even have taken drugs at all. This is certainly not an excuse and I am in no way attempting to justify my actions, however I think it’s time governments started putting pragmatism before dogma on this issue because there are people out there who really do need sound advice and help.
post #54 of 90
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Really? Explain why. Can't wait to see how a guy who fails to grasp the difference between "your" and "you are" is going to put me in my place. Fire away, I need a laugh.

It's not like I have anything against a little recreational drug use. I'm just saying that if you need ALL THREE of those drugs for recreation, you might have some problems. No?
I don't "need" all three. If I can abstain for months (even years) without any problems I guess I don't "need" any of them. I do enjoy them though.

BTW, I don't take all three. It's more a case of whichever is available.
post #55 of 90
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Really? Explain why. Can't wait to see how a guy who fails to grasp the difference between "your" and "you are" is going to put me in my place. Fire away, I need a laugh.

It's not like I have anything against a little recreational drug use. I'm just saying that if you need ALL THREE of those drugs for recreation, you might have some problems. No?
Ah, yes, the grammar defense. Clearly that typo on my part is indicative of my inability to "grasp" the difference between "your" and "you are", let alone any capacity I have to "put you in your place". Your intellectual superiority over me having been demonstrated incontravertibaly, I demur in my ignorance from any further opinion on the matter.
post #56 of 90
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Originally Posted by JuddL
Your intellectual superiority over me having been demonstrated incontravertibaly,
incontrovertibly
post #57 of 90
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Originally Posted by Desslar
incontrovertibly
I already admitted I'm an idiot, what more do you want?
post #58 of 90
I really don't think a message board is really the place to field such a question, especially for someone who is 33 and has a wife and child.
post #59 of 90
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
I really don't think a message board is really the place to field such a question, especially for someone who is 33 and has a wife and child.
Why?
post #60 of 90
Because the input of strangers in order to evaluate how you personally relate to your family and your drug habits is worthless. We don't know you. We've never met your family. We've never seen how various drugs affect you. You shouldn't be living your life by a show of hands.
post #61 of 90
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Because the input of strangers in order to evaluate how you personally relate to your family and your drug habits is worthless. We don't know you. We've never met your family. We've never seen how various drugs affect you. You shouldn't be living your life by a show of hands.
Hang on, since when was honest discussion a bad thing? What if a person on the brink of suicide because of drug abuse (which I certainly am not) ventured onto this board and asked a few tentative questions? Would you demand he, who may be crying out for a shoulder to rest on, sit down and shut the hell up?
post #62 of 90
You know what you need to do. Do it.
post #63 of 90
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Originally Posted by Colt45
You know what you need to do. Do it.
Please accept my congratulations. Your athletic evasion of the question demands an Olympic medal.
post #64 of 90
I don't know what's worse: That this is a boring and stupid boast post or that there are so many clueless people here riding very, very tall Sanctimony Steeds.
post #65 of 90
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Originally Posted by devincf
I don't know what's worse: That this is a boring and stupid boast post or that there are so many clueless people here riding very, very tall Sanctimony Steeds.
Boring enough to add to it? Come on Dev, lift your game <grin>
post #66 of 90
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Please accept my congratulations. Your athletic evasion of the question demands an Olympic medal.
Now you're attacking the people giving the advice YOU ASKED FOR. You really are pathetic. Keep doing drugs and OD in front of your kid for all I care.
post #67 of 90
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I don't know what's worse: That this is a boring and stupid boast post or that there are so many clueless people here riding very, very tall Sanctimony Steeds.
I'll agree with the sanctimonious part, but I don't think it's a boast post. Now if he'd said, "I'm getting drugs this weekend because I need to escape the pressure of having such an enormous cock". . .well, then maybe.

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Now you're attacking the people giving the advice YOU ASKED FOR. You really are pathetic. Keep doing drugs and OD in front of your kid for all I care.
Over-react much?
post #68 of 90
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Originally Posted by Bayouradio

Over-react much?
Sure, it's the internet. And besides, I offered my opinion and I got attacked for trying to help somebody who asked for it, so fuck him.
post #69 of 90
No, it's a boast post. he's showing us how cool and non-mainstream he is. And this board's full of pretty square people when it comes to drugs, so he knows he'll get the reaction he got.
post #70 of 90
I'm just sorry there wasn't a poll on this topic. I'm all about the one-word advice giving.
post #71 of 90
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I offered my opinion and I got attacked for trying to help somebody who asked for it, so fuck him.
Best of luck in helping someone in need in the future.

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Originally Posted by devincf
No, it's a boast post. he's showing us how cool and non-mainstream he is. And this board's full of pretty square people when it comes to drugs, so he knows he'll get the reaction he got.
I admit I don't know much about the tenor of the board in general. In which case, based on what Geoff has admitted to, I guess I'm a lost cause. I'll keep that in mind for future posts. (No sarcasm intended.)
post #72 of 90
It doesn't seem like a good example to set for one's kids, but then again if you can sell enough on the side to put them through college then maybe it's worth the risk.
post #73 of 90
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Originally Posted by Desslar
It doesn't seem like a good example to set for one's kids, but then again if you can sell enough on the side to put them through college then maybe it's worth the risk.
Aren't we a little self-righteous today?

Kids are going to experiment no matter what, and if you're honest with your kids about your own experiences and the dangers involved, your kids will be that much safer for it.
post #74 of 90
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[JuddL]Aren't we a little self-righteous today?
I'm not sure one needs to be particularly self-righteous to suggest it might be a poor influence for kids to see their parents doing drugs. Surely that isn't unreasonable?
post #75 of 90
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Originally Posted by Desslar
I'm not sure one needs to be particularly self-righteous to suggest it might be a poor influence for kids to see their parents doing drugs. Surely that isn't unreasonable?
Who are you kidding? It's absolutely self-righteous when you add in your comment about selling drugs to send his kids through college, and complete disregard of the fact that Geoff has already made it pretty clear he has no intention of getting fucked up in front of his kid.
post #76 of 90
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Originally Posted by devincf
No, it's a boast post. he's showing us how cool and non-mainstream he is.
No, THIS is a boast post.
post #77 of 90
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
If I knew the realities of drugs, NOT the propaganda (which is often as far from the truth as you can get), I would never have landed myself in the scrapes I did when I was younger. I may never even have taken drugs at all. This is certainly not an excuse and I am in no way attempting to justify my actions, however I think it’s time governments started putting pragmatism before dogma on this issue because there are people out there who really do need sound advice and help.
I'm with you all the way there. I've often argued that many problems could be avoided by proper drug education. But governments prefer to waste money on the unwinnable "War on Drugs"
post #78 of 90
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Hang on, since when was honest discussion a bad thing? What if a person on the brink of suicide because of drug abuse (which I certainly am not) ventured onto this board and asked a few tentative questions? Would you demand he, who may be crying out for a shoulder to rest on, sit down and shut the hell up?
I would tell them that there are special hotlines that have people who are trained to deal with such situations, and then give them the number.
post #79 of 90
Asking for drug advice from CHUD board members... wow, you must be pretty twisted Geoff. Keep some for me!
post #80 of 90
I've been smoking marijuana for years and I'm an experienced user (let me just boast and say connoisseur) of psychedelics, and here's what I have to say:

Do what makes you happy for as long as it makes you happy. If it's affecting your life negatively, then stop. I don't have a wife and kids. Frankly I'm proud of you. You seem responsible enough regarding your family's welfare and seem willing to give it up were it to endanger them.

Not everyone should use drugs. I don't think anything beside pot (and not even that for most people) can be safely used daily. At the height of my psychonaut days I was tripping about once a week and that's not a sustainable habit, healthwise or financially.

But for some types of people those kinds of drugs (psychedelics or pot; I don't advocate coke, etc.) can be an incredibly positive experience. They've been enormously beneficial to me in allowing me to make connections, synthesizing various concepts into related wholes, to see things in new ways, and accept or enjoy things which I thought that I couldn't. In short, they have been good for the expansion of my mind.
But again, not everyone will benefit.

And no one needs to use drugs, although I believe that under rare and controlled circumstances pot or psychedelics can help with emotional or behavioral problems. I enjoy the creative energy of psychedelic (and sometimes XTC) experiences and I have fun. It's recreational but always educational in unexpected ways.

Since recreational drug use is not going away, my stance is that we need responsible drug users setting examples for others. I try to be safe and responsible and educate others when I have the opportunity, despite the fact that I am breaking the law, and I accept those risks. I disagree with US drug legislation, but I don't want the world to be full of high school partiers who take LSD just to see the pretty colors.

It's a great college drug, though. College professors are fond of filling their students heads with facts and ideas that high schools won't deal with becuase (I suppose) the consensus is that kids aren't ready for them yet. After a year or so of that, swallowing 4 or 5 grams of shrooms, one cannot avoid thinking of those things. I remember I would agonize over a paper and write it at the last moment (although I was pretty good at getting the research done ahead of time). The problem was that I didn't really leave myself enough time to think through the ideas, and so if I found myself tripping the weekend after I turned in the paper, I couldn't help but to rewrite the paper in my head, with all kinds of ideas springing up that I wished I had considered before. Still, overall that kind of trip is beneficial to a mind like mine.

Bottom line: My opinion is that you, Geoff, are doing a fine job of being a descent human being. Frankly I'm surprised you use drugs at all because you are obviously very intelligent, but I shouldn't be, because it seems like you're setting the kind of example I want to see in someone who uses drugs "recreationally."
post #81 of 90
Careful, Geoff. The Old Bill are starting to come down hard on Pills and Acid posession. even if youve only got 3 or 4 pills and a couple of tabs of acid, the OB could come down on you like a ton of bricks for dealing.
My mate isnt a dealer but a heavy user who sorts his mates out, and hes had a tip-off that the OB are cracking down, espec in the south round Lodnod, if thats where you live. Raves are on the increase around northants/cambridge/norwich hence the crack down.
post #82 of 90
Oh god, that doesn't mean dance music is coming back does it?
post #83 of 90
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
Oh god, that doesn't mean dance music is coming back does it?
It's time to make the floor burn.
post #84 of 90
Where do you live? Which city. Did I read correctly that a tab of LSD is 3 bucks and E is....75 cents? I might be moving to Europe soon so I am curious.
post #85 of 90
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
Oh god, that doesn't mean dance music is coming back does it?
Back? It never went away, brother. It never went away.
big rave-up in a abandoned warehouse in Milton Keynes over the May bank holiday if you want to get your head done in!!!!
post #86 of 90
I tried pot once.

Then I clicked on a banner ad, but I never got my PSP.

*EDIT* And furthermore, I'd give it up. Let the teens and twenties without other obligations get blasted out of their minds. Spend that time being happy with such a great family, and spend that extra energy doting on your kid, because you know the day will come when they won't want that sort of attention anymore, and you'll regret having wasted time on other things. I know that's rather general, but just my two cents.

"There is a time and a place for drugs, and that place is college."
post #87 of 90
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Originally Posted by EchoBase
Back? It never went away, brother. It never went away.
big rave-up in a abandoned warehouse in Milton Keynes over the May bank holiday if you want to get your head done in!!!!
I think Andrew is a touch intimidated by dance floor demigods like us who can effortlessly ensnare stunning women with our moveZZZZZZ.

<grin>
post #88 of 90
My 30th birthday is next week and my friends know in lieu of buying me drinks at the bar, drugs are a welcome alternative.
post #89 of 90
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Originally Posted by Diva
My 30th birthday is next week and my friends know in lieu of buying me drinks at the bar, drugs are a welcome alternative.
To be honest, if I were a women, especially living the UK, I'd be a bit paranoid about hitting the town for a night of booze and drugs. We've got real problems over here with guys spiking drinks with Rohypnol and Liquid Ecstasy.

One of the girls I work with had her vodka and coke laced with Crystal Meth. She was in a bad way for a couple of days.

It’s coming to something when people are forced to guard their own drinks as if their lives depend on it.
post #90 of 90
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
To be honest, if I were a women, especially living the UK, I'd be a bit paranoid about hitting the town for a night of booze and drugs. We've got real problems over here with guys spiking drinks with Rohypnol and Liquid Ecstasy.

One of the girls I work with had her vodka and coke laced with Crystal Meth. She was in a bad way for a couple of days.

It’s coming to something when people are forced to guard their own drinks as if their lives depend on it.
Oh, I don't take drugs form strangers nor do I go to bars I don't know well. I only hang out in local bars where everyone knows your name, as they say, and the drugs come from trusted sources.
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