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"Bringing Out the Dead" is a masterpiece

post #1 of 26
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This is already becoming one of Scorsese's most unloved, forgotten films and I can't see why. This is definitely one of those films that needs a second look to be fully appreciated, but there is so much to love here.

Nicolas Cage, in one of his truly best and most fitting roles, is Frank the paramdic, haunted by ghosts of people who died on him. But eally, as written by Paul Schrader, this is a lok at the inner demons of being out there, every night, in NYC, among te worst and seeng the worst that the city has to offer.

Maybe I'm reading a bit into it, but I also see the Ghosts of Christmas Present, Past, and Future, embodied in John Goodman, Ving Rhames, and Tom Sizemore. Each ride with Frank at different points, each have a different outlook on the job. Goodman views it as a job, a way to pay the bills. Rhames as a divine calling, Jesus working throgh him on earth. And Sizemore is in it for the adrenaline thrills and as a means to play God, a vigilante-style paramedic out for blood any way he can. And they each ort of coincide with Frank's views at diffrent points in the film.

Cage and Schrader really take some iteresting looks at life and death. My favorite passge is when Frank admits that his training is only relevant 10 of the time, an that he saves life even less than that. He is there to "bear witness. I am a grief mop. It's enough that I just show up." Powerful stuff. Scorsese's direction s vibrant and alive, and Robert Richardsons cinematogaphy makes the horrific breathtaking. Even Elmer Bernstein proides an uncharacteristically moody score that works perfectly.

And yet no on seems to ever mention this film. I don't get it at all. Please tell me there are a bunch of closet admirers for this film.
post #2 of 26
I'm not sure that it's really as unappreciated as you think. The problem is that, with someone whose career is as long and celebrated as Scorsese's, people tend to focus on the older "classic" films in his repertoire. I think a lot of people admire the film; it simply hasn't gained the status of age the way something like Taxi Driver or Raging Bull has. I recall it being very well reviewed. I think if you give it the perspective of another ten years, it will gain recognition.
post #3 of 26
I have wondered the same thing for years. The fact that that this movie is never mentioned baffles me. It's definitely one of my top ten. To me there's something so authentic and natural in each of the actors' performance, and I like how Cage gets more burned out with each co-worker he rides with. It's an outstanding film, and never gets dull or boring no matter how many times I see it.
post #4 of 26
Personally (and I think for many others) the thing that kept me from watching this again and again is the horrorshow that was Cage's wife at the time: Patricia Arquette! While her, how shall I put this gently, "interesting" looks may have worked for True Romance or Lost Highway, I find her difficult to look at for the course of an entire movie. Her acting in this one is abominable, and further, her part is absolutely unnecessary for the story (kind of like Diaz in GONY). I think she was written in at the last minute becase Nic was married to her (or engaged, or whatever).
Anyway, it's a shame that an otherwise terrific movie is flawed by her presence. I'd love to see a "Phantom Edit" style cut of BOTD though!
post #5 of 26
DEAD is a movie that didn't quite leave a mark on me. The "ghost" analogy with the various partners is interesting though. I think I would have liked to have seen Cage stick with just one partner the whole way, I'd go with Sizemore since I thought he was the bigger contrast to Cage. Goodman and Rhames could have been another set that Cage runs into. I'm sure paramedics do switch off like that but for a movie I would have liked more of a cohesive relationship to examine. I do agree that Arquette is kind of a non-entity in this one.

I still think Scorsese's most underrated film is KING OF COMEDY. People tend to think of it as a good movie but I find it amazing how they took the formula for TAXI DRIVER and sort melded it into a very humorous film. It really holds up well in the celebrity obsessed culture we live in today.
post #6 of 26
Even though I think the book is better, I think the film is great and I think this is as close as you can get to the energy the book had. I bought the book when I was a junior in high school (the movie came out in theaters two months later) and finished reading it two weeks before the movie came out. I remember the reviews being mixed (Ebert gave it four stars, this site gave it a 6.0, I think). The part when they show Cage's face after the baby dies really got to me. My favorite scene was when they go to Cy's place to save him while he's impaled.

By the way, to theAardvark, Arquette's role is in the book. The other roles I remember that they left out were Cage's ex-wife (which I thought was odd because she's plays a huge part in the book) and the other paramedics, Veeber and Stanley.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
I'm not sure that it's really as unappreciated as you think. The problem is that, with someone whose career is as long and celebrated as Scorsese's, people tend to focus on the older "classic" films in his repertoire. I think a lot of people admire the film; it simply hasn't gained the status of age the way something like Taxi Driver or Raging Bull has. I recall it being very well reviewed. I think if you give it the perspective of another ten years, it will gain recognition.
Perhaps, but consider that "Gangs of New York", which I love but find to be one of Scorsese's most uneven efforts, was a Best Picture nominee, as was "The Aviator". Even "Casino", which I think is one of his worst films, is more widely known. I rank this pretty high within Scorsese's filmography, and while I know that its admired, it doesn't seem to have many very vocal fans.

I think Patricia Arquette works quite well actually. I mean, if we're looking at the work of paramedics and the madness of this hospital, it makes sense to show how a normal family member might view the whole thing. She is the only thing sort of keeping Frank grounded and not off the deep end, and her father provides him with a chance to put things right in his own mind. And whether you like her looks or not, she definitely plays as the former addict struggling to get by.

This makes me even more regretful that Sizemore and Rhames don't get more quality work. They both had a streak, at around the same time, where they were playing in all the greats films. Now Rhames is doing TV and DTV stuff, and Sizemore is an absolute mess.

I love Rhames in every scene. "Never give mouth to mouth. Most of the time you just end up with a mouthful of puke. Junkie puke." and his flirting with the dispatcher. And Sizemore's relationship with his "bus", "I have tried to kill this bus, but he will not die. I respect that."

I like this the more I think about it.
post #8 of 26
everyone i know thinks this film is the pants.
Of all those really call Nocturne movies, the ones that always take place from midnight to dawn, this is one of the best ones.
Its one of my fave New York movies as well, I love R.R. photography and the editing just keeps it going at a cracking pace.
I think that when Marty snuffs it and the big Retrospective takes place, this is going to be one of the films that gets the most praise.
post #9 of 26
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I also think that Nicolas Cage is perfectly suited for his role here. The night owl, going crazy, tormented paramedic. His whole look works for Frank, and he nails the Scorsese voice-over, something not everyone has done. I think a lot of the time he tries to wdge himself into roles that he either doesn't fit into or can just be passable in. But every now and then there is an "Adaptation" or "Matchstick Men", and that's where he really excels. I'd say this is easily close to his best performance.
post #10 of 26
Yeah, BOTD is a great, great film, like Kundun. For such gems to be overlooked really says a lot about the general quality Scorsese's output.

And Patricia Arquette is really good in it, just like she was in Ed Wood or Human Nature or Lost Highway.
post #11 of 26
I personally love this movie, but one thing I've noticed is that it bums a lot of people out. I've shown this to a lot of friends(non "movie geek" friends) who think it's a good movie but never want to watch it again because it is quite draining. They had the same reaction to Magnolia.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Stew
I think a lot of the time he tries to wdge himself into roles that he either doesn't fit into or can just be passable in. But every now and then there is an "Adaptation" or "Matchstick Men", and that's where he really excels. I'd say this is easily close to his best performance.
Absolutely. It's his work in these movies and Raising Arizona and Leaving Las Vegas where I find he truly inhabits the characters and reminds me of what a fine actor this man is, and helps me forgive him G60s and windtalkers.

Plus this movie has some great music, editing, a cast that is goddamn ridiculously on point in every scene, (except PA) and quotes galore....:

-What the hell kinda name is I BE BANGING?
-RISE UP, I BE BANGIN!!
-If you let go of this hand, I swear I won't kill you
-The wind my black ass, that was Jesus, don't tell me bout the good book, i'll preach heaven and smack the hell out of you
-It's great to be drunk, sobriety's killing me
-I have tried to kill him, many times...and he will not die. I have great respect for that.
post #13 of 26
This is just lovely, literally, and in execution:

"Saving someone's life is like falling in love. The best drug in the world. For days, sometimes weeks afterwards, you walk the streets, making infinite whatever you see. Once, for a few weeks, I couldn't feel the earth - everything I touched became lighter. Horns played in my shoes. Flowers fell from my pockets. You wonder if you've become immortal, as if you've saved your own life as well. God has passed through you. Why deny it, that for a moment there - why deny that for a moment there, God was you?"
post #14 of 26
I couldn't agree more with the love for this movie.

I also think Nexus has a strong point. The general movie-going public doesn't tend to like sad, downer movies, and this movies can certainly leave people a bit depressed.

I'm also thankful for this thread, because I hadn't thought about this movie in a while, and it is a big favorite of my wife's, so I think I'll be purchasing it this week so I can watch it again.
post #15 of 26
Hmm...thanks y'all I'ma have to check this movie out now.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by kungfumonkeyboy
I also think Nexus has a strong point. The general movie-going public doesn't tend to like sad, downer movies, and this movies can certainly leave people a bit depressed.
I think this movie does have that reputation, but a bit underservedly so I think. Its nowhere near as dark as "Taxi Driver" IMO, and actually leaves on a rather hopeful ending. Not only has Frank saved a baby, Nole, and the drug dealer, he has more controversially "helped" that father of Arquette's character. He then gets a reassuring visit from Rose and the first good night's sleep in ages with Arquette, complete with sunrise.

And it has a lot more humor than I initially remembered, mostly from Rhames and "Griss", but Sizemore is pretty hilarious too at times.
post #17 of 26
Scorsese is perceived as only making downbeat films but in truth he is also a black humour master - After Hours is a gem, and both King of Comedy and Bringing Out The Dead are so dark a lot of people don't realise they are comedies.

"Don't make me take off my sunglasses!"
post #18 of 26
Finally! Love for this movie and hate for Arquette!
post #19 of 26
I was surprised how much i liked the film when i saw it on Showtime or something years ago, i wasn't expecting much from the trailer, i was down on both Nic Cage and Scorcese at the time, but it really is a great over looked film.

Really great shot with the sparks and the drug dealer impaled on the side of the building.
post #20 of 26
It's an excellent movie, for all of the reasons mentioned. I'll add that I love the use of "Rang Tang Ding Dong" and the shot of the fish tank during the hallucination scene. As for why this was overlooked - 1999 was a fantastic year. Had this been released in 2005, it would have gotten raves, but wedged between movies like "American Beauty" and "Fight Club," it got lost in the shuffle. It's in the same league as those films, but it's subtler and more challenging.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by the pot.
Absolutely. It's his work in these movies and Raising Arizona and Leaving Las Vegas where I find he truly inhabits the characters and reminds me of what a fine actor this man is, and helps me forgive him G60s and windtalkers.

Plus this movie has some great music, editing, a cast that is goddamn ridiculously on point in every scene, (except PA) and quotes galore....:

-What the hell kinda name is I BE BANGING?
-RISE UP, I BE BANGIN!!
-If you let go of this hand, I swear I won't kill you
-The wind my black ass, that was Jesus, don't tell me bout the good book, i'll preach heaven and smack the hell out of you
-It's great to be drunk, sobriety's killing me
-I have tried to kill him, many times...and he will not die. I have great respect for that.
You forgot "Don't worry, their prescription...they work better with a bottle of whiskey."
post #22 of 26
Hey Stew,
Thanks for starting this thread. "Bringing Out the Dead" finally percolated to the top of my Netflix queue, and I loved every minute of it.
post #23 of 26
I saw this in the theater and thought it was a great film. I bought the DVD used about 5 years ago and have never sat down to watch it again. I need to take it with me on vacation next week.
post #24 of 26
I've owned this DVD since it first came out, but I've never gone back to give it a 2nd chance. I wasn't impressed with it in the theater - it was okay, it had it share of funny moments, but I remembered it as being a depressing chore to sit through. But I finally got around to watching it again this past weekend and couldn't believe how good it actually is.

Frank is a depressed, morbid character, but the movie's not depressing. It's got an energy that I don't remember it having the first time. The parallels to Taxi Driver turned me off originally but not so much now. I see the films as bookends, dealing with the same themes but with different stories from different eras.

I think this movie came at the height of my love for Scorsese and suffered from my immense expectations for the film. The same with The Aviator: I liked it right off the bat in the theater, but came to apppreciate it more on DVD. I guess it's time to go back and revisit GoNY....
post #25 of 26
I don't know if I would call it a masterpiece but it certainly has some great turns by Cage and Sizemore. I agree that it does seem to be unfairly overlooked...but I LOVE The Color of Money which also seems to be overlooked as well.
post #26 of 26
Just revisited this, and I find myself a little conflicted by it. I think Cage gives a terrific performance, it's kinda littered with Cage-isms, but they work, and he actually acting in this. I like it as a series of vignettes, but I never get emotionally invested in the stuff with Arquette's Dad- although I think the culmination of the stuff with Noel really works.

I though that the partners kind of mirror Cage's mental state, from Goodman, who is able to keep it as a job, to Rhames, who needs the victories to keep getting him through, to Sizemore, who seems to cope by not giving a fuck either way.

The overarching message of 'forgive yourself' is kind of an obvious one but I can't really criticise it for that. Also noticed the increased speed of the editing as madness descends and Cage starts to crack, combined with the hallucinatory visuals, makes for some fucking great shots.

It's a movie that i find myself really enjoying as I watch it, but the further I get from watching it I find it more difficult to articulate anything that would lift the movie up to 'great' status.
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