Originally Posted by Fett
Oh fuck off.
Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
You misunderstand what I mean by "stretching himself".
That's a movie I'd like to see him tackle. That was a movie I thought would maybe prove he wasn't just an accomplished stylist toying with cliches. He's married to a musical icon, he's hardly skint himself. He could arguably use his name recognition to attempt any movie - and yet he's chosen to make a London gangster film with Jason Statham.
|That's disappointing to me - and that's the only point I was making. I still don't see how that represents the sort of "bile" that required your patronising finger-wagging first post.|
|I wasn't the one suggesting that either. However, your willingness to write him a pass for making a movie just to "keep the missus happy" paints him as either a) a pussy-whipped cuckold or b) a director who works out of convenience rather than compulsion.|
|Either way, I don't see how that is any less scathing than my feeling that he's taking the easy route by heading back to familiar territory for Revolver.|
|Precisely my point. Making Revolver doesn't strike me as a director learning his craft. We learn by challenging ourselves, not by doing stuff we know works. And the number of movies he has made is irrelevant - if his movies are made for public consumption then they're fair game for public comment. I'm not about to wait for people to have an acceptable number of movies under their belt before expressing an opinion on them.|
|And that's why I agreed the movie has a blatant nationalist skew. No question. But if they had actually shown the Italians as a bunch of bumbling inferior buffoons, if there had been specific Italian characters who were greasy and lazy and lecherous - then you'd almost have a valid comparison, though they'd still be two movies seperated by 30 years of cultural change.|
|You can't? He wrote the gypsy criminals as thugs and thieves. Why not write the Jewish jewellers in that vein?|
|There are dozens of ways to write criminal characters, but Richie opts for the most obvious - and how he writes them varies based on the characters race.
You honestly think the only characters that could have been involved in diamond smuggling were stereotypical greedy Jews? That that's the only character option available to him when he put pen to paper?
|Not true. The only character trait that the black characters in Snatch display is their idiocy. They're slapstick jiggaboos. Clowns. The other characters may make mistakes or get caught out, but they're never as boneheadedly dumb as the black guys. That's not a mistake or a coincidence.|
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
It is amazing how badly he let his relationship affect his filmmaking abilites. I could see it maybe if he was married to Beyonce, but Madonna?
Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
Let us be realistic here, she might have a face like a anteater's scrotum but between the sheets you know she's a bunny.
Originally Posted by Stew
First off, kudos to Dan and Geoff for one of the better film debates I've seen on here in a while.
I myself really enjoyed "Lock Stock" and "Snatch", as I think Ritchie has a knack for interesting characters, some good dialogue, and he's got a nice style, if at times overdone. I guess its what you compare films to. I've seen plenty of bad British gangster films, and bad movies in general, so I have enjoyed his stuff quite a bit. I somewhat see the stereotype argument, but I don't think its too in-your-face, especially not considering some of Tarantino's ear-splittingly racist dialogue as well. Either way, the black characters are buffoons in a movie mostly populated by buffoons, the Jews crooks in a movie where everyone is crooked.
I would agree more that it's lazy characterization rather than evidence of some covert racist outlook.
Originally Posted by Milkyway
The above goes for Kevin Smith as well, not that I want him to do another Clerks, but it's what he's good at so best of luck to him. I don't think anyone was telling Romero not to do another zombie movie.
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Originally Posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
Reviews from the UK: brutal.
Guy Ritchie at the premiere: booed.
All the reviewers who didn't understand it: too stupid according those associated with the film.