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BATMAN BEGINS sequel - Villains?

post #1 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:08pm
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Somewhat presumptuous, but it's a safe bet BB will make plenty of money and earn a sequel or two. So now's the matter of villains. Here's my odds about who will (or at least should) make the cut.



NOTE: SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!



JOKER - Odds: Even - He's all but been confirmed as having a part in the next film; whether he will be the main villain or just a supporting one is the big question. The discussion over actors who would play him is an entirely different thread subject.

TWO-FACE - Odds: 3 to 1 - The death of the D.A. in BB seems almost like a setup to bring in Harvey Dent. Also, assuming they'll be keeping Katie Holmes' character for the next film, a conflict with Batman and her (former) boss would make for a good dramatic arc.

THE PENGUIN - Odds: 3 to 1 - As a crime boss, he'd make a good foil for the assured Joker lunatics, and perhaps a competitor for the established Carmine Falcone (assuming he gets over that goofy gas.)

HARLEY QUINN - Odds: 5 to 1 - If Joker gets the main villain lead, chances are pretty good this popular character will at least net a small supporting role.

THE RIDDLER - Odds: 7 to 1 - His criminality doesn't seem to fit the the type of direction the creators seems to want the franchise to go in.

RA'S AL GHUL - Odds: 10 to 1 - Hey, he died! Or did he? Ra's is quite mysterious and could have survived Batman's final trap, but a double take on Ra's could feel too repetitive for audiences.

CATWOMAN - Odds: 10 to 1 - Too soon after the Halle Berry abortion to try with the character again.

THE SCARECROW - Odds: 12 to 1 - He's still on the loose, but lacks the charisma and recognizability to make good lead, and having him as a sidekick villain would be too repetitive.

MR. FREEZE - Odds: 20 to 1 - Bad memories of Arnie's preformance die hard.

THE CLOCK KING - Odds: 1,000 to 1 - Clocks are scary, right?
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post #2 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:11pm
If they were ballsy enough to use Scarecrow, I wouldn't completely discount Mad Hatter.
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post #3 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:20pm
Thread Starter 
Oh, I totally forgot about him. A Joker/Mad Hatter combo might actually work pretty well.

I'd say maybe 7 to 1 for him.
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post #4 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:23pm
I would love it if, befitting the likely overarching "fear" theme of what is to be a trilogy, Scarecrow showed up again in some aspect. Hell, he simply faded away. He's out there, and it would be a crime to not address this in the sequel. Then again, at the start of SPIDER-MAN 2 Spidey should have been wanted for the murder of Norman Osborne, but that turned out pretty damn good, so why complain?

And please... we need a bigger role for Mr. Zsasz. It's soooo coool that he showed up in the film.

From what I hear they are going with Joker and then Two-Face, and the name that's come up for Joker in the last year (and most recently, a week ago) is Lachey Hulme, an unknown that would give the character a fresh face.

The question is... do they dare approach Catwoman? Or Robin (perhaps that scared little boy Batman kept bumping into)? And is Ra's dead?

I think there's plenty of room to reimagine Batman's rogue's gallery as a collection of not-necessarily evil people. Maybe a threat here, a threat there, but essentially humans with nefarious goals. Still, with a BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN film coming in the future, how realistic can they go with Batman?
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post #5 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:29pm
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I can't see them heading back into Robin territory.

If Scarecrow shows up again, I'd expect it to be in some kind of cameo.
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post #6 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:32pm
I didn't know Ra's died. Thanks.
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post #7 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:36pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Fett
I didn't know Ra's died. Thanks.
There's a spoiler warning in my first post, but I'll make it bigger. Sorry about that.
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post #8 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:46pm
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post #9 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:52pm

Clayface!

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post #10 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:55pm
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Batman looks fairly delighted at seeing the clay snake.
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post #11 of 110
6/16/05 at 1:57pm
Well, he did just feel it growing longer, harder, and harder.
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post #12 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:12pm
"JOKER - Odds: Even - He's all but been confirmed as having a part in the next film; whether he will be the main villain or just a supporting one is the big question. The discussion over actors who would play him is an entirely different thread subject."

There is no way in Hell that the Joker will play second banana to anyone but Batman himself.

If anything I'd like to see The Penguin (in his current toned down "Gotti mode") as a supporting character, he could easily move into the spot that Falcone vacated.

Harvey Dent, and a Year One version of a pre-Catwoman Selina Kyle would be a really great supporting characters, and way of filling out Batman's world, instead of going for the villain of the week routine.

Shit, Catwoman is not even a villain these days anyway.
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post #13 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:13pm
No way Scarecrow has 12 to 1 odds. They made a point of mentioning that he got away. He'll at least make a cameo in the next film.

Now, is Willem Dafoe too obvious to play the joker?
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post #14 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:20pm
I would like to see the joker as the next villain. I would like it if they brought back Scarecrow as well. Maybe have the Scarecrow try and create a stronger fear toxin and by accident come up with Joker's laughing gas. I like the idea of having multiple villains running wild in Gotham. Gives the city more life.
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post #15 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dannychico
Now, is Willem Dafoe too obvious to play the joker?
His name was thrown around for the '89 film, but of course, that went nowhere. I'm actually more partial to Hugo Weaving or the relatively unknown (and apparently strong candidate) Aussie actor, Lachy Hulme.

I love fan favorite, Crispin Glover, but not as the Joker, he would have a good Scarecrow (not to say that I was disappointed with the excellent Murphy).
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post #16 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:25pm
Superman!
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post #17 of 110
6/16/05 at 2:37pm
Didn't I hear somewhere that Mark Hamill is actually a contender for the Joker role? If so, sorry Lachy (and believe me, he WOULD be a great Joker), he takes priority.

Still, the Joker's not even a question....Harley, on the other hand....seeing the Mad Love storyline play out in this version of the Batman universe would be a beautiful thing....I very much hope they get to it.
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post #18 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:27pm
I can't see the most famous villian in comics playing second banana villian in a Batman movie.
My won betting for film 2 is the Joker, with Dent being set up as Two Face in Film Three.

As for Catwoman, after what happened last year I got a feeling she is a loooonggg way down the road , if she happens at all.
I would not be surprised if Harley is the next lady in the rogues gallary.
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post #19 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:29pm
Sadly, I think people are overestimating Harley's popularity in this thread. Joker's a sure bet, a lock. He's THE villain. But that is in no way a guarantee of Harley Quinn, who's generally unknown outside of the circle of comics and animation fans. I'd say the chances of seeing her are rather slim. Though I've been known to be wrong in the past.
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post #20 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Sadly, I think people are overestimating Harley's popularity in this thread. Joker's a sure bet, a lock. He's THE villain. But that is in no way a guarantee of Harley Quinn, who's generally unknown outside of the circle of comics and animation fans. I'd say the chances of seeing her are rather slim. Though I've been known to be wrong in the past.
Normally I would agree, but if they went for a couple of unknown to the general public villians for the first film, I don't think that Harley is out of the question.
I think they will want a female opponent for Batman in a future film,, and Catwoman is damaged goods thanks to that little fiasco last year.
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post #21 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
Sadly, I think people are overestimating Harley's popularity in this thread. Joker's a sure bet, a lock. He's THE villain. But that is in no way a guarantee of Harley Quinn, who's generally unknown outside of the circle of comics and animation fans. .
Couldn't the same be said about Ra's Al Ghul and The Scarecrow?

EDIT: Beat to it as well.
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post #22 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:36pm
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Harley Quinn, who's generally unknown outside of the circle of comics and animation fans.
Couldn't you say the same thing about Falcone, Ras Al Ghul and Scarecrow?

Edit: BEAT TO IT
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post #23 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:41pm
I suppose, but being a character that's had a life span of less than ten years so far, Harley's still had a lot less exposure than any of the others.
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post #24 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:52pm
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I think that the Joker is likely set for MULTIPLE films, should more than one be made. Bale and others close to project have said repeatedly the biggest mistake the first film made was killing the Joker, so I doubt they would make the same choice of doing so.

I'm thinking he very well could be a secondary in the next film - like have him working as a hood for a crime boss or something, but he gets fed up with it and kills him. And then in the third film he goes freelance.

One good thing by setting up the Joker already they don't have to waste a whole lot of time retreading his origin for 30 minutes like the first Batman did.
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post #25 of 110
6/16/05 at 3:58pm
speaking of the Joker, god did I love that ending!
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post #26 of 110
6/16/05 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by Werbal_Kint
I think that the Joker is likely set for MULTIPLE films, should more than one be made. Bale and others close to project have said repeatedly the biggest mistake the first film made was killing the Joker, so I doubt they would make the same choice of doing so.

I'm thinking he very well could be a secondary in the next film - like have him working as a hood for a crime boss or something, but he gets fed up with it and kills him. And then in the third film he goes freelance.

One good thing by setting up the Joker already they don't have to waste a whole lot of time retreading his origin for 30 minutes like the first Batman did.
That seems plausible, since I'm pretty sure the Joker was originally just some bizarre hitman/robber. I'd really like for them to go into his origin as seen in The Killing Joke, especially since he'll probably be in both sequels.
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post #27 of 110
6/16/05 at 5:07pm
I'd really like the Penguin to be involved. The classic "refined thug with a bird-fetish" Penguin, that is. Not so much as a looney toon, but in the capacity of a crime boss muscling for territory in Gotham.
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post #28 of 110
6/16/05 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by Agent Helix
I'd really like the Penguin to be involved. The classic "refined thug with a bird-fetish" Penguin, that is. Not so much as a looney toon, but in the capacity of a crime boss muscling for territory in Gotham.
Yeah, we definately don't need a retread of the DeVito Penguin.
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post #29 of 110
6/16/05 at 5:25pm
I thought the DeVito Penguin was great in its own way, it's just not how I envision the character. I envision him more as he's become in the comics in the past ten years, which is ditching the trick umbrellas and bird-related crimes and becoming an underboss. He keeps his nose clean with GCPD, even though they all know he's a crook, and acts as both a nemesis and occasional (though grudging) source of information for Batman. Now who would work well with that, since you'd still want the character to be a squat, rotund fellow. I mean, he wouldn't quite be the Penguin if he didn't look the part.
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post #30 of 110
6/16/05 at 5:46pm
Bob Hoskins, bitch!
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post #31 of 110
6/16/05 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by Crow
Didn't I hear somewhere that Mark Hamill is actually a contender for the Joker role? If so, sorry Lachy (and believe me, he WOULD be a great Joker), he takes priority.
Hamill can do the voice, and maybe even the physicality, but what about his physique and appearance (which is a central aspect to the fucking character) say the Joker? At all? On any level?

I don't care how much make-up and/or CG they use, they can't turn Mark Hamill's round head into the Joker's.

Let's not even touch how old he looks.

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Originally Posted by fabfunk
And please... we need a bigger role for Mr. Zsasz. It's soooo coool that he showed up in the film.
'Cause the way they turned him into a mafia thug was so awesome and suited the character so well!

This was a complaint I had about the movie. A lot of the familiar characters they used were the character in name only.

Zsasz was a rich kid who had it all, and eventually just realized how hollow it all was, and how hollow all life was. So he went around killing people and tallying his kills on his body with a knife. They made him a mafia thug in the movie? Fuck. Do they not realize he doesn't care about money? If anything, money is an enemy. And don't give me that the mafia may have just used him as a tool to say "Hey you kill people? Wanna kill some people FOR US?" 'cause he'd probably want to kill decadent rich people, if anything (like, say, a mafioso?).

They didn't even really show his tally marks. They were only visible in one scene that I noticed, and in his third appearance they had disappeared!
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post #32 of 110
6/16/05 at 7:40pm
Yes, they changed him, but there are maybe five people in all the world who actually even care. Zsasz's origin is not special, nor is he a particulary interesting character. Yes, you could do more with him, but as he stands, he's a disposable character.

Besides, in Batman Begins brief introduction to the character, they kindofsorta leaned towards giving him that Richard Kuklinski a.k.a. Ice Man quality, which is fine by me.
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post #33 of 110
6/16/05 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Yes, they changed him, but there are maybe five people in all the world who actually even care. Zsasz's origin is not special, nor is he a particulary interesting character. Yes, you could do more with him, but as he stands, he's a disposable character.

Besides, in Batman Begins brief introduction to the character, they kindofsorta leaned towards giving him that Richard Kuklinski a.k.a. Ice Man quality, which is fine by me.

My point is, why even use him if they change him? What's the point at using the character? It could have just been any thug. There was absolutely NO point in it being Zsasz, especially since they didn't even go for a shot of him with his tally marks all over during the riot or some damn thing.

Most of the incindental 'familiar' characters had little or no point, and were changed for no reason.

I don't care about faithfulness to the characters' origins or whatever. I care if they change it well, or for a good reason. This it was just a bunch of lip-service to make fans happy, but I wasn't happy just hearing Zsasz's name and just seeing some dork sitting in a court room. It added nothing to the film, and only verged on taking away from it.
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post #34 of 110
6/16/05 at 7:55pm
SPOILERS



Apparently Goyer has said that at the end of the second movie Joker would be captured, then the third film opens on his trial, during which he ravages Dent's face with acid, thus introducing Two-Face as the main villain.
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post #35 of 110
6/16/05 at 8:11pm
I mentioned it in a thread a long time ago, but they ought to bring Robin into the series in some capacity. Not as ROBIN per se, but to have a character arc with Bruce adopting a young Dick Grayson would be aces.

I always thought the father /son relationship Batman had with Robin was one of the most compelling concepts related to the Batman character. He's traumatized and alone. He sees his young self reflected in a victim of the same kind of crime that took his family and he sympathises.

In other incarnations, Batman believes he has lost his family but he creates in Alfred and Robin (and to a lesser extent Gordon and Batgirl) a surrogate family and never seems to realize it. Considering Goyer and Nolan have apparently planned this as a trilogy it would be nice to have some character arcs and a relatively happy ending to the series. Since such an ending is not likely to be romantic in nature it would be enough for Batman to realize he's not as solitary as he thinks.

Overall I think that's the jist of the Robin character and it's not hard to get right. Just watch the flashback scenes of the Animated series' "Robin's Reckoning" and copy that. The character has been a joke for a long time, especially with the horrible Chris O'Donnell incarnation and the expendable versions starting with Jason Todd. Still, It's been a part of the Batman Mythos almost since the beginning and I think it would be a shame to not address it in some way.
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post #36 of 110
6/16/05 at 8:29pm

Scarecrow Opener

Given David Goyer's comments about the remaining two films in the planned trilogy, it's unlikely other villains beyond the Joker and Two-Face will play prominent roles. My suspicion is that the next film will open with the Batman taking down the Scarecrow as a way to close that chapter before introducing the Clown Prince of Crime. IMHO, it's too bad we're unlikely to see Batman square off against Clayface or Killer Croc for fear those villains will be perceived as derivative of Spidey villains Sandman and the Lizard, respectively. Killer Croc seems especially well-suited for the gritty neo-noir direction Nolan apparently plans to take the franchise.
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post #37 of 110
6/16/05 at 9:04pm
Joker is a must. No bones about it, there is no better recognized villain in the entire Batman universe. Hell, maybe in all of comics.

I'd support Clayface, but only if he was played by Ron Perlman.
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post #38 of 110
6/16/05 at 9:34pm
Spoiler in case you haven't seen Batman Begins yet


The thing about the ending is that, well it could be Joker pre-chemicals just dressing/painting himself and going out as the Joker, they can end the Scarecrow plot ina chemical factory and have The Joker be there as [and I hate to say it cause he's the Joker] Henchman...or he could be there on his own caper, the resulting fight between Batman and Scarcrow results in the Joker falling in the vat o' acid and when he arises from the filth and looks into a reflection in the puddle of rain he sees his visage is permanant and he henceforth is THE Joker. This way you can have Joker before his acidbath resulting in a origin yet have him be the Joker before it.
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post #39 of 110
6/16/05 at 11:39pm
Hugo Weaving as Joker and provided they do it following elements of the Klling Joke origin because that would be more in line with the tone of the current film - failed comedian driven mad by circumstances...etc...
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post #40 of 110
6/16/05 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by Godzilla2000
IMHO, it's too bad we're unlikely to see Batman square off against Clayface or Killer Croc for fear those villains will be perceived as derivative of Spidey villains Sandman and the Lizard, respectively. Killer Croc seems especially well-suited for the gritty neo-noir direction Nolan apparently plans to take the franchise.
Clayface appeared close to two decades before Amazing Fantasy #15 even hit stands. The Brian Azzarello / Eduardo Risso version of Killer Croc, basically a Dolemite looking thug with a horrendous skin condition, could work in Batman's newly toned down filmic universe.
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post #41 of 110
6/17/05 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by Darth_Chocula
Spoiler in case you haven't seen Batman Begins yet


The thing about the ending is that, well it could be Joker pre-chemicals just dressing/painting himself and going out as the Joker, they can end the Scarecrow plot ina chemical factory and have The Joker be there as [and I hate to say it cause he's the Joker] Henchman...or he could be there on his own caper, the resulting fight between Batman and Scarcrow results in the Joker falling in the vat o' acid and when he arises from the filth and looks into a reflection in the puddle of rain he sees his visage is permanant and he henceforth is THE Joker. This way you can have Joker before his acidbath resulting in a origin yet have him be the Joker before it.
You don't think that that's a little overly complicated?

Just re-introduce the character Killing Joke style, and don't worry about tying it so closely to the events in the current film. The Joker needs to stand on his own and not be whittled down a lowly part of some perceived domino effect.

One thing I'd like to see in reference to the Joker, and it's small thing, but it's something that Frank Miller did that I took notice of. I've always liked how in DKR the Joker looks like the Joker, but his lips aren't red, meaning to say that they were not bleached red by his acid bath. It doesn't seem to be a big deal at first glance, but it works perfectly with what Nolan did (bringing the franchise down to earth); the Joker came out with white skin and green hair, but he didn't come out with the "perfect" evil clown look.

The poison/mind control lipstick he employed in DKR completed his look, helped create a wonderful air of flamboyance and provided a cool little weapon to boot, perfect.

P.S., You could even take a page from Howard Chaykin's unexpectedly strong Elseworlds tale Batman/Houdini (I suggest you pick it if you can find it), and make the Joker (referred to as Mad Jack Schadenfreude in the story) more of an albino, rather than giving him a straight chalkfaced hue.
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post #42 of 110
6/17/05 at 4:26am
I'd just like to point out that the people here are acually smart about Batman and movies in general. I've read dozens of casting threads over at IMDB and the only thing those bunch of 12 years can say is Johnny Depp. I think he's a awesome actor, but they think he's right for every role over there. Gambit, Joker, Angel, Riddler, Batman. I mentioned Hugo Weaving over there and everbody was like ,meh... JOHNNY DEPP!

Personally I would like to see Hugo Weaving, but i'm also intested in seeing Mark Hamill. I'm not sure how he'd look in the face paint though. I don't think He has the face for Joker only the voice. I could be wrong.

Crispen Glover could work, expect for the fact He's Crispen Glover and already bat-shit crazy (pun intended) and could very easily screw up his chances at coming back in part 3 on because He's apparently difficult to work with and a nut-job.

Tim Curry would work but I haven't seen him in anything recently. I heard he's gotten a bit chubby, at least for the role of Joker. If he could slim down to a lanky looking Joker he would knock the role outta the park.

What's with the Lachy Hulme talk? This guy came out of no where, and the only movie i've seen him in apparently is the Matrix 3 although I can't remember him . What's so great about this Guy that everyone is talking about giving the role?
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post #43 of 110
6/17/05 at 6:48am
I don't know where he got all this hype either, all I remember him from is as the operator for Ghost/Niobe in Enter the Matrix.

From Batman-on-film.com....

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"Australian radio presenter Chris Murray (MMM) is reporting that Lachy Hulme 'is now a 98% certainty to play The Joker' following reports back from the US that Hulme had to decline his invitation to the US premiere of BATMAN BEGINS because of his shooting schedule in the upcoming M for director Geoffrey Wright. Murray commented: 'They wouldn't be inviting him to the opening unless they wanted him for the part.'" Interesting stuff. Reps for Hulme responded with a very firm: "No comment."

BOF has also been told that WB has gone as far as to do some serious mock-ups of the actor as The Clown Prince of Crime
Neat......
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post #44 of 110
6/17/05 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Daryl Zero
I mentioned it in a thread a long time ago, but they ought to bring Robin into the series in some capacity. Not as ROBIN per se, but to have a character arc with Bruce adopting a young Dick Grayson would be aces.

I always thought the father /son relationship Batman had with Robin was one of the most compelling concepts related to the Batman character. He's traumatized and alone. He sees his young self reflected in a victim of the same kind of crime that took his family and he sympathises.

In other incarnations, Batman believes he has lost his family but he creates in Alfred and Robin (and to a lesser extent Gordon and Batgirl) a surrogate family and never seems to realize it. Considering Goyer and Nolan have apparently planned this as a trilogy it would be nice to have some character arcs and a relatively happy ending to the series. Since such an ending is not likely to be romantic in nature it would be enough for Batman to realize he's not as solitary as he thinks.

Overall I think that's the jist of the Robin character and it's not hard to get right. Just watch the flashback scenes of the Animated series' "Robin's Reckoning" and copy that. The character has been a joke for a long time, especially with the horrible Chris O'Donnell incarnation and the expendable versions starting with Jason Todd. Still, It's been a part of the Batman Mythos almost since the beginning and I think it would be a shame to not address it in some way.

Good call.

I would be in favor with ending the series with the introduction of Robin, to assuage the average moviegoers, but have him named Jason Todd, to give the fans something to chew on.

I dunno, would that be esoterically obnoxious? Or simply too downbeat?
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post #45 of 110
6/19/05 at 3:09am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Bob Hoskins, bitch!
After seeing UNLEASHED, should they go with the Penguin down the line that is such a perfect call.

SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!

Is there any word as to whether Falcone will be back if a sequel is made? I didn't get a sense that he was out of the picture and it would be cool if he stuck around as a background figure in these films.

As for the Joker, this may seem like a real off the wall choice but for some reason I could see Denis Leary in this role. He has a real humerous rage and anger that works perfectly on "Rescue Me" and I think could also translate to the Joker.
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post #46 of 110
6/19/05 at 7:40am
When Ras' men broke open Arkham, my first thought was, "Great, there goes any chance of seeing Knightfall on film." And I'm not talking about the whole Bane/back-breaking thing, just the part where Batman has to keep going and hunt down his entire rogue's gallery (although the training scenes early in the film reminded me a lot of the training Bruce went through after he had the surgery to repair his broken back, even up to the part where he had to kill to complete his training and refuses to do so).

And I think you save the Joker for the THIRD film. He's got more menace than Two-Face. Start off the second film with Batman taking down the Scarecrow as the Penguin or some other villain begins to take over the void left by Falcone (who I think is too mentally cracked to make a comeback), so he's your main threat for the film. But you can keep having references to the Joker peppered throughout the film, and maybe even have a brief encounter to tease the third film, which should be the ultimate Bats/Joker showdown, delving into all the psychological issues and parallels between the two characters that Burton's film completely ignored (the main one being that both of them are equally psychotic, just Batman happens to be doing it for the good guys).

As for who should play the Joker, I found a pic of Lachy Hulme here and he seems a little ... bulky for how I envision the Joker. My choice would be Paul Bettany.
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post #47 of 110
6/19/05 at 10:49am
Based on what was introduced in the film, the Joker will definitely be a villain in the sequel. And since they dispatched the DA, one can only assume they will introduce Harvey Dent in the next film. That film could end with a Joker trial and Harvey getting scarred and becoming Two-Face or that could be the beginning of the third film. But, this is merely conjecture until something more definitive is announced.
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post #48 of 110
6/19/05 at 3:56pm
I'm really suprised Talia hasn't been mentioned. After setting up her dad so well, there's all kinds of directions you could go with her. I could see her being the main baddie in the second movie with the joker being built up for the thrid film.
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post #49 of 110
6/19/05 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Is there any word as to whether Falcone will be back if a sequel is made? I didn't get a sense that he was out of the picture and it would be cool if he stuck around as a background figure in these films.
Wasn't he incurably insane by the end of the film, and what would be the point anyway?

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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
As for the Joker, this may seem like a real off the wall choice but for some reason I could see Denis Leary in this role. He has a real humerous rage and anger that works perfectly on "Rescue Me" and I think could also translate to the Joker.
"No Cure For Cancer" is one of my favorite stand-up specials ever, but no way...no way in Hell.
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post #50 of 110
6/19/05 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Sumeragi
I'm really suprised Talia hasn't been mentioned. After setting up her dad so well, there's all kinds of directions you could go with her. I could see her being the main baddie in the second movie with the joker being built up for the thrid film.
I kind of missed Talia as well, but she's more suited for a third film, placing her in the second film to address/resolve issues in the first would be little more than retreading.

In our land of fantasy casting and plotting, The Joker being saved for a third film is ideal, but not to the WB, and I don't blame them.
You can't not use the Joker, Batman Begins is already a relatively somber affair in comparison to the original franchise (and most other superhero films in general), the sequel really, really needs the Joker.
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