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All I want is a good Werewolf movie!

post #1 of 27
8/3/05 at 12:07am
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Why? Why can we have a never ending supply of Zombie movies, some good, some not so good, but we cannnot get ONE decent Werewolf movie?

I waited with baited breath for Curse. I ignored all of the negative discussion before it opened. I went on opening day. And I was absolutely pissed off at how fucking bad it was. It is like they went out of their way to be bad! Van Helsing.... crap! Underworld......a fucking shootout! How can it be this difficult to make at least one good movie?

Here is what it needs to have, a credible story, gruesome attacks, an amazing transformation, and victims that we can care about. Throw in some Werewolf mythology for the purists and Bingo! Now is that really so hard?

Look I promise to see it the first day. I promise to bring both friends and family. I promise to buy it when it comes out in DVD. Now will somebody please make it? I am tired of rewatching "American Werewolf in London" and "The Howling". (These are really the only two great Werewolf movies!)

If any studio executives visit these message boards then I challenge you to revive this genre just like the damn Zombies were revived. I am sooo tired of Zombies! Bring on the Wolfman!
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post #2 of 27
8/3/05 at 12:34am
I'd love to see the Werewolf get some attention. The odds of it happening, not good. Still, I'd happily fork over my money to watch a guy go shaggy when the sun goes down. Something with some action, psychology, and werewolf mythology.

I'm just not holding my breath.
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post #3 of 27
8/3/05 at 12:53am
Ginger Snaps
Ginger Snaps: Unleashed
Ginger Snaps Back

I'd also suggest checking out Neil Jordan's The Company of Wolves.

Beyond that, I totally agree with you.

Well, I have a soft spot for Silver Bullet, but it isn't like I think it's good...
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post #4 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:31am
I think a movie version of Werewolf By Night has a lot of potential, and with Marvel turning so
many of their properties into films, it has a good chance of happening.
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post #5 of 27
8/3/05 at 2:18am
I'm trying as hard as I can. It's not easy to find funding, ya know?
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post #6 of 27
8/3/05 at 5:32am
I'm with you Caineabel. I'm a huge werewolf fan and I would love to see a great film come out on the subject. You'd think with todays effects they could do something great but all the recent films with werewolves look like shit. I think I read in Fangoria a while back that when Harvey Wienstien approached Kevin Williamson to write Cursed he said that werewolf movies were going to be the next big thing. Looks like it 's not going to happen unless something breaks through (which of course means that Hollywood will beat it to death like they're doing with zombies). I'd personally like to see Sam Raimi or David Finchers take on the subject matter.

P.S. I still love Rob Bottin's Howling werewolves the best.
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post #7 of 27
8/3/05 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Annika
I'd also suggest checking out Neil Jordan's The Company of Wolves.
Or Bad Moon.
Good, but not great little werewolf film.Written by Eric Red, who was also responsible for The Hitcher and Near Dark!
The Werewolf costume looks really great, but the transformation scenes are done with crappy cgi
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post #8 of 27
8/3/05 at 11:24am
Nothing much wrong with Dog Soldiers in my book.
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post #9 of 27
8/3/05 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Volta
Nothing much wrong with Dog Soldiers in my book.
I enjoyed Dog Soldiers and The Howling also one of my favorite Howling movies was i think 5 where they were in the castle (was a spin off of, And Then There Were None).

Another movie was good was Project Metalbeast. Took a werewolf and encoted him in metalic skin, that was new and it was pretty good.
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post #10 of 27
8/3/05 at 12:17pm
I think the main problem with werewolves in general is that its far too easy to fall back on the old "Werewolf as tragic romantic figure" schpiel. which is annoying as far as I am concerned.

There's Silver Bullet, which I seem to remember is a good movie.

but I think the best werewolf treatment was Oz on Buffy.


Still, I think the werewolf character pretty much ruined the Anita Blake series, its just such an inherently whiney genre for some reason, and it doesn't need to be.

eta: I slept through the howling, couldn't get into it.
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post #11 of 27
8/3/05 at 12:45pm
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I have seen most of them....color me unimpressed.

I have done the Snaps. The Snaps weren't bad but the actual creatures left much to be desired.

Only the original Howling is worth any of my popcorn movie and I believe I saw at least three of them.

I saw Dog Soldiers" on FX. There was not enough full on shots of the monsters. Low budget was obvious there.

I looooved "Werewolf by night" when I was a geeky comic book reader! If that were adapted properly to film it would kick some serious ASS!

My criteria is that the monster must look powerful and sufficiently wolflike, (but not on all fours), the acting should be believable, and it should follow the well known Werewolf mythology. But the most important part, the key, is it must have at least one KICK-ASS transformation scene! That is the ticket seller! If word gets around about some amazing human to wolf metamorhosis then I guarantee asses in seats!

As Larry the Cable Guy says "Getter done!"
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post #12 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by caineabel2

My criteria is that the monster must look powerful and sufficiently wolflike, (but not on all fours), the acting should be believable, and it should follow the well known Werewolf mythology. But the most important part, the key, is it must have at least one KICK-ASS transformation scene! That is the ticket seller! If word gets around about some amazing human to wolf metamorhosis then I guarantee asses in seats!

As Larry the Cable Guy says "Getter done!"

I just remember falling asleep during the transformation scene in the Howling, waking up later to see it was STILL GOING ON! If it took so freaken long, the girl could've gotten away really.

The one in American Werewolf is good, and I liked the one in (I am such a fangirl on some level) Prisoner of Azkaban.
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post #13 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:24pm
If there ARE any Studio Execs on these boards...Have I got a script for you...
All criteria above met.
erik@inthemind.com
/end shilling.

Ginger snaps, and Dog Soldiers were probably some of the best Wolf movies
released in the past few years. And, I'm Still morbidly curious about Cursed.

The werewolves in Dog soldiers were a bit too cute, like my dog cute
and the Snaps Wolf was a bit too .....pink.
The howling's wolves were the best...with the exception
of the animated ones by the fire, getting it on.

Azkaban's wolf too Gollum for me. Less CG and more Practical, kinda like
Underworld wolves.
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post #14 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by caineabel2
I saw Dog Soldiers" on FX. There was not enough full on shots of the monsters. Low budget was obvious there.
Do you mean Sci-Fi? Either way, the TV edit is awful. All the good stuff was cut! While it is far from a perfect movie, I urge you to give it another shot.

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Originally Posted by caineabel2
But the most important part, the key, is it must have at least one KICK-ASS transformation scene!
Surely you can't really be saying that the transformations in The Howling hold up! I saw it for the first time about a year ago and was SHOCKED at how bad it looked. The effects were fine (even fairly impressive for the time) but shot terribly... and the editing was even worse - nonexistant, really.
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post #15 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Vaya the Necromancer
I think the main problem with werewolves in general is that its far too easy to fall back on the old "Werewolf as tragic romantic figure" schpiel.
Really? I would say the same about vampires. I haven't noticed much of it with werewolves.
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post #16 of 27
8/3/05 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Annika
Really? I would say the same about vampires. I haven't noticed much of it with werewolves.
Absolutely, but I think Vampires come off as more complicated, after all in many cases they choose to be that way, and they have more powers, and are just cooler (imho)

Werewolves, for whatever reason, don't get this kind of treatment it seems, they're forever stuck in the hapless victem genre...

Either they bemoan their fate, or they embrace it and become all evil.

Like I said, Oz I think is the best Werewolf portrayal, he just accepts it as the way things have turned out for a long time.

Its not the werewolf itself mind you, its the way its been portrayed.

Suddenly I want to play Werewolves of London, I love that song.
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post #17 of 27
8/3/05 at 2:36pm
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Heresy!

Never, and I mean never say anything negative about the transformatin in the Howling again! That, and the one in AWIL, are the two best on film. My love for them knows no bounds. Only negative about the Howling that I can cop to is the cartoonlike transformation of the two werewolf lover sand the pekinese werewolf that Dee Wallace Stone turned into. Now that was annoying.

But give me air bladders over CGI any day of the week.
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post #18 of 27
8/3/05 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by caineabel2
Never, and I mean never say anything negative about the transformatin in the Howling again! That, and the one in AWIL, are the two best on film. My love for them knows no bounds. Only negative about the Howling that I can cop to is the cartoonlike transformation of the two werewolf lover sand the pekinese werewolf that Dee Wallace Stone turned into. Now that was annoying.

But give me air bladders over CGI any day of the week.


That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it...
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post #19 of 27
8/3/05 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by Grofield
Randolph:

So I take it you're not a fan of the Lon Chaney Wolf Man flicks? I've never cared for the original, but I do love FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN. Universal put out a box set around the time of VAN HELSING's release that collects those two films, as well as one of the monster team-ups (can't remember if it's HOUSE OF FRANKESTEIN or HOUSE OF DRACULA) and THE WEREWOLF OF LONDON. The box set can be found at a decent price and is worth every penny.

If you haven't caught them already, I recommend Terence Fisher's CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF (1961) with Oliver Reed, Michael Wadleigh's WOLFEN (1981) with Albert Finney, and Milton Moses Ginsberg's spoof THE WEREWOLF OF WASHINGTON (1972) with Dean Stockwell.
Thanks for the suggestions, i´ll keep my eyes on those titles.

Anyone familar with Paul Naschy´s El Hombre Lobo films?
I have heard good thing about them.
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post #20 of 27
8/8/05 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by caineabel2
Never, and I mean never say anything negative about the transformatin in the Howling again!
Bottin was brilliant with The Thing, but Eddie's transformation in The Howling suffers in one major aspect. It just goes on and on and on. As someone posted above, the girl could have gotten out of the doctor's office and been halfway back to L.A. before Eddie had wolfed out. Make mine American Werewolf in London. That looked friggin' agonizing... plus the brilliant soundtrack. Gotta agree, however, that practical effects rule over CGI when it comes to Werewolf flicks (although I have to admit that, while shoddily executed, the idea of a werewolf bursting out of the flesh of its human form-- ala Van Helsing was pretty excellent).
Also, best werewolf film ever? Teen Wolf. Michael J. Fox acted the shit out of that movie... especially the part where he has to escort his mom to the Enchantment Under the Sea dance.
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post #21 of 27
8/8/05 at 4:29pm
The best most resent Werewolf movie is Dog Soldiers. Next to that is American Werewolf In London.
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post #22 of 27
8/9/05 at 9:57pm
A friend of mine and I actually have an entire epic Werewolf trilogy mapped out. But like Fett, no moola. And well, no script either. But an outline of the plot is there. If only... if only...
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post #23 of 27
8/10/05 at 1:40am
Good luck. To the good werewolf movie. Somebody would really have to reinvent it without all the stupid pentagrams and silver bullet nonsense.

Styles was right, come sniff out my stash.
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post #24 of 27
8/10/05 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by billylove
The best most resent Werewolf movie is Dog Soldiers.
What happened to the Dog Soldiers sequel, is it still on?
I remember hearing that it was supposed to be about a team of American soldiers who go to England to try and find out what happened to the soldiers in the first film, only to wind being attacked by werewolves.

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Naschy (real name: Jacinto Molina) has a huge cult following all over the world. I've seen two of his Lobo efforts -- WEREWOLF SHADOW (a.k.a. WEREWOLF VS. VAMPIRE WOMAN) and CURSE OF THE DEVIL and was bored to tears. They're certainly atmospheric, and have mucho gratuitous nudity (Naschy, not a very good-looking man, beds at least 2 beautiful women in every movie). But I was turned-off by the abuse of slow-motion, piss-poor werewolf make-up and a 'tragic' hero who failed to gain my sympathy. And the fans consider these two to be among the best of the series.

Naschy wrote all of the Waldemar Daninsky/El Hombre Lobo films himself, and directed the most recent. Some other titles in the series: FRANKENSTEIN'S BLOODY TERROR (upcoming DVD release), FURY OF THE WOLFMAN, ASSIGNMENT TERROR, DR. JEKYLL VS. THE WOLFMAN, THE CRAVING, WEREWOLF VS. THE YETI, and THE BEAST WITH THE MAGIC SWORD.
I have one of Paul Naschy´s films, Horror Rises from the Tomb.Although it has a lot of gore of nudity, it´s really dull and boring.Yet despite that, i cant stop watching it, so i would probably enjoy the Hombre Lobo films.

The latest issue of Rue Morgue Magazine has a special feature on spanish horror films, check it out!
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post #25 of 27
8/11/05 at 2:32am
I haven't seen Ginger Snaps but it seem every Werewolf movie they take the rules laid down by history and divert from them, if they get past that they make the Werewolf a CG creature or they won't have fur, or a mix of the two because CG can't do fur or something silly, if they suceed beyond that point [and I don't recall any film i've seen that has] the story/cast sucks.

I agree with teh starter of this thread I want a film that raises the bar werewolf-wise.
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post #26 of 27
8/11/05 at 3:10pm
You know what they need to do? Forget this "tragic figure" crap they're trying to shoehorn onto werewolves (a la vampires). Forget about drawing parallels between puberty or mid-life crises or what have you. Forget about all that stuff.

They need to make a werewolf film that's violent and terrifying. I'm talking about something that taps into that savage, barbaric side human beings have. That side of a man when he grunts and exclaims how he's raped your mother when he beats you in some stupid video game. Does it have to be deep? Not really. But it has to be violent, with a monster that doesn't look bad (unfortunately, Ginger Snaps' one flaw, IMO). Something memorable, with characters we give a damn about and feel for when they get torn apart. Something that doesn't try to hard to be funny.

I can count on two hands the werewolf films worth watching. And I know that's stretching the "worth watching" part...

/ramble

-DD
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post #27 of 27
8/21/05 at 8:59pm
I generally agree with the opinion that the majority of werewolf films suck. I was pretty excited about Cursed until I learned that the plot added nothing to the wolf genre. (if it is a genre) It was waaaay over CGI-ed out, the humor felt canned and wildly inappropriate and that guy from Dawson's Creek just pissed me off. I was into the classic palm-Pentagram angle though. Of all the suggested ways to make a great werewolf movie posted here, it needs to have all of the above. Old-school lore, a departure from werewolf convention, animalistic sex and violence and a definate tie to unholy magical forces like Satan.
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