Major X3 Spoiler!!!!

Edited to hide the spoiler text.

At first I thought, "Bull*%&#!" But then I looked out the window and saw a man taking a piss outside the parking garage. I realized that this man's action is an analogy to Brett Ratner taking a piss on the franchise. The sad thing is that I COULD very well see this happening.

Yeah, I saw this too, but is this really news? I mean, wasn't most of this already revealed in that infamous script review AICN ran a while back? So either this scooper is a fraud just repeating their story, or they're really shooting with that script. Whichever it is, at this point I don't really care anymore; I gave up hope on X3 a long time ago.

I was going to say...

So I guess this is just another X3 hate thread.


I don't hate the film (how can I, it's not even out yet), but the other ones were kind of "meh" to me. Some good scenes, some good dialogue, but overall not as good as they could (or should have been). And some of the reinterpretations of the characters were underwhelming to me. So it couldn't possibly be a franchise-killer in my mind.

I think X3 will just be a competently-made sequel that favors action over subtext. Not as bad as people make it out to be, but certainly not as good as they would prefer it to be.

-DD

Pfft...... it's based on a comic book. Even if anybody dies, will they stay dead? I doubt it. Also Prof-X dying via a disease?! Come on. It's part 3, He needs to confront Magneto at the end (I think the end of the first Ultimate X-men story would be good ).

I'd like some proof, because that was a rumor from back when Vaughn was doing X3.

Patrick Stewart loves playing this character, there's no way in hell he'll stay dead. X4 will be the triumphant return of these characters if thats the case.

You want spoilers eh?

I read something else.

You want detailed spoilers? Read spider-man 2's posts in the spoiler section of xmen on superherohype boards - very detailed, very interesting, very very SPOILERY.

Ratner is taking it to a more action based film. It'll be low on characterisation, although in his defence (what am i DOING!!!!) he has been given the reigns to do that with Singers rich filling in of the world with X1 and X2.

I dont think itll be the same as those, but the battles that are lined up will make it enjoyable, hopefully.

I just dont see how hes going to fit the story in, or get the budget required to film what he has planned.

With all the crazy casting and story rumors circulating, I've just given up and decided I'm not believing a word of it until Ratner, Fox, or Avi Arad makes a statement about the actual plot.

Fox is taking the preverbial dump on this franchise. The first one was promising but on several viewings, showed its weaknesses. The second one improved greatly on the forumula explored by the first one and actually made for a compelling "stand-alone" film. I figured that the third movie would have been amazing considering the momentum of the series so far. But since they gave the movie over to a director with a "passable" film resume so far, I don't know what to think. It would have been sweet if this was not only a trilogy of Xmen films but a Singer Xmen Trilogy of films. I think based on what he already knew of the characters and how to play around with them, the third movie would have rocked. I don't like Ratner and the fact that hes making this more action oriented reminds me of what Shumacher did to the Batman franchise after Burton's excellent introductions. Just think of all the possibilities lost here. But then again, I haven't seen the film yet so I suppose I'll make my judgements once I see it. But needless to say, I've got little to any high hopes of it really succedding beyond X2................

Fox may be running it into the ground more and more as the days go on, but it is BRYAN SINGER who took the dump on this franchise. He fired the killing shot, Fox is just dragging the death scene out longer. If Singer hadn't jumped ship to go do a Superman trilogy for Warner Brothers, we wouldn't be having any of this discussion. Anyway, I will repeat my stand that I refuse to judge this movie until we are finally given the true synopsis and we start seeing footage. I'm not expecting it to be as good as the last one, but I still not expecting it to be horrible. I will give it the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to believe otherwise.

Yeah, so it was Bryan Singer's fault they hired a shite director, right?

I also thought that Singer had declared that he was ready to sign for the third, but Fox were still dragging their feet when the Superman thing came along. My impression was that they were trying to play it cool, perhaps so that he wouldn't ask for as much money or something, and lost him.

I don't think there would be a franchise without Singer, the story is always that he made X-men despite the studio, not thanks to it.

No, that's on Fox. But he shouldn't have abandoned his trilogy in the first place. As far as I know, he has never given any clear reasons as to why he did it. Besides, if he was really that interested in doing the third one he would have stuck to it. As for what Fox is doing right now, it stinks of the old Alien 3 situation. They've hired a director that they know they can push around and they had a release date set before having a script. It's the exact same situation that spawned Alien 3.

From what I can gather, Singer was ready to sign, but with the stipulation that they give him the time and budget he needed. His reasoning was he'd delivered two successful films, both financially and critically, and he'd done it on a budget smaller than what he needed and on time (despite having his schedule slashed in half on the first X-Men). Fox dragged their feet on giving him an answer, so he finally said "screw it" and left. I remember he said at Comic Con that it wasn't an easy decision, because he did care about the franchise, but it seems that Warner gave him an offer that was much more enticing.

I still remember the stories about how Fox kept cutting the budget because they had no faith in the project, full credit to Singer for delivering a good movie, not great but still good even though Fox kept screwing him. He delivered an even better sequel, you'd think Fox wouldn't have any hesitation in signing Singer for a third but I guess I was wrong.

My favorite moment in the X-Men 1.5 documentary is when one of the producers comes in to tell Singer that they have the fourth of July weekend. Singer thinks he means "Summer of 2001", and is excited, then the producer says "No, 2000." Singer asks if Fox is going to give him more money to make up for the time loss, and the producer just shakes his head. The "those goddammed motherfuckers" look on Singer's face is, I think, a perfect read into why he severed ties with them.

Yeah, also add the fact that he made a sequel hoping the situation would improve (or maybe he was contracted I don't know) and he finds out nothing's changed, I don't blame Singer at all for bailing, why stick around just to get screwed again. I'm looking forward to Superman.

While I'm interested in Superman, I am a bit wary about the cast. Still, I'm looking forward to it, but not as much as X-Men 3.

This doesn't even make sense.

Look, Singer had every right to walk, Fox hesitated in signing him for a third because he wasn't prepared to go through the experiences he had with the first 2 films and he, rightly, demanded the budget and timeframe he originally wanted. Fox held back, it's their loss.

Hmmmmm

Havent seen the DC, but dont mind the original. (Best bit-watching Matt pull out a tooth and seeing his scarred back when he took off the suit-a factor i sorely missed form Batman Begins-real human weakness.)

X3 is being made for all the wrong reasons.....I mean SERIOUSLY, was there ever a law passed that said a director wasnt allowed to do another film before returning to a franchise...look at Nolan and The Prestige.
It seems that it started as a spiteful attack at Singer going to Warners for Superman. But listen to logic people....he's a comic fan-Supes, boring as the boy-scout is, he IS the definitive superhero. Warners are paying him more....fairly he chose to take it. An accountant/lawyer/writer/actor/doctor would do the same-its a JOB people!

X3 is an all out battle that (rumours suggest) incorporate: Whedons storyling, Phoenix, Sentinels, Legacy Virus, Collosus vs. Juggernaut, Iceman vs. Pyro, Wolvie vs. Omega Red, Phoenix vs. everyone.
This will satisfy some fans (the younger ones that got bored by the 'depth' of Singers films) and may alienate some others. Then again Ratner seems to be staying reasonably faithful to the world that Singer set up so why not take advantage of already having fleshed-out characters?

Ratner, I believe to be a dipshit of McG size (cmon referring to self in third person? Yas is gonna have to open up a can of whoopass, thats what Yas is gonna do!----excuse me while I slit my wrists...). However, although he lacks a strong directorial vision-(he MAY deliver as he is essentially riding on Singers')-he has shown that he can deliver multiplex friendly films.

However I must remind you that this is a director whose most frequent leading man is Chris Tucker......RIP Mutant Academy....

seconded

seconded if you are talking about, let´s said ¨the Logan´s truck conversation¨ but please don´t confusse depth with that shitty X2 plot .

Well, most of the X-Men have "died" at some point in the comics. Only to come back to life somehow.

Yeah... There was an article that ran on I believe AICN a few months back that detailed the Fox-Singer struggle dating back to before the first X-MEN was made. Check it out there, it's worth the read.

Long story short, Fox's head of production hated the idea of doing a big-budget comic book movie, hated the X-Men concept and didn't like Singer. The first movie made enough money that a second was garaunteed, but once X2 kicked ass at the box office, this production weasel (cant remember his name) could make Singer wait on the money, as it's a studio's thought that once the franchise hit's 200 million, the director doesn't matter.

So Singer waits it out for the money he deserves (okay, so I feel ridiculous saying that he deserves __million dollars, but if that's the price he goes for, so be it), Fox jerks him around until, thank God, WB drops McG for Superman and Singer stepped in.

I think X3 is going to blow hard ass, for which I blame a shit-script and mediocre director (is New Line retarded? Do you need to shell out $5mil for RATNER to direct a third Rush Hour?), but I'd much rather there be a lousy X-movie than a god-awful, McG (or Ratner) Superman movie.

read my mind

You guys know that Professor X, Cyclops, and Jean have all died in the comics before right? I'm willing to give Ratner a chance, the only problem I see is that he may try to squeeze too much into one movie. The Rush Hour movies were pretty good cop films, I don't know why some people are knocking them. We'll just have to wait and see.

I am with you there. I wont say anything about this till after I am out of the theater.