New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Dark Blue

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
It's been a couple years since DARK BLUE was released and since it came and went very quickly I'm hoping people have had a chance to check it out since then. Even though it's not my favorite Kurt Russell film I would say it's his best performance. A few people compared his role here to Washington in TRAINING DAY, I can see where some would do that but he's really making a totally opposite journey in relation to Washington's character. Russell's meltdown during the film's climax at his awards ceremony is a real nice piece of acting. Aside from Russell you have Brendan Gleeson playing a truly evil higher up in the LAPD. I enjoy villains that go over the top but it's also great when you get a guy like Gleeson who scares you with his realism.

It's not a perfect film by any means. It does stray into soap opera-like tendencies when it comes to the supporting characters played by Scott Speedman and Michael Michelle. I also would have liked to have seen more of the movie take place during the L.A. riots since that's an event in recent history that hasn't really been portrayed much on screen. The idea of trying to catch murder suspects in the middle of all that chaos is an interesting idea and should have been a larger part of the film.
post #2 of 24
The movie was a little too ambitious for it's budget, I think. If they had more money I think they could more effectively shown the riot on screen. Russell was good but Speedman stunk. Gleeson owned. He's a damn good character actor. Was it just me or did the film seem to stall out a bit at times? Good, but I like Training Day better.

F.T.W. Kid
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
I also prefer TRAINING DAY, and NARC for that matter, but I appreciated DARK BLUE basing the story around actual events even if they didn't cover that area as much as I would have liked. The one actor who I think got gyped in the movie was Ving Rhames. They just didn't give his character as much to do as Russell or Gleeson and they made the mistake of him getting sidetracked by his marital problems in the film. Still, I was glad to see Russell in a bit of a departure and he puled off the role nicely.
post #4 of 24
I'm a huge James Ellroy fan and I love hardboiled cop movies, but this film left me cold. I've never liked Kurt Russel and I was hoping this would be the film that would change my mind. He just didn't do it for me. I just didn't believe the was the badass cop in LA. The less said about Scott Speedman the better.

It seems thay just did not know what to do with the Ving Rhames character. That's too bad because it would have been much more interesting to have a style similar to Heat, with Russel and Rames getting equal time.

The main problem for me was the rythym. It felt like a three hour movie where not much happenned.

It's not bad. Just not interesting.

And NARC is just great. NARC deserves more love. I never really liked Jason Patrick and even Ray Liotta usually left me cold but NARC did what I hoped Dark Blue would do with Russel for me.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Liotta has always been a favorite of mine so I was hyped and happy to see his turn in NARC. Patric was the stunner for me in that film, he was always kind of hit and miss with me and to be honest I didn't much care for RUSH. But he came through in NARC.

While I disagree with your view of Russell in BLUE I see what you mean about the rhythm. The film should have started off as it did with the liquor store murders, then spent the first half developing the characters but dropping the romantic subplots. Finally make the entire 2nd half take place during the riots. Have Russell and Speedman looking for the 2 thugs during the riots, while Rhames tries to bring down Gleeson in the middle of the LAPD figuring out how to respond to the riots.
post #6 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
While I disagree with your view of Russell in BLUE I see what you mean about the rhythm. The film should have started off as it did with the liquor store murders, then spent the first half developing the characters but dropping the romantic subplots. Finally make the entire 2nd half take place during the riots. Have Russell and Speedman looking for the 2 thugs during the riots, while Rhames tries to bring down Gleeson in the middle of the LAPD figuring out how to respond to the riots.
What you described sounds exactly like James Ellroy. That was probably the story wich was butchered in the screenplay. Maybe.
post #7 of 24
The story was a little choppy, but my beef was with Gleeson's character. Corrupt deputy chiefs, you would think, should have more sense than to become personally involved with or recognized by the scum which do their dirty work. Really, they should have the good sense to be five times removed from the corruption they partake in. I found Gilroy's dealings in The Shield much more believable - using his influence to subtly influence crime rates in order to make a killing on real estate.

Shelton's work, post-Bull Durham, is pretty MOR. The final scene was pretty powerful, though.
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
That's a fair gripe regarding Gleeson's character. A guy like him would probably be far removed from common street thugs. The comparison to the Gilroy character on "The Shield" is a good one, but as a TV show it's a little easier to set up a scheme like that over the long haul which is not as easy over the course of a 2 hour film.
post #9 of 24
It was a decent film, but should not have been released so close to Training Day. They really should have shown more of the riots. That would have brought in the crowds for sure.

The biggest letdown is Rhames' half-assed character. I love the guy, but he just stunk here, and didn't have enough to do anyway.
post #10 of 24
This one left me cold too. Kurt, Ving, James Ellroy, should have been a winning combination.
post #11 of 24
I really dig this movie, it just so pleasantly surprised me when I saw it. It sat on the shelf for a while, a couple title changes, everything said "turd", and then I came out and was a lot better than I ever expected. The way the riot starts is so creepy and well done. Yeah, they didn't have the budget to go all out, but they used the atmosphere to say a lot. The scene of them driving through the dust with guys picking up bricks and bats, the way everything just descends quickly into lawlessness. And damn, Stidwell getting smashed with that brick.

I'm with Moltisanti on this one, Kurt Russell was fantastic here. He was great in "Tombstone", and "Little China" is fun, but throughout the 90s he's had a tendency to be very boring. I loved his character, and the way he played it so unapologetically. You can see a guy really just run down by his job, and I liked the little comments and insights in the LAPD and the tactics and events leading up to the riots. Final speech, great.

Rhames got shortchanged a bit, but I liked him. Gleason was awesome.

Not a great film, but a very good one. The ending is great too.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
Outside of the final speech by Russell I also really liked the sequence when he starts looking through the mug shot photos trying to find 2 guys to frame for the murders.

"You got a crime and you got criminals, and if you're meticulous enough maybe somehow you make a match."

Even though I do think there are clear differences between DARK BLUE and TRAINING DAY I will admit that Master P plays practically the same character in BLUE that Snoop Dogg played in TRAINING DAY.
post #13 of 24
The movie kind of shits the bed, but Kurt Russell is fucking DYNAMITE in it. I love, love the first scene with his wife, where she makes an offhand comment about his partner being "cute", and Kurt tears the guy down to her, but in such a bizarre, not-at-all-addressing-the-guy's-cuteness way, revealing Russell's character as an utterly corrupt sociopath. Russell's best work of the decade (faint praise, I know).
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
Glad you at least liked Russell, Phil.

Still say if you drop the soap opera bed-hopping subplots and gave the riots more focus you'd have a much better film.
post #15 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
Liotta has always been a favorite of mine so I was hyped and happy to see his turn in NARC. Patric was the stunner for me in that film, he was always kind of hit and miss with me and to be honest I didn't much care for RUSH. But he came through in NARC.
Have you ever seen After Dark, My Sweet. It's a neat little 90's noir adapted from a Jim Thomspon novel. He's real good in that.

Also, a performance I liked in this was Dash Mihok's (very similar to to his role in Kiss, Kiss Bang, Bang, in that he's a hired goon with a black partner). I wish that guy were in more movies, he's got a good tough/goofy presence. He's like the B-movie Michale Rapaport (though I don't their necessarily is an A-movie Michael Rapaport).
post #16 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z.Vasquez View Post
Have you ever seen After Dark, My Sweet. It's a neat little 90's noir adapted from a Jim Thomspon novel. He's real good in that.

Also, a performance I liked in this was Dash Mihok's (very similar to to his role in Kiss, Kiss Bang, Bang, in that he's a hired goon with a black partner). I wish that guy were in more movies, he's got a good tough/goofy presence. He's like the B-movie Michale Rapaport (though I don't their necessarily is an A-movie Michael Rapaport).
So is that the guy Devin was asking about on Twitter the other day? I thought that when I popped this movie in the other day, but was lazy.
post #17 of 24
Haven't read that, what'd was he asking?
post #18 of 24
"Who's the wigger actor you hire when you can't afford Michael Rappaport?" or something along those lines. I could picture the guy, but had no name. Then days later, I was watching Dark Blue and there he was. And I did nothing with my newfound information.
post #19 of 24
Sounds like him. While I wouldn't say anything in that description is wrong, but it sells short his capabilities. He's quite good in Romeo + Juliet and Thin Red Line.
post #20 of 24
Russel nearly saves the movie he's so good, but the direction is terrible. Someone should make sure Ron Shelton never directs again.
post #21 of 24
Well, if he makes something as fantastic as WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP then I hope he does.
post #22 of 24
The film is a classic case of "Great performance, mediocre film".

I've found myself watching the film a few times whenever it's on just for Russell's work, but then I finish it wholly unsatisfied.
post #23 of 24
I only saw this movie once when it first came out so details of it are a bit hazy...

But Kurt Russell was galvanizing, that I remember. It was interesting to me that the script was from David Ayer and was rehashing Training Day so fully... Or maybe it's the other way around. If I recall, this movie was produced before Training Day. As in: Training Day was actually the more action-packed version of Dark Blue.

Later, seeing that he did a polish on SWAT and then wrote Street Kings and even did Harsh Times... It dawned on me that he basically just writes the same script over and over again.

Consequently, if I see "written by David Ayer" on the tech specs, I kind of just shrug or groan, depending on my mood. I'm surprised he didn't also write Pride and Glory. (or did he?) Maybe he did an uncredited polish.
post #24 of 24
You know what's killing this movie? The fucking music. Shit's scored like Beverly Hills Cop. Shelton uses some Axel F-sounding shit for the liquor store MASSACRE. And it doesn't ever improve.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Films in Release or On Video