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post #1 of 41
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Tom Sizemore has been one of my most favorite actors for as long as I've been into movies. I am the author of his IMDB bio, and have seen him in dozens of films big and small. I think he has the potential to be one of the best character actors out there, he's immensely talented with a ton of potential.

And unfortunately, a self-destructive streak about 20 miles wide.

His ludicrous troubles with the law and becoming the stuff of legend, and a look at his upcoming filmography reads like Michael Dudikoff's; not good. Despite his talents, Hollywood I am sure cannot afford to insure him, and probably doesn't want to put up with his antics anyway. For the uninformed, Sizemore was a heroin addict back in the early to mid 90s, despite some stellar work. Robert Deniro, a friend from "Guilty by Suspicion" and "Heat"m showed up at his doorstep with Sizemore's mother and demanded he get sober. He did, as it was also a condition to star in "Saving Private Ryan", and did some of the best work of his career. Until 2002 when he went to shit. His former girlfriend Heidi Flass the madam, charge him with beating her, terrorizing her, and all sorts of other charming behavior. Another woman charged the same. He was apparently back into drugs, as he has been failing tests for years it seems, and is narrowly avoiding jail time though he seems bound and determined to go there. He broke down on Primetime, and is generally acting like a psycho.

And let's not forget my favorite. Sizemore failed one of his drug tests when they discovered he was using a prosthetic penis. Now that's the kind of bad boy Hollywood shit I like!

Unfortunately, I fear his best is behind him, which is a shame. "Heat" and "Saving Private Ryan" will probably be his most famous films in his obituary, but he was equally awesome in "Black Hawk Down" and "Bringing Out the Dead". He did smaller films too, like "Devil in a Blue Dress", "True Romance", "Natural Born Killers", and did a killer Gotti performance in "Witness to the Mob". And let's not forget "Paparazzi", containing some of Tom's most infamously insane dialogue ever.

Tom, if you're out there, your fans miss you. We'd like to see you do some good movies again, and for God's sake, show up to court once in a while and check yourself into rehab. You are the leading contender to the hardass throne of oldiers like Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, James Coburn, and the rest. Without you, where have all the badasses gone. I still remember when you leaned over in the cafe in "Heat" and gave that trucker the look of death. You can be that good again.
post #2 of 41
Somehow, I just don't think there's any bouncing back from this:

(GOOD GOD MAN NOT SAFE FOR WORK!)
http://www.newsfilter.org/videos/index.php?id=15030
post #3 of 41
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Oh....my.....God.
post #4 of 41
What the shit is wrong with him?

I can't believe I just saw that. . .
post #5 of 41
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That is one of the oddest, most disturbing, yet hilarious things I have ever seen.

Let's put this in perspective one more time. The man in that video used to star in films directed by Michael Mann, Martin Scorsese, Oliver Stone, Steven Spielberg, and Ridley Scott.
post #6 of 41
He's one of my favorites as well, he's sort of a high strung Michael Madsen. I first started to notice him in fun but not really challenging movies like HARLEY DAVIDSON AND THE MARLBORO MAN and PASSENGER 57. TRUE ROMANCE was the first movie where he really impressed me, I love when he's listening in on Slater and Bronson Pinchot in the elevator. HEAT was where it all came together for the guy, there's just something really likeable about him in that movie even though he's the kind of man who will take a small child hostage.

It really is a shame that he could go from SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and BLACK HAWK DOWN to having a sex tape. He is in rehab, he called Howard Stern from there a few weeks ago and said he doesn't know when he'll be aloud to leave.

He's probably in for some lean years, but I think in time he'll pull a Mickey Rourke and start to get some small roles here and there and slowly set himself up for a comeback. At least that's what I hope.
post #7 of 41
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Yeah, I've been hoping for that for a while too. I'm sort of surprised he hasn't turned up in one of Tarantino's films yet, but maybe that's okay, because if anyone can give him a kickass comeback, it's QT.

I liked his Bat Masterson in "Wyatt Earp" too. And his Earl was about the only enjoyable part of "Pearl Harbor".
post #8 of 41
I was fortunate enough to read about his "sexual" excapades last week at this link and IT IS HILARIOUS.

He is one of the most astounding self-destructive, sexual deviants that I have ever seen, and I applaud him for it. When he implodes, he doesn't half-ass it, that's for sure.

LATER
post #9 of 41
Behold the true face of horror! The O-Face!



By the way, Sizemore may be making one final great leap into the abyss: he's reportedly gonna appear in a reality-TV show documenting his recent exploits. The title: SUPER SIZEMORE.

Oh, Tom.
post #10 of 41
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I was so hoping someone would post that video for all to see. I heard about the reality show too, which sadly, I would probably watch out of morbid curiosity.

The sad thing to me is that our whole perception of him is shifting. It used to be "damn, Tom Sizemore's on drugs and isn't in any good movies anymore", and now its "look at how absolutely batshit insane and stupid Tom Sizemore is". It gets harder to remember that he can actually be a great actor, which is a shame.

I liked him in "The Relic" too.
post #11 of 41
It's amazing to think that an actor who has worked with Oliver Stone, Michael Mann, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scosese, and Ridley Scott within the past 11 years would be in Sizemore's position.
post #12 of 41
It's been a pretty rapid decline, hasn't it, Stew? I mean, it seems like just yesterday he had a couple of juicy supporting roles in PEARL HARBOR and BLACK HAWK DOWN, not to mention the lead in Michael Mann's ROBBERY HOMICIDE DIVISION TV series...and now all this.

I thought he wasn't bad in THE RELIC either, to be honest. But he'll always be Jack Scagnetti to me.
post #13 of 41
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Exactly guys. I mean, he's worked with the very very best, and now look at him. Look at his filmography. It's depressing to see what he has coming out.

"Robbery Homicide Division" is when it all started, and I hate that. I loved that show, it was so good. Smart, beautifully shot, a cast of Mann regulars, and a much more real, unsentimental take on the network cop drama than the "Law and Order" shows. Definitely more akin to "The Wire" and what not. I was so pissed when that show got cancelled, largely because Sizemore went to jail.

It really has been a rapid decline. I'd like to think that in a few years he could be back on his feet though.
post #14 of 41
Can't add much to what's been said already, except another terrific Sizemore performance is in the HBO flick Witness Protection. And I feel for the guy. I'm pulling for him, but he's in a tough spot.
post #15 of 41
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I almost mentioned "Witness Protection" too. A very gopd performance. And I really enjoyed his scenery chewing mob boss in "Enemy of the State" too. I sort of enjoyed "Hustle" about Pete Rose, but the film was just so one-sided in its depiction of Rose as the villain that Sizemore didn't have a ton to work with. I actually think he was the perfect actor to cast, but it turned into a missed opportunity. Still, it's the last good work he's done.
post #16 of 41
Seriously, has any other actor worked with those 5 guys? Ever?

My advice to Sizemore would be to get clean and get a role on a good established TV series. Sort of like Joe Pantoliano on "The Sopranos" and Anthony Anderson on "The Shield."

Biggest Sizemore disappointment: TICKER, leave it to Albert Pyun to screw up a film with Sizemore, Dennis Hopper, and a not yet fat Seagal.
post #17 of 41
It's really sad what has happened to Sizemore.
And I am afraid you can't come back from sex tapes and reality show about how fucked up on drugs you are.
post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Seriously, has any other actor worked with those 5 guys? Ever?

My advice to Sizemore would be to get clean and get a role on a good established TV series. Sort of like Joe Pantoliano on "The Sopranos" and Anthony Anderson on "The Shield."

Biggest Sizemore disappointment: TICKER, leave it to Albert Pyun to screw up a film with Sizemore, Dennis Hopper, and a not yet fat Seagal.
Oh man, "Ticker" is like the only movie in years I ever turned off halfway through. It was so godawful, and it was actually during his good period. I was stunned. A major disappointment. Nas's acting still gives me nightmares. Mos Def he is not. He's nowhere even near Snoop Dogg.

But you are right on the career advice. HBO is where he needs to go when, or if, he gets clean. A supporting turn on something like "The Wire" or "Deadwood", or maybe even a show of his own. That would be a good way to patch his reputation. But really, you hir it on the head. He has a resume including the very best directors of the last few decades. Now look at him.
post #19 of 41
The guy needs to into rehab and get clean first of all. Without that everything else is going to be futile.
What is sad is I am betting that Speilberg, Stone,and Scorsese and lot of othe people he has worked with have all talked with Sizemore and urged him to get his act together, and it seems to have no good.
post #20 of 41
That's true, if Robert DeNiro can't convince you to get clean you're really in bad shape.

I almost forgot about that Pete Rose movie. That thing was good for all the wrong reasons. I admire Sizemore for going all the way with the haircut.

Did anybody see him as John Gotti in WITNESS TO THE MOB? He was good in it, but the mini-series as a whole was weak because they tried to make Sammy "The Bull" into a tragic figure.
post #21 of 41
The last thing I saw Sizemore in was Big Trouble. An apt title it would seem judging by his actions since then.

What a fuck up of gigantic proportions. I'm a fan of his work but I find it hard to get too teary eyed for a guy so happy to piss away his career, dignity, etc.
post #22 of 41
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Yeah, the Pete Rose wig was amazingly terrible. Thing is, when he got the spikey, "I'm going to jail" haircut Rose had in the late 80s early 90s, Sizemore looked dead on. The more I think about it, the more perfect I think he was for that part given both he and Rose's almost Shakespearean drive self-destruction.

I saw "Witness to the Mob". It was actually very good, except for the reasons you mentioned. I think that tilt to the material became even worse when you had Sizemore, at the peak of his game, playing a very charismatic and watchable John Gotti to freaking Nicolas Turturro, one of the lamest, charisme-less guys of all time, as Sammy the Bull.
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Biggest Sizemore disappointment: TICKER, leave it to Albert Pyun to screw up a film with Sizemore, Dennis Hopper, and a not yet fat Seagal.
This kinda struck me as the beginning of Tom's downward spiral. You have to be fucking Kevlar-coated to bounce back from appearing in an Albert Pyun movie - look how long it's taken Rutger Hauer to regain his credibility.

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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
My advice to Sizemore would be to get clean and get a role on a good established TV series. Sort of like Joe Pantoliano on "The Sopranos" and Anthony Anderson on "The Shield."
Dead on, Moltisanti. Sizemore needs to find himself a Vic Mackey kind of role.
post #24 of 41
The only well known actor in the past few years who has been a self destructive as Sizemore was Robert Downey Jr. They both actually beleived that because they were well known actors they could get away with bascially telling a judge to go fuck himself...an act of stupidity if ever there was one.
post #25 of 41
I haven't watched those videos yet, does anyone know if Bobby D shows up at any point to try and talk him into getting his life back together?
post #26 of 41
I don't think Robert Downey Jr. ever came anywhere close to Sizemore's league.
post #27 of 41
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From the review I read, no, Bobby D does not show up. But apparently there is a ton of Tom giving rim jobs to hookers, him rolling around on the floor like a baby, lots of drug-fueled ramblings, and one of the most hilarious and disturbing O-faces I think the world could ever hope to see.

Robert Downey Jr. is a good example. He pretty much screwed himself for a while, but has started to really bounce back over the last few years. Thing is, he did it almost entirely on the fact that he's a great actor, nothing more. Sizemore has the talent, which sets him apart from other disastrous falling stars. So if he gets clean, he's good enough to warrant a comeback.
post #28 of 41
I'm not saying it's a bigger act of self destruction than what Sizemore is pulling but Mickey Rourke's boxing career still ranks up there among all-time "WTF" actor decisions.

As funny as the shots from Sizemore's sex tape are I still think this gets a bigger laugh out of me:



I had no idea that Peter Bogdonovich directed that movie. I don't know why but that makes the film funnier.

My dream Sizemore comeback project would be for him and Ray Liotta to team up and reprise their voice acting roles in a "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" live action film.
post #29 of 41
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Originally Posted by Hewlett
I don't think Robert Downey Jr. ever came anywhere close to Sizemore's league.

No, but Dennis Hopper in the late 1960's and early seventies did. With the exception of the sex tapes, the stuff I've heard and read about Hopper's exploits make Sizemore look like a piker. By the late 70's Hopper's rep was (deservedly) so bad that not even exploitation film makers would work with him. He was basically unemployable for over a decade. Even Fonda and Nicholson coudn't get him work.

It wasn't until Lynch took a chance on him in Blue Velvet that younger directors who didn't know about his rep (or admired him so much they didn't care) started hiring him. Then his career took off again like a rocket.

I think that's what'll probably happen to Sizemore. He'll become a Hollywood pariah, hit bottom, and then disappear for a decade. Then some new director with a Tarantino/Lynchian vision and quirky style will cast him in small but breakthrough roll in an independent film. Then a new generation will rediscover his past body of work.

Unless Sizemore pulls a Jan Michael Vincent...
post #30 of 41
What a shame. This seriously bums me out to no end. He's one of my favorites too and to see him reduced to this... Just Goddamnit.
post #31 of 41
It's really tragic, as I usually do look forward to seeing Sizemore in roles. Even knowing that he's probably a disgusting slimebag in real life, he's always worth watching, although lately, in the last few performances he's had, he did seem to be mailing it in (even the Pete Rose film, which should have been his showcase).
post #32 of 41
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"Black Hawk Down" was his last truly great performance. I become more and more fond of his turn in "Bringing Out the Dead" with each viewing too. When talking about his ambulance.

"I have tried to kill her, but she will not die. I respect that."

I always liked how he had sort of slipped into that over-the-top hardass soldier character type, just for a new generation of war films. I mean, he was that guy for a while. I can tell you from experience, Sizemore is like the favorite of Army guys after "Saving Private Ryan" and "Black Hawk Down". He does some crazy stuff, and makes it feel real and believable. I love when he gets shot in the ass in SPR and just throws his helmet at the guy screaming "Motherfucker!". I've now met guys like that. And "Black Hawk Down" too.

"Colonel they're shooting at us!"
"Well shoot back!"

"But Colonel I'm shot!"
"We're all shot!"

There's not many actors who could believably stride through that battlefield standing tall while everyone else ducks behind cover. Sizemore made that seem possible. I miss the guy.
post #33 of 41
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Okay, an update on the man's status.

A few months ago I tuned in to his hour-long confessional on that Donny Deutch show on CNBC. It was actually very good. He was humbled, took full responsibility for everything, and was immensely forthcoming on all his fuck-ups. He pretty much laid it out, and cried when talking about how far he'd fallen and how painful it is to see clips from stuff like "Heat" (cited as his favorite, which pleased me) and see where he is now.

At that time he had been clean for a couple months and was in a rigorous rehab program, and honestly, he seemed much better. His upcoming filmography is starting to look a wee bit more respectable, though still a far cry from where he was. Like decent DTV instead of godawful DTV. But then there's this today, from IMDB:

Sizemore Gets Own Reality Show


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Originally Posted by IMDB
Troubled Black Hawk Down star Tom Sizemore will star in his own reality show on VH1. The actor will attempt to repair his damaged reputation after several years of bad publicity that has been well documented in the tabloids.

Sizemore has had a long battle with drug addiction and was convicted in 2003 of assault and battery against his former girlfriend, ex-Hollywood madam Heidi Fleiss. He was sentenced to 17 months in jail and four months in a drug treatment facility after repeatedly failing drug test last year and was caught using a prosthetic penis sewn into his boxer shorts and filled with a clean urine sample kept warm by a heating pack to fake the results of his drug tests. Also last year, approximately eight hours of celebrity sex tapes were released on the internet starring Sizemore.

VH1 senior vice president of series production Jeff Olde says, "You literally watch a man come unglued and unravelled from his own point of view. He lays it all out there." The series will follow the now-sober actor as he embarks on acting jobs, including a movie for the BBC being filmed in Canada. Sizemore will narrate the show, which will also include flashbacks to his battles with drugs and sexual addiction using video footage he shot on his own.
At least it looks to be more of a mea culpa and a serious show, not the sort of Gary Busey crazy fest that I think they were originally batting around. Let's hope that a sane, hard-working image helps get him back in the good graces of Hollywood.
post #34 of 41
The fact that it’s VH1 tells me that this is not going to be a real serious look at his “recovery.” I have a feeling this could backfire on him in terms of trying to get back into mainstream films. I’d rather he take the Mickey Rourke route (there’s advice you don’t hear much) and keep quiet for a few years. Take bit parts in some large or at least respectable indie films and do a lead in a DTV flick to pay the bills.

That being said I’ll still watch this show and hope it isn’t too much of a train wreck. Though I’d rather he get a Comedy Central roast.
post #35 of 41
Man, I was watching some RHD the other day...He was so great in that. There are so many great episodes (by which I mean the 6 or 7 before the show folded). One had the storyline from which Mann drew Vice - where an undercover Sizemore romances Marie Matiko, who's been ordered to sleep with Sizemore by her incarcerated Asian crime lord hubbie. Really solid stuff. Sizemore was a strong protagonist in the Mann mold, not as emotional as Pacino but few contractions. He and Barry Shabaka Henley had great chemistry.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by Subotai
Man, I was watching some RHD the other day...He was so great in that. There are so many great episodes (by which I mean the 6 or 7 before the show folded). One had the storyline from which Mann drew Vice - where an undercover Sizemore romances Marie Matiko, who's been ordered to sleep with Sizemore by her incarcerated Asian crime lord hubbie. Really solid stuff. Sizemore was a strong protagonist in the Mann mold, not as emotional as Pacino but few contractions. He and Barry Shabaka Henley had great chemistry.
Dude, where are you watching this? I've been looking everywhere for downloads, tapes, something. I loved the show and really wish they'd just give us a bare bones DVD release.
post #37 of 41
I always loved Sizemore's tiny but memorable role in Point Break. He's done a lot of great work over the years and yeah I hope it's even possible for him to put this shit behind him.
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Seriously, has any other actor worked with those 5 guys? Ever?
Well, there's always the Cruiser.
post #38 of 41
So wait, "Shooting Sizemore" has already aired and is over? How did I miss that?
post #39 of 41
Judging by his Larry King appearance he seems to have cleared up his act. I thought his aoplogy to Michael Mann was classy too. Still haven't tracked down RHD.
post #40 of 41
Has anyone seen the film he did with Brian Cox? I believe it was called Red. Any good?

Anyway, he has always been one of my favorites. If RDJ and Mickey Rourke can make a comeback, so can he. The drugs, sextape and Fleiss stuff is rough, but, hey, at least he's not Gibson.
post #41 of 41
I just read that he's doing a guest spot on the new season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Awesome.
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